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Saturated Triglycerides of Butter Can Cause Sharp Chest Pain
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| Radium 2006-09-26, 9:27 pm |
| Hi:
A diet rich in butter combined with lack of aerobic activity causes
saturated triglycerides [triglycerides with all three attached fatty
acids being saturated] to be deposited in the heart's blood vessels.
This can lead to an angina or MI.
MI = Myocardial Infarction or heart attack
The symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated triglycerides of
butter are similar except for the obvious fact that MI is much more
severe than an angina. MIs are usually much more painful than anginas.
Both anginas and MIs produce the same type of pain [the shooting sharp
pain resulting from A-delta excitation]. However, the pain caused by an
MI is usually more intense than the pain caused by an angina because
more A-delta nociceptors per area are stimulated in an MI than in an
angina.
When saturated triglycerides of butter accumulate in the cardiac blood
vessels, they starve the heart of blood supply. That starvation of
heart tissue result in stimulation of A-delta nociceptors nearby. This
causes a shooting sharp pain to be perceived in the sternum's compact
bones between the 3rd, 4th, and 5th cartilage lines of unions. It feels
as if those bones have "holes being cracked into them".
With or without pain, a heart attack is a potentially fatal situation.
However, the pain caused by A-delta nociception can result in a shock
reaction that can kill in less than a minute.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_of_sternum
If all the A-delta nociceptors that give rise to pain in the hard
compact bone tissues between the 3rd, 4th, and 5th cartilage lines of
unions of the sternum are stimulated by the injurious complications of
saturated butter triglycerides, the intense shooting sharp pain would
result in the following fatal conditions:
In such a situation all blood vessels in the body would constrict. The
heart would enter a state of near-total contraction [the contraction
will be almost tonic, IOW nearly a state of adiastole] and not relax
enough to pump effectively. The AV communication would probably remain
normal [i.e. other than being extremely fast and weak, the heartbeat
would be normal]. Pulse and heart beat would not be strong enough to be
felt by anything other than an extremely sensitive EKG. Heart rate
would sky-rocket to almost 500 beats per minute.
Gastrointestinal muscles would also enter a state of tonic spasticity
[much like the heart and blood vessels]. The peristalsis would be
extremely rapid but so weak that the movement of GI contents ceases.
Skin would become cold, pale, and moist due to shock.
http://courses.washington.edu/conj/sensory/pain.htm
Quotes from the above site:
"An A-delta fiber responds to either mechanical stimuli or temperature
stimuli in the painful realm and produces the acute sensation of sharp,
bright pain."
"By contrast, a C fiber can respond to a broad range of painful
stimuli, including mechanical, thermal or metabolic factors. The pain
produced is slow, burning, and long lasting."
Regards,
Radium
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| Bowcatz 2006-09-27, 2:33 am |
| In September of 2005, I was diagnosed with GERD. I, also, had this sensation
of thousands of needles piercing my heart while I experienced the intense
burning in my esophagus (sp?). I was put on Caduet because I have elevated
cholesterol, too.
One doctor diagnosed me as having a religious experience. Oh, well. Not
exactly so. (rolls eyes on that professional comment) More like stress from
surviving Katrina and the long suffering effects the hurricane caused my
home state of Mississippi. I felt intense empathy for the victims along the
Gulf Coast and New Orleans (where I have family).
I had the radiation dye test and it was discovered that at certain times, I
would have absences of blood in one of my heart's chambers. Is that normal?
What about heart arythmia? Is there a connection between lack of blood in
the heart and arythmia?
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| 100% pure BS.
TC
Radium wrote:
> Hi:
>
> A diet rich in butter combined with lack of aerobic activity causes
> saturated triglycerides [triglycerides with all three attached fatty
> acids being saturated] to be deposited in the heart's blood vessels.
> This can lead to an angina or MI.
>
> MI = Myocardial Infarction or heart attack
>
> The symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated triglycerides of
> butter are similar except for the obvious fact that MI is much more
> severe than an angina. MIs are usually much more painful than anginas.
>
> Both anginas and MIs produce the same type of pain [the shooting sharp
> pain resulting from A-delta excitation]. However, the pain caused by an
> MI is usually more intense than the pain caused by an angina because
> more A-delta nociceptors per area are stimulated in an MI than in an
> angina.
>
> When saturated triglycerides of butter accumulate in the cardiac blood
> vessels, they starve the heart of blood supply. That starvation of
> heart tissue result in stimulation of A-delta nociceptors nearby. This
> causes a shooting sharp pain to be perceived in the sternum's compact
> bones between the 3rd, 4th, and 5th cartilage lines of unions. It feels
> as if those bones have "holes being cracked into them".
>
> With or without pain, a heart attack is a potentially fatal situation.
> However, the pain caused by A-delta nociception can result in a shock
> reaction that can kill in less than a minute.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_of_sternum
>
> If all the A-delta nociceptors that give rise to pain in the hard
> compact bone tissues between the 3rd, 4th, and 5th cartilage lines of
> unions of the sternum are stimulated by the injurious complications of
> saturated butter triglycerides, the intense shooting sharp pain would
> result in the following fatal conditions:
>
> In such a situation all blood vessels in the body would constrict. The
> heart would enter a state of near-total contraction [the contraction
> will be almost tonic, IOW nearly a state of adiastole] and not relax
> enough to pump effectively. The AV communication would probably remain
> normal [i.e. other than being extremely fast and weak, the heartbeat
> would be normal]. Pulse and heart beat would not be strong enough to be
> felt by anything other than an extremely sensitive EKG. Heart rate
> would sky-rocket to almost 500 beats per minute.
>
> Gastrointestinal muscles would also enter a state of tonic spasticity
> [much like the heart and blood vessels]. The peristalsis would be
> extremely rapid but so weak that the movement of GI contents ceases.
>
> Skin would become cold, pale, and moist due to shock.
>
> http://courses.washington.edu/conj/sensory/pain.htm
>
> Quotes from the above site:
>
> "An A-delta fiber responds to either mechanical stimuli or temperature
> stimuli in the painful realm and produces the acute sensation of sharp,
> bright pain."
>
> "By contrast, a C fiber can respond to a broad range of painful
> stimuli, including mechanical, thermal or metabolic factors. The pain
> produced is slow, burning, and long lasting."
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Radium
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| Radium 2006-09-27, 4:29 pm |
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TC wrote:
> 100% pure BS.
How so?
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| Radium 2006-09-27, 4:29 pm |
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Bowcatz wrote:
> In September of 2005, I was diagnosed with GERD. I, also, had this sensation
> of thousands of needles piercing my heart while I experienced the intense
> burning in my esophagus (sp?). I was put on Caduet because I have elevated
> cholesterol, too.
>
>
> One doctor diagnosed me as having a religious experience. Oh, well. Not
> exactly so. (rolls eyes on that professional comment) More like stress from
> surviving Katrina and the long suffering effects the hurricane caused my
> home state of Mississippi. I felt intense empathy for the victims along the
> Gulf Coast and New Orleans (where I have family).
Sorry to hear about your experience.
>
> I had the radiation dye test and it was discovered that at certain times, I
> would have absences of blood in one of my heart's chambers. Is that normal?
> What about heart arythmia? Is there a connection between lack of blood in
> the heart and arythmia?
There is a connection between lack of blood in the heart and arythmia.
Insufficient blood supply to the heart [which starves the heart muscle
of energy] can cause the rate of the heartbeat to increase but the
strength to decrease. An energy-deprived heart beats rapidly but weakly.
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| Bowcatz 2006-09-28, 2:31 am |
| Radium wrote: "There is a connection between lack of blood in the heart and
arrhythmia.
Insufficient blood supply to the heart [which starves the heart muscle
of energy] can cause the rate of the heartbeat to increase but the
strength to decrease. An energy-deprived heart beats rapidly but weakly."
I often have a butterflies in my chest sensation. It's like my heart starts
to beat to the point of fluttering. I instinctively cough several times when
this happens and it quietens the sensation. Lately, I feel a little faint
when this happens. Have to stop what I'm doing, cough, and hang on to
something to keep from falling because I feel a little dizzy. Maybe it's
nerves or maybe it's medical. Maybe both, but it is annoying and a little
scary.
I've mentioned this feeling to doctors for years and I was pretty much
ignored. It was the GERD episode that finally convinced my current doctor
that I should have the radioactive dye injected while doing a stress test on
a tread mill. During the resting phase, it was discovered that sometimes my
heart's chambers aren't completely filled. The images were pretty clear,
too, so there was no misunderstanding.
Is my body making enough blood? Is that is why there is a lack of blood in
my heart at times? I'm not making enough blood. If the spleen is the organ
that filters out dead blood cells from the body, is mine filtering out good
blood, too?
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| tunderbar@hotmail.com 2006-10-02, 4:29 pm |
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TC wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> 100% pure BS.
>
> TC
>
> Radium wrote:
The actual mechanism is that poor diet, including excessive consumption
of refined carbs and absence of the needed nutrients, leads the artery
walls to become pitted and spongy. The body, in a state of poor
nutrition, tries to patch the artery walls with fatty deposits.
[vbcol=seagreen]
First of all, no shit, MI is more painful than angina. But "symptoms of
an angina/MI resulting from saturated triglycerides of butter" is
complete BS.
[vbcol=seagreen]
Again, "butter = saturated triglycerides = starve the heart of blood
supply" is nonsense.
[vbcol=seagreen]
No shit. Now, do some reading and get over this "butter = heart
attacks" bullshit. Real butter from real healthy cows is one of the
healthiest foods around. We've been eating this stuff for thousands of
years and it's only been in the last century that we've seen the
incidence of heart disease skyrocket, and that trend is perfectly
reflected in the trend in refined carb consumption, vegetable oil
consumption and processed food consumption. In that time the rates of
butter consumption has gone down considerably and the rates of
margarine (hydrogenated *vegetable* oil) consumption has gone up a lot.
So for you to make these silly statements about butter is pure
unadulterated BULLSHIT.
TC
[vbcol=seagreen]
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| Radium 2006-10-03, 4:28 pm |
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tunderbar@hotmail.com wrote:
> TC wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> The actual mechanism is that poor diet, including excessive consumption
> of refined carbs and absence of the needed nutrients, leads the artery
> walls to become pitted and spongy. The body, in a state of poor
> nutrition, tries to patch the artery walls with fatty deposits.
Okay.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> First of all, no shit, MI is more painful than angina. But "symptoms of
> an angina/MI resulting from saturated triglycerides of butter" is
> complete BS.
What is incorrect about the symptoms I described?
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Again, "butter = saturated triglycerides = starve the heart of blood
> supply" is nonsense.
>
>
> No shit. Now, do some reading and get over this "butter = heart
> attacks" bullshit. Real butter from real healthy cows is one of the
> healthiest foods around. We've been eating this stuff for thousands of
> years and it's only been in the last century that we've seen the
> incidence of heart disease skyrocket, and that trend is perfectly
> reflected in the trend in refined carb consumption, vegetable oil
> consumption and processed food consumption. In that time the rates of
> butter consumption has gone down considerably and the rates of
> margarine (hydrogenated *vegetable* oil) consumption has gone up a lot.
>
> So for you to make these silly statements about butter is pure
> unadulterated BULLSHIT.
>
> TC
>
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| RalphRepo 2006-10-04, 4:28 pm |
| >On 3 Oct 2006 10:18:45 -0700, "Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> First of all, no shit, MI is more painful than angina. But "symptoms of
> an angina/MI resulting from saturated triglycerides of butter" is
> complete BS.
>What is incorrect about the symptoms I described?
Because chest pain, as a clinical presentation, can have it's
beginnings in many different ways.
Example:
Variant (Prinzmetal's) angina
Atherosclerosis
Calcification
Disease processes (eg, pulmonary hypertension, hypertension, valvular
disease, myopathies) that affect pre and afterload dynamics, resulting
in additional cardiac work.
Diabetes
Stimulants (nicotine, caffeine)
No one, and I mean, NO ONE, looks upon chest pain as being more severe
if caused by one clinical rationale versus another. Chest pain,
especially in longstanding diabetics, is often absent because of the
general neuropathy of their disease.
"... except for the obvious fact that MI is much more severe than an
angina..."
The only thing obvious to me is that the above is the statement of a
an uneducated fool.
Ralph
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| William Wagner 2006-10-04, 4:28 pm |
| In article <pi67i2pr89bjg0238moackd2ffql3n667f@4ax.com>,
RalphRepo <Alice.BangZoom@Moon> wrote:
>
>
>
> Because chest pain, as a clinical presentation, can have it's
> beginnings in many different ways.
>
> Example:
>
> Variant (Prinzmetal's) angina
> Atherosclerosis
> Calcification
> Disease processes (eg, pulmonary hypertension, hypertension, valvular
> disease, myopathies) that affect pre and afterload dynamics, resulting
> in additional cardiac work.
> Diabetes
> Stimulants (nicotine, caffeine)
>
> No one, and I mean, NO ONE, looks upon chest pain as being more severe
> if caused by one clinical rationale versus another. Chest pain,
> especially in longstanding diabetics, is often absent because of the
> general neuropathy of their disease.
>
> "... except for the obvious fact that MI is much more severe than an
> angina..."
>
> The only thing obvious to me is that the above is the statement of a
> an uneducated fool.
>
> Ralph
Indigestion can be added to the above list.
About 15 years ago a coworker came to work sick. Looked like real
flu. We sent him to medical and he was said to be OK. Did this on
three days in a row. Same result. Finally my foreman suggested a EKG.
He had no chest pain just looked like hell.
Well then it was a fast ride to hospital and we never saw Sam again at
work. Three months later he passed. Those tough WWII vets !
Then there was Paul a WWII medic who I was working alone with when I
noticed he was trembling. I asked what was wrong and he said Oh nothing
just a minor stroke. Same Guy always took all of his vacation starting
Jan 1 and spent it in his local tavern. Not a bad idea in retrospect I
guess.
Bill
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