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| In article <skW7e.6811$lP1.5983@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Tom
<dantoXSPAM@earthlink.net> writes
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>"Shez" <shez@oldcity.f2s.com> wrote in message
>news:$Npj+pAllAYCFwUw@oldcity.f2s.com...
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>That's the verse I thought you meant in the first place, but then you
>started rattling on about the "Suffer the little children" verse, which is
>in an entirely different chapter and has nothing whatever to do with
>"damming" anybody or committing any "unforgiveable" sins.
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>However, there is also nothing in this verse about "damming" anyone or that
>hurting a child is unforgiveable either.
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>It seems your translation of the Mark 9:42 verse is a bit oversimplified.
>Jesus was referring to Christian children in particular and to a particular
>kind of hurt.
Jesus was referring to children, in the Christian religion committing
suicide is a sin and you would be dammed for it, if you threw yourself
into an ocean with a milestone around your neck you would be committing
suicide... if that is not damming yourself I don't know what is.
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>Mark uses a Greek term meaning "to stumble", and he uses the same term in
>several subsequent verses, where he deals with leaving the path of Christian
>salvation. This inclines most scholars to translate it as meaning a falling
>away from the beliefs and practices of Christianity, not any form of
>physical or emotional hurt.
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>From the King James version:
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>"And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it
>is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were
>cast into the sea."
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>From the English Standard version:
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>"Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would
>be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were
>thrown into the sea."
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>From the American Standard version:
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>"And whosoever shall cause one of these little ones that believe on me to
>stumble, it were better for him if a great millstone were hanged about his
>neck, and he were cast into the sea."
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>And the Darby version:
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>"And whosoever shall be a snare to one of the little ones who believe [in
>me], it were better for him if a millstone were hung about his neck, and he
>cast into the sea."
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>Now, I don't blame you for being ignorant of the bible, since you don't know
>doodly squat about its teachings. After all, you're a pagan who mostly
>despises anything to do with Christianity, so nobody really expects you to
>be conversant with biblical scholarship.
I am a pagan who seems to know your bible better than you do, I have
just spent an hour on the Internet looking into pedophilia and the bible
and that verse is repeated again and again, as an injunction against
pedophilia. It seem the biblical scholars beleive it refers to children.
That you don't is not exactly suprising is it.
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>So, Jesus says
Jesus was a Jew, he was not a Christian... he was a rabbi... I wish some
of you people would get an education on your religion. How can Jesus
have talked about Christianity when it didnt exist until Paul had his
conversion which was many years after Christ's death and after the death
of his followers.
>that it's bad to influence any Christian child against
>Christianity and anyone who does this is going to have a bad time of it,
>when Jesus gets his hands on him. It does not address the issue of physical
>or emotional abuse, does not prescribe any "damming" for it, and it doesn't
>say that such an act as an unforgivable sin. However, if you want to
>advocate life imprisonment for people who persuade children not to be
>Christians, feel free to use this bible verse as your justification.
Your trying to convince yourself that pedophilia is acceptable, and like
all pedophiles you twist words... You cant twist words to mean that
Jesus was talking about Christian children because there were none at
that time. Jesus himself was a Jew, and followed Rabbinical law.
>
>Now, let's deal with your claim that Jesus said that child molesting was an
>unforgiveable sin.
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>Mark 3:28-29
>Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and
>blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme
>But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
>but is in danger of eternal damnation.
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>The same message is repeated in Matthew 12 and Luke 12. It's very clear.
>Only blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin.
Is that what your using to make yourself feel that you will be forgiven
Tom... because its not what you think it is. I suggest you look again.
Luke 12 Everyone who speaks a word against the son of man will be
forgiven But the one who speaks against the holy spirit will not be
forgiven.
Nothing their about sin only blasphemy, don't add words to your bible
to make what you do acceptable. Its not acceptable. Its a blasphemy. Go
hang a milestone around your neck and jump into the ocean. Its better to
commit suicide a deadly sin according to the church and the bible, than
to harm a child... You cant twist it around to suit you Tom. Your the
believer I am not,
>So, what about the argument that child molesting might somehow be
>interpreted as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? Does Jesus say anything
>that might give us a clue about what he meant by it? It's simple. All we
>have to do is read Mark 3 and see the verse in the context of the narrative.
>
>In Mark 3, Jesus drops in on a synagogue and starts miraculously healing the
>sick and lame and casting out "unclean spirits" and "devils". Now, the
>synagogues resident scribes were not pleased with Jesus, since he was
>definitely stealing their scene, so they started telling people, "He hath
>Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils."
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>Here's what Jesus tells them (Mark 3:23-30).
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>"And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan
>cast out Satan?
>And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
>And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
>And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but
>hath an end.
>No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he
>will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
>Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and
>blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
It doesn't say all sins it says blasphemes against man
>But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
>but is in danger of eternal damnation.
>Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit."
>
>So, what Jesus thought was unforgiveable was for people in postions of high
>spiritual office to deliberately defame the power of the Holy Spirit as
>diabolical and to use their exalted status in their religion to add
>credibility to that false accusation. And that's it. Everything else is
>forgiveable. Sexually molesting children isn't the same as a Christian
>priest or scholar deceitfully misrepresenting a work of God as the work of a
>devil. So child molesting isn't the same as blasphemy against the Holy
>Spirit at all. According to Jesus, that is.
Well thanks for outing yourself, your a pedophile Tom and one who is
trying to twist his own religion to make it seem as if pedophilia is
acceptable to the Christian god...
Don't forget to buy yourself a milestone, I beleive garden centres can
provide one for you if you have trouble finding one for yourself.
I don't beleive in your God. But I do beleive one of the greatest evils
that man can do to man is for an adult to use a child like a toy.. to
sexually abuse that child and take away its trust and its future.
If that child is a Christian child it will eventually start to blame the
bible and the Christian religion for what happened to it. And it will
curse your god and your bible and leave your religion in the dust.
What answer will you give your God when he asks you why so many of the
children you abused turned from him ......
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>If only you could see how silly you look trying to spout bible verses you
>barely know, much less understand.
How pathetic you look trying to find an excuse for your pedophilia...
your a sad and disgusting animal Tom.. Your not a human being in my
eyes, a
I hope you will soon be caught, but if your not I hope your life is one
long painful and dreadful journey... and at the end you understand
totally what you have done to the children you have abused.
I do know that we do indeed pay for our sins... not in your version of
hell or heaven.. What goes around comes around.
When its your turn to pay, I hope its long painful and you beg for
death.
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