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TIME is indication of MOVEMENT! Nothingg else.
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| Time is not a state of mind! This is reducs. The state of mind is
CONSCIOUSNESS. People should learn this first,instead bulliying!
In reality if there is any MOVEMENT of any particles, then there is
time to indicate this MOVEMENT.How else can you indicate the placement
of the particle?
That is it.It is very simple. So please do not be a stup bulliying
other way around!
With comassion,
Puma
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| omjaram 2005-03-19, 6:09 pm |
| Hi,
There is neither time nor movement. These are constructs created by
humans to help manage their existence on the material plane. In reality
(think/meditate about it) there is only here and only now. The ability
to know or perceive this is what I think Carlos Casteneta's, Don Juan
meant by "stopping the world".
Namaste
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| Narayana 2005-03-19, 6:09 pm |
| The mind is like a muscle - it is conditioned and must have many
states and views, and will reflect on anything...
Your statement is not connected to the mind, but to a believe of the
TIME
reality, which is only a believe. The problem to view the terminology
of
union of the space and time separately – like words (time) … (space)
is
also some activity of the mind bound by mental reflexes – to respond
or react…brake and destroy.
In an academic view the time is a projection as a part of the human
Ego to relate to an external reality in respect of identification with
own physical body.
As soon as Identification with the body will become weaker, the sense
or believe of the time also will become less important in same way as
of physical side of universe.
Only spiritually growing by practicing Dereflexation, the human may
exist in different reality of time and space, separating him/herself
from the conditional reality of the mind and body, re-appearing in the
Spiritual Entity of Blissful Existence as pure spirit.
With compassion
N 
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"puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
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> Time is not a state of mind! This is reducs. The state of mind is
> CONSCIOUSNESS. People should learn this first,instead bulliying!
>
> In reality if there is any MOVEMENT of any particles, then there is
> time to indicate this MOVEMENT.How else can you indicate the placement
> of the particle?
>
even if i define time for you, will that solve your problem(s) ?
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Dear Anon,
The subject matter is not my problem(s). The subject matter is REALITY.
No one can change it. If there is any movement,then there is
TIME...That is so simple. Any normal mind is able to get it.When we
want to see anything, we should be OBJECTIVE that is aside from our
personal problems as you have indicated...Only personal problem owners
might be able to see things as they wish...
With compassion,
Puma
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omjaram wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There is neither time nor movement. These are constructs created by
> humans to help manage their existence on the material plane. In
reality
> (think/meditate about it) there is only here and only now. The
ability
> to know or perceive this is what I think Carlos Casteneta's, Don Juan
> meant by "stopping the world".
>
> Namaste
Hi Omjaram,
I have a great respect for you there. If what you are saying is
correct,to check it please kindly look at your picture at the age of
seven,and also your picture of now. Put them together if these two
pictures are same,then no movement at all... If there is any difference
that means there is a movement of all the particles of your body...
Reality is such a thing no one can change it my dear. If there is a
movement that can only be shown by time...This is the reality...
NOW is such a reality that, its wideness is infinite that is the fact.
This infinity is the one which alters your mind...So there is time
depening on MOVEMENT.
No one can change the reality... Reality is the fact which is
independent of our minds...
With compassion,
Puma
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| omjaram 2005-03-19, 6:09 pm |
| Puma,
Thank you for your kind word.
> No one can change the reality... Reality is the fact which is
> independent of our minds...
A wonderful statement of the Absolute Truth.
> If what you are saying is
> correct,to check it please kindly look at your picture at the age of
> seven,and also your picture of now. Put them together if these two
> pictures are same,then no movement at all... If there is any difference
> that means there is a movement of all the particles of your body...
> Reality is such a thing no one can change it my dear. If there is a
> movement that can only be shown by time...This is the reality...
I agree with you Puma, you are correct (relatively) and only a mad man
would deny your reasoning. To me your logic is flawless.
However, the ease with which you make your case, might give you pause to
consider that there may be something more. Think about it. If it's as
easy to understand as presented, then wouldn't everyone get it?
In my experience, the existence of "Now" (therefore the non-existence of
time/change) is not an easy intellectual/philosophical (Jnana) notion to
grasp. It is harder still to know (Raja), appreciate (Bhakti) and live
by (Karma). In fact, while my "normal" mind may be able to comprehend
the probable existence of a "now", it is far from equipped to "see" it.
This is my purpose in pursuing meditation; in fact the whole of Yoga. To
allow me, the knower, to know, what's known; "Now"!
One technique I have tried is to sit quietly and focus my mind with the
purpose of seeing "now". I look for "now" until I can find/see/feel/know
it. I anticipate "now's" coming and watch until it changes from the
future into the "now." Relentlessly I try to catch the "now" before it
slips into the past. I have tried as hard as I can to proof to myself
that what you think is true. After becoming tired and frustrated enough,
and quite without my will or intention, I have been given a brief
awareness of "now" (I got the real "me" thrown into the deal as well).
I've been chasing after "now" ever sense ;-)
Namaste
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"puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
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>
> Dear Anon,
>
> The subject matter is not my problem(s). The subject matter is REALITY.
> No one can change it. If there is any movement,then there is
> TIME...That is so simple. Any normal mind is able to get it.When we
i don't understand these big and fashionable words like "reality". there is
the universe which we exist in. change is a fact of that universe. time is a
concept to make sense of the change.
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| On 2005-03-13 16:41:33 -0800, "anon" <me@privacy.net> said:
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> "puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
> news:1110666085.716444.213470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Puma that is a very Aristotelian argument. But movement itself is
illusionary. Movement of what? Matter. Matter is energy.
And we know what Einstein thinks of the relationship between matter,
energy and time. Just bouncing balls of relativity.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> i don't understand these big and fashionable words like "reality".
> there is the universe which we exist in.
Anon choses the existential argument. After all Puma's realist
argument is subject to rationality. And we all know that rationality
can lead to false conclusions. Perfectly rational people thought the
earth was flat. Aristotle himself, the father of common sense
philosophy and extreme rationality in the form of Logos, believed the
sun circled the earth. For him it wasn't a belief it was common sense,
logic and a scientific conclusion.
So Anon eschews the rational approach for the existential. We
experience the universe around us so it is.
> change is a fact of that universe. time is a concept to make sense of
> the change.
Consciousness manifests the universe. The change we see in the
universe is the evidence that the Kosmos is an extension of
Consciousness. A transitory realm with a foundation of Being.
The work of yoga is to lift the veil of illusion and contact Being in
and of itself.
Or at least thats my impression.
--
~Stu
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| Narayana 2005-03-19, 6:09 pm |
| The mind is like a muscle - it is conditioned and must have many
states and views, and will reflect on anything...
Your statement is not connected to the mind, but to a believe of the
TIME
reality, which is only a believe. The problem to view the terminology
of
union of the space and time separately – like words (time) … (space)
is
also some activity of the mind bound by mental reflexes – to respond
or react…brake and destroy.
In an academic view the time is a projection as a part of the human
Ego to relate to an external reality in respect of identification with
own physical body.
As soon as Identification with the body will become weaker, the sense
or believe of the time also will become less important in same way as
of physical side of universe.
Only spiritually growing by practicing Dereflexation, the human may
exist in different reality of time and space, separating him/herself
from the conditional reality of the mind and body, re-appearing in the
Spiritual Entity of Blissful Existence as pure spirit.
With compassion
N
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"puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
news:1110561629.773654.29230@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Time is not a state of mind! This is reducs. The state of mind is
> CONSCIOUSNESS. People should learn this first,instead bulliying!
>
> In reality if there is any MOVEMENT of any particles, then there is
> time to indicate this MOVEMENT.How else can you indicate the placement
> of the particle?
>
even if i define time for you, will that solve your problem(s) ?
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| anon wrote:
> "puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
> news:1110666085.716444.213470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> i don't understand these big and fashionable words like "reality". there is
> the universe which we exist in. change is a fact of that universe. time is a
> concept to make sense of the change.
>
>
I'm not sure what it means to say that change is a fact. Change is a
comparison between two perceptions. Both comparison and perception would
seem to be creations of mind. Not sure how that results in a fact.
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| Stu wrote:
> On 2005-03-13 16:41:33 -0800, "anon" <me@privacy.net> said:
>
>
>
> Puma that is a very Aristotelian argument. But movement itself is
> illusionary. Movement of what? Matter. Matter is energy.
>
> And we know what Einstein thinks of the relationship between matter,
> energy and time. Just bouncing balls of relativity.
>
>
>
> Anon choses the existential argument. After all Puma's realist argument
> is subject to rationality. And we all know that rationality can lead to
> false conclusions. Perfectly rational people thought the earth was
> flat. Aristotle himself, the father of common sense philosophy and
> extreme rationality in the form of Logos, believed the sun circled the
> earth. For him it wasn't a belief it was common sense, logic and a
> scientific conclusion.
>
> So Anon eschews the rational approach for the existential. We
> experience the universe around us so it is.
>
>
>
>
> Consciousness manifests the universe. The change we see in the universe
> is the evidence that the Kosmos is an extension of Consciousness. A
> transitory realm with a foundation of Being.
>
> The work of yoga is to lift the veil of illusion and contact Being in
> and of itself.
>
> Or at least thats my impression.
Thanks Stu! About time someone stuck a fork in this reality concept, if
you ask me. I am curious about one thing. When you say that
Consciousness manifests the universe, are you suggesting that it
precedes the universe? I would be more comfortable with the notion that
they manifest one another, but that's just me.
David
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| Stu wrote:
> On 2005-03-13 16:41:33 -0800, "anon" <me@privacy.net> said:
>
REALITY.[vbcol=seagreen]
we[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Puma that is a very Aristotelian argument. But movement itself is
> illusionary. Movement of what? Matter. Matter is energy.
Dear Stu,
If we persons can not leave the arguments of others,we can not reach
any point at all.My argument belongs to myself. Neither it belongs to
ARISTO nor to any other big-shot! Please first of all, try to
understand this simple fact.
I do not like to hide myself behind others` thoughts...
Now can you please tell me that, is matter and energy are the
samething? Can you prove this saying? forget about what EINSTEIN has
stated.His saying can only be demonstrated on simple matters like
ELEMENTS. But when it comes to a living building as a HUMANBEING it
does not fit at all! How can you change an ENERGY into a HUMANBEING?
Can you answer my this simple question? I am talking about the cahenge
of a human into 7,9,10 and..., 70,80 years...So where is the illusion
on this movement? When a humanbeing is born or he/she dies,where is the
illusion.Illusion only helps to illusionists and others as poets. Plese
be honest on such a plain fact...
Reality might be a word that you do not like....Allright then I may
use other words as FACTS,As PROVEN SCENERY, and LIFE ,THOUGHTS which
fit into their SUBJECT MATTERS, and many other codes can be put forth.
I do not understand why some of you such a smart people do not want to
accept these simple thruth...Is it because its so simple to accept? Or
if you accept it,will that injure yourselves in a way?
No matter what is your reasoning, time is a sort of code ,its so
simple,just to indicate the movement of any point wheather its is
material or ideal...
No one is able to change such a simple code...
With compassion,
PUMA
>
> And we know what Einstein thinks of the relationship between matter,
> energy and time. Just bouncing balls of relativity.
>
>
> Anon choses the existential argument. After all Puma's realist
> argument is subject to rationality. And we all know that rationality
> can lead to false conclusions. Perfectly rational people thought the
> earth was flat. Aristotle himself, the father of common sense
> philosophy and extreme rationality in the form of Logos, believed the
> sun circled the earth. For him it wasn't a belief it was common
sense,
> logic and a scientific conclusion.
>
> So Anon eschews the rational approach for the existential. We
> experience the universe around us so it is.
>
>
of[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Consciousness manifests the universe. The change we see in the
> universe is the evidence that the Kosmos is an extension of
> Consciousness. A transitory realm with a foundation of Being.
>
> The work of yoga is to lift the veil of illusion and contact Being in
> and of itself.
>
> Or at least thats my impression.
> --
> ~Stu
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Dear Anon,
The subject matter is not my problem(s). The subject matter is REALITY.
No one can change it. If there is any movement,then there is
TIME...That is so simple. Any normal mind is able to get it.When we
want to see anything, we should be OBJECTIVE that is aside from our
personal problems as you have indicated...Only personal problem owners
might be able to see things as they wish...
With compassion,
Puma
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omjaram wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There is neither time nor movement. These are constructs created by
> humans to help manage their existence on the material plane. In
reality
> (think/meditate about it) there is only here and only now. The
ability
> to know or perceive this is what I think Carlos Casteneta's, Don Juan
> meant by "stopping the world".
>
> Namaste
Hi Omjaram,
I have a great respect for you there. If what you are saying is
correct,to check it please kindly look at your picture at the age of
seven,and also your picture of now. Put them together if these two
pictures are same,then no movement at all... If there is any difference
that means there is a movement of all the particles of your body...
Reality is such a thing no one can change it my dear. If there is a
movement that can only be shown by time...This is the reality...
NOW is such a reality that, its wideness is infinite that is the fact.
This infinity is the one which alters your mind...So there is time
depening on MOVEMENT.
No one can change the reality... Reality is the fact which is
independent of our minds...
With compassion,
Puma
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"David" <David@home.org> wrote in message
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> anon wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what it means to say that change is a fact. Change is a
> comparison between two perceptions. Both comparison and perception would
> seem to be creations of mind. Not sure how that results in a fact.
>
change is a fact. nothing remains static - doing so would violate
heisenberg's laws - static matter or energy implies absolute certainty,
which forbidden in physics. everything is in flux. even electrons and
protons have (very long) half lives. anything which has come into existence
(taken a form) is in the process of being recycled. the wise men said the
only constant is change.
your comment about this being a creation of the mind is un-resolveable. yoga
sutras brings up this question (does the world exist without anyone
observing it) - and he answers yes, it does. i'm just presenting another
point of view to the regular advaita.
my take would be these are not _creations_ of the mind. the mind just
observes the facts.
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| On 2005-03-14 11:55:29 -0800, "puma" <puma@dowse.com> said:
> Stu wrote:
> REALITY.
> we
>
> Dear Stu,
>
> If we persons can not leave the arguments of others,we can not reach
> any point at all.My argument belongs to myself. Neither it belongs to
> ARISTO nor to any other big-shot! Please first of all, try to
> understand this simple fact.
>
> I do not like to hide myself behind others` thoughts...
>
> Now can you please tell me that, is matter and energy are the
> samething? Can you prove this saying? forget about what EINSTEIN has
> stated.
I could forget what Einstein has stated. We can forget what Copernicus
saw. But then we would have to deal with a geocentric flat earth.
I prefer to learn from these guys. The earth is round it circles the sun.
> His saying can only be demonstrated on simple matters like
> ELEMENTS. But when it comes to a living building as a HUMANBEING it
> does not fit at all!
It fits in my world nicely. The foundation for my asana practice is
that I am nothing more than swirling energy.
> How can you change an ENERGY into a HUMANBEING?
I suppose you have never made love before. The results of that energy
is a human being.
> Can you answer my this simple question? I am talking about the cahenge
> of a human into 7,9,10 and..., 70,80 years...So where is the illusion
> on this movement?
You can never step into the same river twice. Heraclitus noticed this
long before Einstein. (I think around 400BC)
There is an illusion of time and aging, birth and death, but it is all
swirling energy. The only thing that is getting older is the self.
That is a construct. It is the deep attachment to the self that is
causing you to identify with it.
> When a humanbeing is born or he/she dies,where is the
> illusion.
> Illusion only helps to illusionists and others as poets. Plese
> be honest on such a plain fact...
Perhaps illusion is not the right word. After all, this thing you want
to identify with you call reality, is a manifestation of energy. And
in this energy there is no illusion. We are born and we die. This is
true. The poets want you to see beyond the illusion of the world.
The illusionist on the other hand count on your buying into your deep
attachment to the transient nature of the world.
> Reality might be a word that you do not like....Allright then I may
> use other words as FACTS,As PROVEN SCENERY, and LIFE ,THOUGHTS which
> fit into their SUBJECT MATTERS, and many other codes can be put forth.
I have no problem with the word reality. Its sanskrit equal is maya.
As for "facts", we need to weight them. Some may serve their purposes
on one level of consciousness and appear as nonsense on another level.
For instance, gravity seems to keep objects from flying, yet when I
dream objects don't follow the laws of gravity.
I am not sure what "Proven scenery" is. "Life" is a mystery and it
should remain as such. "Thoughts" are as transitory as smoke.
You will have to dig further for that thing that is not transitory in
nature. I can assure you that if you can name it - that isn't it.
>
> I do not understand why some of you such a smart people do not want to
> accept these simple thruth...Is it because its so simple to accept? Or
> if you accept it,will that injure yourselves in a way?
If I accept this idea of your that reality is this stable thing I can
count on, and time only moves on one linear dimension I would be lying
to by self.
In my yogic journey I need to stay true to my understanding of the
nature of the Kosmos.
>
> No matter what is your reasoning, time is a sort of code ,its so
> simple,just to indicate the movement of any point wheather its is
> material or ideal...
In the ideal there is no time. In the ideal that I see is timeless,
expansive, and infinity.
>
> No one is able to change such a simple code...
>
> With compassion,
>
> PUMA
The code sits on one level of consciousness. The waking level of
quotidian life. We manufacture the code to make sense of the world.
The code says you and I are different, time moves one way, symbols
carry meaning, the rational controls the passions.
The trick here is to not identify (to become identical) to the code.
As a student of yoga I suspect you have had moments where you see
beyond the code. At first in glimpses, then perhaps with deeper
experience.
That is the ideal. That is the key to understanding human potential.
--
~Stu
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| On 2005-03-14 04:28:54 -0800, David <David@home.org> said:
> Stu wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Stu! About time someone stuck a fork in this reality concept, if
> you ask me. I am curious about one thing. When you say that
> Consciousness manifests the universe, are you suggesting that it
> precedes the universe? I would be more comfortable with the notion that
> they manifest one another, but that's just me.
>
> David
I have to agree. My mistake, I am so easily taken in by the duality
inherent in language. It is so difficult given that my meager
consciousness is structured by language.
"Consciousness manifest the universe. " Has a number of problems.
Manifest is active. And universe is limited. Should have used Ken
Wilber's "Kosmos" that encompasses everything. So much more useful
than Carl Sagen's Cosmos.
With that we are left with Consciousness - Kosmos and no place for a
verb in the pair.
I suppose "meditation" is the only verb I can think of that can resolve
the two. For some how when we allow activity to settle, and language
constraints fall away, Consciousness - Kosmos are all that are left.
--
~Stu
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| Stu wrote:
> On 2005-03-14 04:28:54 -0800, David <David@home.org> said:
>
>
>
> I have to agree. My mistake, I am so easily taken in by the duality
> inherent in language. It is so difficult given that my meager
> consciousness is structured by language.
>
> "Consciousness manifest the universe. " Has a number of problems.
> Manifest is active. And universe is limited. Should have used Ken
> Wilber's "Kosmos" that encompasses everything. So much more useful than
> Carl Sagen's Cosmos.
>
> With that we are left with Consciousness - Kosmos and no place for a
> verb in the pair.
>
> I suppose "meditation" is the only verb I can think of that can resolve
> the two. For some how when we allow activity to settle, and language
> constraints fall away, Consciousness - Kosmos are all that are left.
A nice distinction, Stu. Isn't language a funny thing? Thousands of
generations of reified concepts, almost makes them seem "real."
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| On 2005-03-15 04:20:50 -0800, David <David@home.org> said:
> Stu wrote:
>
> A nice distinction, Stu. Isn't language a funny thing? Thousands of
> generations of reified concepts, almost makes them seem "real."
Thanks Dave. These intellectual musings took me back to Paris, 1978. I
had the opportunity to hear, psychotherapist, Jacque Lacan lecture on
the "Insistence of the letter on the subconscious." He originally put
forth the notion that the subconscious is structured by Language (big L
- expression).
He broke the psyche into three realms, the Real, the Imaginary, and the
Symbolic. He had developed these concepts with Piaget in the 40's
while studying child development.
To put it simply - The Real is the world without filters, the tabla
rasa. The child comes into the Real and begins to create imaginary
boundaries. I - you for example. Thus the Imaginary. After a while
the child begins to associate symbols from the Imaginary and hence
Language.
He likened these three as interlinked. And that human desire was to
move towards the Real. Unfortunately, the illusion is that the path to
the Real is through the Symbolic. He used Christianity as an example
of that path.
I had some terrific discussions with some of his followers on the path
of meditation in light of this scheme.
--
~Stu
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| Stu wrote:
> On 2005-03-15 04:20:50 -0800, David <David@home.org> said:
>
>
>
> Thanks Dave. These intellectual musings took me back to Paris, 1978. I
> had the opportunity to hear, psychotherapist, Jacque Lacan lecture on
> the "Insistence of the letter on the subconscious." He originally put
> forth the notion that the subconscious is structured by Language (big L
> - expression).
>
> He broke the psyche into three realms, the Real, the Imaginary, and the
> Symbolic. He had developed these concepts with Piaget in the 40's while
> studying child development.
>
> To put it simply - The Real is the world without filters, the tabla
> rasa. The child comes into the Real and begins to create imaginary
> boundaries. I - you for example. Thus the Imaginary. After a while
> the child begins to associate symbols from the Imaginary and hence
> Language.
>
> He likened these three as interlinked. And that human desire was to
> move towards the Real. Unfortunately, the illusion is that the path to
> the Real is through the Symbolic. He used Christianity as an example of
> that path.
>
> I had some terrific discussions with some of his followers on the path
> of meditation in light of this scheme.
That must have been something. I've read a little but of Lacan, but come
at the same topics from a little different bent, mostly from the
anthropological side, going back to Whorf and Sapir, but especially the
work of Clifford Geertz and those that followed his approach. And there
is a wonderful little book by Peter L. Berger and Thomas Luckmann that
gets at these issues ("The Social Construction of Reality"). And while I
was introduced to Merleau-Ponty a long time ago, I have recently gained
a greater appreciation of his phenomenology of perception.
My point being (some will say I'm name dropping) that it is interesting
how much of the undercurrent of twentieth century intellectual thought
was coming to an understanding similar to what was being developed in
India more than 2500 years ago. (And we think of ourselves as advanced?)
David
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| On 2005-03-15 15:33:25 -0800, David <David@home.org> said:
> Stu wrote:
>
> That must have been something. I've read a little but of Lacan, but
> come at the same topics from a little different bent, mostly from the
> anthropological side, going back to Whorf and Sapir, but especially the
> work of Clifford Geertz and those that followed his approach. And there
> is a wonderful little book by Peter L. Berger and Thomas Luckmann that
> gets at these issues ("The Social Construction of Reality"). And while
> I was introduced to Merleau-Ponty a long time ago, I have recently
> gained a greater appreciation of his phenomenology of perception.
Spent many an afternoon at cafés around Paris talking linguistics,
anthropology and structuralism. Was majoring in film theory at the
time.
>
> My point being (some will say I'm name dropping) that it is interesting
> how much of the undercurrent of twentieth century intellectual thought
> was coming to an understanding similar to what was being developed in
> India more than 2500 years ago. (And we think of ourselves as advanced?)
>
> David
I agree wholeheartedly.
I heard a story that Camus' publisher was arranging for Camus to travel
to India before he was killed in a car accident. One wonders if he
wouldn't have tied it all together nicely. All roads of the 20th
century seemed to be pointing to India.
--
~Stu
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| Stu wrote:
> On 2005-03-13 16:41:33 -0800, "anon" <me@privacy.net> said:
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> Puma that is a very Aristotelian argument. But movement itself is
> illusionary. Movement of what? Matter. Matter is energy.
Dear Stu,
If we persons can not leave the arguments of others,we can not reach
any point at all.My argument belongs to myself. Neither it belongs to
ARISTO nor to any other big-shot! Please first of all, try to
understand this simple fact.
I do not like to hide myself behind others` thoughts...
Now can you please tell me that, is matter and energy are the
samething? Can you prove this saying? forget about what EINSTEIN has
stated.His saying can only be demonstrated on simple matters like
ELEMENTS. But when it comes to a living building as a HUMANBEING it
does not fit at all! How can you change an ENERGY into a HUMANBEING?
Can you answer my this simple question? I am talking about the cahenge
of a human into 7,9,10 and..., 70,80 years...So where is the illusion
on this movement? When a humanbeing is born or he/she dies,where is the
illusion.Illusion only helps to illusionists and others as poets. Plese
be honest on such a plain fact...
Reality might be a word that you do not like....Allright then I may
use other words as FACTS,As PROVEN SCENERY, and LIFE ,THOUGHTS which
fit into their SUBJECT MATTERS, and many other codes can be put forth.
I do not understand why some of you such a smart people do not want to
accept these simple thruth...Is it because its so simple to accept? Or
if you accept it,will that injure yourselves in a way?
No matter what is your reasoning, time is a sort of code ,its so
simple,just to indicate the movement of any point wheather its is
material or ideal...
No one is able to change such a simple code...
With compassion,
PUMA
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> And we know what Einstein thinks of the relationship between matter,
> energy and time. Just bouncing balls of relativity.
>
>
> Anon choses the existential argument. After all Puma's realist
> argument is subject to rationality. And we all know that rationality
> can lead to false conclusions. Perfectly rational people thought the
> earth was flat. Aristotle himself, the father of common sense
> philosophy and extreme rationality in the form of Logos, believed the
> sun circled the earth. For him it wasn't a belief it was common
sense,
> logic and a scientific conclusion.
>
> So Anon eschews the rational approach for the existential. We
> experience the universe around us so it is.
>
>
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> Consciousness manifests the universe. The change we see in the
> universe is the evidence that the Kosmos is an extension of
> Consciousness. A transitory realm with a foundation of Being.
>
> The work of yoga is to lift the veil of illusion and contact Being in
> and of itself.
>
> Or at least thats my impression.
> --
> ~Stu
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Stu wrote:
> On 2005-03-15 15:33:25 -0800, David <David@home.org> said:
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> Spent many an afternoon at cafés around Paris talking linguistics,
> anthropology and structuralism. Was majoring in film theory at the time.
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> I agree wholeheartedly.
>
> I heard a story that Camus' publisher was arranging for Camus to travel
> to India before he was killed in a car accident. One wonders if he
> wouldn't have tied it all together nicely. All roads of the 20th
> century seemed to be pointing to India.
Perhaps that job has been left you you?
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| J.D. Campbell 2005-03-19, 6:09 pm |
| Grin,
Time as we know it ordinary is the flow of information related to the
laws of nature in the outter most concentric orb when viewed from a
nimbus / samadhi, (realm of lights made solid outter world). This outter
most concentric orb the world is 4D space but the next and all following
inner concentric orbs are 3d space bridged by the gunas allowing 2D
space to remain 3D. At 2D space or the centerline as within the orbs is
mirror reflection , 1 side or why things always appear to move away go
forward.......yet because of two planes one hortizontal one vertical
(adi/api) its as 2 mirrors facing, (aha+m) yet if changing positions
appears as a floor no ceiling (heavens) or a ceiling no floor
(pit/hell).......
The space is created from 2 planes the vertical first.
That of mirror reflection and the second plane at right angles the
hortizontal (new sp. mine). Always from within to without the
undifferentiated differentiates space into two planes as cross X/t from
the point center vertical primary.
Its simple black & white as a lotus pre opening......the lotus as a 2/3
rds buried as a round coin vertical gains an equator vertical then
errupts as a shaky balloon bowl of jello to become round gains the
hortizontal. Self stabilizes itself first on the vertical axi then drops
a hortizonl axi inside orb after orb concentric to the last that those
flows of info the outter most the physical world. Each orb has different
laws items aka inner worlds.....
So time things information always appears to move away from. Yet thats
not always the case as the realm of ceiling with no floor the no floor
appears to come towards.Yet the pits bottom that ring circle somewhat
might cloud the vision look over that and it easy to see its all comming
towards not moving away.
Its not easy to explain to a mortal time and mirror reflection unusual
optics so they look back into mystery stories find the diagrams too
check and see.
The lower called hells are having romantic winged creatures pits
bottomless things attacking comming towards once in levels going down
into. A wall too side against certain colors lead the way regards demon
names etc. One never grasps either heaven or hells till traveling them
all the best chances of. They are not all in samadhi. Some as simeon
magnus or mine are in the tomb (eastern tanslates mahatmas apartment or
buddhas cave) and after years later as nirvana found in heaven at night
All this romantic description can be called optics and light but some
doesnt obey completely the 4d description because your just 1 point
centered...jay wishs you well but try as you like without samadhi the
illustration of time is an illusion mirror reflection (nothing) very
important one needs the inner world and these are not astral but
divine..
Those onion skins hum ctr two planes the point they cross........hum
just that simple act becomes so complex the first crack......the big
bang at one time was here turns out but got severely edited the crack
its fractures turning into a complete orb that then reflects back as a
now membrane......it builds from potential do one thing a host of laws
potentials appear results follow.
You could work it in reverse. Remove 4D just allow 2-3D as it comes
first. Whats the only possible 1 way to get 4D from 2-3D yep drop the
hortizontal axi as the vertical only has so much before it seeks
hortizontal.......one extra straw breaks the camels back/grin. Its that
tilt found in the susu-nah-ma' through out it bent tilt buldged balance
discovery ah horti-zone-al..jay
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