Prostate - BPH Advice

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BPH Advice

Jerry

2004-10-27, 10:10 pm

I am a 42 year old that has had frequent urination and urgency for the
past four years or so. It has been gradually getting worse with
relatively frequent flank pain that resolves itself within a few days.

Two years ago, during a routine physical my physician detected a
nodule on my prostate and referred me to a urologist. The urologist
did a PSA and recommended a biopsy. I had a prostate biopsy in
December of 2002. Biopsy was negative for cancer.

In January of 2003 I went on Flomax to increase flow and reduce
frequency. Treatment was mildly successful with some improvement but
signifigant side effects so I discontinued the Flomax and just lived
with the problem.

I returned to the urologist in September of this year and had
Urodynamic study performed and a bladder ultrasound. The urologist
diagnosed urinary retention and very weak flow. He scheduled a
cystoscopy and direct vision urethrotomy. Cystoscopy and urethrotomy
performed on Thursday, October 7 at an uutpatient clinic. Developed
severe flank pain, high fever, blood and clots in urine. On Tuesday,
Oct 12, called the urologist and was placed on three days of Cipro.
Fever continued and Wednesday, October 13, went to the minor emergency
clinic where I was given an injection of Rocephrin. Flank pain and
fever continued overnight with periodic episodes of very difficult
unirnation. Went to the emergency room on Thursday morning where IV
Rocephrin was administered as well as a CAT scan. CAT scan was
negative. While in the ER, had several episodes of urgency but was
not able to urinate. Discharged from the ER at approximately 11:30.
Ate a small lunch and went home to rest. At approximately 2:00 PM
developed urgent need to urinate, however, was unable to produce any
urine. Called the urologists office and was told to come to his
office. Pain and discomfort increased to very high levels and was
unable to sit or stand upright. My spouse took me back to the ER
where I was readmitted, given Demerol and a Foley catheter was placed.
Approximately 800ml of urine was drained. Was admitted to hospital
overnight and discharged with the following day. Catheter was removed
at home on October 18th .

Subsequently, fever and flank pain has resolved with occasional mild
left flank pain. Since the catheter was removed, I have had three to
four episodes of very delayed urination (waiting for up to three
minutes for urination to start).

Questions:
Does this sound like BPH? Can it develop at age 42?

I am not very happy with the lack of information I have been receiving
from my urologist so I am scheduled to see a second urologist next
week for a second opinion. Am I being unreasonable?

What are the chances of not being able to urinate again? That was the
worst pain I have ever had and was in complete misery.

Any other advice from the group?

Steve

2004-10-27, 10:10 pm

I was on Cipro for 8 weeks and had no side effects.
But one day on Levaquin and i was sick like food poisoning.

I have taken Cipro once or twice before with no problems,

I was taking it for prostites and it worked for me.

I understand the both drugs are about the same but
Something must be different to effect me in two different ways.
Also on Proscar for 6 months and that also is working.
I guess i am fooling myself and sooner or later I'll have to do the PVP
Am 64

Steve

bu2" <bu2@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:xnOfd.11316$Qs6.1135203@news20.bellglobal.com...
>I took a 500 mg dose daily for 27 consecutive days. I knew of
> some of the possible side effects but was reassured by my uro
> and the pharmacist(s).
>
> On day 2 I had a severe case of anxiety. Of course it was weekend
> so I spoke to my pharmacist. She assured me I had "nothing to
> worry about" and besides if I stopped taking it "they would just start
> the whole thing all over again!"
>
> I had a few other episodes of the same but not as strong. Other
> symptoms followed until I complained bitterly and Levaquin was
> discontinued. I was offered Cipro and I refused flatly as it is simply
> an older cousin of Levaquin. I have not been on Levaquin for over
> a month now.
>
> Here are the side effects I experienced because of, or at least I "credit"
> Levaquin with:
>
> - dry eyes especially the left one ( I am taking Genteal drops for it)
> - itchy eyes especially the left one (that has mostly stopped)
> - a TIA incident that landed me in ER - it was mostly my left eye
> (Transient Ischemic Attack also known as "mini stroke"
> True it was never established that Levaquin caused it.
> However, no cause has been found after numerous tests
> including two ultra sound tests of the carotids and the
> heart, blood tests etc etc I still have to go for a CT Scan
> of { my silly :-) } head - I also saw two eye specialists.
> The second ophtalmologist felt I probably had an ocular
> migrene, not a TIA - my point being: induced by Levaquin)
> - seeing shimmering especially on the left side (still happens)
> - some light pain in the eyes (gone since)
> - anxiety (still there sometimes)
> - joints aching especially left knee and the right elbow (still there)
> - some confusion and inability to concentrate (still there occasionally)
> - stool problems almost like diarrhea and very dark (gone)
> - my hemorrhoid problems reactivated (much improved since)
> - a tic on the right side of my upper lip (still there)
> - backache (improved since I stopped the medication)
> - some stomach cramps (now I am much better)
> - pain and itching around the ankles (mostly gone)
> - tightness in the lower jaw (it's almost 100% gone)
> - sleeping problems (this has improved)
>
> I also started reading at various sites and groups that discuss this
> matter.
> For instance the yahoo discussion group on quinolones. Found out that
> there a lot of people who are far, far worse than I am to the point where
> I should really not complain.
>
> I think my main points are:
> - quinolones should be the last resort not the first remedy they reach
> for.
> - the doctors and other medical professionals generally appear not to
> know a lot about prostate problems and remedies.
> - it appears Levaquin and other drugs (e.g. 12 days of metronidazole
> etc)
> did not make a difference except to cause me problems.
>
>
> "MB_" <mel@prodigy.invalid.net> wrote in message
> news:10nu9ah4ilud7b2@corp.supernews.com...
>
>

MB_

2004-10-28, 2:08 am

Interesting.

I had taken levaquin a few times for sinus infections and it worked well.

But, the last time I developed severe shoulder problem (rotator cuff/frozen
shoulder). I had to have months of painful therapy but it eventually totally
resolved. Never could pin it on levaquin, but later on there were reports of
such problems from the drug.

Mel
"bu2" <bu2@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:xnOfd.11316$Qs6.1135203@news20.bellglobal.com...
>I took a 500 mg dose daily for 27 consecutive days. I knew of
> some of the possible side effects but was reassured by my uro
> and the pharmacist(s).
>
> On day 2 I had a severe case of anxiety. Of course it was weekend
> so I spoke to my pharmacist. She assured me I had "nothing to
> worry about" and besides if I stopped taking it "they would just start
> the whole thing all over again!"
>
> I had a few other episodes of the same but not as strong. Other
> symptoms followed until I complained bitterly and Levaquin was
> discontinued. I was offered Cipro and I refused flatly as it is simply
> an older cousin of Levaquin. I have not been on Levaquin for over
> a month now.
>
> Here are the side effects I experienced because of, or at least I "credit"
> Levaquin with:
>
> - dry eyes especially the left one ( I am taking Genteal drops for it)
> - itchy eyes especially the left one (that has mostly stopped)
> - a TIA incident that landed me in ER - it was mostly my left eye
> (Transient Ischemic Attack also known as "mini stroke"
> True it was never established that Levaquin caused it.
> However, no cause has been found after numerous tests
> including two ultra sound tests of the carotids and the
> heart, blood tests etc etc I still have to go for a CT Scan
> of { my silly :-) } head - I also saw two eye specialists.
> The second ophtalmologist felt I probably had an ocular
> migrene, not a TIA - my point being: induced by Levaquin)
> - seeing shimmering especially on the left side (still happens)
> - some light pain in the eyes (gone since)
> - anxiety (still there sometimes)
> - joints aching especially left knee and the right elbow (still there)
> - some confusion and inability to concentrate (still there occasionally)
> - stool problems almost like diarrhea and very dark (gone)
> - my hemorrhoid problems reactivated (much improved since)
> - a tic on the right side of my upper lip (still there)
> - backache (improved since I stopped the medication)
> - some stomach cramps (now I am much better)
> - pain and itching around the ankles (mostly gone)
> - tightness in the lower jaw (it's almost 100% gone)
> - sleeping problems (this has improved)
>
> I also started reading at various sites and groups that discuss this
> matter.
> For instance the yahoo discussion group on quinolones. Found out that
> there a lot of people who are far, far worse than I am to the point where
> I should really not complain.
>
> I think my main points are:
> - quinolones should be the last resort not the first remedy they reach
> for.
> - the doctors and other medical professionals generally appear not to
> know a lot about prostate problems and remedies.
> - it appears Levaquin and other drugs (e.g. 12 days of metronidazole
> etc)
> did not make a difference except to cause me problems.
>
>
> "MB_" <mel@prodigy.invalid.net> wrote in message
> news:10nu9ah4ilud7b2@corp.supernews.com...
>
>

bu2

2004-10-28, 7:11 pm

Of course I know that untold numbers of people have taken
Levaquin (Levofloxacin) and other fluroquinole based drugs.
We do not know for sure but we can assume that only a few
patients exhibit serious side effects. The problem is some of
these side effects are actually irreversible damage.

Recently I found out that fluoroquinolones such as Cipro, Pequin,
Levofloxacin (Levaquin) etc are actually NOT antibiotics at all
although they are marketed as such.

It seems fluoroquinolone drugs are man made chemotherapeutic
antibacterial agent. They have been genetically engineered to destroy
the DNA of the bacteria. I suspect their continued use, at least
in some cases, may do severe damage to the body and kill off the
beneficial bacteria we all carry in our guts etc.

Antibiotics are substances produced as metabolic products of one
microorganism, to inhibit or kill other microorganisms. Antibiotics
may exhibit adverse drug reactions but such reactions resolve
upon cessation of therapy or modification of the therapeutic dose.

Of course I am not an expert but you can search the net and find
all kinds of material on the subject.

"MB_" <mel@prodigy.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:10o0sb585kuqk45@corp.supernews.com...
> Interesting.
>
> I had taken levaquin a few times for sinus infections and it worked well.
>
> But, the last time I developed severe shoulder problem (rotator
> cuff/frozen shoulder). I had to have months of painful therapy but it
> eventually totally resolved. Never could pin it on levaquin, but later on
> there were reports of such problems from the drug.
>

Dan

2004-10-28, 7:11 pm

Well Cipro can certainly do damage to the unwary. In 2002 I did the
Annapurna Circuit and took ciprofloaxin following a severe stomach bug.
While still taking the cipro course we crossed a pass at altitude in snow
and bright sunshine. The next day my face blew up like a balloon, even
though I had used sunscreen and am dark skinned and never burnt before. It
was a year later that I heard on the radio (Jimmy Young Show) that Cipro
increases the skin's photo sensitivity and can cause swelling and severe
burning if you are exposed to the sun. See
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/daniel.f/kagbeni.htm and click on the photo of
me to see my elephant man impression in all it's glory.
Huw

"bu2" <bu2@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:EW9gd.17321$Qs6.1480557@news20.bellglobal.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> Of course I know that untold numbers of people have taken
> Levaquin (Levofloxacin) and other fluroquinole based drugs.
> We do not know for sure but we can assume that only a few
> patients exhibit serious side effects. The problem is some of
> these side effects are actually irreversible damage.
>
> Recently I found out that fluoroquinolones such as Cipro, Pequin,
> Levofloxacin (Levaquin) etc are actually NOT antibiotics at all
> although they are marketed as such.
>
> It seems fluoroquinolone drugs are man made chemotherapeutic
> antibacterial agent. They have been genetically engineered to destroy
> the DNA of the bacteria. I suspect their continued use, at least
> in some cases, may do severe damage to the body and kill off the
> beneficial bacteria we all carry in our guts etc.
>
> Antibiotics are substances produced as metabolic products of one
> microorganism, to inhibit or kill other microorganisms. Antibiotics
> may exhibit adverse drug reactions but such reactions resolve
> upon cessation of therapy or modification of the therapeutic dose.

Derek F.

2004-10-28, 7:11 pm

Where had you been on your last holiday before coming home to start urinary
symptoms?
Derek.
"Dan" <forlorn.hope@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1Sagd.179$ni.27@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> Well Cipro can certainly do damage to the unwary. In 2002 I did the
> Annapurna Circuit and took ciprofloaxin following a severe stomach bug.
> While still taking the cipro course we crossed a pass at altitude in snow
> and bright sunshine. The next day my face blew up like a balloon, even
> though I had used sunscreen and am dark skinned and never burnt before.
> It
> was a year later that I heard on the radio (Jimmy Young Show) that Cipro
> increases the skin's photo sensitivity and can cause swelling and severe
> burning if you are exposed to the sun. See
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/daniel.f/kagbeni.htm and click on the photo
> of
> me to see my elephant man impression in all it's glory.
> Huw
>
>
> "bu2" <bu2@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:EW9gd.17321$Qs6.1480557@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>

Jerry

2004-10-28, 10:08 pm

jcampbell73134@yahoo.com (Jerry) wrote in message news:<afd331db.0410220651.36aff8fe@posting.google.com>...
> I am a 42 year old that has had frequent urination and urgency for the
> past four years or so. It has been gradually getting worse with
> relatively frequent flank pain that resolves itself within a few days.
>
> Two years ago, during a routine physical my physician detected a
> nodule on my prostate and referred me to a urologist. The urologist
> did a PSA and recommended a biopsy. I had a prostate biopsy in
> December of 2002. Biopsy was negative for cancer.
>
> In January of 2003 I went on Flomax to increase flow and reduce
> frequency. Treatment was mildly successful with some improvement but
> signifigant side effects so I discontinued the Flomax and just lived
> with the problem.
>
> I returned to the urologist in September of this year and had
> Urodynamic study performed and a bladder ultrasound. The urologist
> diagnosed urinary retention and very weak flow. He scheduled a
> cystoscopy and direct vision urethrotomy. Cystoscopy and urethrotomy
> performed on Thursday, October 7 at an uutpatient clinic. Developed
> severe flank pain, high fever, blood and clots in urine. On Tuesday,
> Oct 12, called the urologist and was placed on three days of Cipro.
> Fever continued and Wednesday, October 13, went to the minor emergency
> clinic where I was given an injection of Rocephrin. Flank pain and
> fever continued overnight with periodic episodes of very difficult
> unirnation. Went to the emergency room on Thursday morning where IV
> Rocephrin was administered as well as a CAT scan. CAT scan was
> negative. While in the ER, had several episodes of urgency but was
> not able to urinate. Discharged from the ER at approximately 11:30.
> Ate a small lunch and went home to rest. At approximately 2:00 PM
> developed urgent need to urinate, however, was unable to produce any
> urine. Called the urologists office and was told to come to his
> office. Pain and discomfort increased to very high levels and was
> unable to sit or stand upright. My spouse took me back to the ER
> where I was readmitted, given Demerol and a Foley catheter was placed.
> Approximately 800ml of urine was drained. Was admitted to hospital
> overnight and discharged with the following day. Catheter was removed
> at home on October 18th .
>
> Subsequently, fever and flank pain has resolved with occasional mild
> left flank pain. Since the catheter was removed, I have had three to
> four episodes of very delayed urination (waiting for up to three
> minutes for urination to start).
>
> Questions:
> Does this sound like BPH? Can it develop at age 42?
>
> I am not very happy with the lack of information I have been receiving
> from my urologist so I am scheduled to see a second urologist next
> week for a second opinion. Am I being unreasonable?
>
> What are the chances of not being able to urinate again? That was the
> worst pain I have ever had and was in complete misery.
>
> Any other advice from the group?

As a follow up to my original posting. I met with a new Urologist and
he thinks this might be prostatitis that was brought on by the
original biopsy. He prescribed 6 weeks of bactrim which I have
started and have taken now for 5 days. No improvement yet. I drove
five hours for business today and had a lot of difficulty getting a
stream started after waiting till the next rest stop. My wife
suggested I carry a portable urinal. :-( Thanks to everyone for all
the advice. Hopefully the bactrim will help.

Dan

2004-10-29, 4:07 am

Good point! We had been trekking in the Southern Dolomites in Italy. On the
second week it was unusually cold and wet above 8000 feet and I know that on
two days I was very dehydrated as well as being thoroughly chilled, both of
which I'm usually careful to avoid. The second time I foolishly went
straight into dinner and drank wine instead of water to quench my thirst,
and then went to bed, still dehydrated. I asked my GP if this combination
of cold and dehydration could have triggered the initial urine infection and
he thought it was possible, although I had probably been retaining urine for
some time. I guess the big problems are usually brought on by a combination
of circumstances, some of which we could have avoided with hindsight!
By the way our next trek is supposed to be in Ladakh in June, and is all at
altitude, up to 5500 metres. I'm seeing my GP this afternoon to arrange my
appointment with a consultant and I will ask if that sort of trekking, and
also self catheterisation if I still have to do it, is ok with BPH - I do
hope so!
Huw

"Derek F." <Lordpilrig@NOXbtinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Where had you been on your last holiday before coming home to start
urinary
> symptoms?
> Derek.
> "Dan" <forlorn.hope@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:1Sagd.179$ni.27@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
snow[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>

Derek F.

2004-10-29, 7:08 am

"Jerry" <jcampbell73134@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:afd331db.0410281824.207b5b0c@posting.google.com...
> jcampbell73134@yahoo.com (Jerry) wrote in message
> news:<afd331db.0410220651.36aff8fe@posting.google.com>...
>
> As a follow up to my original posting. I met with a new Urologist and
> he thinks this might be prostatitis that was brought on by the
> original biopsy. He prescribed 6 weeks of bactrim which I have
> started and have taken now for 5 days. No improvement yet. I drove
> five hours for business today and had a lot of difficulty getting a
> stream started after waiting till the next rest stop. My wife
> suggested I carry a portable urinal. :-( Thanks to everyone for all
> the advice. Hopefully the bactrim will help.

I had a similar problem after my second biopsy with six weeks of antibiotics
to clear it up.
Derek.

Dave

2004-10-29, 7:16 pm

It could be more than 1 problem (including BPH) but "severe flank pain, high
fever, blood and clots in urine" could very well be kidney stone induced. I
have had 4 episodes of K/S 10 to 15 years ago. It was a XXXXX ! You might
try Cranberry Juice - the real stuff without sugar and usually found in
health stores. It has been known to help defeat the bacteria that causes
urinary tract infections. Also look at your diet and consume lots of water.
Reduce or eliminate coffee, alcohol and stress...

"Jerry" <jcampbell73134@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:afd331db.0410220651.36aff8fe@posting.google.com...
>I am a 42 year old that has had frequent urination and urgency for the
> past four years or so. It has been gradually getting worse with
> relatively frequent flank pain that resolves itself within a few days.
>
> Two years ago, during a routine physical my physician detected a
> nodule on my prostate and referred me to a urologist. The urologist
> did a PSA and recommended a biopsy. I had a prostate biopsy in
> December of 2002. Biopsy was negative for cancer.
>
> In January of 2003 I went on Flomax to increase flow and reduce
> frequency. Treatment was mildly successful with some improvement but
> signifigant side effects so I discontinued the Flomax and just lived
> with the problem.
>
> I returned to the urologist in September of this year and had
> Urodynamic study performed and a bladder ultrasound. The urologist
> diagnosed urinary retention and very weak flow. He scheduled a
> cystoscopy and direct vision urethrotomy. Cystoscopy and urethrotomy
> performed on Thursday, October 7 at an uutpatient clinic. Developed
> severe flank pain, high fever, blood and clots in urine. On Tuesday,
> Oct 12, called the urologist and was placed on three days of Cipro.
> Fever continued and Wednesday, October 13, went to the minor emergency
> clinic where I was given an injection of Rocephrin. Flank pain and
> fever continued overnight with periodic episodes of very difficult
> unirnation. Went to the emergency room on Thursday morning where IV
> Rocephrin was administered as well as a CAT scan. CAT scan was
> negative. While in the ER, had several episodes of urgency but was
> not able to urinate. Discharged from the ER at approximately 11:30.
> Ate a small lunch and went home to rest. At approximately 2:00 PM
> developed urgent need to urinate, however, was unable to produce any
> urine. Called the urologists office and was told to come to his
> office. Pain and discomfort increased to very high levels and was
> unable to sit or stand upright. My spouse took me back to the ER
> where I was readmitted, given Demerol and a Foley catheter was placed.
> Approximately 800ml of urine was drained. Was admitted to hospital
> overnight and discharged with the following day. Catheter was removed
> at home on October 18th .
>
> Subsequently, fever and flank pain has resolved with occasional mild
> left flank pain. Since the catheter was removed, I have had three to
> four episodes of very delayed urination (waiting for up to three
> minutes for urination to start).
>
> Questions:
> Does this sound like BPH? Can it develop at age 42?
>
> I am not very happy with the lack of information I have been receiving
> from my urologist so I am scheduled to see a second urologist next
> week for a second opinion. Am I being unreasonable?
>
> What are the chances of not being able to urinate again? That was the
> worst pain I have ever had and was in complete misery.
>
> Any other advice from the group?

Dan

2004-10-29, 7:16 pm

> I'm seeing my GP this afternoon to arrange my
> appointment with a consultant and I will ask if that sort of trekking, and
> also self catheterisation if I still have to do it, is ok with BPH

Back from Doc's. He said trekking at altitude with BPH is fine, but I may
have to warm the catheters before use as the latex tubes would probably
stiffen in the cold! He also said he would ensure I had antibiotics to take
with me.
I've received a letter putting my first outpatient appointment back from
24th November to 29th December. My GP thinks that will also be cancelled as
it's Xmas week, so I'm probably doing the right thing by seeing the
consultant privately, and he's arranging that for me straight away.
Huw

bu2

2004-10-31, 4:09 am

Sorry to read about your problems. I think you received from the
group a lot of interesting stuff including some really good advice.
I have a similar problem although I am older than you are. My
prostate is a bit enlarged, the left lobe, that is.

I have had a lot of small problems over the years that recently
culminated in continuous although not unbearable pelvic pain. I
had problems with urination for some years now. I got into a
"Urology Wellness Clinic" that has a few people specializing
in treating prostate problems. It was established I suffer from
prostatitis caused by an inflammation and possibly infection of
the prostate.

After some testing etc I was bombarded with a cocktail of antibiotics
for about a month and a few prostate massages. My condition did not
change much but I acquired a lot of new problems that I attribute to
the massages and in particular a drug called Levaquine. The massages
were given not only to acquire the sample of prostatic liquid for testing
but also with the intention of draining out "the bad stuff".

I had a cystoscopy that I could follow on a monitor and there were
blood clots no doubt caused by the procedure itself. Had some
problems afterwards but they subsided in a couple of days.

The side pain I had in the past and it was definitely related to kidney
stones.

Recently they abandoned the massages and heavy drug treatment which
to me meant they admitted they were barking up the wrong tree without
actually saying so.

Now I am taking pure cranberry juice, yogurt with wild bluberries, uva ursi
tea (two weeks on, two weeks off), and two herbal remedies: Prosta Ease and
Prostaphil-2. I also take sitz baths in my bath tub. I feel much better but
not
completely okay.

Make sure you find out if you are, like many others including yours truly,
sensitive to fluroquinole drugs such as Levaquin, Pequin, Cipro etc. If you
are and you still take them you will wish you never even heard of them. I
actually rebelled and refused to take them after noticing all kinds of side
effects. Now they apparently agree with me i.e. I am sensitive to those
drugs
and should not be taking them.

Good Luck!!

"Jerry" <jcampbell73134@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:afd331db.0410220651.36aff8fe@posting.google.com...
>I am a 42 year old that has had frequent urination and urgency for the
> past four years or so. It has been gradually getting worse with
> relatively frequent flank pain that resolves itself within a few days.
>
> Two years ago, during a routine physical my physician detected a
> nodule on my prostate and referred me to a urologist. The urologist
> did a PSA and recommended a biopsy. I had a prostate biopsy in
> December of 2002. Biopsy was negative for cancer.
>
> In January of 2003 I went on Flomax to increase flow and reduce
> frequency. Treatment was mildly successful with some improvement but
> signifigant side effects so I discontinued the Flomax and just lived
> with the problem.
>
> I returned to the urologist in September of this year and had
> Urodynamic study performed and a bladder ultrasound. The urologist
> diagnosed urinary retention and very weak flow. He scheduled a
> cystoscopy and direct vision urethrotomy. Cystoscopy and urethrotomy
> performed on Thursday, October 7 at an uutpatient clinic. Developed
> severe flank pain, high fever, blood and clots in urine. On Tuesday,
> Oct 12, called the urologist and was placed on three days of Cipro.
> Fever continued and Wednesday, October 13, went to the minor emergency
> clinic where I was given an injection of Rocephrin. Flank pain and
> fever continued overnight with periodic episodes of very difficult
> unirnation. Went to the emergency room on Thursday morning where IV
> Rocephrin was administered as well as a CAT scan. CAT scan was
> negative. While in the ER, had several episodes of urgency but was
> not able to urinate. Discharged from the ER at approximately 11:30.
> Ate a small lunch and went home to rest. At approximately 2:00 PM
> developed urgent need to urinate, however, was unable to produce any
> urine. Called the urologists office and was told to come to his
> office. Pain and discomfort increased to very high levels and was
> unable to sit or stand upright. My spouse took me back to the ER
> where I was readmitted, given Demerol and a Foley catheter was placed.
> Approximately 800ml of urine was drained. Was admitted to hospital
> overnight and discharged with the following day. Catheter was removed
> at home on October 18th .
>
> Subsequently, fever and flank pain has resolved with occasional mild
> left flank pain. Since the catheter was removed, I have had three to
> four episodes of very delayed urination (waiting for up to three
> minutes for urination to start).
>
> Questions:
> Does this sound like BPH? Can it develop at age 42?
>
> I am not very happy with the lack of information I have been receiving
> from my urologist so I am scheduled to see a second urologist next
> week for a second opinion. Am I being unreasonable?
>
> What are the chances of not being able to urinate again? That was the
> worst pain I have ever had and was in complete misery.
>
> Any other advice from the group?

MB_

2004-10-31, 4:09 am

bu2:
Can you elaborate on your problems with levaquin.

Mel

"bu2" <bu2@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Sorry to read about your problems. I think you received from the
> group a lot of interesting stuff including some really good advice.
> I have a similar problem although I am older than you are. My
> prostate is a bit enlarged, the left lobe, that is.
>
> I have had a lot of small problems over the years that recently
> culminated in continuous although not unbearable pelvic pain. I
> had problems with urination for some years now. I got into a
> "Urology Wellness Clinic" that has a few people specializing
> in treating prostate problems. It was established I suffer from
> prostatitis caused by an inflammation and possibly infection of
> the prostate.
>
> After some testing etc I was bombarded with a cocktail of antibiotics
> for about a month and a few prostate massages. My condition did not
> change much but I acquired a lot of new problems that I attribute to
> the massages and in particular a drug called Levaquine. The massages
> were given not only to acquire the sample of prostatic liquid for testing
> but also with the intention of draining out "the bad stuff".
>
> I had a cystoscopy that I could follow on a monitor and there were
> blood clots no doubt caused by the procedure itself. Had some
> problems afterwards but they subsided in a couple of days.
>
> The side pain I had in the past and it was definitely related to kidney
> stones.
>
> Recently they abandoned the massages and heavy drug treatment which
> to me meant they admitted they were barking up the wrong tree without
> actually saying so.
>
> Now I am taking pure cranberry juice, yogurt with wild bluberries, uva
> ursi
> tea (two weeks on, two weeks off), and two herbal remedies: Prosta Ease
> and
> Prostaphil-2. I also take sitz baths in my bath tub. I feel much better
> but
> not
> completely okay.
>
> Make sure you find out if you are, like many others including yours truly,
> sensitive to fluroquinole drugs such as Levaquin, Pequin, Cipro etc. If
> you
> are and you still take them you will wish you never even heard of them. I
> actually rebelled and refused to take them after noticing all kinds of
> side
> effects. Now they apparently agree with me i.e. I am sensitive to those
> drugs
> and should not be taking them.
>
> Good Luck!!
>
>
> "Jerry" <jcampbell73134@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:afd331db.0410220651.36aff8fe@posting.google.com...
>
>

bu2

2004-10-31, 4:09 am

I took a 500 mg dose daily for 27 consecutive days. I knew of
some of the possible side effects but was reassured by my uro
and the pharmacist(s).

On day 2 I had a severe case of anxiety. Of course it was weekend
so I spoke to my pharmacist. She assured me I had "nothing to
worry about" and besides if I stopped taking it "they would just start
the whole thing all over again!"

I had a few other episodes of the same but not as strong. Other
symptoms followed until I complained bitterly and Levaquin was
discontinued. I was offered Cipro and I refused flatly as it is simply
an older cousin of Levaquin. I have not been on Levaquin for over
a month now.

Here are the side effects I experienced because of, or at least I "credit"
Levaquin with:

- dry eyes especially the left one ( I am taking Genteal drops for it)
- itchy eyes especially the left one (that has mostly stopped)
- a TIA incident that landed me in ER - it was mostly my left eye
(Transient Ischemic Attack also known as "mini stroke"
True it was never established that Levaquin caused it.
However, no cause has been found after numerous tests
including two ultra sound tests of the carotids and the
heart, blood tests etc etc I still have to go for a CT Scan
of { my silly :-) } head - I also saw two eye specialists.
The second ophtalmologist felt I probably had an ocular
migrene, not a TIA - my point being: induced by Levaquin)
- seeing shimmering especially on the left side (still happens)
- some light pain in the eyes (gone since)
- anxiety (still there sometimes)
- joints aching especially left knee and the right elbow (still there)
- some confusion and inability to concentrate (still there occasionally)
- stool problems almost like diarrhea and very dark (gone)
- my hemorrhoid problems reactivated (much improved since)
- a tic on the right side of my upper lip (still there)
- backache (improved since I stopped the medication)
- some stomach cramps (now I am much better)
- pain and itching around the ankles (mostly gone)
- tightness in the lower jaw (it's almost 100% gone)
- sleeping problems (this has improved)

I also started reading at various sites and groups that discuss this matter.
For instance the yahoo discussion group on quinolones. Found out that
there a lot of people who are far, far worse than I am to the point where
I should really not complain.

I think my main points are:
- quinolones should be the last resort not the first remedy they reach
for.
- the doctors and other medical professionals generally appear not to
know a lot about prostate problems and remedies.
- it appears Levaquin and other drugs (e.g. 12 days of metronidazole
etc)
did not make a difference except to cause me problems.

"MB_" <mel@prodigy.invalid.net> wrote in message
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> bu2:
> Can you elaborate on your problems with levaquin.
>
> Mel
>
> "bu2" <bu2@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:jpEfd.10978$Qs6.1032856@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>

Spread deMocracy

2004-10-31, 4:09 am

THANK YOU TO bu2. Wonderful information on fluroquinole drugs. Thank you.
I wish more of the posters would get into the side effects of more than just
the Alpha Blockers and the DHT inhibitors. You taught me a great deal.
Thanks.
...................................................................................................
"bu2" <bu2@sympatico.ca> wrote in message.....Here are the side effects I
experienced because of, or at least I "credit"
.... I think my main points are: - quinolones should be the last resort not
the first remedy....

Steve

2004-10-31, 7:08 am

Dan

2004-11-03, 2:08 am

Jerry

2004-11-03, 4:07 am