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| Paul H 2005-10-20, 6:52 pm |
| I was never one for Adam and Eve and the "big bang theory" always had me
thinking "So what happened BEFORE the big bang?"
How do the great sages of Yogic science say everything began?
Paul
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| Hi Paul,
You are not alone on this thought of yours...Waht I see is a closed
loop,it is like a circle or so.On such a loop no one can find any
beginning and end!!If we know where we are going, then this gives us a
clue also..
But as to the YOGIC view PRACRITY and so many Gods can be the cause...
Stories are many...But there is some evidence that there is no
beginning nor ending...Just getting the sape of difference...
What is your personal view? For me personal views are important...
With compassion,
Puma
Paul H wrote:
> I was never one for Adam and Eve and the "big bang theory" always had me
> thinking "So what happened BEFORE the big bang?"
>
> How do the great sages of Yogic science say everything began?
>
> Paul
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| Hi Paul,
You are not alone on this thought of yours...What I see is a closed
loop,it is like a circle or so.On such a loop no one can find any
beginning and end!!If we know where we are going, then this gives us a
clue also..
But as to the YOGIC view PRACRITY and so many Gods can be the cause...
Stories are many...But there is some evidence that there is no
beginning nor ending...Just getting the sape of difference...
What is your personal view? For me personal views are important...
With compassion,
Puma
Paul H wrote:
> I was never one for Adam and Eve and the "big bang theory" always had me
> thinking "So what happened BEFORE the big bang?"
>
> How do the great sages of Yogic science say everything began?
>
> Paul
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| omjaroo 2005-10-20, 6:52 pm |
| Geesh, this is going to be a long thread if even a fraction of the
people answer it. Oh well, I might as well start. I come from New York.
:-)
o
^
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| Dave ©¿©¬ 2005-10-20, 6:52 pm |
| Howdy!
Home is where I hang my hat!
If you go along with the expansion of the universe, then we come from the
big bang.
Only thing is... since the process is a cycle:
Big bang,
Universe expands,
Universe contracts,
Another big bang...
There's no telling how many times this has happened before.
There is also the matter of perspective:
Are you a monotheist?
Do you believe in reincarnation?
Do you think that the earth is the only place in the universe where life
exists?
There are probably just about as many answers as there are people who ask
the question!
--
Namaste
Dave ©¿©
"Ego sum quis Ego sum quod ut est quicumque Ego sum"
http://www.howdydave.com
"omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Geesh, this is going to be a long thread if even a fraction of the
> people answer it. Oh well, I might as well start. I come from New York.
> :-)
>
> o
> ^
>
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| On 2005-10-19 22:07:42 -0700, "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> said:
> Howdy!
>
> Home is where I hang my hat!
>
> If you go along with the expansion of the universe, then we come from the
> big bang.
>
> Only thing is... since the process is a cycle:
>
> Big bang,
> Universe expands,
> Universe contracts,
> Another big bang...
>
> There's no telling how many times this has happened before.
Are you presupposing the fleshy physical universe is place of our origins?
And doesn't this presupposition suggest that there needs to be a time
and place beyond the here and now?
--
~Stu
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| On 2005-10-19 08:05:23 -0700, "Paul H" <nospam@nospam.com> said:
> I was never one for Adam and Eve and the "big bang theory" always had
> me thinking "So what happened BEFORE the big bang?"
>
> How do the great sages of Yogic science say everything began?
>
> Paul
There are a number of creation myths traced back to vedic texts. The
one I am most familiar with is this one. I believe it is used by
modern Hindus and Buddhists alike.
> This universe existed in the shape of darkness, unperceived, destitute
> of distinctive marks, unattainable by reasoning, unknowable, wholly
> immersed, as it were, in deep sleep.
> Then the Divine Self-existent, himself indiscernible but making all
> this, the great elements and the rest, discernible, appeared with
> irresistible power, dispelling the darkness.
> He who can be perceived by the internal organ alone, who is subtle,
> indiscernible, and eternal, who contains all created beings and is
> inconceivable, shone forth of his own will.
> He, desiring to produce beings of many kinds from his own body, first
> with a thought created the waters, and placed his seed in them.
> That seed became a golden egg, in brilliancy equal to the sun; in that
> egg he himself was born as Brahma, the progenitor of the whole world....
> The Divine One resided in that egg during a whole year, then he himself
> by his thought divided it into two halves;
> And out of those two halves he formed heaven and earth, between them
> the middle sphere, the eight points of the horizon, and the eternal
> abode of the waters.
> From himself he also drew forth the mind, which is both real and
> unreal, likewise from the mind ego, which possesses the function of
> self-consciousness and is lordly.
> Moreover, the great one, the soul, and all products affected by the
> three qualities, and, in their order, the five organs which perceive
> the objects of sensation.
> But, joining minute particles even of those six, which possess
> measureless power, with particles of himself, he created all beings.
The idea of God creating something is completely foreign to the East.
Brahma/god transcends the world of action. The idea that nature is
"created" is absurd. Humans made from clay, or other such absurdities
makes no sense. Humans can create artifacts out of wood, metal or
whatever. But God is non-dual. Creation is only possible in the world
of duality. Creation only exists in opposition to destruction.
Thus "nature" as an artifact is purely a Western invention. Given that
we and our surroundings are all forms in a natural flow (the Tao)
"nature" itself is not translatable into Chinese or Sanscrit. The
closest word would be that for spontaneity. The above text does not
really capture this important aspect to the Eastern creation myth.
Given this transcendental form of God, the myth makes sense as the
beginings of the world we know commences with a split. And the
non-dual becomes dual, while retaining its non-dual nature.
As for the Big Bang theory. It is interesting speculation but it is so
far from being resolved that it carries no real philosophical weight.
Physics is a science limited in scope to measuring the physical world.
It makes predictions based on finding mathematical principals of
physical governance. But this physical realm is but a small part of
human experience. For example take the intellectual realm mathematics
exists in. Here is a realm of concepts and formulae that are not
subject to gravitational pull or atomic measurement. Where does "Force
= Mass x Acceleration" or "E=mc(2)" reside? It may be a description of
a physical phenomenon but its conceptual nature lies in a realm outside
the gross limitations of the physical universe.
So here we have a description of two distinct realms of human
experience, the physical and the intellectual. I with the help of St.
Bonaventura would like to submit a third realm. The contemplative
realm. This is the sphere opened by yogic practice - we catch glimpses
of this realm in our non-dual "experiences" (experience is in quotes
because these happen without the help of the five senses).
In summing - The western creationist myths make an error by insulting
god as a limited being engaged in creation. The Eastern myths describe
a poetic answer servicable to answer the questions of children. And
the "The Big Bang" myth is a form of monism that worships the material
without recognizing the intellectual and spritual realms.
So, where do we come from?
This is a distraction from the real question, "Where are we here and now?".
--
~Stu
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| Dave ©¿©¬ 2005-10-24, 2:10 am |
| "Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> wrote in message
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> On 2005-10-19 08:05:23 -0700, "Paul H" <nospam@nospam.com> said:
>
>
> There are a number of creation myths traced back to vedic texts. The
> one I am most familiar with is this one. I believe it is used by
> modern Hindus and Buddhists alike.
>
> The idea of God creating something is completely foreign to the East.
> Brahma/god transcends the world of action. The idea that nature is
> "created" is absurd. Humans made from clay, or other such absurdities
> makes no sense. Humans can create artifacts out of wood, metal or
> whatever. But God is non-dual. Creation is only possible in the world
> of duality. Creation only exists in opposition to destruction.
>
> Thus "nature" as an artifact is purely a Western invention. Given that
> we and our surroundings are all forms in a natural flow (the Tao)
> "nature" itself is not translatable into Chinese or Sanscrit. The
> closest word would be that for spontaneity. The above text does not
> really capture this important aspect to the Eastern creation myth.
>
> Given this transcendental form of God, the myth makes sense as the
> beginings of the world we know commences with a split. And the
> non-dual becomes dual, while retaining its non-dual nature.
>
> As for the Big Bang theory. It is interesting speculation but it is so
> far from being resolved that it carries no real philosophical weight.
>
> Physics is a science limited in scope to measuring the physical world.
> It makes predictions based on finding mathematical principals of
> physical governance. But this physical realm is but a small part of
> human experience. For example take the intellectual realm mathematics
> exists in. Here is a realm of concepts and formulae that are not
> subject to gravitational pull or atomic measurement. Where does "Force
> = Mass x Acceleration" or "E=mc(2)" reside? It may be a description of
> a physical phenomenon but its conceptual nature lies in a realm outside
> the gross limitations of the physical universe.
>
> So here we have a description of two distinct realms of human
> experience, the physical and the intellectual. I with the help of St.
> Bonaventura would like to submit a third realm. The contemplative
> realm. This is the sphere opened by yogic practice - we catch glimpses
> of this realm in our non-dual "experiences" (experience is in quotes
> because these happen without the help of the five senses).
>
> In summing - The western creationist myths make an error by insulting
> god as a limited being engaged in creation. The Eastern myths describe
> a poetic answer servicable to answer the questions of children. And
> the "The Big Bang" myth is a form of monism that worships the material
> without recognizing the intellectual and spritual realms.
>
> So, where do we come from?
>
> This is a distraction from the real question, "Where are we here and
now?".
> --
> ~Stu
Howdy!
Hmmmm.....
"appeared with irresistible power, dispelling the darkness."
Sorta' sounds like a "big bang," doesn't it?
--
Namaste
Dave ©¿©
"Ego sum quis Ego sum quod ut est quicumque Ego sum"
http://www.howdydave.com
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| Dave ©¿©¬ 2005-10-24, 2:10 am |
| "Paul H" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> I was never one for Adam and Eve and the "big bang theory" always had me
> thinking "So what happened BEFORE the big bang?"
>
> How do the great sages of Yogic science say everything began?
>
> Paul
Howdy Paul!
As I understand it (I may be wrong)...
First came Brahman,
Then came awareness within Brahman,
Then the awareness created Maya,
Then awareness created the rest of the universe out of Brahman within the
framework of maya.
--
Namaste
Dave ©¿©
"Ego sum quis Ego sum quod ut est quicumque Ego sum"
http://www.howdydave.com
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| Dave ©¿©¬ 2005-10-24, 2:10 am |
| "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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> "Paul H" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Tgt5f.728$m4.88@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>
> Howdy Paul!
>
> As I understand it (I may be wrong)...
>
> First came Brahman,
Maybe that should be "Brahman IS" (has always existed outside of the
framework of time or space)
>
> Then came awareness within Brahman,
>
> Then the awareness created Maya,
>
> Then awareness created the rest of the universe out of Brahman within the
> framework of maya.
>
>
> --
> Namaste
>
> Dave ©¿©
> "Ego sum quis Ego sum quod ut est quicumque Ego sum"
>
> http://www.howdydave.com
>
>
>
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| On 2005-10-20 20:30:19 -0700, "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> said:
> Howdy!
>
> Hmmmm.....
> "appeared with irresistible power, dispelling the darkness."
>
> Sorta' sounds like a "big bang," doesn't it?
My understanding of the big bang is that time and space are generated
out of the singularity. There is no notion of *before* time. How
could there be? And its silly to imagine darkness *before* the event.
Given there was no *before* connected to the big bang. Don't get me
started on our misconceptions of the notion of causality.
All this big bang theory is rather recent speculation by physicists.
We are far from a truly cohesive theory about the origins of the
physical universe. And I still question how one makes a leap from the
*origins of the physical universe* to the origins of us as conscious
beings.
What is the physical universe without our perception of it?
--
~Stu
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| Paul H 2005-10-24, 2:10 am |
|
"Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> wrote in message
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> On 2005-10-20 20:30:19 -0700, "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com>
> said:
>
>
> My understanding of the big bang is that time and space are generated out
> of the singularity. There is no notion of *before* time. How could there
> be? And its silly to imagine darkness *before* the event. Given there
> was no *before* connected to the big bang. Don't get me started on our
> misconceptions of the notion of causality.
Exactly, this is the bit that has always troubled me with either the big
bang or creation ideas; what was going on for eternity beforehand? Therefore
it's not "really" a beginning
I cyclical universe seems more logical, but then the same question
appears....where did that start? Aaaarrrhhhhh! I guess I can't conceive
infinity.
>
> All this big bang theory is rather recent speculation by physicists. We
> are far from a truly cohesive theory about the origins of the physical
> universe. And I still question how one makes a leap from the *origins of
> the physical universe* to the origins of us as conscious beings.
I think there is plenty of evidence to make a that leap. Evolution seems
unquestionable to me. Whether it is the evolution of gas into liquid into
rock, or monkeys into man. We can see from animal and plant remains how
species have evolved and adapted over time. I can comfortably wrap my head
round the idea that earth was a boiling cauldron that cooled and produced
single celled blobs that evolved into humans. What I can not rationalise is
any theory that has been put forward as a "beginning".
So maybe there is a reason for that, like you said, I am asking the wrong
question. But as my both work and my nature forces me to question and
interrogate, that fact really pisses me off!
:O)
Paul
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| Paul H 2005-10-24, 2:10 am |
|
"puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Paul,
>
> You are not alone on this thought of yours...Waht I see is a closed
> loop,it is like a circle or so.On such a loop no one can find any
> beginning and end!!If we know where we are going, then this gives us a
> clue also..
>
> But as to the YOGIC view PRACRITY and so many Gods can be the cause...
> Stories are many...But there is some evidence that there is no
> beginning nor ending...Just getting the sape of difference...
>
> What is your personal view? For me personal views are important...
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma
>
>
> Paul H wrote:
>
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| Paul H 2005-10-24, 2:10 am |
| >
> You are not alone on this thought of yours...Waht I see is a closed
> loop,it is like a circle or so.On such a loop no one can find any
> beginning and end!!If we know where we are going, then this gives us a
> clue also..
>
> But as to the YOGIC view PRACRITY and so many Gods can be the cause...
> Stories are many...But there is some evidence that there is no
> beginning nor ending...Just getting the sape of difference...
>
> What is your personal view? For me personal views are important...
I really don't know. I do believe Darwin was right about evolution. But that
only explains what happened once life began. I want to know what happened
before that and no theory I have ever heard does. I guess that's one of the
main reason I am agnostic.
Paul
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| Paul H 2005-10-24, 2:10 am |
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"Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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> Howdy!
>
> Home is where I hang my hat!
>
> If you go along with the expansion of the universe, then we come from the
> big bang.
>
> Only thing is... since the process is a cycle:
>
> Big bang,
> Universe expands,
> Universe contracts,
> Another big bang...
>
> There's no telling how many times this has happened before.
>
> There is also the matter of perspective:
> Are you a monotheist?
no..maybe...er...no..I think
> Do you believe in reincarnation?
no..maybe...er...no..I think
> Do you think that the earth is the only place in the universe where life
> exists?
YES!
>
> There are probably just about as many answers as there are people who ask
> the question!
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Dave =A9=BF=A9=AC wrote:
> "Dave =A9=BF=A9=AC" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
> news:urZ5f.10454$cg.5300@news02.roc.ny...
me[vbcol=seagreen]
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Maybe that should be "Brahman IS" (has always existed outside of the
> framework of time or space)
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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IF Brahman is everything how come Brahman is outside of time and
space...!!
This Brahman is like a rabbit of a hokus pokus man!!!!!!!!
[vbcol=seagreen]
he[vbcol=seagreen]
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puma wrote:
> Dave =A9=BF=A9=AC wrote:
ad me[vbcol=seagreen]
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D[vbcol=seagreen]
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D[vbcol=seagreen]
> IF Brahman is everything how come Brahman is outside of time and
> space...!!
> This Brahman is like a rabbit of a hokus pokus man!!!!!!!!
>
That is exactly correct. Brahman is both non-dual and dual. That is a
feature of non-duality. Sort of a 2 for 1 deal.
Brahman is not the relative
Brahman is not the Absolute
Brahman is not both the relative and the Absolute
Brahman is not neither the relative nor the Absolute=20
Nagarjuna
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Paul H wrote:
> "Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> wrote in message
> news:2005102109342216807%Nospam@towelcom...
ve.com>[vbcol=seagreen]
ut[vbcol=seagreen]
ere[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>
> Exactly, this is the bit that has always troubled me with either the big
> bang or creation ideas; what was going on for eternity beforehand? Theref=
ore
> it's not "really" a beginning
Time is a perception we have of the physical world. It is something we
force on the universe to make sense of it. In fact if we did not have
memories we would not have a concept of time. There are psychological
studies of people why have had damage to the areas of the brain that
affect memory. They live every moment as if it is new. Time does not
exist for them.
Without our perception of the world in time there is no such thing as
time. In such a world the concept of *before hand* is absurd.
According to Stephan Hawking the "big bang" theory is a bit of a
misnomer. The expansion of the universe would not have made a sound.
The singularity is the fabric of space and time. There is no before
it. And as far as I have read there is nothing to suggest a loop.
>
> I cyclical universe seems more logical, but then the same question
> appears....where did that start? Aaaarrrhhhhh! I guess I can't conceive
> infinity.
This idea that things need a start is an illusion based on social bias.
Western language itself is structured in such a way that everything
has a beginning middle and end. This structure basis the design of our
consciousness. Going back to Plato we have a history of seaching for
first principals. For the ancient Greeks the concept that there was no
telos to the universe was nonsense to them.
Judeo-xtianity picked up on this and has held it dear up to this day.
Finding meaning is a proprity in the west.
But in the East this is very different. Sanscrit is not limited
structure this way. An Indian child would never think to ask, "how was
I made?"
Instead we have the cosmos as a dance or a drama (maya). And like a
dance we do not do it to get from place A to place B. We dance to
dance. We go in circles, we are caught up in the music, we enjoy the
moment. A dance does not have a meaning. There is no telos.
In this way the cosmic dance of the universe is meaningless. But this
does not mean our lives are meaningless. It just means at the heart
of the universe is a spontaneous flow of actions, and we are part of
that.
Until we decide to subdue action.
That is the yoga part.
>
of[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I think there is plenty of evidence to make a that leap. Evolution seems
> unquestionable to me. Whether it is the evolution of gas into liquid into
> rock, or monkeys into man. We can see from animal and plant remains how
> species have evolved and adapted over time.
With the genetic evidence these days evolution has gone beyond being a
theory.
I can comfortably wrap my head
> round the idea that earth was a boiling cauldron that cooled and produced
> single celled blobs that evolved into humans. What I can not rationalise =
is
> any theory that has been put forward as a "beginning".
Alan Watts puts it this way, So let's say the tree which grows apples
is a tree which apples, using 'apple' as a verb. And a world in which
human beings arrive is a world that peoples. Here we are on this pile
of rocks spinning around the sun. Be very careful when you look at a
pile of rocks because at any moment it may become alive.
http://deoxy.org/w_nature.htm
>
> So maybe there is a reason for that, like you said, I am asking the wrong
> question. But as my both work and my nature forces me to question and
> interrogate, that fact really pisses me off!
>
> :O)
>
> Paul
Questions are good. Yoga for us in the west is going to question our
most basic assumptions about the nature of human nature.
Stu
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| Sevenhundred Elves 2005-10-24, 2:10 am |
| Paul H wrote:
> I was never one for Adam and Eve and the "big bang theory" always had me
> thinking "So what happened BEFORE the big bang?"
>
> How do the great sages of Yogic science say everything began?
>
> Paul
I think they go by ordinary science whenever practical. Aside from that,
there's turtles all the way down. ;-)
As for me, by an incredibly difficult act of self-discipline I avoid
speculation on things I couldn't understand anyway.
S.
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| Paul H 2005-10-24, 2:10 am |
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> "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
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>
> no..maybe...er...no..I think
>
>
>
> no..maybe...er...no..I think
>
>
> YES!
oops, not concentrating..I meant NO!
Doh!
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| Greetings,
For the sole purpose of "debatableness", lets introduce three "concepts",
which, by themselves, are irrelevant.
They serve merely the purpose of a "basis", like a base of a lamp, for what
really is to be debated...the "lamp"
Therefore, like "base" and "lamp" let us concentrate on "lamp" rather than
the "base" 
So :
"+" is "physical universe"
"-" is "emptiness of physical universe"
"=" is both and neither, both because it contains "+" and "-" and neither
because it is neither "+" nor "-" (on their own, in-divi-dual-ly)
Therefore, taking for *e.g.* the big bang theory :
Before bigbang:
"=" is
During bigbang:
"+" and "-" are
"Life" Evolves...I here at this moment, am reading this message,
"percieving", through my sense organ(s), the "+"
"Life" Dissolves (becomes extinct, non-existent), therefore, no sense
organ(s) dependent "I", to "percieve" the "+"
After Big Bang:
"=" is
Let the "ethical" debate continue...
*ding*
---
> What is the physical universe without our perception of it?
Empty
----
"Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> wrote in message
news:2005102109342216807%Nospam@towelcom...
> On 2005-10-20 20:30:19 -0700, "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com>
> said:
>
>
> My understanding of the big bang is that time and space are generated out
> of the singularity. There is no notion of *before* time. How could there
> be? And its silly to imagine darkness *before* the event. Given there
> was no *before* connected to the big bang. Don't get me started on our
> misconceptions of the notion of causality.
>
> All this big bang theory is rather recent speculation by physicists. We
> are far from a truly cohesive theory about the origins of the physical
> universe. And I still question how one makes a leap from the *origins of
> the physical universe* to the origins of us as conscious beings.
>
> What is the physical universe without our perception of it?
> --
> ~Stu
>
| |
| still seeking 2005-10-26, 11:50 am |
|
.. wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> For the sole purpose of "debatableness", lets introduce three "concepts",
> which, by themselves, are irrelevant.
> They serve merely the purpose of a "basis", like a base of a lamp, for wh=
at
> really is to be debated...the "lamp"
>
> Therefore, like "base" and "lamp" let us concentrate on "lamp" rather than
> the "base"
>
> So :
>
> "+" is "physical universe"
> "-" is "emptiness of physical universe"
> "=3D" is both and neither, both because it contains "+" and "-" and neith=
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> because it is neither "+" nor "-" (on their own, in-divi-dual-ly)
>
> Therefore, taking for *e.g.* the big bang theory :
>
> Before bigbang:
>
> "=3D" is
>
> During bigbang:
>
> "+" and "-" are
>
> "Life" Evolves...I here at this moment, am reading this message,
> "percieving", through my sense organ(s), the "+"
>
> "Life" Dissolves (becomes extinct, non-existent), therefore, no sense
> organ(s) dependent "I", to "percieve" the "+"
>
> After Big Bang:
>
> "=3D" is
>
> Let the "ethical" debate continue...
>
> *ding*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Empty
> ----
>
> "Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> wrote in message
> news:2005102109342216807%Nospam@towelcom...
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| still seeking 2005-10-26, 11:50 am |
| This reminds me of something I heard from a friend. Apparently the
Buddhist view of the origins of the universe is in 2 steps.
1 In the beginning, there was nothing
2 And then it was gone.
This may sound funny, but it does fit into what others have been saying
on this thread, viz, what we think we see is a product of our
imagination. After Brahman created her, Maya is the only reality.
| |
| N o_b ody 2005-10-27, 6:47 pm |
| Well "emptiness" and "nothing" are not the same, in the context of that e.g.
Lets try a diferent approach.
Lets take another e.g.:
Look at your keyboard:
Look at the "Home" and "End" keys;
Let's Create a Universe :
Click "New Post"
"Before" you type anything,
If you hit the "Home" key, it will send your cursor to the same position as
hitting the "End" key will take;
Start typing; that is, creating your physical universe (for this e.g. a
newsgroup message),
Stop...
Ok, so :
Hitting the "Home" key will now take your cursor to that same point where
"Before", both "Home" and "End" were;
BUT,
Hitting the "End" key, will now take your cursor to "After" your just
created "physical universe" (the newsgroup message you just typed).
Of course,
Someone can say,
"Well, if I don't type in any words, then hitting the "Home" and "End" keys
will always return me to the same position, therefore, they
can never exist seperately, so they are the same".
The answer?
What about if you hit the "Spacebar" key (a few times)?
Does that not create "something", which is "empty"?
Which is "something" (as oposed to the "physical universe"; "+"; "matter";
etc...etc..),
But,
Not the same "something" you have when you hit the "alpha-numeric" keys?
So to your sense organ(s), your physical universe is "empty".
But,
Does that mean it is non-existent?
To the computer that same "emptiness" is in fact existent, for it has,
for e.g., ten "empty spaces", as a result of the "spacebar" key having been
hit ten times (for e.g.).
"There's more than meets the eye"
"still seeking" <ranga.nambakam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1130330273.709115.98250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> This reminds me of something I heard from a friend. Apparently the
> Buddhist view of the origins of the universe is in 2 steps.
>
> 1 In the beginning, there was nothing
> 2 And then it was gone.
>
> This may sound funny, but it does fit into what others have been saying
> on this thread, viz, what we think we see is a product of our
> imagination. After Brahman created her, Maya is the only reality.
>
| |
| the land surfer 2005-11-20, 10:58 am |
| "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in
news:FzZ5f.2343$647.1632@news01.roc.ny:
> "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message
> news:urZ5f.10454$cg.5300@news02.roc.ny...
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>
> Maybe that should be "Brahman IS" (has always existed outside of
the
> framework of time or space)
>
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>
>
>
ah yeah gday 3
+++
where are th XXXXin words?
+++
gorillaz
'dare'
+++
you can be sit down now
+++
hey paulie
bush is touting
religious freedom in china
"i thought it was their policy to encourage it anywhere"
+++
it's all good
+++
kuta's a cool religion
+++
will th
international court
have a bite at
singapore
for
it's death penalty
and how does that effect
aboriginal traditional law
we still have th death penalty
+++
"licensed to kill"
stop it
+++
"i'm a black cop"
"traditional"
+++
go boldly paulie
'XXXXem"
+++
kanye west
'golddigger'
+++
we've had a good week
we won th soccer game
get to go to th world cup
won th rugby
libby put in another world record
in th pool
and our
ecstacy poppin model
got deported from indonesia yesterday
+++
"oh um"
"they had another quake"
didnt do any damage did it ?
"no just soiled some clothes"
+++
hmm
+++
december 2
they have down to hang him paulie
+++
"it's an awful large amount of street doses of heroin"
he's young and silly
+++
pj harvey
'working for the man'
+++
oh
+++
he gave th man
some info
about further up th chain
coughed up his guts
hmm
if ya did let him go
th underworld would
fill th contract anyway
"think his mum wants him"
"safe behind bars"
+++
"is there such a thing ?"
+++
dont think they;d
just stretch his neck
probly chop some toes off
and assorted body parts and feed em to im
+++
paulei
"hmm"
+++
"i'm not fond of smack"
this isnt about your views
this is about australian's views
+++
"look"
"i said"
"it's dangerous to yur health"
"to kill any australian"
"very rare"
"aboriginal law steps in"
"christopher skase was an exception"
he wouldnt come back to home country and face justice
+++
the geraldine fibbers
'dragon lady'
+++
whole country was convinced
he feigning his illness
seemed remarkably healthy
when th tv crews found im
+++
i pointed th bone at im
he died of his illness
seven days later
karma
<<<smiel >>>
+++
th boys i was singin with last night
didnt know
who'd won th rugby
i kept my mouth shut
+++
no that i knew
you know
but singin with some big
maori boys
and very other kiwi who passes
drops money in
on th basis
+++
the kadaictha man of australia
says little
in th street
+++
ask mika where comes from
and he answers
redcliffe
my kind of australian
+++
if home is
across th water
then XXXX off
+++
pj harvey
'i think i'm a mother'
+++
was morticia's excuse paulie
got half australian kids
+++
"hmmm"
+++
ya ever gunna become a naturalized australian ?
then why are ya here ?
+++
i love my
new zealand neighbours
just dont agree with everything they say
+++
worked with enough maoris
i know
th first greeting is always aggressive
doesnt mean anything
is just talk
+++
our new found mouthy friend
on th bus seat jess
not been here long has he ?
+++
Mu
'jealous kids'
+++
ok morticia
my maori princess
head witch of the gold coast and
really magic woman
if yur all over here
to make money
how many intend goin home later ?
i never meet them
+++
and not like
ya funnel money back
like th islanders do
+++
benny is off to NZ
for xmas
"i heard"
+++
we dont want him
goin to live in NZ permanent
too smart
we educated him
+++
i love australian schools
th kids have a different agenda
to th teachers
+++
i dont say much
when i'm singing int h street
being a background singer
i spend most of my time
listening
"even if i am"
"singing"
+++
preset studio keepers
'solsbury hill'(DUR)
+++
it's not very nice
i know
not to introduce myself properly
to my audience
sittin at th bus stop seat
+++
i'm th wizard
and i'm black
and th cops dont
tell me what to do
ride my unicycle
wrong way up th road
tellin off th cabbies
slow down comin out of th tunnel
i got ppl on th street
a huge night
i got no lights on th unicycle and yes XXXXX
i am prepared to tell you to get XXXXed
no car has taken me out yet
go and complain
they wont do anything
+++
"<<<smiel >>>"
+++
yes it is my unicycle
sittin right behind me
cause some XXXXwiot
tried to take off with it
last week whiel was singin
usin it as a backrest
and sittin on th towel
in a yoga position
+++
will smith
'switch'
+++
why should i do you a trick dude ?
unicycle slides not good enough for you ?
you missed em ?
so
i dont do it for money
+++
sorry i didnt introduce myself
i'm th lethal kadaitcha man of australia
pleased to meet you
+++
i was singin with rock spider
another part black
and this guy said
you guys gunna be here later ?
rock spider said yes
me ?
i'm everywhere
+++
tatu
'all the things you said'
+++
i dont comment
+++
and i dont read it
i follow popular opinion
+++
watch every tv station
read th paper and
watch world news
+++
no
iq 80
anything
tells me what to do
or votes
for me
+++
my job description is
my description
+++
if i'm in a good mood
i'm the wizard of aus
ya dig ?
i'm half white
+++
when we did
black magic woman
mika's new version
i went up to
jewel's vocal range
+++
deadstar
'deeper water'
+++
i dunno mouthy boy
if my singin was
costin em money
you think they'd buy me
coffee
and paulie
can ya pls sit in my chair
while i go buy em
and hand me th drum
give us those
live heartbeats paulie
<<< smiel >>>
+++
i'm not a maori
or a kiwi
watch yur XXXXin mouth
+++
backpedalled a bit didnt ya
when jewel started singin
to mika's guitar
mika ya XXXXhead
it's pitched too high
six chicks just did
a double take
and took up positions
within fourty feet
ok smart arse
you know so much about what we're doing
how many of those chicks
came back and threw in th hat
+++
david byrne
'like humans do'(radio edit)
+++
there's always at least one XXXXwit
who wanders up and
makes a comment
while yur singin in th street
i wouldnt sing nice for you
in a pink fit
and you know so much
better than we do
not liek we dont pull
fifty dollar notes when
th younger crowd isnt in town
+++
th buskers dont money from th party crowd
ya get more abuse
ya have more fun
but ya dont make more money
from th bigger crowd
+++
we knew you were comin
it's traditional
whether you know it or not
they dont want toolies in
surfers paradise
during schoolies
and lock up everything
that moves
we all come to play last night
but umm
not real serious
+++
kevin bloody wilson
'stack the fridge'
+++
do you know
what th buskers talk about
when you
th XXXXhead with th big mouth
wanders on
+++
i was on rock spiders drum
and this chick jsut
i aint got any money for you so
she stuck her pussy in my face
and
like this close
and
dirty dancing
spinning
out there
rock spider blown away
you never seen it that blatant man ?
didnt say that though
kept quiet and
man that is amazing
+++
city high
'three way'
+++
got on this thing with
matt
i was just vocals
theo bringin in
some bongos for me
to cart
mine are XXXXed
so i can riffle behind
matt nd theo nd
anyoen else a drum shy
rock spider only brought oen last night
lost half our repertoire
mat and i
man
he into that wind instrument and
and we got
recorded beats
drummachien
backing track
i've gone left field
singin up with th flute
and jammin
acapella beats into
th beats
while six chicks
squidge in front of the kombi
that was fun
gotta roll
+++
blood sweat and tears
'spinning wheel'
+++
eunice the unique unicycle
i'm payin bad today dear
th heat rash from so many
insane kilometres on th wheel
me and th nephew
wamr today
we goin swimmin at redcliffe lagoon ?
"umm"
"i had an awesome ride last night"
"got in at dawn"
"little brother got up"
"oh hi"
"i'll get ya to do th lawn tomorrow"
"ya have a good time ?"
"told some tales and"
"i got a six inch slide"
"on concrete and"
"rode off it"
"XXXX man"
"got a huge grin and"
"they rebuildin th landie today anyway"
+++
hanson
'if only'
+++
you sayin it
still wont be goin ?
+++
"yur usin th wrong fuel it;s a diesel"
i dont get that
"gotta pour it over th bonnet and light it"
oh ok
+++
robbie bopped thru
to commentate
mostly
to keep th big fella company
layin under th truck
talkin muscle cars
we pushed th xbou into th street
nephew drove it out
he cryin
she goin on a tilt tray tomorrow or
day after
xd comin tonight
+++
tenacious d
'freindship test'
+++
its an ex cop car
let em use it for
a
demolition derby
attitude boy
my xf
falcon is
on th grass
watin for th xd to come in
he's late
+++
mat picked it
i drive a falcon
+++
he drivin
same model kombi
we toured europe in
+++
shakespears sister
'i dont care'
+++
i do
+++
i got fair into this guy
one night
are you jokin man
he's a muso
forget th backing track
he's alone
look what he's playing
better still
listen
+++
XXXXwit
+++
all th guitarists are
cartin pig amps with batteries
to amplify their sound
+++
i need a microphone to go there mika
to go that high
i have to drop
volume
+++
jess can hear it
you can just hear it
and th bus stop can hear it
but five minutes ago
ppl fifty feet that way could here it
+++
we dropped it but
played with it for a while first
we all got quiet
<<<smiel >>>
+++
if i pull th trumpet sound first
easier after playin with rock spider and his trumpet
and slide into th note
it's there
+++
hey jarrod
you doen for th night ?
+++
city high
'city high anthem'
+++
thinkin about it
yur gig
does make more sense in th valley
+++
i was watchin some of yr audience
when i brought back those hot chocolates for us
buskers gettin thin
in brisbane city
+++
<<< Smiel >>>
+++
look
i do th city for
a couple of hours
and just ride
then go down
the fortitude valley
to ride and
drum and
sing
+++
havin an argument with th council
+++
not unusual
was th gold coast council
before th shitty council
+++
my religion XXXXwit
you deaf ?
+++
i'm an aboriginal elder
accepted by my ppl
in th street
and a magic man
+++
machine gun fellatio
'take it slow'
+++
we're patient
+++
sang for a bit with brother julian
he had centre mall
first in
best dressed
led zeppelin and metallica
and a few others
+++
said hi to bradley
didnt stop on th couch
i'm sorry
you were eggin me on
and yur mate missin
they go apeshit
up on th balcony
when i criss cross th center divide
and
go wherever i XXXXin pls
+++
they've stopped
tryin to tell me not
to do what i do
+++
bout as bad it gets is
a whispersed shot at me
for not wearin a shirt
and singin liek a girl
should cover my boobs
i've got a beard
+++
i cant help it i'm a chameleon
+++
jewel
'everybody needs somebody sometime'
+++
got new batteries yesterday
as i said
my normal brand
out of stcok
cheapies for th little radio
new ones are
two dollar packs of
Four AAA
Camelion
Super Heavy Duty
batteries
i liek it
+++
scuse i
..
..
..
+++
cottee's
is about th smartest guy i've met
sat there at th table
not knowin he knew me at th time
and commented
this man
open as he is
doesnt reveal himself
+++
course
at that party
i could nt catch a ball or
bat
in th backyard cricket
and th next oen
two weeks later
i was th opening bowler
bowling leg spinners
and others
and they had difficulty getting me out
while i was batting
+++
robin trower
'night'
+++
jenny came to th first party
yackin to th girls
XXXX off
"paulei came to th second party"
"yackin to anything that'll listen"
"XXXX off"
+++
queen
'i want to ride my bicycle'
+++
was a funny way to introduce me robbie
he wasnt overly impressed
so umm
in th car on th way home
did ya tell him why you call me
god
to my face
+++
it's just godhead
get over it
<<<smiel>>>
+++
robbie sung out
th net still connected ?
yeh man
so far
XXXXed if i know why
<<<smiel >>>
love ya dude
+++
he rides th unicycle
doesnt have enough
cachet
wizard of the fortitude valley
pls
+++
or get official
+++
nirvana
'lake of fire'
+++
god and th devil are
minor unbalanced deities
+++
and white man's invention
we got a lot older culture
+++
hmmm
on sbs telly
they diggin up bones
+++
so umm
have ya dug up our boats yet
from th inland sea
of gondwanaland
+++
interesting
+++
you got some things to find out yet
+++
M2M
'dont say you love me'
+++
ok mika
my style is
a little liek yours
i like th slap board just
not prepared to
beat your beautiful instrument
they always handin me guitars
when we move things around
i hold em like they;re
precious
they sing with me
+++
i wish she'd stop crying
i close my eyes to listen to th guitar
and get a harmonic that
sings
open em up
to watch th smile in mika's eyes
and
jess
comes in and
i retreat again
to find somethin
either mdidle or
one way or th other
so many sounds
+++
butthole surfers
'pepper'
+++
and this girl is
squeeling
her boyfriend in th can
not only broadcasting
aurally
i can hear er
over both amplified guitars
th drum in my hand
and my own
singin voice
just gone lead
i can hear th
quaver
in my
tone
as it searches for a harmonic
to accomodate your noise
a while later
they let im out
and she happy as a pig in shit
+++
ah you know me
i sang for another fitteen mintues
till it a bit too much and
went and sang with matt for a while
+++
had three girls
cryin in th mall
in th five sessions we did
+++
one girl
she got within
fifteen feet of us playin
just cryin softly
as she walked by
and th music
stopped
you know how it all
stops at once
+++
mike oldfield
'tubular bells pt 2'
+++
mika doin this new piece
got all these
silent gaps
they want th heartbeat drum
in th action
here paulei
get on it
are ya ready ?
we never over ran
one of th silenbces
all three
sorry
four
instruments
stopped as one
think we did three versions
durin th course
ok telly
first was th best
and th freshest
my opinion anyway
th last one but
clip th mistakes and
th happy mistakes were
outstanding
+++
timeout:
+++
hey god
how ya goin ?
"cool as"
"how about you ?"
+++
personally
i think gravity is
th attractant electrical forces
and nothing more
+++
works instananeously
+++
umm
watch out for th electron bomb
it's th next quantam leap
+++
th universe is
strange indeed
th smaller you break things
th more power
is unleashed
and it goes down forever
+++
god does not play with dice
with th universe
+++
yes god does
+++
everything is about
opposites
+++
the true randomness
of an infinite universe
equals god
it aint a being
+++
there is more power
in a single atom
than humanity can use
throughout all our history
and our future
+++
the theory of everything
+++
in an infinite universe
all it's component parts
must be
infinitely small
i.e.
nothing
+++
everything equals nothing
+++
nothing equals everything
th smaller we crack th components
th more power we
discharge
+++
being infinitely small
is no more mind boggling
than being infinitely large
+++
ya have sub atomic particles
once upon a time
the atom was th smallest
thing anywhere
+++
funny th things we believe
+++
they call me talker to things
i dont like it
when i talk to something
and it doesnt talk back
i looked inside and saw
nothing
+++
course
i said it was a dot
but it's a hollow dot
got as many shells as
you wanna look for
what magic will we find
in th next level ?
goin deeper
inside reality
+++
th atom brought us
peaceful and other
purposes
huge power from
such a tiny thing
+++
dramatic impact
a logo on th tv
my television suggests to me
thank you god
+++
1200 techniques
'karma'
+++
windows media player
is pickin th msuic
important to me
i know th truth
+++
i write enough of it
before it happens
+++
so if i
point th bone of death at dr death and
my religion is kuta
and twelve days later
th cops blow away
dr azahari
bomb maker of kuta beach
i rejoice
+++
maybe i'm just psychic
+++
and know how th world
is
put together
+++
wotever is
the secret of th universe
it's gotta be
simple
+++
and every being that
finally gets it goes
ah XXXX
i coulda said that
+++
remember i got
unlimited ammunition
lethal kadaitcha man
+++
robbie williams and nicole kidman
'somethin stupid'
+++
look nickie
stop
+++
unfair
+++
says i'm th wizard of aus and i should
extend my hand and
smile
+++
"can i just say ?"
over my dead body
+++
"beehave yurself jennifer"
+++
bein polite
he should know
+++
dusty springfield
'goin back'
+++
"it reads weird jenny"
the days when i was young enough to know th truth - lyric
"ok i'll shutup now"
+++
yur such a child paulie
"we're a neotenous species"
"give us a break"
"we're still on one planet"
will you take th other species ?
"to th stars ? "
yes
"yes"
"we've had this conversation"
"we understand symbiosis"
+++
?
'track 3'
+++
smashing pumpkins
'1979'
+++
we had kuta bee nests in th
bananas
+++
surrounded by th swarm
of native stingless bees
six acres of bananas
surrounding th house
in th volcano of
kuta
+++
1979
i feed th wild pigs
in th pens
th cows
horse
ducks
chickens
snakes
rats
mice and other life
living on our farm
+++
why ya wanna kill my rats ?
they harm you ?
they love th session room
and when they get really stoned
they fall off th rafters and
land in th beanbag and
relax for a bit
till they come to and
ah XXXX
i'm with th humans
and walks out of th room
too stoend to run
+++
basement jaxx
'where's your head at'
+++
take two
sorry i slipped away
i didn t believe
you had gone to bed
your bed
your telly
same rules we grew up with
dont get caught
+++
it was a basement
in th laundry
i dunno
just wanted my lounge room in th laundry
th truly weird thing is
i didnt smoek pot at th time
only my friends did
and i'd sit near th door
+++
laughin at everythin
+++
hey dallas
ya should meet my current lesbian friend
ah wait
she's XXXXin a guy
when she comes to her senses
"alright jennifer"
it's all balance
"you talk more than me"
+++
well...
+++
the offspring
'walla walla'
+++
it's gotta be
really XXXXin simple
to confuse
so many ppl
+++
world of opposites
harry potter's not real
and got no real magic
not even a potter
i am real
a wizard
make pottery whistles like
th one hangin around my neck
ocarinas and
i dont have any money
if i dont get that sub
i dont smoke ciggies tomorrow
i draw th line somewhere
+++
icehouse (with chrissie amphlett)
'love in motion'
+++
"give it up jenny"
"ya XXXXed th voice last night"
"i be talkin funny for days"
said i was replete just
i wanna fly
+++
gotta move th xf
th real world
never entirely goes away
here
suck down a cone whiel i'm gone
a bong dickhead
[shakes head and XXXXs off]
+++
it's a crazy world of opposites we live in
i'm just an idiot on a unicycle
just ask some XXXXhead
in th street
hang on
dont ask
he'll say it anyway
+++
the theory of everything
+++
first principal of
engineering is
KISS
K eep
I t
S imple
S tupid
+++
everything
is about balance
if this physical reality
has infinity
on that side of th line
has to be balanced by
infinity
this side of th line
+++
tool
'hooker with a penis'
+++
do ya listen to th lyrics ?
<<<smiel >>>
we play games in th street with
do ya listen to th lyrics ?
+++
i do things my way
frequently
the wrong way
ya dont find
th keys to th universe
by following XXXXing rules
+++
i am the lethal kadaitcha man
called the land surfer
pronounced
as always
the kadaitcha man of australia
and i am
licensed to kill
+++
pj harvey
'down by the water'
+++
karma says ya gotta deserve it
it's gotta pass
god's inspection
everything
everywhere
everywhen
ya cant beat karma
it is god
+++
five years
as an unpaid
street entertainer
karma and i are
very good friends
+++
ya have to know how th world works
and be bold
and not afraid to experiment
i surf on my unicycle in th surf
but i can do most things
<<<smiel >>>
+++
coldplay
'speed of sound'
+++
how do we break th speed of light ?
gravity has already done that
+++
we love to name things
we dont understand
give it a label and
move on
+++
like th bear in th himalayas
th english
thought there were three species
th germans found
there was only one
+++
after th earthquake in aceh
th indonesians and th
aceh ppl
came to some agreement
now they touting that
india and pakistan
have actually opened th inner border of
another country
+++
my nepalese friend
you were very cut at me
kashmir will rise
again
from th rubble
which is to your good
+++
neil young
'the needle and the damage done'
+++
now will ya shut th XXXX up robbie plant ?
+++
i stuffed
stairway to heaven over
hotel california
why dont ya go listen to th original
poor bastards ya
killem with yur
pls play it again
pls play it again
+++
kristin hersh and michael stipe
'your ghost'
+++
ya give them a hard enough time
replicate what ya did
oen afternoon
XXXXed out of yur mind and
man th top shelf pussy
XXXX i was never so inspired
wot i call verve
+++
we never play th same song twice and
thats; th way it;s been for
thousands of years of human history
before some bugger decided to record it
and sell it
+++
and th XXXXin copppers
pour out our drink
in the fortitude valley
while a man is singin to his ppl
cause it got alcohol in it
+++
thousands of years
th walking crowd would
throw th minstrel a drink
one guy last night
+++
pink floyd
'pigs on the wing'(pt 1)
+++
are we over regulated
or what ?
+++
street's full of drunks
we're keepin em peaceful
stayed away from our wilder stuff and
playin elevator music
with edge
to keeep th oversize crowd
tame
+++
moby
'porcelain'
+++
ya dumb pig cunts
+++
"they study mob psychology jennifer"
so do we
+++
we kept th tone
mellow and i
avoided th lower register
sang liek a chick most of th night
watch that ya
dont judge me by that
sweet black honey drippin singin voice
under th
mass of ringlets and curls
every muscle defined and
toned
i've had
four hours
ridin th 24 inch unicycle
amazed
thousands
i am everywhere
and singin on most of th street corners
i'm there
even when i'm not there
+++
and sittin in th car havin a joint
and another bourbon
+++
george
'rain'
+++
ninety five percent plus
i'm back in th car
i fit's gunna rain
unless i'm lookin forward to it
ride down th centre of
th widest city street
bout midnight
arms held out
looking up
flying between th buildings
th legs just
goin roudn by themselves
on atuomatic
knwo they;re down there somewhere
stopped thinkin about it
a long time ago
intrigued by
flying thru th buildings
[police siren]
ah yeah gday
yeah man
my helmet ?
i 'll get a light
seem to have forgotten it
"i dont need it"
"comfortable ridin with my eyes closed"
<<<smile >>>
+++
we havent done th back street for a while
"so down th centre of th road"
"Whiel we were runnin th light last night"
"Wasnt hard enough for you jennifer ?"
i was thinkin of
gettin pulled
gravity
from th cars
and especially that truck
"you have to turn sight off to feel it"
+++
radiohead
'karma police'
+++
ok this is th karma cops
this kadaitcha man wants
dr death rubbed
dont give me th details
just do it
wot's this twelve days shit ?
my contracts go out
in seven days
i'm readin
dr azahari's death notic ein th papr
twelve days later
i'm not XXXXing impressed
how are my clients going to feel ?
when ya mess it up - lyric
dont give me this shit i
mentioned there were
two dr deaths
immediately after i
pointed th boen of death
and started singin
its not XXXXin good enough
next cunt i want whacked
you
do im
on th XXXXin day
none of this i was confused shit
oif you were that XXXXin confused
why didnt ya whack
dr death from th bundaberg
hospital
+++
?
'CWMFilm'
+++
nicole kidman
'come what may'
+++
i'm not impressed
i dig
our religion is kuta
and this dr death
way sweeter a kill
we're jack of these XXXXin killer doctors
hiding
in th system
+++
it was a damning report
+++
i landed in th bundaberg hospital with multiple
wasp stings
+++
they did me a favour though
i'm not allergic to bees anymore
not as bad anyway
+++
our bees dont have stings
+++
do re mi
'warnings moving clockwise'
+++
if th heart of everything is
nothing
wot is reality ?
wot is a solipsist bible ?
+++
not every word
in a solipsist bible
is true
it mirrors th world
+++
but to see truth
to see forward and gain
truth from th future
you have to give
truth in th present
and be truthful about your past
only by sharing
will humanity
join
+++
if a hostile alien
was comin at th earth
+++
nirvana
'something in the way'
+++
the religion of kuta broadcasts
to th known and unknown universe
i got bigger concerns than you puppies
+++
we're armed
and we're dangerous
and this is how we conduct our affairs
we may be
petri dish scum
but we wont stay that way
if you get this signal
somewhere out there
in th void
then you've received my other signals
we will not tolerate interference
from outside
in our affairs
+++
arlo guthrie
'now and then'
+++
hello again - lyric
first words in song
+++
comin after you alcor
i know yr there
+++
i know yur gunna be a XXXXin problem
+++
i am not coppin a fine
ya can get XXXXed
we break
the rules of th universe
i dont obey yours
+++
dire straights
'money for nothing'
+++
besides which
th last cop psychologist
to have a wee chat
was not convinced you could
incarcerate me
my savages testicles
beyond medical comprehension
a get out of jail free card
i get blue balls
"aching testicles"
"make sense for a wizard to have a curse"
every day
worse if i talk to you
if yr a girl
but i'm not a savage
so i
ride my unicycle for a coupel of hours and
all comfortably numb
and kinda heat rashed
that and a coupel of cones of marijuana
and i sit int h street
and happily
make music to pretty girls
what did you see
last night
in th fortitude valley mall
riding a unicycle and singing
clad only in a pair of jeans
<<<smile >>>
dont judge a book by it's cover
it might be infinite...
..
..
..
jenny
and
"paulei"
's
diary
shut ya stupid XXXXin thing
'talk to it nice"
"it's magic"
close says a me
+++++++++++++++
p.s.
was off
i got my sub
i can smoke tomorrow
+++
whiel i was doin that
thought i'd eyeball alcor
she's in th sky
where i call
the three sisters
sure enough
i turn straight to er in th sky
wherever she is
and a meteor goes past
ten seconds into my eyeballs can
figure i;ve got
one evil eye
and
one good eye
i'm a black tracker
a shooting star
goes hurtling past th three sisters
hmm
a sign
+++
ok
+++
my crystal blue
balls
tell me to
be wary of you
i trust them
+++
kuta lady is home again
next door
screaming goin on
shutup chrissie
oh
sorry
we affect her bad paulie
"i know"
+++
you named me
kuta man before the kuta beach bombings
i'm psychic
but i dont see everything
one of it's drawbacks
and it's saviours
none of us really saw
what calling me that name would
do
+++
pj harvey
'working for the man'
+++
if i chop off th nuts
and become jennifer
liek th good doctor in
bundaberg suggested
i'll lose my
sensitivity
i cant expect
that th female of our species
will look after me
i better find other ways
bein honest with them
was a complete waste of time
+++
last resort is of course
electro ejaculation
my blue balls can kill me
have done several times
pain shock
who gives a XXXX
i got a unicycle
and marijuana
and half a brain
"i got th other half"
we'll make it
i ejaculate
therefore i am
..
..
the land surfer
+++
led zeppelin
'the rain song'
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