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merlijn spinnewijn

2005-10-10, 9:38 am

what can go wrong in your knee when you want to sit
in the lotus posture for a considerable time?
Your meniscus can displace?


moon

2005-10-10, 9:38 am

If you force too much you'll get injured...

If you are not used to lotus or you are inflexible, be sure:
- you have to open 1st your pelvis area. If you don't do this you'll
be forcing the knees;
- warm up 1st: for instance a sun salutation.
- contitnue to warm up: do standing asanas with legs spread open (to
open your pelvis): trikonasana and so on.
- Then do asanas like Baddha Konasana, or half lotus posture (be sure
you're opening your pelvis and not forcing your knees)

If you need to meditate for a long time be sure your position is
confortable, try half lotus or siddhasana.

Moon

merlijn spinnewijn

2005-10-10, 6:06 pm


"moon" <ptp@oninet.pt> schreef in bericht
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> If you force too much you'll get injured..


What kind of injurie could this be? Meniscus problems, ligaments, muscles?
I tried alsoMatsyendrasana (completed spine twist)
because I thought this was good for the liver. Maybe good for my liver
but bad for my right knee.

>
> If you are not used to lotus or you are inflexible, be sure:
> - you have to open 1st your pelvis area. If you don't do this you'll
> be forcing the knees;
> - warm up 1st: for instance a sun salutation.
> - contitnue to warm up: do standing asanas with legs spread open (to
> open your pelvis): trikonasana and so on.
> - Then do asanas like Badha Konasana, or half lotus posture (be sure
> you're opening your pelvis and not forcing your knees)
>
> If you need to meditate for a long time be sure your position is
> confortable, try half lotus or siddhasana.
>
> Moon

Thanks for good advice, but maybe too late for me.



moon

2005-10-10, 6:06 pm

I'm not a doctor. But I would say every injury (Meniscus problems,
ligaments, muscles,...)

I have two coleages: one injured the muscle of her leg (and the other a
ligament).

Are you doing yoga alone or have a teacher?

moon

merlijn spinnewijn

2005-10-10, 6:06 pm


"moon" <ptp@oninet.pt> schreef in bericht
news:1128977190.047243.301920@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I'm not a doctor. But I would say every injury (Meniscus problems,
> ligaments, muscles,...)
>
> I have two coleages: one injured the muscle of her leg (and the other a
> ligament)

..
They recovered?
Today it goes better with my knee.
The problem is even a doctor has a difficulty
to examine a knee.With x-ray you cannot detect
much.
Do you had a teacher or do you are a teacher yourself?


> Are you doing yoga alone or have a teacher?
>



Alone, by trial and error. In that way yoga has looked harmfull
to me. Now I understand a good teacher is gold. I did nearly
everything wrong : the meditation postures, pranyamas
yama´s, niyama´s etc. Maybe only samadhi I did right.
but when it´s a *maybe* than it must be wrong.
merlin


moon

2005-10-10, 6:06 pm

Hi merlijn spinnewijn,

I've just re-posted a post called "hatha yoga"

there is another one:
"prana, pranayama, prana vidya by swami niranjanananda saraswati"
last posted: 8/september
----
Both these two posts were meant to Space Crystal, who is in the same
condition as you are.

Try to see if you understand it all and post if you have any doubt.


=ABsamadhi I did right=BB
no. You don't know what is samadi

I'm not a teacher because I have already another profession. (but I
could be a teacher if I wanted)

But I'm having classes with good teachers, going to seminars and
workshops.

---
"They recovered? "
The coleague that had the "cut"(or broken) of the muscle is recovering,
she slowed a lit bit.

The other one had to stop practice yoga for several months (her husband
is a doctor), she begun doing phisioterapy (but wasn't helping); she
begun recovering when she begun acunpucture (she is better but she is
still missing classes).
---

In you case slow a little bit (some days). And when you begun again try
to do as I told you.

Moon

Stu

2005-10-11, 1:13 am

On 2005-10-10 14:39:58 -0700, "merlijn spinnewijn"
<m.spinnewijn@chello.nl> said:

> "moon" <ptp@oninet.pt> schreef in bericht
> news:1128977190.047243.301920@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> .
> They recovered?
> Today it goes better with my knee.
> The problem is even a doctor has a difficulty
> to examine a knee.With x-ray you cannot detect
> much.
> Do you had a teacher or do you are a teacher yourself?
>
>
>
>
> Alone, by trial and error. In that way yoga has looked harmfull
> to me. Now I understand a good teacher is gold. I did nearly
> everything wrong : the meditation postures, pranyamas
> yama´s, niyama´s etc. Maybe only samadhi I did right.
> but when it´s a *maybe* than it must be wrong.
> merlin


The knee is a joint that can only move in one way. Unlike the leg to
hip, or arm to shoulder joint that can rotate. Thus if your hips are
stiff and you try to pull your leg into lotus you are going to wrench
your knee. The best way to protect this is to always keep your leg at
a 90 degree angle or straight. You can not damage the knee if the leg
is bent at a right angle.

I would take it easy with asanas that tax the knee for a while. When
you start up try not to do any asana that requires you to bend the knee
at an angle less than 90 with a twist.

After you are fully recovered and you are still interested in lotus
start by putting the legs in a half pigeon. Some times called 90-90.
Sit on a folded blanket or two for elevation. The legs should be on
the floor. Sit in a normal cross leg and then put one foot on top of
the other knee. Keep both legs at a right angle. If your top knee
does not rest easily on the bottom foot put a blanket under the leg for
support. Hold it for a while, maybe do some arm stretches, a twist, a
gentle forward bend (without curving the back). Then do the opposite
foot.
--
~Stu

moon

2005-10-11, 11:16 am


Hi again,

If your elbows and knees are like mine, you need another precaution.

When I straight my legs and arms, they bend "to the other side" (I
don't know how is called in english).

If this happen to you don't straight too much, be sure you're not
bending "to the other side". Try to keep it straight (180 deg).

Moon

merlijn spinnewijn

2005-10-11, 6:04 pm


"Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> schreef in bericht
news:2005101020532911272%Nospam@towelcom...
> On 2005-10-10 14:39:58 -0700, "merlijn spinnewijn"
> <m.spinnewijn@chello.nl> said:
>


>
> The knee is a joint that can only move in one way. Unlike the leg to
> hip, or arm to shoulder joint that can rotate. Thus if your hips are
> stiff and you try to pull your leg into lotus you are going to wrench
> your knee. The best way to protect this is to always keep your leg at
> a 90 degree angle or straight. You can not damage the knee if the leg
> is bent at a right angle.


The hip seems the secret for a good lotus as also Moon told
me .I will follow your advice. Thanks

> I would take it easy with asanas that tax the knee for a while. When
> you start up try not to do any asana that requires you to bend the knee
> at an angle less than 90 with a twist.


I will do

> After you are fully recovered and you are still interested in lotus
> start by putting the legs in a half pigeon. Some times called 90-90.
> Sit on a folded blanket or two for elevation. The legs should be on
> the floor. Sit in a normal cross leg and then put one foot on top of
> the other knee. Keep both legs at a right angle. If your top knee
> does not rest easily on the bottom foot put a blanket under the leg for
> support. Hold it for a while, maybe do some arm stretches, a twist, a
> gentle forward bend (without curving the back). Then do the opposite
> foot


Half pigeon was not completely clear to me .
This is a technical term?

merlin


merlijn spinnewijn

2005-10-11, 6:04 pm


"moon" <ptp@oninet.pt> schreef in bericht
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>
> Hi again,
>
> If your elbows and knees are like mine, you need another precaution.
>
> When I straight my legs and arms, they bend "to the other side" (I
> don't know how is called in english).
>
> If this happen to you don't straight too much, be sure you're not
> bending "to the other side". Try to keep it straight (180 deg).
>
> Moon

Yes I have the same legs like you. I think that made my performance
of the lotus more harmfull. I have also a rather stiff hip, because my right
leg is longer than left leg by 2 centimeter.Left everything okay, but right
side stiff
Greetings



moon

2005-10-11, 6:04 pm


merlijn spinnewijn:
> I think that made my performance of the lotus more harmfull.


No necessarily.
I have the legs and arms like that and I'm very flexible.

I meant that you should not harm your joints by bending to the other
side: when is straight is straight.

But, there are some poses which are good.
My legs are long, and when I was a kid /teenager they bent a bit to
outside and backwards (like the sherifs of the western films)...
When I begun to do some yoga poses, pashimotanasana, this problem
become less visible (much better).

You have to find your own way.

Watch your body, use your intuition, and see what is good for you.

> I have also a rather stiff hip

Do what I said in my 2nd post.


Moon

S2

2005-10-12, 1:04 am

I did a web search for half pidgeon and could not find anything. It
must be something used by some yoga teachers. Call the position 90-90
for now. Technically it is a variation of Lotus.

90-90 has a lot of benfits. Because the knees are protected you can
even use sandbags to bring your legs down and stretch the piriformis.
This is a tiny muscle attached to the tail bone that tends to get
stressed by those of us with back conditions.

If you really want I can take a picture of myself in the pose and send
it to you if and when I get a chance.

moon

2005-10-12, 3:02 pm

Hi merlijn spinnewijn:

(I presume you're from Netherlands - due to your email)

If you're trying to find a good teacher, here's some teachers:

Harish Johari:
http://www.sanatansociety.org/semin...nd_teachers.htm

There are also satyanada's classes (sometimes could be find under the
name of Yoga Integral, Yoga Kriya)
(Satyananda classes are similar to Harish Johari)

If you prefer a type of yoga more physical you have:
Iyengar's (or desikachar)

There are other classes, but I think those ones are good to begin.


Moon

merlijn spinnewijn

2005-10-12, 6:00 pm


"S2" <buttsplicer@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
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> I did a web search for half pidgeon and could not find anything. It
> must be something used by some yoga teachers. Call the position 90-90
> for now. Technically it is a variation of Lotus.
>
> 90-90 has a lot of benfits. Because the knees are protected you can
> even use sandbags to bring your legs down and stretch the piriformis.
> This is a tiny muscle attached to the tail bone that tends to get
> stressed by those of us with back conditions.


With back conditions you mean a hollow back?
Due to my leglength difference (2 ctm) I have a little bit the opposite of
a hollow back
but it doesn´t give me problems. Pashimotasana (posterior forward bend) is
easy for me
but dhanurasana (bow posture) not that easy. So I practise mostly the last
one.

> If you really want I can take a picture of myself in the pose and send
> it to you if and when I get a chance.


Yes you have made me curious what the half pidgeon is like.
thanks merlin



merlijn spinnewijn

2005-10-12, 6:00 pm


"moon" <ptp@oninet.pt> schreef in bericht
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> Hi merlijn spinnewijn:
>


>
> If you prefer a type of yoga more physical you have:
> Iyengar's (or desikachar)


I am intended to take one of this teachers. They maybe have
a good eye on my little physical aberrations.
thanks
>



moon

2005-10-12, 6:00 pm


Hi

Iyengar and Desikachar had the same guru, Krishnamacharya (and are
related by family).

Iyengar has a recuperative type of yoga, done with materials.

Desikachar has a type of yoga called ViniYoga. The principle is: each
person needs a diferent type of yoga (like phisiotherapy). So the work
is done either in class or in individual classes.

Any of them have a excelent understanding of anatomic problems.

Use your intuition, do what makes you feel ok.


Moon

jaj

2005-10-14, 11:08 am


How to get into the lotus posture?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....e297b0aa31caab5

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

moon

2005-10-14, 11:08 am


jaj escreveu:
> How to get into the lotus posture?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt....e297b0aa31caab5
>
> There are none so blind as those who will not see.



Hi Jaj:

You're knocking at wrong door.
I am very flexible: I did lotus the first time I tried.

Any one should follow the yoga type he/she wants to follow without
being called "blind", or ignorant.

This article is much better as it shows the dangers of bikram yoga:
http://www.washtimes.com/world/2005...14821-4035r.htm


Moon

Stu

2005-10-17, 12:59 am

On 2005-10-12 14:09:38 -0700, "merlijn spinnewijn"
<m.spinnewijn@chello.nl> said:

>
> "S2" <buttsplicer@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
> news:1129074652.795561.116300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> With back conditions you mean a hollow back?


I am not sure what a hollow back is. I have a condition where there is
deterioration of the disc L5/S1. A lower back condition like this will
make it so the little piriformis muscle has to work extra hard to keep
me up. As a result a good piriformis stretch goes a long way to
helping my posture.

> Due to my leglength difference (2 ctm) I have a little bit the opposite of
> a hollow back
> but it doesn´t give me problems. Pashimotasana (posterior forward bend) is
> easy for me
> but dhanurasana (bow posture) not that easy. So I practise mostly the last
> one.


I think most people find backbends more difficult. That does not mean
there are no benefits to practicing forward bends.

>
>
> Yes you have made me curious what the half pidgeon is like.
> thanks merlin


I will give it a go.
--
~Stu

the land surfer

2005-11-20, 10:58 am

Stu <Nospam@towel.com> wrote in
news:2005101617122450878%Nospam@towelcom:

> On 2005-10-12 14:09:38 -0700, "merlijn spinnewijn"
> <m.spinnewijn@chello.nl> said:
>
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>
> I am not sure what a hollow back is. I have a condition where

there
> is deterioration of the disc L5/S1. A lower back condition like

this
> will make it so the little piriformis muscle has to work extra hard

to
> keep me up. As a result a good piriformis stretch goes a long way

to
> helping my posture.
>
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>
> I think most people find backbends more difficult. That does not

mean
> there are no benefits to practicing forward bends.
>
>
> I will give it a go.


ah yeah gday 3
+++

where are th XXXXin words?

+++
gorillaz
'dare'
+++

you can be sit down now

+++


hey paulie
bush is touting
religious freedom in china

"i thought it was their policy to encourage it anywhere"

+++


it's all good

+++


kuta's a cool religion


+++


will th
international court
have a bite at

singapore
for
it's death penalty

and how does that effect

aboriginal traditional law


we still have th death penalty

+++


"licensed to kill"
stop it

+++


"i'm a black cop"
"traditional"

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go boldly paulie

'XXXXem"

+++
kanye west
'golddigger'
+++

we've had a good week


we won th soccer game

get to go to th world cup

won th rugby

libby put in another world record

in th pool


and our
ecstacy poppin model


got deported from indonesia yesterday

+++


"oh um"
"they had another quake"

didnt do any damage did it ?
"no just soiled some clothes"

+++


hmm

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december 2

they have down to hang him paulie

+++

"it's an awful large amount of street doses of heroin"

he's young and silly

+++
pj harvey
'working for the man'
+++

oh

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he gave th man

some info


about further up th chain

coughed up his guts



hmm

if ya did let him go

th underworld would

fill th contract anyway

"think his mum wants him"


"safe behind bars"


+++

"is there such a thing ?"

+++

dont think they;d
just stretch his neck

probly chop some toes off
and assorted body parts and feed em to im

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paulei
"hmm"

+++

"i'm not fond of smack"

this isnt about your views

this is about australian's views

+++


"look"
"i said"

"it's dangerous to yur health"
"to kill any australian"

"very rare"
"aboriginal law steps in"

"christopher skase was an exception"


he wouldnt come back to home country and face justice

+++
the geraldine fibbers
'dragon lady'
+++

whole country was convinced
he feigning his illness

seemed remarkably healthy
when th tv crews found im

+++


i pointed th bone at im
he died of his illness
seven days later

karma
<<<smiel >>>

+++


th boys i was singin with last night
didnt know

who'd won th rugby
i kept my mouth shut


+++


no that i knew
you know


but singin with some big
maori boys

and very other kiwi who passes
drops money in

on th basis

+++

the kadaictha man of australia

says little

in th street

+++


ask mika where comes from
and he answers

redcliffe
my kind of australian

+++


if home is
across th water

then XXXX off

+++
pj harvey
'i think i'm a mother'
+++


was morticia's excuse paulie
got half australian kids

+++


"hmmm"


+++

ya ever gunna become a naturalized australian ?

then why are ya here ?

+++

i love my

new zealand neighbours

just dont agree with everything they say

+++


worked with enough maoris

i know


th first greeting is always aggressive

doesnt mean anything


is just talk

+++

our new found mouthy friend

on th bus seat jess

not been here long has he ?

+++
Mu
'jealous kids'
+++


ok morticia
my maori princess

head witch of the gold coast and
really magic woman

if yur all over here
to make money

how many intend goin home later ?
i never meet them

+++


and not like

ya funnel money back

like th islanders do

+++


benny is off to NZ
for xmas

"i heard"

+++

we dont want him
goin to live in NZ permanent
too smart

we educated him

+++

i love australian schools

th kids have a different agenda

to th teachers

+++

i dont say much
when i'm singing int h street

being a background singer

i spend most of my time




listening


"even if i am"

"singing"

+++
preset studio keepers
'solsbury hill'(DUR)
+++

it's not very nice
i know

not to introduce myself properly
to my audience

sittin at th bus stop seat

+++

i'm th wizard
and i'm black


and th cops dont
tell me what to do


ride my unicycle
wrong way up th road

tellin off th cabbies



slow down comin out of th tunnel

i got ppl on th street



a huge night



i got no lights on th unicycle and yes XXXXX

i am prepared to tell you to get XXXXed



no car has taken me out yet
go and complain

they wont do anything

+++

"<<<smiel >>>"

+++

yes it is my unicycle

sittin right behind me


cause some XXXXwiot
tried to take off with it

last week whiel was singin

usin it as a backrest

and sittin on th towel


in a yoga position

+++
will smith
'switch'
+++


why should i do you a trick dude ?

unicycle slides not good enough for you ?


you missed em ?

so


i dont do it for money

+++

sorry i didnt introduce myself

i'm th lethal kadaitcha man of australia

pleased to meet you

+++

i was singin with rock spider

another part black


and this guy said

you guys gunna be here later ?


rock spider said yes


me ?

i'm everywhere

+++
tatu
'all the things you said'
+++

i dont comment

+++

and i dont read it
i follow popular opinion

+++


watch every tv station
read th paper and

watch world news

+++

no

iq 80
anything

tells me what to do
or votes

for me

+++


my job description is

my description

+++

if i'm in a good mood

i'm the wizard of aus


ya dig ?


i'm half white

+++

when we did
black magic woman

mika's new version
i went up to

jewel's vocal range

+++
deadstar
'deeper water'
+++

i dunno mouthy boy

if my singin was
costin em money


you think they'd buy me
coffee

and paulie
can ya pls sit in my chair

while i go buy em
and hand me th drum

give us those
live heartbeats paulie

<<< smiel >>>

+++

i'm not a maori
or a kiwi

watch yur XXXXin mouth

+++

backpedalled a bit didnt ya

when jewel started singin


to mika's guitar

mika ya XXXXhead


it's pitched too high

six chicks just did


a double take

and took up positions


within fourty feet

ok smart arse


you know so much about what we're doing

how many of those chicks


came back and threw in th hat

+++
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'like humans do'(radio edit)
+++

there's always at least one XXXXwit
who wanders up and


makes a comment
while yur singin in th street


i wouldnt sing nice for you
in a pink fit


and you know so much
better than we do


not liek we dont pull
fifty dollar notes when


th younger crowd isnt in town

+++


th buskers dont money from th party crowd
ya get more abuse

ya have more fun
but ya dont make more money

from th bigger crowd

+++


we knew you were comin
it's traditional

whether you know it or not
they dont want toolies in

surfers paradise
during schoolies

and lock up everything
that moves

we all come to play last night
but umm


not real serious

+++
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'stack the fridge'
+++

do you know
what th buskers talk about


when you
th XXXXhead with th big mouth

wanders on

+++


i was on rock spiders drum
and this chick jsut

i aint got any money for you so



she stuck her pussy in my face
and


like this close
and


dirty dancing

spinning



out there

rock spider blown away


you never seen it that blatant man ?

didnt say that though


kept quiet and

man that is amazing

+++
city high
'three way'
+++

got on this thing with
matt

i was just vocals

theo bringin in
some bongos for me

to cart
mine are XXXXed

so i can riffle behind
matt nd theo nd

anyoen else a drum shy


rock spider only brought oen last night

lost half our repertoire


mat and i

man


he into that wind instrument and

and we got
recorded beats

drummachien

backing track


i've gone left field

singin up with th flute


and jammin

acapella beats into

th beats




while six chicks
squidge in front of the kombi

that was fun
gotta roll


+++
blood sweat and tears
'spinning wheel'
+++


eunice the unique unicycle
i'm payin bad today dear

th heat rash from so many
insane kilometres on th wheel


me and th nephew
wamr today

we goin swimmin at redcliffe lagoon ?
"umm"

"i had an awesome ride last night"
"got in at dawn"


"little brother got up"

"oh hi"


"i'll get ya to do th lawn tomorrow"


"ya have a good time ?"



"told some tales and"

"i got a six inch slide"


"on concrete and"

"rode off it"



"XXXX man"




"got a huge grin and"

"they rebuildin th landie today anyway"

+++
hanson
'if only'
+++

you sayin it
still wont be goin ?

+++

"yur usin th wrong fuel it;s a diesel"
i dont get that

"gotta pour it over th bonnet and light it"
oh ok

+++

robbie bopped thru

to commentate


mostly

to keep th big fella company


layin under th truck

talkin muscle cars


we pushed th xbou into th street
nephew drove it out

he cryin
she goin on a tilt tray tomorrow or

day after


xd comin tonight

+++
tenacious d
'freindship test'
+++

its an ex cop car

let em use it for

a
demolition derby


attitude boy




my xf

falcon is


on th grass



watin for th xd to come in


he's late

+++

mat picked it

i drive a falcon

+++

he drivin

same model kombi

we toured europe in

+++
shakespears sister
'i dont care'
+++

i do

+++

i got fair into this guy
one night

are you jokin man

he's a muso


forget th backing track

he's alone



look what he's playing

better still



listen

+++


XXXXwit

+++


all th guitarists are


cartin pig amps with batteries


to amplify their sound

+++


i need a microphone to go there mika


to go that high

i have to drop


volume

+++


jess can hear it

you can just hear it


and th bus stop can hear it

but five minutes ago


ppl fifty feet that way could here it

+++


we dropped it but
played with it for a while first

we all got quiet
<<<smiel >>>

+++

if i pull th trumpet sound first

easier after playin with rock spider and his trumpet


and slide into th note

it's there

+++


hey jarrod
you doen for th night ?

+++
city high
'city high anthem'
+++

thinkin about it
yur gig

does make more sense in th valley

+++


i was watchin some of yr audience
when i brought back those hot chocolates for us


buskers gettin thin
in brisbane city

+++

<<< Smiel >>>

+++


look
i do th city for

a couple of hours
and just ride


then go down
the fortitude valley

to ride and
drum and

sing

+++


havin an argument with th council

+++

not unusual

was th gold coast council

before th shitty council

+++

my religion XXXXwit

you deaf ?

+++

i'm an aboriginal elder
accepted by my ppl

in th street
and a magic man

+++
machine gun fellatio
'take it slow'
+++


we're patient


+++

sang for a bit with brother julian

he had centre mall


first in

best dressed



led zeppelin and metallica

and a few others


+++

said hi to bradley
didnt stop on th couch

i'm sorry
you were eggin me on

and yur mate missin
they go apeshit

up on th balcony

when i criss cross th center divide
and


go wherever i XXXXin pls

+++

they've stopped
tryin to tell me not

to do what i do

+++

bout as bad it gets is

a whispersed shot at me

for not wearin a shirt
and singin liek a girl


should cover my boobs






i've got a beard

+++

i cant help it i'm a chameleon

+++
jewel
'everybody needs somebody sometime'
+++

got new batteries yesterday
as i said

my normal brand
out of stcok

cheapies for th little radio

new ones are



two dollar packs of

Four AAA


Camelion


Super Heavy Duty

batteries



i liek it

+++

scuse i

..
..
..


+++


cottee's
is about th smartest guy i've met


sat there at th table
not knowin he knew me at th time


and commented
this man

open as he is
doesnt reveal himself

+++

course

at that party

i could nt catch a ball or

bat

in th backyard cricket

and th next oen

two weeks later


i was th opening bowler

bowling leg spinners



and others


and they had difficulty getting me out

while i was batting

+++
robin trower
'night'
+++

jenny came to th first party
yackin to th girls
XXXX off

"paulei came to th second party"
"yackin to anything that'll listen"
"XXXX off"

+++
queen
'i want to ride my bicycle'
+++

was a funny way to introduce me robbie

he wasnt overly impressed


so umm

in th car on th way home


did ya tell him why you call me
god


to my face

+++

it's just godhead
get over it
<<<smiel>>>
+++


robbie sung out

th net still connected ?


yeh man

so far


XXXXed if i know why

<<<smiel >>>


love ya dude

+++

he rides th unicycle
doesnt have enough

cachet
wizard of the fortitude valley


pls

+++

or get official

+++
nirvana
'lake of fire'
+++


god and th devil are
minor unbalanced deities

+++


and white man's invention
we got a lot older culture

+++

hmmm


on sbs telly

they diggin up bones


+++


so umm

have ya dug up our boats yet


from th inland sea

of gondwanaland


+++


interesting


+++



you got some things to find out yet

+++
M2M
'dont say you love me'
+++

ok mika
my style is

a little liek yours

i like th slap board just

not prepared to



beat your beautiful instrument

they always handin me guitars


when we move things around

i hold em like they;re

precious




they sing with me

+++



i wish she'd stop crying

i close my eyes to listen to th guitar

and get a harmonic that


sings

open em up
to watch th smile in mika's eyes


and

jess


comes in and



i retreat again


to find somethin

either mdidle or


one way or th other

so many sounds


+++
butthole surfers
'pepper'
+++


and this girl is
squeeling

her boyfriend in th can
not only broadcasting

aurally
i can hear er

over both amplified guitars

th drum in my hand

and my own

singin voice


just gone lead


i can hear th

quaver


in my



tone



as it searches for a harmonic

to accomodate your noise


a while later



they let im out



and she happy as a pig in shit


+++

ah you know me

i sang for another fitteen mintues
till it a bit too much and


went and sang with matt for a while

+++


had three girls
cryin in th mall


in th five sessions we did

+++

one girl


she got within



fifteen feet of us playin


just cryin softly


as she walked by



and th music


stopped





you know how it all

stops at once


+++
mike oldfield
'tubular bells pt 2'
+++

mika doin this new piece

got all these


silent gaps


they want th heartbeat drum

in th action


here paulei
get on it

are ya ready ?


we never over ran

one of th silenbces

all three


sorry


four

instruments


stopped as one



think we did three versions

durin th course


ok telly


first was th best
and th freshest

my opinion anyway


th last one but

clip th mistakes and


th happy mistakes were


outstanding
+++

timeout:

+++

hey god
how ya goin ?

"cool as"
"how about you ?"

+++

personally

i think gravity is


th attractant electrical forces

and nothing more

+++


works instananeously

+++


umm
watch out for th electron bomb

it's th next quantam leap


+++

th universe is
strange indeed

th smaller you break things

th more power
is unleashed


and it goes down forever

+++

god does not play with dice

with th universe

+++

yes god does

+++

everything is about

opposites

+++

the true randomness
of an infinite universe
equals god

it aint a being

+++

there is more power
in a single atom

than humanity can use
throughout all our history

and our future

+++

the theory of everything

+++

in an infinite universe
all it's component parts

must be
infinitely small


i.e.



nothing

+++

everything equals nothing

+++


nothing equals everything

th smaller we crack th components


th more power we

discharge

+++

being infinitely small

is no more mind boggling

than being infinitely large

+++

ya have sub atomic particles

once upon a time


the atom was th smallest

thing anywhere

+++

funny th things we believe

+++


they call me talker to things

i dont like it

when i talk to something
and it doesnt talk back

i looked inside and saw





nothing

+++


course
i said it was a dot

but it's a hollow dot
got as many shells as

you wanna look for

what magic will we find

in th next level ?


goin deeper
inside reality

+++


th atom brought us


peaceful and other

purposes


huge power from

such a tiny thing

+++


dramatic impact



a logo on th tv


my television suggests to me


thank you god

+++
1200 techniques
'karma'
+++


windows media player
is pickin th msuic

important to me
i know th truth

+++

i write enough of it

before it happens

+++

so if i


point th bone of death at dr death and

my religion is kuta


and twelve days later

th cops blow away


dr azahari

bomb maker of kuta beach


i rejoice


+++


maybe i'm just psychic

+++

and know how th world
is

put together

+++

wotever is
the secret of th universe

it's gotta be
simple

+++


and every being that

finally gets it goes


ah XXXX

i coulda said that

+++


remember i got

unlimited ammunition


lethal kadaitcha man

+++
robbie williams and nicole kidman
'somethin stupid'
+++


look nickie
stop


+++

unfair

+++


says i'm th wizard of aus and i should

extend my hand and

smile


+++


"can i just say ?"
over my dead body

+++

"beehave yurself jennifer"

+++


bein polite

he should know

+++
dusty springfield
'goin back'
+++


"it reads weird jenny"

the days when i was young enough to know th truth - lyric


"ok i'll shutup now"

+++


yur such a child paulie

"we're a neotenous species"

"give us a break"
"we're still on one planet"

will you take th other species ?

"to th stars ? "


yes


"yes"



"we've had this conversation"

"we understand symbiosis"


+++
?
'track 3'
+++
smashing pumpkins
'1979'
+++

we had kuta bee nests in th

bananas

+++

surrounded by th swarm
of native stingless bees

six acres of bananas
surrounding th house


in th volcano of
kuta

+++


1979



i feed th wild pigs
in th pens

th cows
horse

ducks
chickens

snakes

rats

mice and other life

living on our farm


+++


why ya wanna kill my rats ?

they harm you ?



they love th session room
and when they get really stoned

they fall off th rafters and

land in th beanbag and


relax for a bit


till they come to and


ah XXXX

i'm with th humans



and walks out of th room


too stoend to run

+++
basement jaxx
'where's your head at'
+++


take two

sorry i slipped away




i didn t believe




you had gone to bed


your bed
your telly


same rules we grew up with


dont get caught

+++

it was a basement


in th laundry

i dunno


just wanted my lounge room in th laundry


th truly weird thing is


i didnt smoek pot at th time

only my friends did


and i'd sit near th door


+++


laughin at everythin

+++

hey dallas

ya should meet my current lesbian friend


ah wait
she's XXXXin a guy


when she comes to her senses

"alright jennifer"


it's all balance

"you talk more than me"

+++


well...


+++
the offspring
'walla walla'
+++

it's gotta be
really XXXXin simple

to confuse
so many ppl

+++


world of opposites



harry potter's not real

and got no real magic


not even a potter


i am real

a wizard

make pottery whistles like

th one hangin around my neck
ocarinas and


i dont have any money

if i dont get that sub
i dont smoke ciggies tomorrow


i draw th line somewhere

+++
icehouse (with chrissie amphlett)
'love in motion'
+++


"give it up jenny"
"ya XXXXed th voice last night"

"i be talkin funny for days"

said i was replete just


i wanna fly

+++

gotta move th xf


th real world


never entirely goes away



here


suck down a cone whiel i'm gone


a bong dickhead




[shakes head and XXXXs off]

+++

it's a crazy world of opposites we live in
i'm just an idiot on a unicycle


just ask some XXXXhead
in th street


hang on
dont ask

he'll say it anyway

+++


the theory of everything

+++


first principal of


engineering is


KISS



K eep

I t

S imple

S tupid

+++

everything
is about balance

if this physical reality

has infinity

on that side of th line


has to be balanced by

infinity

this side of th line


+++
tool
'hooker with a penis'
+++

do ya listen to th lyrics ?
<<<smiel >>>


we play games in th street with
do ya listen to th lyrics ?

+++



i do things my way
frequently

the wrong way
ya dont find

th keys to th universe
by following XXXXing rules

+++


i am the lethal kadaitcha man

called the land surfer


pronounced

as always


the kadaitcha man of australia


and i am

licensed to kill

+++
pj harvey
'down by the water'
+++


karma says ya gotta deserve it

it's gotta pass

god's inspection


everything
everywhere
everywhen

ya cant beat karma


it is god

+++

five years
as an unpaid

street entertainer
karma and i are

very good friends

+++

ya have to know how th world works
and be bold


and not afraid to experiment
i surf on my unicycle in th surf


but i can do most things



<<<smiel >>>

+++
coldplay
'speed of sound'
+++


how do we break th speed of light ?

gravity has already done that

+++


we love to name things
we dont understand

give it a label and
move on

+++

like th bear in th himalayas


th english

thought there were three species



th germans found

there was only one

+++

after th earthquake in aceh

th indonesians and th


aceh ppl

came to some agreement


now they touting that


india and pakistan
have actually opened th inner border of

another country

+++

my nepalese friend

you were very cut at me



kashmir will rise

again


from th rubble

which is to your good

+++
neil young
'the needle and the damage done'
+++


now will ya shut th XXXX up robbie plant ?


+++


i stuffed
stairway to heaven over
hotel california

why dont ya go listen to th original


poor bastards ya


killem with yur


pls play it again

pls play it again

+++
kristin hersh and michael stipe
'your ghost'
+++


ya give them a hard enough time
replicate what ya did

oen afternoon

XXXXed out of yur mind and


man th top shelf pussy


XXXX i was never so inspired



wot i call verve


+++


we never play th same song twice and
thats; th way it;s been for

thousands of years of human history
before some bugger decided to record it

and sell it

+++

and th XXXXin copppers

pour out our drink


in the fortitude valley

while a man is singin to his ppl


cause it got alcohol in it

+++

thousands of years

th walking crowd would

throw th minstrel a drink


one guy last night

+++
pink floyd

'pigs on the wing'(pt 1)
+++


are we over regulated

or what ?


+++

street's full of drunks

we're keepin em peaceful


stayed away from our wilder stuff and

playin elevator music
with edge



to keeep th oversize crowd



tame

+++
moby
'porcelain'
+++


ya dumb pig cunts


+++


"they study mob psychology jennifer"
so do we

+++


we kept th tone

mellow and i


avoided th lower register

sang liek a chick most of th night


watch that ya
dont judge me by that

sweet black honey drippin singin voice
under th

mass of ringlets and curls

every muscle defined and



toned

i've had


four hours

ridin th 24 inch unicycle


amazed

thousands


i am everywhere

and singin on most of th street corners


i'm there

even when i'm not there

+++

and sittin in th car havin a joint
and another bourbon

+++
george
'rain'
+++

ninety five percent plus

i'm back in th car
i fit's gunna rain

unless i'm lookin forward to it

ride down th centre of

th widest city street

bout midnight

arms held out



looking up


flying between th buildings



th legs just


goin roudn by themselves



on atuomatic

knwo they;re down there somewhere


stopped thinkin about it

a long time ago

intrigued by


flying thru th buildings




[police siren]



ah yeah gday




yeah man



my helmet ?


i 'll get a light

seem to have forgotten it


"i dont need it"

"comfortable ridin with my eyes closed"

<<<smile >>>


+++

we havent done th back street for a while

"so down th centre of th road"
"Whiel we were runnin th light last night"
"Wasnt hard enough for you jennifer ?"

i was thinkin of

gettin pulled

gravity

from th cars

and especially that truck



"you have to turn sight off to feel it"

+++
radiohead
'karma police'
+++


ok this is th karma cops


this kadaitcha man wants


dr death rubbed



dont give me th details

just do it



wot's this twelve days shit ?


my contracts go out
in seven days


i'm readin

dr azahari's death notic ein th papr

twelve days later


i'm not XXXXing impressed



how are my clients going to feel ?


when ya mess it up - lyric


dont give me this shit i


mentioned there were

two dr deaths

immediately after i


pointed th boen of death

and started singin



its not XXXXin good enough



next cunt i want whacked

you
do im

on th XXXXin day



none of this i was confused shit


oif you were that XXXXin confused

why didnt ya whack



dr death from th bundaberg


hospital

+++
?
'CWMFilm'
+++


nicole kidman

'come what may'

+++

i'm not impressed
i dig


our religion is kuta
and this dr death


way sweeter a kill
we're jack of these XXXXin killer doctors

hiding
in th system

+++

it was a damning report

+++

i landed in th bundaberg hospital with multiple

wasp stings

+++


they did me a favour though

i'm not allergic to bees anymore

not as bad anyway


+++


our bees dont have stings

+++
do re mi
'warnings moving clockwise'
+++

if th heart of everything is

nothing


wot is reality ?



wot is a solipsist bible ?

+++

not every word
in a solipsist bible

is true
it mirrors th world

+++

but to see truth
to see forward and gain

truth from th future

you have to give



truth in th present

and be truthful about your past



only by sharing




will humanity


join

+++


if a hostile alien
was comin at th earth

+++
nirvana
'something in the way'
+++


the religion of kuta broadcasts

to th known and unknown universe


i got bigger concerns than you puppies

+++


we're armed
and we're dangerous
and this is how we conduct our affairs

we may be
petri dish scum
but we wont stay that way

if you get this signal
somewhere out there
in th void


then you've received my other signals
we will not tolerate interference
from outside

in our affairs

+++
arlo guthrie
'now and then'
+++


hello again - lyric

first words in song


+++


comin after you alcor

i know yr there

+++


i know yur gunna be a XXXXin problem

+++


i am not coppin a fine

ya can get XXXXed


we break

the rules of th universe


i dont obey yours

+++
dire straights
'money for nothing'
+++

besides which

th last cop psychologist


to have a wee chat

was not convinced you could


incarcerate me

my savages testicles



beyond medical comprehension


a get out of jail free card

i get blue balls

"aching testicles"
"make sense for a wizard to have a curse"


every day


worse if i talk to you
if yr a girl


but i'm not a savage



so i


ride my unicycle for a coupel of hours and

all comfortably numb

and kinda heat rashed


that and a coupel of cones of marijuana


and i sit int h street

and happily



make music to pretty girls




what did you see

last night


in th fortitude valley mall

riding a unicycle and singing


clad only in a pair of jeans




<<<smile >>>


dont judge a book by it's cover

it might be infinite...

..
..
..


jenny

and

"paulei"

's


diary





shut ya stupid XXXXin thing

'talk to it nice"
"it's magic"

close says a me

+++++++++++++++

p.s.

was off

i got my sub

i can smoke tomorrow


+++


whiel i was doin that


thought i'd eyeball alcor

she's in th sky

where i call

the three sisters




sure enough


i turn straight to er in th sky

wherever she is




and a meteor goes past

ten seconds into my eyeballs can




figure i;ve got

one evil eye

and

one good eye


i'm a black tracker



a shooting star

goes hurtling past th three sisters




hmm
a sign

+++


ok


+++

my crystal blue
balls


tell me to
be wary of you


i trust them


+++

kuta lady is home again
next door


screaming goin on
shutup chrissie

oh
sorry

we affect her bad paulie
"i know"

+++

you named me

kuta man before the kuta beach bombings



i'm psychic

but i dont see everything


one of it's drawbacks

and it's saviours


none of us really saw

what calling me that name would


do

+++
pj harvey
'working for the man'
+++


if i chop off th nuts
and become jennifer

liek th good doctor in
bundaberg suggested


i'll lose my
sensitivity


i cant expect
that th female of our species

will look after me
i better find other ways

bein honest with them
was a complete waste of time

+++


last resort is of course
electro ejaculation



my blue balls can kill me
have done several times

pain shock


who gives a XXXX



i got a unicycle

and marijuana


and half a brain


"i got th other half"



we'll make it




i ejaculate
therefore i am

..
..

the land surfer

+++
led zeppelin
'the rain song'
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