Prostate - First Anniversary PVP

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First Anniversary PVP

Terry

2004-10-10, 2:11 am

It's been 12 months since my PVP and I'm sorry to report that
the results have been very disappointing for me. Except for newfound
retro and
increased urgency and control problems, my symptoms are exactly the
same as before the procedure. My uro scratches his head and mumbles
something about
how it must be lower back nerve problems that account for the lack of
improvement. He also says that scar tissue may be a factor.
When I described the PVP as a failure, he said with a straight face
that it was not a failure, just that something else must be causing my
woes. I'm still pondering this.

I don't mean this to be a downer for guys looking to PVP as a solution
to their problems. I just think it's important to know that PVP may
not work for all.
I'm happy for all the guys who are reporting success with the
procedure and wish all the great posters on this board the best of
luck.

Nelson

2004-10-10, 7:07 am

On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:38:39 -0400, Terry wrote
(in article <c068493.0410091538.4f71116b@posting.google.com> ):

> It's been 12 months since my PVP and I'm sorry to report that the
> results have been very disappointing for me. Except for newfound
> retro and increased urgency and control problems, my symptoms are
> exactly the same as before the procedure. My uro scratches his head
> and mumbles something about how it must be lower back nerve problems
> that account for the lack of improvement. He also says that scar
> tissue may be a factor. When I described the PVP as a failure, he
> said with a straight face that it was not a failure, just that
> something else must be causing my woes. I'm still pondering this.
>
> I don't mean this to be a downer for guys looking to PVP as a
> solution to their problems. I just think it's important to know
> that PVP may not work for all. I'm happy for all the guys who are
> reporting success with the procedure and wish all the great posters
> on this board the best of luck.

Sorry to hear this. Especially since I am considering getting one
myself. I can also understand what your uro is saying about the PVP
being a success... if the problem was being caused by something else or
had multiple causes, ablating prostate tissue alone isn't going to fix
it. Unfortunately, if it is not physical obstruction due to an
enlarged prostate, I don't think they usually have a clue what is
causing it. In addition, I don't think they have a clue, in general,
as to what causes the enlarged prostate in the first place.

Do you have any reason to believe that a TURP would have been more
successful? Seems to me that it is the surgery that failed, not the
particular method.

Uro's are surgeons and are biased to cut... when you're a hammer,
everything looks like a nail :-) PVP, after all, is just cutting away
using a laser rather than a scalpel.

My suspicion is that in the final analysis we will ultimately find that
prostate enlargement is most commonly caused by a resistant pathogen
just as was found for stomach ulcers after years of the dogma that they
were caused by stress or eating certain foods.

What kinds of tests did you have prior to the surgery to ascertain that
prostate was the culprit and the sole culprit?

In my case, for example, the problem presents as a long history of a
weak stream and frequency which is especially troubling at night.
However, overlayed on that are flare-ups where I can't void at all and,
on the other hand, comparable periods where the symptoms are
dramatically reduced. Such variations are inconsistent, in my opinion,
with a one-explanation cause. This coupled with the fact that DRE's
are continually unremarkable. A final curiosity is that my wife has
similar problems and a prostate has never shown up on any of her X-Rays
:-)

I'm afraid the truth is that, in my experience at least, most
interaction with doctors is hit or miss and mostly miss. This is
particularly frustrating because of the level of expectation we have
going in, preconditioned by the media and the propaganda put about by
the doctors themselves. They have been elevated to "priest" status in
our society and are assumed to have knowledge and healing powers far
beyond that which any rational assessment of the results would justify.
I envision the whole medical-hospital-insurance complex as a giant
money-sucking vampire which feeds on people who are sick, sucks the
blood out of them, and then spits out their dry corpses... just so you
know where I am coming from ;-)

--
Nelson

gentry10@optonline.net

2004-10-14, 7:13 pm

May I ask you in which state (if you do not want to specify the city)
you had this PVP done?

tmcd@hdtinfo.com (Terry) wrote in message news:<c068493.0410091538.4f71116b@posting.google.com>...
> It's been 12 months since my PVP and I'm sorry to report that
> the results have been very disappointing for me. Except for newfound
> retro and
> increased urgency and control problems, my symptoms are exactly the
> same as before the procedure. My uro scratches his head and mumbles
> something about
> how it must be lower back nerve problems that account for the lack of
> improvement. He also says that scar tissue may be a factor.
> When I described the PVP as a failure, he said with a straight face
> that it was not a failure, just that something else must be causing my
> woes. I'm still pondering this.
>
> I don't mean this to be a downer for guys looking to PVP as a solution
> to their problems. I just think it's important to know that PVP may
> not work for all.
> I'm happy for all the guys who are reporting success with the
> procedure and wish all the great posters on this board the best of
> luck.