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Young Westerner weeks enlightenment.

Nathan Vandermur

2004-10-04, 2:23 am

How does one find an appropriate guru? I like Pilot Baba, but he lives
in India, far away. I don't know about going to India. What is the
fastest way to enlightenment for a presently undisciplined person like
myself? How does one find an ideal teaching?

What are the best monasteries/ashrams in the United States? Which ones
can one just go and live at? that don't charge rent?

I am very serious. In my opinion, there is nothing for me to do but
pursue one-pointedly my enlgihtenment. I am lacking in knowing the
Western resources, specifically in the United States. I don't know
what to do/where to go.

Good information is highly appreciated. Thank you.

J.D. Campbell

2004-10-04, 2:23 am

Group: alt.yoga Date: Sun, Sep 26, 2004, 1:21am (CDT-2) From:
asidseems@yahoo.com (Nathan=A0Vandermur)

How does one find an appropriate guru?

The exact way its always been when you find anything else you desire
greatly it appears out of nowhere just there and as any other found
obgect just as you thought it was to be....a piece of clothing or
jewelry just appears and you find it unresistable because of all reasons
normally you refuse these found things you cant now as it fits with no
restrictions of any kind to your unique conditions of having these
material items.

I like Pilot Baba, but he lives in India, far away. I don't know about
going to India.

Who doesnt grin like pilot so what i knew him in los angles when he was
in the air force in india and i was a pre teen and i never had to go to
india......lets say the first step is to find the idenity comes later as
first you see the obgect then later your desires id it but find preceeds
obtainment......then when he was in LA i stopped by many years later
looked the same as always or how i remember him. Probably the best
person on the planet with kids as over the centuries to come he was that
guy.

You might be a little late here finding the same way that many do as in
the wrong way as not actually finding but responding.

Which might be your trouble reaction is not finding and your choices
might be based reaction instead.

What is the fastest way to enlightenment for a presently undisciplined
person like myself?

Who knows who cares nobodies concern in the matters of gawd surely not
mine.

How does one find an ideal teaching?
Yellow pages is really good let your fingertips do the walking.

What are the best monasteries/ashrams in the United States? Which ones
can one just go and live at? that don't charge rent?

Public library park bench and lots of women go there with nothing to do
looking for handsome intelligent men with jobs spiritually calm and a
life.

I am very serious. In my opinion, there is nothing for me to do but
pursue one-pointedly my enlgihtenment. I am lacking in knowing the
Western resources, specifically in the United States. I don't know what
to do/where to go.

Good information is highly appreciated. Thank you.

Well i always had a van for shelter that was easy to afford repair and i
went to shows parties parks games casual jobs motels hotels events non
stop for near 2 decades never anyplace to long but i had this monostary
picked out already just trouble to find it as i had to again id it after
i found it as previously suspecting but yet unfound ....Me not the guru
type as when your younger you want women and being around someone elses
thing theres always rules.Now one could force nature say resist or go
along mind your owen biz live an ordinary life no rules except common
public decentecy politeful whatever.....

They all start late these guys after thier teens tweenties on as thats
all thats left or something .Myself i started so young and no hurry
either cause i knew it was going to be a lifetime.

I wish everyone could find happiness as that male female original plan
dream concept because if NOT that leads to the social co-ed world of aka
churchs ashrams libraries public lectures on all subgects etc as an
adult outlet.....these things as the social healing boy meets girl or
many think so a second childhood in a rent free school coed man why not.
Well gee i think you should send a couple dollars a week faithfully to
ol pilot and that would probably teach you everything you need to know
just how to come up with $2 a week all your discipline issues might be
solved in year after year.

Besides you seem to like his stuff why not help instead think it comes
from out of the blue made for you rather a cheesy stomach feeling i get
.......its a nice confession i like this but cant stuff the whole cake
down my throat well how about contributing instead then your part
instead of someone with eyes way too big.

Then you can see if what you really desire is what you really desire
perhaps some lady might come along on this road you supporting both you
and something else as they require support also...Might as the get one
has to have extra room to put..

You know buffalo new york you can buy or get next to free houses by the
hundreds daily or Pittsburgh Pennsylvannia or Flint michigan all fixers
back taxs any small town america .........your rather slow.........nite
jd

cup o' tea

2004-10-04, 2:23 am

asidseems@yahoo.com (Nathan Vandermur) wrote in message news:<ef0c401f.0409260021.4e670035@posting.google.com>...

> What is the fastest way to enlightenment for a presently undisciplined person like
> myself?

I can't promise it's the fastest, but I would recommend a good
vipassana group. Good luck.

naked_ape

2004-10-04, 2:23 am

"XXX, grass, or gas: No one rides for free." Damn, I miss the 60s. It was my
youth. I should have taken more pictures. .. Ape;))

"Allen L. Barker" <alb@datafilter.com> wrote in message
news:4YE5d.3366$Ki1.291@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> Nathan Vandermur wrote:
>
> You seem sure of the "enlightenment" you are seeking, but unsure
> of who can teach it to you. In reality, you are just attached to
> a word and a concept: "enlightenment." You seem to be in some
> desperate situation (to take your post at face value) where you
> are willing to take anything that comes along that promises you
> "enlightenment." The idea of a formula for finding the "ideal
> teaching" is a joke. "Young Westerner" in the title seems like
> some anachronism from the 60s. Are you still with me?
>
>
> You come across as quite desperate, and naive, too. You are
> giving off the scent of shit to every lowlife exploitative
> phony-guru fly there is. You want it rent-free? You'd better
> hope you are real lucky and happen to come across some sincere
> people willing to deal with your crap. As long as we've got the
> 60s rehash going, here's another one: "XXX, grass, or gas: No one
> rides for free." Ha ha, that is so funny. I've been waiting to
> use that for years (though it may be 70s kitsch rather than 60s
> kitsch, for all I know). The metaphor should be clear enough,
> or maybe not. I could quote you some relevant Joshu koans, or
> something, but at this point I wouldn't waste them on you.
>
>
> Here's some good information: get a better understanding of what
> you're looking for. Practice on your own for a while, at least
> until you have a better idea of what you're looking for than you've
> expressed above. And don't troll, if that's what you're doing --
> it is bad karma.
>
> YOU'RE WELCOME (and don't crosspost to alt.zen if you don't want
> it straight)
>
>
> --
> Mind Control: TT&P ==> http://www.datafilter.com/mc
> Home page: http://www.datafilter.com/alb
> Allen Barker
>

Evelyn Ruut

2004-10-04, 2:23 am

"naked_ape" <naked_apes@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:wYJ6d.4531$8H1.3051@trnddc08...
> "XXX, grass, or gas: No one rides for free." Damn, I miss the 60s. It was
> my youth. I should have taken more pictures. .. Ape;))

The 60's still exist here in Woodstock NY. No kidding. The only
difference is that the hippies all have grey hair now :-)
--
Regards,
Evelyn

(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

Rosebud

2004-10-04, 2:23 am

asidseems@yahoo.com (Nathan Vandermur) wrote in message news:<ef0c401f.0409260021.4e670035@posting.google.com>...
> How does one find an appropriate guru? I like Pilot Baba, but he lives
> in India, far away. I don't know about going to India. What is the
> fastest way to enlightenment for a presently undisciplined person like
> myself? How does one find an ideal teaching?
>
> What are the best monasteries/ashrams in the United States? Which ones
> can one just go and live at? that don't charge rent?
>
> I am very serious. In my opinion, there is nothing for me to do but
> pursue one-pointedly my enlgihtenment. I am lacking in knowing the
> Western resources, specifically in the United States. I don't know
> what to do/where to go.
>
> Good information is highly appreciated. Thank you.

rosebud:
A loaded smith&wesson aimed directly at your forehead can be the
fastest path to enlightenment. However, one still needs to loose
ones's attachment to self presevation.

naked_ape

2004-10-04, 2:23 am

"Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:wvR6d.49364$Ot3.16392@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> "naked_ape" <naked_apes@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:wYJ6d.4531$8H1.3051@trnddc08...
>
> The 60's still exist here in Woodstock NY. No kidding. The only
> difference is that the hippies all have grey hair now :-)
> --
> Regards,
> Evelyn
>
> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

I'm growing a beard, and yes, it's gray. .. Ape;)

Evelyn Ruut

2004-10-04, 2:23 am

"naked_ape" <naked_apes@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Uq07d.4628$8H1.2733@trnddc08...
>
> "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:wvR6d.49364$Ot3.16392@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>
> I'm growing a beard, and yes, it's gray. .. Ape;)

I haven't grown a beard yet :-)
(and hope I don't ever)

But there are some suspiciously grey looking roots on my reddish blonde
hair.
--
Regards,
Evelyn

(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

2004-10-04, 2:23 am

Nathan Vandermur wrote:

> How does one find an appropriate guru? I like Pilot Baba, but he lives
> in India, far away. I don't know about going to India. What is the
> fastest way to enlightenment for a presently undisciplined person like
> myself? How does one find an ideal teaching?

Go out into the woods in the evening and take a huge dose of LSD.

FFF
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

That Guy

2004-10-04, 2:23 am

"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <dirk@neopax.com> wrote in message
news:2rtg0jF1en9lcU3@uni-berlin.de...
> Nathan Vandermur wrote:
>
>
> Go out into the woods in the evening and take a huge dose of LSD.

Or even better, don't.

iirc

2004-10-04, 2:24 am

Dirk Bruere at Neopax <dirk@neopax.com> wrote in message news:<2rtg0jF1en9lcU3@uni-berlin.de>...
> Nathan Vandermur wrote:
>
>
> Go out into the woods in the evening and take a huge dose of LSD.
>

on a full moon night.

after a week of preparation of prayer, fasting, etc.

avoid all gurus like the plague, they are all stark raving mad.

or just read 'The Lazy Man's Guide to Enlightenment' by
Thaddeus Golas, testimonial evidence
by one of the rare LSD success stories, available on line.

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

2004-10-07, 4:08 am

iirc wrote:

> Dirk Bruere at Neopax <dirk@neopax.com> wrote in message news:<2rtg0jF1en9lcU3@uni-berlin.de>...
>
>
>
> on a full moon night.
>
> after a week of preparation of prayer, fasting, etc.
>
> avoid all gurus like the plague, they are all stark raving mad.
>
> or just read 'The Lazy Man's Guide to Enlightenment' by
> Thaddeus Golas, testimonial evidence
> by one of the rare LSD success stories, available on line.

LSD 'successes' are rare because...
(a) Most people who take acid do it for 'fun'
(b) Most are too young (teens or early 20s)
(c) Most acid is too weak
(d) A bad trip scares the shit out of them and they never touch it again

If it is done as part of a focussed program of exploration it can be very useful.

FFF
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

unhacker

2004-11-01, 7:12 pm

"That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message;
> Go out into the woods in the evening and take a huge dose of LSD.

I'm not enlightened, or even knowledgeable - but I did, in my time,
drop enough acid to melt a block of granite - I was a bird, once, for
about a week - I once did not exist for at least 2 days - I've painted
walls with my voice...

....none of these experiences got me any closer to understanding, IMHO.
If they offered any advantage, perhaps only slightly, it was just in
the illustration of this false impression of reality being quite so
solid. Nifty, but not straight-seeing in itself is it?

Someone, please explain what I missed of my lsd experiences??

Besides, how can one see clearly if one is inebriated?

Peace,
G

"That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message news:<KKOdnQzNK-ewR8DcRVn-vw@giganews.com>...
> "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <dirk@neopax.com> wrote in message
> news:2rtg0jF1en9lcU3@uni-berlin.de...
>
> Or even better, don't.

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

2004-11-01, 7:12 pm

unhacker wrote:

> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message;
>
>
>
> I'm not enlightened, or even knowledgeable - but I did, in my time,
> drop enough acid to melt a block of granite - I was a bird, once, for
> about a week - I once did not exist for at least 2 days - I've painted
> walls with my voice...
>
> ...none of these experiences got me any closer to understanding, IMHO.
> If they offered any advantage, perhaps only slightly, it was just in
> the illustration of this false impression of reality being quite so
> solid. Nifty, but not straight-seeing in itself is it?
>
> Someone, please explain what I missed of my lsd experiences??

Focus
I bet you just dropped acid with no preparation or plan, and no analytical followup.

FFF
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

David

2004-11-01, 7:12 pm

unhacker wrote:

> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message;
>
>
>
> I'm not enlightened, or even knowledgeable - but I did, in my time,
> drop enough acid to melt a block of granite - I was a bird, once, for
> about a week - I once did not exist for at least 2 days - I've painted
> walls with my voice...
>
> ...none of these experiences got me any closer to understanding, IMHO.
> If they offered any advantage, perhaps only slightly, it was just in
> the illustration of this false impression of reality being quite so
> solid. Nifty, but not straight-seeing in itself is it?
>
> Someone, please explain what I missed of my lsd experiences??
>
> Besides, how can one see clearly if one is inebriated?
>
> Peace,
> G

Like you, G., I've done enough LSD to be considered an "expert." The
most you can say about it's relationship to enlightenment is that it
gives you a key to a door that's already wide open.

David

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> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message news:<KKOdnQzNK-ewR8DcRVn-vw@giganews.com>...
>

Zoi

2004-11-01, 7:12 pm

> ...none of these experiences got me any closer to understanding, IMHO.
> If they offered any advantage, perhaps only slightly, it was just in
> the illustration of this false impression of reality being quite so
> solid. Nifty, but not straight-seeing in itself is it?
>
> Someone, please explain what I missed of my lsd experiences??
>
> Besides, how can one see clearly if one is inebriated?
>
> Peace,
> G

I really liked how you explain the "advantage" of LSD (or maybe any drug) in
the sense that yes, we do see that reality is more malleable. I think that,
in and of itself, can be a real eye-opener for some people. Maybe more so
for some?

I took a lot of acid for a few years, and I felt like my head stretched a
bit, like stretching after taking a nap, using "muscles" I wasn't
previously aware of... but it's a very, very limited experience, imo. And
absolutely, when you're on LSD, you're not seeing any more clearly than
before; you're just seeing a *different* reality. The lesson is in
realizing all realities are subject to things like perception, chemicals,
etc.

It is in the precepts not to take intoxicants. It's almost like trying to
take a short cut, but in terms of spiritual paths there are not shortcuts.
Enlightenment doesn't come in pill form, I don't think. ;-)

Zoi

David

2004-11-04, 10:10 pm

unhacker wrote:

> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message;
>
>
>
> I'm not enlightened, or even knowledgeable - but I did, in my time,
> drop enough acid to melt a block of granite - I was a bird, once, for
> about a week - I once did not exist for at least 2 days - I've painted
> walls with my voice...
>
> ...none of these experiences got me any closer to understanding, IMHO.
> If they offered any advantage, perhaps only slightly, it was just in
> the illustration of this false impression of reality being quite so
> solid. Nifty, but not straight-seeing in itself is it?
>
> Someone, please explain what I missed of my lsd experiences??
>
> Besides, how can one see clearly if one is inebriated?
>
> Peace,
> G

Like you, G., I've done enough LSD to be considered an "expert." The
most you can say about it's relationship to enlightenment is that it
gives you a key to a door that's already wide open.

David

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> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message news:<KKOdnQzNK-ewR8DcRVn-vw@giganews.com>...
>

unhacker

2004-11-05, 7:13 am

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

2004-11-05, 7:13 am

Zoi

2004-11-07, 7:11 pm

David

2004-11-08, 7:08 am

unhacker wrote:

> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message;
>
>
>
> I'm not enlightened, or even knowledgeable - but I did, in my time,
> drop enough acid to melt a block of granite - I was a bird, once, for
> about a week - I once did not exist for at least 2 days - I've painted
> walls with my voice...
>
> ...none of these experiences got me any closer to understanding, IMHO.
> If they offered any advantage, perhaps only slightly, it was just in
> the illustration of this false impression of reality being quite so
> solid. Nifty, but not straight-seeing in itself is it?
>
> Someone, please explain what I missed of my lsd experiences??
>
> Besides, how can one see clearly if one is inebriated?
>
> Peace,
> G

Like you, G., I've done enough LSD to be considered an "expert." The
most you can say about it's relationship to enlightenment is that it
gives you a key to a door that's already wide open.

David

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> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message news:<KKOdnQzNK-ewR8DcRVn-vw@giganews.com>...
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