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| calderhome@yahoo.com 2005-06-05, 5:53 pm |
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The Ridiculous Teachings of Wrong Way Rajneesh
Here is a small representative sample of some of the misstatements,
false claims, and false prophesies of Chandra Mohan Jain, alias
"Acharya Rajneesh," alias "Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh," alias "Osho."
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Rajneesh once claimed to have the power to materialize objects
through will power alone, but chose not to use this power as it
represented a "lower state of consciousness." Rajneesh was a man who
conned his own disciples out of millions of dollars, who owned over 90
Rolls-Royce automobiles, who had sex with hundreds of young women half
his age, and who ended up taking 60 milligrams of Valium a day and
inhaling enough nitrous oxide to inflate a dirigible. If the
exquisitely self-indulgent Rajneesh had the power to materialize gold
and diamonds, you can be sure he would have used it! No human being
can materialize matter out of thin air because of the laws of physics,
i.e., E=MC2. Just one ounce of matter contains the equivalent energy
of over 1,200,000. tons of TNT, which represents the explosive power of
over 60 Hiroshima sized atomic bombs. No individual has that kind of
power! If the the accent Indian claim that materialization is an
attainable mystical power was true, then India would be the richest
country in the world, not one of the poorest.
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Rajneesh once stated that it was possible to push objects around
by sheer will power (psychokinesis), and he published a test in his
Neo-Sannyas magazine of how this ability could be demonstrated.
Rajneesh stated that one should take a cup of water and pour a layer of
oil on top of the water, then place a metal pin on top of the oil, and
the oil would somehow make the metal pin float. The next step was to
concentrate on the pin with your mind and order the pin to move around
the cup like a motorboat. The first obvious problem with this
experiment is that a metal pin will not float on either water or oil,
as metal is heavier than water or oil. The second problem is that
psychokinesis is not possible, at least not with objects as heavy as
metal pins, and Rajneesh himself had never even tried the experiment
himself. This was just another example of Rajneesh carelessly shooting
his mouth off without caring if what he said was true.
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In his great wisdom, Rajneesh once stated that "India does not
need high technology." Today India is a world leader in computer
programing, and high technology is India's biggest money making
industry.
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Rajneesh once stated that all wars would end by the year 2000 as
the world would become so interdependent that wars would be politically
unacceptable and obsolete. I wish George W. Bush, Osama Bin Laden,
and the many nations currently at war felt the same way.
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As stated in Osho, Bhagwan Rajneesh, and the Lost Truth
(http://home.att.net/~meditation/Osho.html ), Rajneesh claimed that the
AIDS epidemic would kill three quarters of the world's population. He
had his disciples spray their hands with alcohol before eating to avoid
AIDS transmission.
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Rajneesh once stated that one could produce a Buddha by having
sexual intercourse with a woman for three hours straight, then nine
months later out pops a Buddha baby due to the long and blissful
copulation. Rajneesh stated this theory at a time when he had little
sexual experience. In addition to the absurdity of his basic premise,
Rajneesh did not understood that if intercourse sessions lasts too long
women tend to lose vaginal lubrication and men are subject to painful
friction blisters.
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Rajneesh bragged on many occasions that he had the power of
astral projection. He stated that if you had a powerfully focus mind,
all you had to do was say "out" and you were out of your body. Astral
projection first came to my attention while reading one of his early
Hindi books that had been translated into English. Rajneesh spoke of
his first out-of-body experience as a young man while meditating in a
tree. He said he looked down and saw his own body lying on the ground
near the base of the tree while his soul remained sitting in the tree,
still meditating. Can a bodyless soul sit in a tree? Along came an
Indian woman who touched his forehead and that brought his soul back to
his physical body and he opened his eyes.
I think the logical genesis of this story is that he simply fell
out of a tree and knocked himself unconscious. When people are knocked
out, they often have an ultra-vivid, light filled dreams. Rajneesh
must have dreamed that he was still meditating in the tree while in a
semi-conscious dream state and then woke up when the woman touched his
forehead. The problem with true astral projection as an explanation is
that we know consciousness requires chemicals and sufficient blood
pressure to exist. Rajneesh himself often lost consciousness in the
last months of his life due to insufficient standing blood pressure.
This shows that even his extra-large consciousness was dependent on the
glucose and oxygen carried by his own bloodstream. Rajneesh took many
sleeping pills during his lifetime, which indicates that his
consciousness was fully dependent on chemistry and could be altered and
reduced by ingesting chemicals. Thus, Rajneesh's consciousness was a
physical entity that could not fly through empty space without a need
for chemical reactions and the brain's own neural-cellular structure.
If human beings actually had separable souls with separable
consciousness, ask yourself why would humans need a brain? If your
soul can see, think, and move about at will, then why would you even
need a body? What would power an astrally projecting soul on its
journey through space,...an astral propeller? How can a soul see
without eyes, hear without ears, or navigate through space without a
map? What if a astrally projecting soul gets lost? How would it find
it's way back to its host body? The myth of a silver cord connecting
soul to body, reeling in and out like a fishing line, is so fanciful
that I won't even bother stating its obvious flaws. I believe Rajneesh
felt he had to lie about astral projection in order to convince the
world that he had transcended his body and was not governed by the laws
of physics and the biological laws of life and death. For more
discussion on the subject of soul see Do you have a soul? at:
http://home.att.net/~meditation/soul.html
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Rajneesh's lifelong teaching was that people have souls which
reincarnate form one lifetime to the next. He claimed to remember all
his past lives and that he was a great guru in previous lives and was
once the Dalai Lama. In his last drug dazed years, he suddenly and
briefly reversed himself and stated that there was no reincarnation and
that the very idea of reincarnation was a "misinterpretation" of other
phenomena. I think his drug taking experience made him realize that
all he was was a human brain, as hallucinogenic drugs such as nitrous
oxide and LSD clearly reveal the neural-cellular nature of
consciousness. Rajneesh thus briefly admitted in essence that his
entire life teaching was false, based on myths and lies, and that he
had shot his mouth off for decades with no first hand experience of
souls, reincarnation, ghosts, or "bodyless masters,"... all the
attention grabbing gimmicks of his fairy tale teachings. His words
were just a regurgitation of ancient myths, the books he had read, and
his own vivid fantasy. Rajneesh wanted to be known as "the greatest
incarnation since Buddha," and he was willing to lie day after day and
year after year to gain that reputation.
Rajneesh had a problem with keeping his lies and fantasies
straight. In his early years he taught that souls evolved upward and
downward, and that if you did not meditate your soul would evolve
downward as your spiritual condition degraded. In later years he
declared that souls only evolved upward because "how can you forget
what you have learned." If you know something as fact you can state it
clearly and consistently. For example, you know where your house is
and you can describe to anyone its location and how to get there. If
you don't own a house, and are lying about owning a home, then you can
make up directions to a house that does not exist and change those
directions as the mood strikes you. As a con man, you can even sell
people houses that don't exist. That was Rajneesh in a nut shell!
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Clearly, Rajneesh's own words and life history prove that he had
no great wisdom or intelligence and was subnormal in his understanding
of science, mathematics, ethics, simple logic and common sense. What
Rajneesh did have was a tremendous energy of presence and the gift of
hypnotic oratory. He fooled himself into equating his own raw
consciousness with intelligence and wisdom. Intelligence and
consciousness are not the same thing, and those with the most
consciousness are not necessarily the most honest and wise. Ask
yourself the question, why should superconsciousness be in any way
related to intelligence or wisdom? If you go deeply into that question
you will find that the answer is that there is no direct relationship
at all. Even common street drugs like LSD can induce a kind of
distorted state of superconsciousness, and hallucinogenic drug users
are not known for great wisdom, balance, or virtue.
Rajneesh's vast consciousness was the result of the unique
structure of his unusually large brain, which was created through DNA,
not through soul. If you look at his photos you can easily see how
incredibly big his skull was in proportion to the rest of his body.
That skull had to be filled with an extra large brain, not thin air,
and ancient paintings of the enlightened heros of Buddhism and Taoism
are often depicted with extra large skulls and enormous piercing eyes.
Rajneesh, Ramana Maharshi, J. Krishnamurti, and many other sages became
fully enlightened around age 21, just when their brains and central
nervous system became fully developed. The great spiritual teachers
were destined to become enlightened due to their rare DNA, not because
of any great effort at meditation.
If you can comprehend that consciousness is a physical attribute
that is the result of the formation of complex patterns of brain cells,
then you can understand that "enlightenment" is a mathematically
predictable probability. For example, there are extraordinarily tall
people and extraordinarily short people, geniuses and fools. There are
people with unusually accurate eyesight and super-sensitive hearing,
and there are people who are deaf and blind. The vast majority of
humans need anywhere from 5 to 10 hours of sleep at night to survive
healthfully, but a tiny percentage of humans have just the right
genetic code that allows them to live healthfully without any sleep at
all. They stay up all night long, awake and alert, every night of
their lives and they feel fine and are physically healthy. Human
beings are subject to a wide range of genetic expression and
capabilities. Consciousness is a brain function, not a soul function,
and thus the mathematics of the grand genetics crap shoot demands that
a tiny percentage of the population will have just the right DNA code
structure to produce a continuous state of superconsciousness. All
human beings are capable of superconsciousness given the right
conditions, so the fact that some humans are born destined to live
continuously in that mental state should not be a big surprise.
Meditation techniques do work, and with effort an average
individual can push themselves ahead in consciousness to the equivalent
of 10%, 20%, or even 30% of a fully enlightened state. Consciousness
comes in degrees of intensity and fullness, and it is far better to be
30% enlightened than not enlightened at all. Tibetan Buddhists take
four and five year old boys and stick them in monasteries in order to
grow their brains to become enlightened monks, like so many hot house
tomatoes. This strategy works to some degree due to the neuroplastic
nature of the brain. If you start early enough, while the central
nervous system is still forming, you can grow the brain to function in
a way that is conducive to meditation, but not much else. There is a
trade-off in loss of practical brain function when you devote your
entire life to the vegetative state of meditation. Meditation itself
is a passive and vegetative flowering of brain function, thus no
society can afford to have more than a small percentage of their young
men turned into celibate monks. This was part of the reason the
Chinese had such an easy time when they leisurely waltzed into Tibet in
1950. Tibetans had dedicated too much of their cultural energy to
their religion to survive in a hostile world.
Our brains change and adapt with our behavior. If you meditate
day after day, year after year, your meditation becomes easier and more
powerful as your brain structure changes itself to accommodate your
lifestyle. This is what is meant by the term "neuroplasticity." Tibet
has produced many semi-Buddhas through the wholesale grooming of
children to become Buddhist monks, but India has always been the
powerhouse at producing full Buddhas, not just half Buddhas or
near-Buddhas. Indian sages are almost always lone individuals who are
born destined to become enlightened. They are not a part of an army of
monks, and they usually become enlightened completely alone. Their
enlightenment does not come from virtue or past life experience, but
from the Indian brain structure which is the most suited to the
superconscious state. History shows that the genetic oddity of
enlightenment is most prevalent in India males, and this is a mystery
scientists should explore in detail. Tibetans, Chinese, and Japanese
monks have practiced meditation for centuries, but on average they have
had to work twice as hard to achieve half the results. In the West,
aside from George Gurdjieff, enlightenment is almost in total absence.
To date the West has produced many great scientists, philosophers, and
scholars, but very few living Buddhas.
The great myths of spirituality may vanish in the coming
centuries as the fascinating new science of what I call BRAIN ELECTRICS
is born. The human brain is an organic electrochemical computer that
is capable of displaying the most incredible light show, which we call
superconsciousness. The brain can also be studied, mapped, and
understood. The realms of the occult and mysticism are a
misinterpretation of brain phenomena that all humans experience to one
degree or another at different times in our lives, either spontaneously
through religious practice, or through the use of psychoactive drugs.
It's all in the brain, and none of us know any world outside the human
brain, because that is what we are.
Christopher Calder
http://home.att.net/~meditation/ - homepage
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| Being neither a defender nor a denier of Rajneesh's claims, I can't get
very worked up about your post one way or the other. I'll leave it to
others to comment on the parts that I didn't read (most of it). I did
notice a few errors in the first few paragraphs, though. Psychokinesis,
for example, appears to be pretty well documented, in spite of your
claim that it is impossible. Also, it IS possible to float something
heavier than water on the surface of water. It's a trick I learned as a
seven year old. Just take, for example, a small needle and float it on a
scrap of paper on the surface of a bowl of water. Eventually the paper
will become saturated and will fall to the bottom, leaving the needle on
the surface. I don't know whether this works because of surface tension
or what, but it works.
On the basis of this small sample, I suspect that a lot of the other
claims you've made could also be easily refuted. Is it possible that the
life Rajneesh had makes you jealous? Or does it strike some other kind
of nerve with you?
--Don
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yogabare
--
Every state in history has unfortunately been used either as an
oppressor of its own people, or of other people, or of both.
Unfortunately, every church in history has also been used either as an
oppressor of its own adherents, or of adherents of other religions, or
of both. Putting church and state together would only create a single,
larger, and even more powerful oppressor. Who would want that? Think
about it.
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| omjaram 2005-06-05, 10:52 pm |
| That's the problem with any point of view that deals in, right and
wrong, good and bad, black and white; it misses the value of what is.
That is one of the most important lessons I took from Rejneesh. Chris
is "right", so is Rejnessh; so is everything that exists and so is
everything that doesn't (imagination)...
Namaste
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| calderhome@yahoo.com 2005-06-06, 8:56 am |
| There is no documented evidence at all that psychokinesis exists.
Those who have claimed to have that power have been proven to be
frauds, some by the Amazing Randi.
I have not tried the paper-pin trick. Even if it is true, it is
irrelevant to the Rajneesh situation as that was not part of his
fantasy experiment.
Christopher Calder
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| "calderhome@yahoo.com" wrote:
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> There is no documented evidence at all that psychokinesis exists.
> Those who have claimed to have that power have been proven to be
> frauds, some by the Amazing Randi.
>
> I have not tried the paper-pin trick. Even if it is true, it is
> irrelevant to the Rajneesh situation as that was not part of his
> fantasy experiment.
>
> Christopher Calder
Cosė č se vi pare.
--Don
--
Every state in history has unfortunately been used either as an
oppressor of its own people, or of other people, or of both.
Unfortunately, every church in history has also been used either as an
oppressor of its own adherents, or of adherents of other religions, or
of both. Putting church and state together would only create a single,
larger, and even more powerful oppressor. Who would want that? Think
about it.
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| calderhome@yahoo.com 2005-06-06, 5:54 pm |
| If you go to a store and hand the clerk $50. for a $10. purchase and
the clerk hands you back only $4.00 in change, is he right?
Christopher Calder
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| calderhome@yahoo.com wrote:
> If you go to a store and hand the clerk $50. for a $10. purchase and
> the clerk hands you back only $4.00 in change, is he right?
>
> Christopher Calder
>
If he also is sitting there with a hand on a sawed off shotgun and a
sick grin on his face, you better believe he's right.
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| omjaram 2005-06-06, 10:53 pm |
| As Homer Simpson might say, "that was intelligent and funny" :-)
I wish I could describe to the religious and materialist both, why I
think your comment was transcendent. Alas, that's the problem with
transcendence (and God) it requires knowing/understanding, which is
beyond conveyance.
Namaste
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| omjaram 2005-06-06, 10:53 pm |
| CC,
Have you ever been in a situation where you were %100 correct, but oh
so wrong. I have. In fact I would say the lion's share of my life has
been spent this way.
I can connect with your anguish over soul vs. fact. I don't think it
would be helpful for me to argue these with you. This is a personal
quest we all must take.
I will guarantee you this though; if you take either argument to its
end you will find God. I would just admonish you not to think you know
anything until you know there is God. Then all the pieces fall together
like so many dominos and where you once saw separation you will see
only unity. What once seemed important will become meaningless and what
was once meaningless will become all there is that matters. All the
religion and all the science will all make perfect sense. You will know
all there is know and all else will simply become details.
Keep in mind Woody's Law: Not all that is true is fact and not all
that is fact is true.
Jared
Namaste
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| calderhome@yahoo.com 2005-06-07, 8:55 am |
| Sorry Jared, I have never believed in any God and never will.
see: http://home.att.net/~meditation/soul.html
I don't anguish about there being no soul. I find the topic of the
myths of souls interesting, much more so than the myths of God.
Christopher Calder
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| howdydave 2005-06-07, 8:55 am |
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re: all wars will end by 2000
Ever read the book:
The World Is Flat
A Brief History of the Twenty-First Century
By: Thomas L. Friedman?
(Pub: Farrar, Straus and Giroux 2005
ISBN: 0-374-29288-4)
IMO: This is a MUST READ book!
Maybe Rajneesh was only off by a decade or so.
--
howdydave
This message originated from http://www.yoga-meditation.org
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| calderhome@yahoo.com 2005-06-07, 5:55 pm |
| Don,
Just because you post something in Italian does not make it an
intelligent comment. Obviously
if you change the terms of an experiment you can get different results.
For example, you can lower the temperature and freeze the water into
ice and then "float" the metal pin on the ice. Intelligence is the
ability to ascertain the essential, and the essential problem with
Rajneesh's experiment was that he never tried it himself, was incapable
of moving objects through will power anyway, and was just shooting off
his mouth as usual.
"Therefore it is if it seems to you."
see: http://home.att.net/~meditation/wrong-way.html
"Rajneesh once stated that it was possible to push objects around by
will power (psychokinesis), and he published an article in his
Neo-Sannyas magazine on how this ability could be demonstrated.
Rajneesh stated that one should take a cup of water and pour a layer of
oil on top of the water, then place a metal pin on top of the oil, and
the oil would somehow make the metal pin float. The next step was to
concentrate on the pin with your mind and order the pin to move around
the cup like a motorboat. The first obvious problem with this
experiment is that a metal pin will not float on either water or oil,
as metal is heavier than water or oil. The second problem is that
psychokinesis is not possible, at least not with objects as heavy as
metal pins, and Rajneesh himself had never even tried the experiment
himself. This was just another example of Rajneesh carelessly shooting
off his mouth without caring if what he was saying was actually true."
Christopher Calder
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| Christopher,
A better translation would be "that's the way it is if you think so," or
"that's the way it is if it seems so to you." It's a quotation (the
title of a play by Luigi Pirandello). It was only my way of saying that
I was not really interested in getting into it with you. I am in no way
invested in Rajneesh. I must say, though, that if you give much credence
to the claims of "The Amazing Randi," who has himself repeatedly been
shown to be a fraud, you are as gullible as anyone in this newsgroup.
--Don
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yogabare
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<calderhome@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118167991.239215.107650@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
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> "Rajneesh once stated that it was possible to push objects around by
> will power (psychokinesis), and he published an article in his
> Neo-Sannyas magazine on how this ability could be demonstrated.
> Rajneesh stated that one should take a cup of water and pour a layer of
> oil on top of the water, then place a metal pin on top of the oil, and
> the oil would somehow make the metal pin float. The next step was to
> concentrate on the pin with your mind and order the pin to move around
> the cup like a motorboat. The first obvious problem with this
> experiment is that a metal pin will not float on either water or oil,
you've obviously never studied surface tension.
> as metal is heavier than water or oil. The second problem is that
> psychokinesis is not possible, at least not with objects as heavy as
that's what is under investigation. you are reaching conclusions about
an experiment before it has been carried out.
not very "scientific".
> metal pins, and Rajneesh himself had never even tried the experiment
> himself. This was just another example of Rajneesh carelessly shooting
> off his mouth without caring if what he was saying was actually true."
>
dear chris, it is not he who has the attitude problem here (although he
may have had when he was alive).
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| calderhome@yahoo.com 2005-06-07, 10:53 pm |
| Like hell you nut! I tried that experiment way back in 1971 because I
did not believe it when I read it, and the pin sank! Rajneesh did not
know surface tension from a pizza and he was just talking trash. You
are really a serious fool if you think surface tension has anything at
all to do with this discussion.
Get your IQ tested and soon!
Christopher Calder
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| calderhome@yahoo.com wrote:
> Like hell you nut! I tried that experiment way back in 1971 because I
> did not believe it when I read it, and the pin sank! Rajneesh did not
> know surface tension from a pizza and he was just talking trash. You
> are really a serious fool if you think surface tension has anything at
> all to do with this discussion.
> Get your IQ tested and soon!
>
> Christopher Calder
>
ah yes, the resort to personal insults. says a lot, indeed.
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| Peter Gorman 2005-06-08, 8:54 am |
| Floating a fine needle on top of the surface of a glass of water is
perfectly possible.Surface tension allows this to happen , (a common
childhood/magic trick ) put a drop of soap in the water however and it sinks
like a stone.
Because the tension is broken.
>
>
> ah yes, the resort to personal insults. says a lot, indeed.
>
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| calderhome@yahoo.com 2005-06-08, 11:52 am |
| Its like trying to teach a bunch of monkeys to play chopsticks on a
piano. It's not theoretically impossible, but it is practically
impossible.
Christopher Calder
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| calderhome@yahoo.com 2005-06-08, 11:52 am |
| You nuts can go on discussing surface tension for decades, but I am
bailing out of this zoo. The topic of the post was Rajneesh and the
fact that he lied his way to becoming one of the richest gurus of the
20th century. Missing the point seems to be an art on this newsgroup.
see:
http://home.att.net/~meditation/wrong-way.html
Christopher Calder
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| we used to do this trick as 8 year olds years before we heard of surface
tension. whether you know of surface tension or not does not change the fact
that it can be done. now you make definite assertions it cannot be done.
that means you don't know about surface tension.
now do the experiments i used to do as an 8 year old (which was around 1977,
the time rajneesh was at his glory).
take a cup of water.
take a pin.
take a blotting paper. high absorbency newspaper will do.
put the pin on the paper.
carefully put the paper with the pin on top, on the water.
the paper will absorb the water and sink. the pin will usually float.
BTW, this is not about the pin, the surface tension or about rajneesh. it is
about you. all your posts are about you. you pretend to be the arbiter of
truth. you just drop links to your web page as if it was the US
constitution. grow up man. learn to let go of the past. you went to these
jokers out of your own free will. your definition of enlightenment is wrong.
just feeling bodilessness, kundalini etc is not it. it is an understanding,
the love which arises uncaused in the heart, not a state of the nervous
system which is genetically acquired.
no one anywhere knows the "TRUTH". that is another dog chasing its tail.
there is no truth apart from this existence. this is it.
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| calderhome@yahoo.com 2005-06-10, 5:58 pm |
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Anon,
You seem to be going for the Nobel Prize in stupidity. Nowhere did I
say that it was impossible to float a pin on water in all possible
conditions, only the conditions of Rajneesh's flawed test. There was
no blotting paper in his test. You ignore all the other points of my
essay, including all the corruption, stealing, and misrepresentations,
and you are fixated with "surface tension," as if that made a
difference to anyone. You need to take a good look at yourself and
consider how your brain priorities information. The top priority
should be truthfulness, not loyalty to some dead guru. Rajneesh is
dead and gone and there is nothing left of him. I am not fighting
Rajneesh, I am fighting the myths and lies he left behind, which are
still misguiding people. That is the essential which you seem to want
to miss for all eternity.
"The Ridiculous Teachings of Wrong Way Rajneesh" at:
http://home.att.net/~meditation/wrong-way.html
Christopher Calder
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anon wrote:
> we used to do this trick as 8 year olds years before we heard of surface
> tension. whether you know of surface tension or not does not change the fact
> that it can be done. now you make definite assertions it cannot be done.
> that means you don't know about surface tension.
>
> now do the experiments i used to do as an 8 year old (which was around 1977,
> the time rajneesh was at his glory).
>
> take a cup of water.
>
> take a pin.
>
> take a blotting paper. high absorbency newspaper will do.
>
> put the pin on the paper.
>
> carefully put the paper with the pin on top, on the water.
>
> the paper will absorb the water and sink. the pin will usually float.
>
> BTW, this is not about the pin, the surface tension or about rajneesh. it is
> about you. all your posts are about you. you pretend to be the arbiter of
> truth. you just drop links to your web page as if it was the US
> constitution. grow up man. learn to let go of the past. you went to these
> jokers out of your own free will. your definition of enlightenment is wrong.
> just feeling bodilessness, kundalini etc is not it. it is an understanding,
> the love which arises uncaused in the heart, not a state of the nervous
> system which is genetically acquired.
>
> no one anywhere knows the "TRUTH". that is another dog chasing its tail.
> there is no truth apart from this existence. this is it.
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> Anon,
>
> You seem to be going for the Nobel Prize in stupidity. Nowhere did I
> say that it was impossible to float a pin on water in all possible
> conditions, only the conditions of Rajneesh's flawed test. There was
> no blotting paper in his test. You ignore all the other points of my
there you go again.
his "test" btw, was not about floating a pin. the floating pin is
a means to something else, the results of which i have not
commented upon. since his main idea not about floating a pin,
he probably glossed over giving exact details of "how-to",
which 8 year olds seem to know.
it is you, signor calder, that was hung up on the non-floatablity
of it on water.
since you made such a big thing of it, i had to call your bluff.
which does not mean i have anything for or against rajneesh.
> I am not fighting
> Rajneesh, I am fighting the myths and lies he left behind, which are
> still misguiding people. That is the essential which you seem to want
> to miss for all eternity.
>
if that was so it would be a good thing. however you are just
a frustrated old dog who could not get his bone.
you make a big deal of nitrous oxide. you should know that
use of hallucinogens etc is common in shamans, and amongst
indian sadhus.
hinduism is descended from shamanic practices, as seen in
the vedas.
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