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Hi Jazzymike,
Pleas kindly be informed that neither in Buddhism nor in Zen, there is
no KUNDALINI AFFAIR.
So I suspect about this huy who has uses name of RAMA that if he really
knows about it!!!
With compassion,
Puma
jazzymike108@yahoo.com wrote:
> Organized Quotations on Meditation Instruction, Buddhism and Mysticism.
>
> By Rama, Dr. Frederick Lenz
>
> Main Page:
>
> http://www.ramaquotes.com/index.html
>
> Chakra Meditation:
>
> http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/chakra_meditation.html
>
> *******************************************************************
>
> The key to meditation is focusing on specific symbols. The symbols are
> the chakras.
>
> When you focus on a chakra, it's very easy to bring subtle physical
> energies into your consciousness.
>
> Each of the seven chakras references different dimensional planes. It
> is a turnstile that leads us into different dimensions.
>
> As the kundalini rises, the knowledge and powers of those dimensions
> will begin to come to you.
>
> In Buddhism we meditate. We make our minds quiet by learning to focus
> on the chakras, release internal energy that we call kundalini, and
> bring ourselves into high states of consciousness.
>
> By fully focusing your mind on your chakras, stilling your thoughts,
> and increasing your kundalini flow, you can rise above your body
> consciousness and unite your mind with the clear light of nirvana.
>
> Start meditating with your eyes open, focusing as a warm-up, then focus
> on a chakra, then just let go and merge. Don't sit there and think or
> move into sleepy states of awareness, but move into high-powered states
> of attention.
>
> Close the eyes, and focus on the third eye, the heart chakra, or the
> navel center. It is a good idea to alternate them.
>
> For the first few years, it's most beneficial to meditate on the heart
> chakra. The heart chakra, called the anahata chakra in Sanskrit, is
> located in the center of the chest, dead center. If you focus there
> you will feel a warm and tingling sensation.
>
> The heart chakra is the central chakra; it is the best chakra to
> meditate on for the first five or ten years of your meditative
> practice.
>
> The heart chakra is the chakra of love and purity. Meditating on this
> chakra each day will give you humility, purity, and spiritual balance.
>
> The heart chakra is located in the center of your chest. Hold your
> right or left hand out. Now say "Me" and, as you do so, touch your
> chest. You will automatically touch your heart chakra.
>
> Close your eyes and simply "feel" the spot your finger is touching.
> Then, after a couple of minutes, let your hands down. Continue to hold
> your attention on the spot just as you did when your finger was there.
>
> Sensations of peace, joy, and love will enter into you. They will be
> very subtle at first. Then they will grow stronger.
>
> After two or three sessions of meditating on your heart chakra, it will
> no longer be necessary for you to physically touch your chest. You
> will sense the spot automatically.
>
> Your heart chakra is not in your physical body. It is in your subtle
> physical body, but it comes in contact with your physical body in this
> location.
>
> Practice meditating on the heart chakra. This is only one of them, but
> it's quite good for the first few years of your meditative practice.
>
> Focus your awareness on the heart chakra. As you do, you will feel
> your consciousness shifting. You may feel different perceptions of
> energy in different parts of your body.
>
> As you focus your attention on the heart center, you will begin to feel
> your thoughts slowing down. You'll begin to feel your mind becoming
> calm and quiet. They won't bother you.
>
> Focus on the heart center and feel love. There is a flower there, but
> it's like a rose folded up. As you meditate, feel that the flower is
> opening . Each time you open a set of petals you're going deeper into
> eternal awareness.
>
> Focus on the center of the chest, relax. Imagine a rose there. Feel it
> unfolding. Let yourself go and ignore your thoughts.
>
> Visualize a beautiful rose in the center of your chest. Imagine a soft
> reddish rose. Imagine that the rose is completely folded up.
> Visualize the first set of petals is gradually unfolding.
>
> There is no end to the petals of the inner rose. Continue to unfold
> set after set of petals until you have completed your meditation
> session.
>
> To become balanced, meditate on the heart center in the center of the
> chest. There you will experience happiness, refinement, sensitivity,
> beauty, laughter.
>
> Power comes from the navel center. If you meditate for an hour or so a
> day and you focus on that sphere, you will release a tremendous power
> that will enter your body. We call it the chi.
>
> I recommend, initially, if you are trying to increase your personal
> power level, to meditate on the navel center, not the lower two. Later
> on in the enlightenment cycle, it is necessary to learn how to go out
> and surf some bigger waves.
>
> It is not advisable for persons who are in the early stages of
> meditation to mediate on the two lower chakras. You will unleash powers
> and forces that will throw you into very powerful altered state of
> consciousness that might not be pleasant at all.
>
> The unlocking of the kundalini, which occurs by meditating on the
> first, second and third chakras, is the entrance into the planes of
> power. There can be very powerful releases of energy that can catch
> you off guard until you have a better sense of what you are doing.
>
> The navel center will bring the power of all three of the lower chakras
> into your being, but with safety.
>
> Focus your attention around the naval area, feel that spot. Visualize
> it. Do whatever it takes. When thoughts come in and out of your mind,
> pay no attention. You just stay right on that spot!
>
> One doesn't actually meditate on the navel. The chakra is located
> about two or three inches below the navel, at that point there is an
> energy access sphere in the middle of the body.
>
> To become powerful, to develop will, meditate on the naval center.
>
> If you are going to experience the ecstasy of enlightenment, it is not
> just going to be a phrase. You've got to work during meditation. So
> back to the navel center!
>
> Move the kundalini from the solar plexus region into the heart center,
> which purifies it and connects the two halves of you being. Bring the
> kundalini down again from the heart center to the navel center.
>
> Enlightenment is to be outside the circle, the circle of death and
> rebirth. There is a circle inside you. If you meditate and focus on
> your third eye, you will see a circle of light.
>
> To become wise, meditate on the third eye, between the eyebrows and a
> little bit above. Focus on that spot, the Agni chakra.
>
> Focus your attention on the center of your forehead. Visualize that
> there is a slow but steady swirl of white light there. Visualize that
> the white light above your forehead is slowly moving in a clockwise
> direction.
>
> Visualize the soft white light continuing to expand as it gently swirls
> around, until it has filled the earth, the sky, the universe, and all
> of infinity.
>
> If meditate on the third eye and have headaches it means you are trying
> to pull in too much power from the occult chakra. The danger is
> obsession.
>
> You can take the kundalini from the crown center and bring it down.
> You can bring it up or you can stabilize them both. When you stop
> breathing in meditation, the kundalini is stabilized.
>
> The kundalini is raised or brought down. It can be done in several
> different ways, and as it moves to the different chakras or energy
> centers in the subtle physical body, it endows one with various powers.
>
> Focus your attention on the top of your neck. Take that energy and
> transmit it in two lines to your hands. Then from the hands, bounce
> that energy right back to the heart center and ground it.
>
> What we are doing is taking an occult energy; it's amplifying in the
> chakras and the hands. Then we are neutralizing it and spreading it
> through the being.
>
> As the prana current and the kundalini and different energies begin to
> move through you, you will feel yourself moving and rocking. Keep the
> body still, otherwise that energy will be lost as it expresses itself
> through the physical.
>
> Even if you are focusing on a chakra, you don't want to do that for the
> whole period of meditation. There should be a point where you let go.
> Settle down. Get off the train of thought for a while.
>
> - Rama
>
> www.ramaquotes.com
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| jazzymike108@yahoo.com 2005-11-12, 6:10 pm |
| puma,
All meditation/concentration/visualization/mantra exercises release a
tremendous amount of energy, tumo, chi, kundalini, lun, whatever you
want to call it. This energy is used to transmute raise one's level of
attention and go into higher states of consciousness. The Six Yogas of
Naropa, Great Symbol Yoga, and Mahamudra, generate so much energy it
will reconfigure yourself at a very deep level. I recommend "Tibetan
Yoga and Secret Doctrines", by W.Y. Evans-Wentz. Rama, Dr. Frederick
Lenz was an expert in the generation and use of the kundalini, and a
Zen Master. Rama's books "Surfing the Himalayas" and "Snowboarding to
Nirvana" explain much more about Buddhist philosophy and meditation
techniques.
jazzy
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| Crowfoot 2005-11-12, 6:10 pm |
| In article <1131755056.467257.258620@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
jazzymike108@yahoo.com wrote:
> puma,
>
> All meditation/concentration/visualization/mantra exercises release a
> tremendous amount of energy, tumo, chi, kundalini, lun, whatever you
> want to call it. This energy is used to transmute raise one's level of
> attention and go into higher states of consciousness. The Six Yogas of
> Naropa, Great Symbol Yoga, and Mahamudra, generate so much energy it
> will reconfigure yourself at a very deep level. I recommend "Tibetan
> Yoga and Secret Doctrines", by W.Y. Evans-Wentz. Rama, Dr. Frederick
> Lenz was an expert in the generation and use of the kundalini, and a
> Zen Master. Rama's books "Surfing the Himalayas" and "Snowboarding to
> Nirvana" explain much more about Buddhist philosophy and meditation
> techniques.
>
> jazzy
Um -- you do know that Lenz also has the rep of having
been a fraud and a kook who used his "teachings" to bed
hot babes, don't you? This guy was no Zen master, to
some (including my 'umble self), only a master of bunkum
and cult-building who finally committed suicide because
he had -- as I recall -- cancer or some similar irreversible
illness. Offing yourself to avoid pain doesn't strike me as
the behavior of a Zen master, but hey, what do I know?
Just another opinion. Google the man's name for further
and more detailed info.
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| jazzymike108@yahoo.com 2005-11-12, 6:10 pm |
| Crowfoot,
I am aware of Rama's reputation created by the media and a few hate
groups. I studied with Rama for many years and can honestly state that
he taught many forms of Buddhism with a great deal of clarity and
humor. His explanations of traditional Buddhist concepts and
techniques made a great deal of sense to me and made these somewhat
obscure concepts very clear. Rama left his earthly body when it was
near its end. If someone wants to find out more about Rama, Dr.
Frederick Lenz, then check out www.fredericklenz.com and
www.fredericklenzfoundation.org.
Rama was against cults:
http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/crit..._and_media.html
Suicide and Buddhism is not as cut and dried as you may think it is:
http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma/suicide.html
jazzy
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Crowfoot wrote:
>
> In article <1131755056.467257.258620@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> jazzymike108@yahoo.com wrote:
>
Offing yourself to avoid pain doesn't strike me as[vbcol=seagreen]
> the behavior of a Zen master, but hey, what do I know?
>
Thought on that subject only here.
I am not so sure, think about it.
The road is learning from eternal strife.
The pain can be overwhelming.
How strong can one person actually be all alone, facing terminal odds,
with the pure knowledge which comes from never ending struggle with the
eternal strife.
Think about it!
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| Crowfoot 2005-11-12, 6:10 pm |
| In article <1131758889.704372.156770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
jazzymike108@yahoo.com wrote:
> Crowfoot,
>
> I am aware of Rama's reputation created by the media and a few hate
> groups. I studied with Rama for many years and can honestly state that
> he taught many forms of Buddhism with a great deal of clarity and
> humor. His explanations of traditional Buddhist concepts and
> techniques made a great deal of sense to me and made these somewhat
> obscure concepts very clear. Rama left his earthly body when it was
> near its end. If someone wants to find out more about Rama, Dr.
> Frederick Lenz, then check out www.fredericklenz.com and
> www.fredericklenzfoundation.org.
>
> Rama was against cults:
>
> http://www.ramaquotes.com/html/crit..._and_media.html
>
> Suicide and Buddhism is not as cut and dried as you may think it is:
>
> http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma/suicide.html
>
> jazzy
Also, just for balance, these sites about people who knew and
studied with him too:
http://skepdic.com/rama.html
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-1.html
etc. Google knows all -- including lots of praise-sites for Lenz
set up by his followers. IMO it's the abuse and exploitation of
women followers (in the guise of helping them progress
spiritually) that marks this guy as a cult-meister. In any case,
there are lots of much less compromised and adulterated
sources of Zen info out there, so why settle for someone so
questionable?
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| Crowfoot 2005-11-12, 6:10 pm |
| In article <437559EB.335F0015@pharae.org>, Azure <tain@pharae.org>
wrote:
> Crowfoot wrote:
> Offing yourself to avoid pain doesn't strike me as
> Thought on that subject only here.
> I am not so sure, think about it.
> The road is learning from eternal strife.
From one site (not a friendly one, granted):
" . . . the day before taxes were due in 1998, Rama drowned in
Conscience Bay near his residence in the exclusive Old Field section of
Setauket on Long Island, New York. Rumor has it that he was stoned when
he fell off the dock. An unidentified woman described by police as
''incoherent'' was found to be in Lenz's house at the time his body was
recovered by police divers. Lenz was 48 at the time of his death. Cult
expert Joe Szimbart claims that Lenz was suffering from liver cancer and
committed suicide by overdosing on Phenobarbital (Skeptical Inquirer,
July/August 1998). The Suffolk County Medical Examiner's office said it
was Valium. Either way, Rama snowboards with the fishes."
"Rumor has it" isn't very reassuring and the Skeptical
Inquirer is sometimes off-the-wall-nuts, but this was
what I read in newspaper reports of this event too.
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| Crowfoot 2005-11-12, 6:10 pm |
| Damn, sorry folks -- did not mean to post this twice.
I'm not on a vendetta here, just doing too much
multi-tasking . . .
In article <pagemail-634A01.20195511112005@iruka.swcp.com>,
Crowfoot <pagemail@swcp.com> wrote:
> In article <437559EB.335F0015@pharae.org>, Azure <tain@pharae.org>
> wrote:
>
>
> From one site (not a friendly one, granted):
>
> " . . . the day before taxes were due in 1998, Rama drowned in
> Conscience Bay near his residence in the exclusive Old Field section of
> Setauket on Long Island, New York. Rumor has it that he was stoned when
> he fell off the dock. An unidentified woman described by police as
> ''incoherent'' was found to be in Lenz's house at the time his body was
> recovered by police divers. Lenz was 48 at the time of his death. Cult
> expert Joe Szimbart claims that Lenz was suffering from liver cancer and
> committed suicide by overdosing on Phenobarbital (Skeptical Inquirer,
> July/August 1998). The Suffolk County Medical Examiner's office said it
> was Valium. Either way, Rama snowboards with the fishes."
>
> "Rumor has it" isn't very reassuring and the Skeptical
> Inquirer is sometimes off-the-wall-nuts, but this was
> what I read in newspaper reports of this event too.
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| ramatantra@excite.com 2005-11-12, 6:10 pm |
| >Damn, sorry folks -- did not mean to post this twice.
>I'm not on a vendetta here
You sound like you are. I also think its funny how you play nice.
In pluralistic, democratic societies, there is the freedom to adopt the
religion of your choice. This is good. This lets curious people like
you run around on the loose! - Dalai Lama
You seem to think this is bad, thank god I don't follow your path.
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| Ramakrishna Rao 2005-11-12, 6:10 pm |
| In article <1131758889.704372.156770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
jazzymike108@yahoo.com wrote:
> I studied with Rama for many years and can honestly state that
> he taught many forms of Buddhism with a great deal of clarity and
> humor. His explanations of traditional Buddhist concepts and
> techniques made a great deal of sense to me and made these somewhat
> obscure concepts very clear.
And how many forms of Buddhism did you study previous to your studies
with Freddy? What were they? What was the extent of your studies? What
"concepts and techniques" did you not understand from others that he
made clear?
RR
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| Crowfoot 2005-11-12, 6:10 pm |
| In article <1131766941.534551.10360@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
ramatantra@excite.com wrote:
>
> You sound like you are.
Sorry you feel that way. Maybe it will make more
sense to you if you know that I live in the Southwest,
near Santa Fe, and I've had more than my share,
perhaps, of exposure to exploitative or downright
fake spirituality, of all kinds; so I tend toward
Skepticism in such matters and I think it's useful
to bring up the skeptical point of view from time to
time. Folks are, as always, free to make up their own
minds, naturally.
> I also think its funny how you play nice.
Well, if I make you laugh, no harm in that!
> religion of your choice. This is good. This lets curious people like
> you run around on the loose! - Dalai Lama
>
> You seem to think this is bad
What makes you say that? Where have I said "don't
run around on the loose"? If anything, I provided
*more* options for the running-around part, which is
part of what I think the usenet is for -- opening doors.
The Dalai Lama has also said, of vegetarianism, that
when he's a little low on protein he doesn't hesitate to
eat meat; I love his openness that nonetheless does not
seem to require him to abandon common sense, of
which he has a whole Hell of a lot more than most
people seem to!
> thank god I don't follow your path.
Your comments indicate to me that you wouldn't
recognize my path if it came up and kissed you on
the nose; so you may well be following it yourself,
without knowing it! Or not . . .
I wish you good days, restful nights, and the blessings
of an independent mind.
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| ramatantra@excite.com 2005-11-13, 12:58 am |
| RamaKrishna felt there were many paths.
Who were the teachers of the Buddha?
Who were the teachers of Tilopa?
Who were the teachers of Padma Sambhava?
Who were the teachers of Kukripa?
Please don't call my teacher "freddy" you disgrace ramakrishna's desire
for religious tolerance.
Why don't you follow the HHDL's example:
In pluralistic, democratic societies, there is the freedom to adopt the
religion of your choice. This is good. This lets curious people like
you run around on the loose! - HHDL
You sound hate-filled and you seem to be against people from running
"loose". The opposite view of RamaKrishna.
Try the Dalai Lama's approach and learn some religious tolerance:
"Today, wherever I go and whenever I meet someone who follows a
different religion, I deeply admire their practice and I very sincerely
respect their tradition." -HHDL
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| Frederamameister Mercedes Lenz 2005-11-13, 5:59 pm |
|
ramatantra@excite.com wrote:
> RamaKrishna felt there were many paths.
>
> Who were the teachers of the Buddha?
>
> Who were the teachers of Tilopa?
>
> Who were the teachers of Padma Sambhava?
>
> Who were the teachers of Kukripa?
>
>
> Please don't call my teacher "freddy" you disgrace ramakrishna's desire
> for religious tolerance.
>
> Why don't you follow the HHDL's example:
>
>
> In pluralistic, democratic societies, there is the freedom to adopt the
> religion of your choice. This is good. This lets curious people like
> you run around on the loose! - HHDL
>
> You sound hate-filled and you seem to be against people from running
> "loose". The opposite view of RamaKrishna.
>
> Try the Dalai Lama's approach and learn some religious tolerance:
>
> "Today, wherever I go and whenever I meet someone who follows a
> different religion, I deeply admire their practice and I very sincerely
> respect their tradition." -HHDL
OH MUNI PADME WALLET
On your knees, Sucker.
The one and only legit reincarnation of Fred.
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| Hi Jazzymike,
I have read the book of TIBETAN YOGA by Evans-Wentz. In this book there
is nothing about KUNDALINI AFFAIR. In short we all know that KUNDALINI
is not related to BUDDHISM nor to ZEN....
If you are positive on your claim, please kindly give me the precise
reference regarding KUNDALINI within any BUDDHIST or ZEN sutras...
It is DEFINITE that KUNDALINI AFFAIR takes place only in HINDU YOGAS,
not in BUDDHIST YOGAS. Any body who tries to assert such a relation
shows his/her knowledge level....Which is not correct with the known
facts at all!!!
With compassion,
Puma
jazzymike108@yahoo.com wrote:
> puma,
>
> All meditation/concentration/visualization/mantra exercises release a
> tremendous amount of energy, tumo, chi, kundalini, lun, whatever you
> want to call it. This energy is used to transmute raise one's level of
> attention and go into higher states of consciousness. The Six Yogas of
> Naropa, Great Symbol Yoga, and Mahamudra, generate so much energy it
> will reconfigure yourself at a very deep level. I recommend "Tibetan
> Yoga and Secret Doctrines", by W.Y. Evans-Wentz. Rama, Dr. Frederick
> Lenz was an expert in the generation and use of the kundalini, and a
> Zen Master. Rama's books "Surfing the Himalayas" and "Snowboarding to
> Nirvana" explain much more about Buddhist philosophy and meditation
> techniques.
>
> jazzy
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"puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
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> It is DEFINITE that KUNDALINI AFFAIR takes place only in HINDU YOGAS,
> not in BUDDHIST YOGAS.
read about the "inner heat" or "tummo"
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| Ramakrishna Rao 2005-11-13, 5:59 pm |
| In article <1131840581.680142.296080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
ramatantra@excite.com wrote:
> RamaKrishna felt there were many paths.
>
> Who were the teachers of the Buddha?
>
> Who were the teachers of Tilopa?
>
> Who were the teachers of Padma Sambhava?
>
> Who were the teachers of Kukripa?
>
In other words, you refuse to answer my questions. That means you don't
know and refuse to find out. I guess that might get in the way of your
dogmas.
>
> Please don't call my teacher "freddy" you disgrace ramakrishna's desire
> for religious tolerance.
So, the fact that I knew Freddy when he was starting out giving free
lectures in San Diego and that we all called him Freddy means nothing?
Have you now deified him so much that we can no longer use his name? Do
you realize how incredibly stuck up that makes you sound? Do you know
that Freddy is probably laughing at you right now?
>
> Why don't you follow the HHDL's example:
>
>
> In pluralistic, democratic societies, there is the freedom to adopt the
> religion of your choice. This is good. This lets curious people like
> you run around on the loose! - HHDL
Yep. That's true. But for a democratic society to successfully survive,
there must be easy availability of honest information. Otherwise, you
get Rove and the Busheviks.
Nobody is preventing you from adopting "the religion of your choice."
However, you have made multiple posts here with the purpose of SPREADING
the religion of your choice. There's a big difference.
You don't have to make post after post here spreading your claims.
That's not a part of adopting any religion. But by posting here you are
saying that these are your beliefs. I asked you to justify them and you
totally ignored that. To me, that shows you have a lack of beliefs and
the inability to defend them. In fact, you don't even want to
investigate.
>
> You sound hate-filled and you seem to be against people from running
> "loose". The opposite view of RamaKrishna.
Very often, when someone is questioned on their personal dogmas, rather
than reply, they attack the person who questioned them. I remember Fred
very well, and he never acted that way. Perhaps that's because he had
beliefs and not dogmas. Perhaps he was simply more open. Perhaps he was
a cynical shyster. Frankly, he was quite an enigma on many levels.
Respectfully, you're just the opposite of Fred and I wonder if you've
learned anything from his teachings at all.
>
> Try the Dalai Lama's approach and learn some religious tolerance:
>
> "Today, wherever I go and whenever I meet someone who follows a
> different religion, I deeply admire their practice and I very sincerely
> respect their tradition." -HHDL
I never heard the Dali Lama or Freddie turn away from questions and
denounce the questioner as you do. It's a shame you haven't learned that
from either Fred or the Dali Lama.
Personally, I just think you're in that stage where you have no sense of
humor. Very common among new converts and cult members.
Never trust a religious leader who won't laugh, sing, or dance. Freddie
did all of that.
Do you?
RR
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| curlywade@yahoo.com 2005-11-14, 12:59 am |
| You are a disgrace to RamaKrishna. You show no religious tolerance by
calling someone's teacher "Freddie" and lying as you do. For I am not
dogmatic. I could be totally wrong. But I did see Rama's thousand
pedal lotus of light turn gold, a halo around him.
You disgrace Ramakrishna by attacking my vision; you are dogmatic and
full of hate and holier-than-thou pride. You should respect other
pathways and the Dalai Lama's teachings. I answered all of your
questions, but you were too full of hate to see it.
SRI RAMAKRISHNA, BLESSED AVATAR, PLEASE SHOW THIS MAN RELIGIOUS
TOLERANCE AND HUMILITY
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| Dave ©¿©¬ 2005-11-14, 12:59 am |
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> "puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
> news:1131897194.737924.99810@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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>
> read about the "inner heat" or "tummo"
>
>
Howdy anon!
That doesn't answer puma's question:
"If you are positive on your claim, please kindly give me the
precise reference regarding KUNDALINI within any
BUDDHIST or ZEN sutras..."
--
Namaste
Dave ©¿©
"Ego sum quis Ego sum quod ut est quicumque Ego sum"
http://www.howdydave.com
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| curlywade@yahoo.com 2005-11-14, 12:59 am |
| >Your comments indicate to me that you wouldn't
>recognize my path if it came up and kissed you on
>the nose; so you may well be following it yourself,
>without knowing it!
I meditate in the desert. Don't worry about it.
www.ramaquotes.com
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| jazzymike108@yahoo.com 2005-11-14, 12:59 am |
| puma,
Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrine has a tremendous amount of information
on Kundalini. KINDLY LEARN ENGLISH.
Jazzy
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| jazzymike108@yahoo.com 2005-11-14, 12:59 am |
| Dave,
The Tibetan Vajrayana teachings describe chakra meditation, kundalini,
lung, chi, tummo, the astral/suble body, etc., in great detail. Have
you seen a Tibetan thanka? There is usually a large halo surrounding
the enlightened being or deity. Do you think that they live in a large
bubble?  This halo is the aura of enlightenment.
Geshe Kelsang Gyatso (Vajrayana)
http://www.kadampa.org/english/trad..._meditation.php
The Bliss of Inner Fire: Heart Practice of the Six Yogas of Naropa, by
Lama Yeshe
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/AS...4909577-2073628
On the tummo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumo
Jazzy
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| Azure 2005-11-14, 12:59 am |
|
Ramakrishna Rao wrote:
>
> In article <1131840581.680142.296080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> ramatantra@excite.com wrote:
>
>
> In other words, you refuse to answer my questions. That means you don't
> know and refuse to find out. I guess that might get in the way of your
> dogmas.
>
>
> So, the fact that I knew Freddy when he was starting out giving free
> lectures in San Diego and that we all called him Freddy means nothing?
> Have you now deified him so much that we can no longer use his name? Do
> you realize how incredibly stuck up that makes you sound? Do you know
> that Freddy is probably laughing at you right now?
>
>
> Yep. That's true. But for a democratic society to successfully survive,
> there must be easy availability of honest information. Otherwise, you
> get Rove and the Busheviks.
>
> Nobody is preventing you from adopting "the religion of your choice."
> However, you have made multiple posts here with the purpose of SPREADING
> the religion of your choice. There's a big difference.
>
> You don't have to make post after post here spreading your claims.
> That's not a part of adopting any religion. But by posting here you are
> saying that these are your beliefs. I asked you to justify them and you
> totally ignored that. To me, that shows you have a lack of beliefs and
> the inability to defend them. In fact, you don't even want to
> investigate.
>
>
> Very often, when someone is questioned on their personal dogmas, rather
> than reply, they attack the person who questioned them. I remember Fred
> very well, and he never acted that way. Perhaps that's because he had
> beliefs and not dogmas. Perhaps he was simply more open. Perhaps he was
> a cynical shyster. Frankly, he was quite an enigma on many levels.
> Respectfully, you're just the opposite of Fred and I wonder if you've
> learned anything from his teachings at all.
>
>
> I never heard the Dali Lama or Freddie turn away from questions and
> denounce the questioner as you do. It's a shame you haven't learned that
> from either Fred or the Dali Lama.
>
> Personally, I just think you're in that stage where you have no sense of
> humor. Very common among new converts and cult members.
>
> Never trust a religious leader who won't laugh, sing, or dance. Freddie
> did all of that.
>
> Do you?
>
> RR
Do you understand the teachings of the Kali.
6 arms one body.
3 Badbs, one force
3 minds one thought.
The total communion of the body, the full circle.
From the 3 came the Apollo, the Gi Ra, Mountain of the Sun, Descendant
of the Lake, the fire Enoch described.
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| Crowfoot 2005-11-14, 12:59 am |
| In article <1131942094.949518.310870@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"curlywade@yahoo.com" <curlywade@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I meditate in the desert. Don't worry about it.
>
> www.ramaquotes.com
Okay. Travel well and safely, to someplace that
you want to be.
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| Ramakrishna Rao 2005-11-14, 11:01 am |
| In article <1131941701.093483.195620@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
curlywade@yahoo.com wrote:
> You are a disgrace to RamaKrishna. You show no religious tolerance by
> calling someone's teacher "Freddie" and lying as you do. For I am not
> dogmatic. I could be totally wrong. But I did see Rama's thousand
> pedal lotus of light turn gold, a halo around him.
>
> You disgrace Ramakrishna by attacking my vision; you are dogmatic and
> full of hate and holier-than-thou pride. You should respect other
> pathways and the Dalai Lama's teachings. I answered all of your
> questions, but you were too full of hate to see it.
>
> SRI RAMAKRISHNA, BLESSED AVATAR, PLEASE SHOW THIS MAN RELIGIOUS
> TOLERANCE AND HUMILITY
LOL!
I guess anyone who dares to disagree with you is a disgrace!
One of the most terrifying things anyone can do is look in the mirror,
and I regret that you haven't reached that level yet.
Too bad you never met Freddie.
If you saw his light, as you claim, you'd know what he was doing right
now.
Laughing at you.
And crying because you claim to represent him.
RR
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| stumper 2005-11-14, 11:01 am |
| Azure wrote:
>
> Ramakrishna Rao wrote:
>
>
>
> Do you understand the teachings of the Kali.
> 6 arms one body.
> 3 Badbs, one force
> 3 minds one thought.
> The total communion of the body, the full circle.
> From the 3 came the Apollo, the Gi Ra, Mountain of the Sun, Descendant
> of the Lake, the fire Enoch described.
Who cares?
--
~Stumper
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| stumper 2005-11-14, 11:01 am |
| Ramakrishna Rao wrote:
> In article <1131941701.093483.195620@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> curlywade@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
> LOL!
> I guess anyone who dares to disagree with you is a disgrace!
> One of the most terrifying things anyone can do is look in the mirror,
> and I regret that you haven't reached that level yet.
>
> Too bad you never met Freddie.
> If you saw his light, as you claim, you'd know what he was doing right
> now.
> Laughing at you.
> And crying because you claim to represent him.
>
> RR
Any Dao?
--
~Stumper
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| Ramakrishna Rao 2005-11-14, 12:54 pm |
| In article <1131955340.480074.27830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"curlywade@yahoo.com" <curlywade@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You're so weird and angry.
>
> More on the guy the above poster calls "freddie."
> (thus showing no religious tolerance)
>
Sorry to disappoint your dogma, but I'm far too busy having fun to be
angry. Weird? Well, I'd rather be weird and devoted to the Divine than
be a dogmatic hero worshiper such as yourself.
You have no sense of humor.
You admit you never met Freddie.
Perhaps one day you'll learn.
However, you're an oaf if you think anyone who dares to stand up to your
dogma is "showing no religious tolerance." You're free to believe
whatever you want and worship little green hermaphrodites on Mars for
all I care.
This all started when you made some claims and I asked you to give some
evidence to support your claims. I took no side. You immediately thought
this was an attack and pounced on me.
You may be studying Freddie's teachings, but you're a loooooong way from
making them part of your life.
Like I posted before, if he could see you he'd be crying that you claim
to represent him. Freddie never acted like you do.
RR
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| Crowfoot 2005-11-15, 1:02 am |
| > > LOL!
>
> Any Dao?
Or -- "Got Dao?" That does seem to be the question;
and since the answer is always "yes", it hardly seems
worth asking, does it?
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| Crowfoot 2005-11-15, 1:02 am |
| In article <idWdnXPpWq5kJuXeUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
stumper <stumper@new%vessel.com> wrote:
> curlywade@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> Those who know do not speak.
Oops. Good think I don't know (and know it).
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| Azure 2005-11-16, 10:58 am |
|
Ramakrishna Rao wrote:
>
> In article <1131941701.093483.195620@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> curlywade@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> LOL!
> I guess anyone who dares to disagree with you is a disgrace!
> One of the most terrifying things anyone can do is look in the mirror,
> and I regret that you haven't reached that level yet.
>
> Too bad you never met Freddie.
> If you saw his light, as you claim, you'd know what he was doing right
> now.
> Laughing at you.
> And crying because you claim to represent him.
>
> RR
I agree with the concept of tolerance, and humility, rather than insult
and humiliation.
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| Azure 2005-11-16, 10:58 am |
|
stumper wrote:
>
> Azure wrote:
>
> Who cares?
>
> --
> ~Stumper
Apparently no one but me.
So I quit.
Man deserves what it gets.
The Paper in the pocket is far more valuable than the stupid tree which
only obstructs the view.
The Gate to Heaven, the Bridge to Asgard, the Path to Hyper Borealis
means nothing, destroy it for the oil.
Screw the Fossils and Gold on Top, we must have the oil below.
To Bad.
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| Azure 2005-11-16, 10:58 am |
|
Ramakrishna Rao wrote:
>
> In article <1131955340.480074.27830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "curlywade@yahoo.com" <curlywade@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry to disappoint your dogma, but I'm far too busy having fun to be
> angry. Weird? Well, I'd rather be weird and devoted to the Divine than
> be a dogmatic hero worshiper such as yourself.
>
> You have no sense of humor.
> You admit you never met Freddie.
>
> Perhaps one day you'll learn.
> You're free to believe
> whatever you want and worship little green hermaphrodites on Mars for
> all I care.
Better watch that, legends talk of the "Blue" people from Heaven aka
Faerie, Sethians, Gen 4:25-26.
Silver Wheel fell from heaven dug the Cave of Abraham.
Krishna!, Oh yeah and Jason, the word is Pha/erae, Ancient Greek Tribe
of the Achaean League, Jason was their King.
Illyaria, his Kingdom, Thrace, the Citadel of the Sacred Band of Thebes.
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| Hi Jazzymike,
English is not my mother tongue. But There are things that I know very
well. "GTUMMO,read as TUMMO, is a psychic heat in the very severe cold
of snowy ranges of Tibet,to be comfortable without fire..." is the
explanation of Evans-Wentz.This clearly indicates that GTUMMO has
nothing to do with KUNDALINI.
In the book of Tibetan Yoga,at the page 32 Evans clearly indicate that
KUNDALINI YOGA is the ROYAL YOGA which is followed by the yogins of
TANTRAS.
And on the same book at page 33,Kundalini Yoga is said as leading to
yogic control of powers of psychic-nerve force. But it is not psychic
heat!
So it is very clear that you are mixing all these explanations of
KUNDALINI YOGA with GTUMMO and all the other aspects of Tibetan Yoga.
It is definite that there is no kundalini affair in Tibetan yoga, any
Tibetan yogi knows this simple fact. So please do not mix things with
each other....
If what you claim is correct and if you know better, than kindly give
me the references in Budhist Sutras....Any Budhist sutras will be
acceptted...
You may know English very well but it is easy to see that your
knowledge is short about KUNDALINI and also about Tibetan Yoga.And also
Budhism as a whole...
Please read carefully the book witten by Evans-Wentz.And all the other
Budhist scriptures.
With compassion,
Puma
jazzymike108@yahoo.com wrote:
> puma,
>
> Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrine has a tremendous amount of information
> on Kundalini. KINDLY LEARN ENGLISH.
>
> Jazzy
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| tonantzine 2005-12-20, 10:59 am |
| Sorry to disagree
padmasambhava was a tantric master from india and went in tibet to spread
the dharma and all the tibetan bhudism is coming from India kundalini
yoga.Th sexual practices of kundalinio yoga exist in teh dzogchen and
kalachakratantra of tibet.
its not because it is not writtent nowhere that it doesnt exist...its
important to know that masters teach in two ways...written for the mass
fopeople, the public and esoteric and mesoteric oral teachings.
Exist kundalini teachings even in judaism and kabbala and christian
bible.
where ever you hear about serpents, raising fire, second birth, the
directing of drops, uniting winds, alchemy, retention of semen,
redicreting sexual energy upward in thebrain like in chinese sexual kungfu
etc...we speak abotu kundalini even if the term is not written.
by the way bhodidharma who spread the chan bhudism in china who became zen
bhudism in japan, was an indian resurected master with seven kundalinis
raised in his 7 bodies
bye
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| Hi Tonantzine,
There is no need for too many words, neither to claim if Tibetan
Buddhism was the only Buddhism, I am talking about BUDDHISM as a whole,
don`t you see?
If you are positive on your claim, please kindly give me the
precise reference regarding KUNDALINI within any
BUDDHIST or ZEN sutras..."
With compassion,
Puma
--
tonantzine wrote:
> Sorry to disagree
> padmasambhava was a tantric master from india and went in tibet to spread
> the dharma and all the tibetan bhudism is coming from India kundalini
> yoga.Th sexual practices of kundalinio yoga exist in teh dzogchen and
> kalachakratantra of tibet.
> its not because it is not writtent nowhere that it doesnt exist...its
> important to know that masters teach in two ways...written for the mass
> fopeople, the public and esoteric and mesoteric oral teachings.
> Exist kundalini teachings even in judaism and kabbala and christian
> bible.
>
> where ever you hear about serpents, raising fire, second birth, the
> directing of drops, uniting winds, alchemy, retention of semen,
> redicreting sexual energy upward in thebrain like in chinese sexual kungfu
> etc...we speak abotu kundalini even if the term is not written.
>
> by the way bhodidharma who spread the chan bhudism in china who became zen
> bhudism in japan, was an indian resurected master with seven kundalinis
> raised in his 7 bodies
>
> bye
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