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| Robert 2006-03-22, 3:39 pm |
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> http://www.vaccination.org.uk/
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The clowns should call it antivaccination.org.
They can't even get that right for obvious purposes. I am sure they would
want to have the domain name of TheWhiteHouse.org to try and pass it off as
something legitimate.
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| zeron*c 2006-03-22, 3:39 pm |
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"Robert" <Robertsnospam2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "john" <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> The clowns should call it antivaccination.org.
> They can't even get that right for obvious purposes. I am sure they would
> want to have the domain name of TheWhiteHouse.org to try and pass it off
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> something legitimate.
Interesting website...
Vaccines aren't safe, and are far more dangerous than the diseases.
Vaccination is the main cause of autism, and they are not looking for the
truth in that regard, for the truth could destroy the medical industry with
a 'dominoe effect.'
They don't "protect" as advertised, and interfere with the immune system to
our detriment. Over 50% of cases have been vaccinated. The only
"protection" going on here is a "protection racket" where the vaccines are
falsely made out to be safe and effective, while the diseases are falsely
made out to be dangerous, helped by the ignoring of effective medicine.
Vaccination never eliminated any disease, such as smallpox & polio.
The statistics show vaccination never reduced or eliminated any disease
death rate, eg measles deaths had declined 99.4% before vaccination.
Childhood diseases such as mumps, measles and chickenpox are necessary
processes of the immune system.
The diseases are safe in healthy well fed children under proper supervision.
Unhealthy, and/or malnourished children should not be vaccinated (ie most
third world children).
The dangers of all the diseases have been massively hyped to sell
vaccination, and fearmongering has become a science to more effectively sell
vaccines and other drugs.
Numerous disease treatments, disease prevention, knowledge, and cures, such
as Vitamin C, have been ignored or suppressed, along with the danger of junk
food, which reveals the real agenda of the medical industry.
The medical industry has lied to the public for decades over vaccination
with the help of various propaganda ploys. As Orwell said, 'all propaganda
is a lie, even when it is telling the truth'---it is unwise to take the
medicine of an industry that lies.
The appalling treatment of vaccine victims exposes the proffered benevolence
(for the children etc) as a total sham, also exposed by:
The way they keep vaccines proven unsafe in one country on the market in
others for years, and then sell them to third world countries, in some cases
for decades.
Vaccination, from top to bottom (including the government), is run by the
drug industry---the fox is in charge of the henhouse, so only the vaccine
belief system ever gets disseminated, and:
Vaccine testing, for effectiveness and contaminants, is left to the makers,
and they have NEVER (that anyone has yet found) run a vaccine trial using
100% unvaccinated children as controls--some sort of red flag--it is left to
journalists like Dan Olmsted, and you can see why. One of their main
reasons for maintaining high vaccine uptake is to eliminate these
unvaccinated controls. Also:
Vaccine makers are protected from litigation, which eliminates the main
driver for vaccine "safety". Not only that, the victims (taxpayer) have to
pay for the damage.
Vaccination is run on the false Pasteurian germ theory, while the correct
one (Bechamp) would completely undermine the vaccination belief system.
Consequently, along with the present knowledge of the child immune system
(as stated by Dr Dunbar, above), vaccination is an on going, highly
profitable, medical experiment using children, without informed consent, and
to compound that fact--by compulsion in the USA.
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"Robert" <Robertsnospam2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "john" <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> The clowns should call it antivaccination.org.
> They can't even get that right for obvious purposes. I am sure they would
> want to have the domain name of TheWhiteHouse.org to try and pass it off
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> something legitimate.
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I prefer vaccination, you don't put up site called pro-vaccination, and the
shorter the URL the better, also it is a bonus if we can annoy the pharma
hoaxers
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| Robert 2006-03-22, 3:39 pm |
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You can repeat that a million times and nobody believes that shit and that
is why my original point still stands as they have to depend on deceit by
calling there link vaccination.org.
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| Robert 2006-03-22, 3:39 pm |
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> I prefer vaccination, you don't put up site called pro-vaccination, and
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> shorter the URL the better, also it is a bonus if we can annoy the pharma
> hoaxers
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You depend and rely on deceit. No other way to get out your message. It
starts with a lie and it ends in a lie. Vaccination.org is intentially named
as such to intentially decieve people in believing it is about vaccination
information they are searching for.
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"Robert" <Robertsnospam2@hotmail.com> wrote in
> You depend and rely on deceit. No other way to get out your message. It
> starts with a lie and it ends in a lie. Vaccination.org is intentially
> named
> as such to intentially decieve people in believing it is about vaccination
> information they are searching for.
it is all about vaccination you moron!
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| Robert 2006-03-22, 3:39 pm |
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> it is all about vaccination you moron!
It is all about NOT vaccinating you moron.
If someone wants to get vaccinated they will search google on vaccination
and end up with your idiotic site. As you if you didn't know that idiot.
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| zeron*c 2006-03-22, 3:39 pm |
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"Robert" <Robertsnospam2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "zeron*c" <rsvp@group.thanks> wrote in message
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> You can repeat that a million times and nobody believes that shit and that
> is why my original point still stands as they have to depend on deceit by
> calling there link vaccination.org.
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I can't see any deceit in the name. The site gives information about
vaccination.
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> "Robert" <Robertsnospam2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I can't see any deceit in the name. The site gives information about
> vaccination.
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Okay... on the first line of your reply you noted that they said that the
vaccines were more dangerous than the disease. Please tell us which disease
is less harmful than the vaccine and give the evidence.
For instance... is getting measles less harmful than getting the MMR, even
in light that measles still kills almost half a million people each year?
See http://www.measlesinitiative.org/index3.asp
Or is getting pertussis (whooping cough) or tetanus safer than the DTaP?
Even though there are still several pertussis deaths each year?
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/wk/mm5128.pdf
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> It is all about NOT vaccinating you moron.
> If someone wants to get vaccinated they will search google on vaccination
> and end up with your idiotic site. As you if you didn't know that idiot.
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Much like NVIC, which should be more accurately called the National Vaccine
MIS-information Center.
Often, behind these organizations are a bunch of personal injury lawyers.
Much like the lawyer who paid Wakefield for specific test results to support
a lawsuit, and even provided the test subjects (who were later shown to be
mostly litigents).
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| David Wright 2006-03-22, 3:39 pm |
| In article <441fc7d5$0$6989$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>,
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>"Robert" <Robertsnospam2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>Interesting website...
Sure is. It's interesting that it could be almost completely filled
with falsehoods.
>Vaccines aren't safe, and are far more dangerous than the diseases.
Totally false. Name one such.
>Vaccination is the main cause of autism, and they are not looking for
>the truth in that regard, for the truth could destroy the medical
>industry with a 'dominoe effect.'
Autism long predates vaccination and the causes are unknown, but
appear to be at least partially genetic.
>They don't "protect" as advertised, and interfere with the immune
>system to our detriment.
Their efficacy is easily determined. Indeed, if you doubt it, explain
why most kids no longer get measles, mumps, chickenpox, or rubella,
and why polio is extinct in the Western Hemisphere.
>Over 50% of cases have been vaccinated.
If the entire population is vaccinated, that's inevitable.
>The only
>"protection" going on here is a "protection racket" where the vaccines are
>falsely made out to be safe and effective, while the diseases are falsely
>made out to be dangerous, helped by the ignoring of effective medicine.
"Diseases are falsely made out to be dangerous." Too stupid to
warrant a response.
>Vaccination never eliminated any disease, such as smallpox & polio.
OK, Sherlock, you explain where they went.
>The statistics show vaccination never reduced or eliminated any disease
>death rate, eg measles deaths had declined 99.4% before vaccination.
But measles cases remained quite steady, until vaccination.
>Childhood diseases such as mumps, measles and chickenpox are necessary
>processes of the immune system.
Total nonsense. There are places in the world where these diseases
were unknown for centuries, and yet the people did just fine.
>The diseases are safe in healthy well fed children under proper
>supervision.
Not always.
>Unhealthy, and/or malnourished children should not be vaccinated (ie
>most third world children).
Absolutely wrong -- diseases like measles, that are usually harmless
in well-nourished populations, can kill 10% of their victims when
those victims are malnourished.
>Vaccine testing, for effectiveness and contaminants, is left to the
>makers, and they have NEVER (that anyone has yet found) run a vaccine
>trial using 100% unvaccinated children as controls--some sort of red
>flag--it is left to journalists like Dan Olmsted, and you can see
>why.
Sure -- Olmstead makes it up as he goes along.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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| Jan Drew 2006-03-22, 3:39 pm |
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"Robert" <Robertsnospam2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "zeron*c" <rsvp@group.thanks> wrote in message
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> You can repeat that a million times and nobody believes that shit
Utrue.
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> Okay... on the first line of your reply you noted that they said that the
> vaccines were more dangerous than the disease. Please tell us which
> disease is less harmful than the vaccine and give the evidence.
Measles http://www.whale.to/m/quotes19.html
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> For instance... is getting measles less harmful than getting the MMR, even
> in light that measles still kills almost half a million people each year?
> See http://www.measlesinitiative.org/index3.asp
MMR is dangerous, it kills and is along with mercury vaccines, a main cause
of autism. Using third world stats to sell first world vaccines is lying
with the truth, for one thing trusting WHO/CDC stats is trusting proven
liars, who are just shills for the pharma companies. They use measles
vaccines to kill off African children as you shouldn't vaccinate
malnourished children, you can see them at it with the OPV:
"According to government, measles was a threat to national interest,
claiming more than 40,000 lives every year (a statistic which is laughable
since most people who get measles stay at home and treat it and the majority
of sick people go to private clinics that do not keep records this figure
was of course trumped up). This of course is a questionable statistic since
the majority of deaths in Uganda are not registered and few parents remember
any measles death. No point in registering a person once he has died. Forty
thousand people are far much less than those killed in Uganda annually due
to the civil war, dwarfs the figure for malaria, which kills a child every
five second and for which governments is happy to ignore.......The forcing
of them to take a vaccine against a disease they know to be harmless and
which they know how to cure in its harmful state was seen as government hell
bent on killing its own population for the benefit of commanding whiteworld.
All village people know that once you have recovered from measles you will
never catch it again, but here they were telling people to vaccinate even
those who have recovered from measles. "--Kihura Nkuba 2003
http://www.whale.to/a/kihura.htm
They say that if children are not vaccinated against measles millions of
children could die during a measles epidemic. They know this is nonsense.
What they are using is examples taken from developing countries with poor
nutrition and poor immune function in which such epidemic death can occur.
In the United States we would not see this because of better nutrition,
better health facilities and better sanitation. In fact, most deaths seen
when measles outbreaks occur in the United States occur either in children
in which vaccination was contraindicated, the vaccine did not work or in
children with chronic, immune-suppressing diseases. In fact, in most
studies these children catching the measles or other childhood diseases have
been either fully immunized or partially immunized. The big secret among
"vaccinologists" is that anywhere from 20 to 50% of children are not
resistant to the diseases for which they have been immunized. THE TRUTH
BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP By Russell Blaylock, M.D.
"In 1980 approx 39% of the world's children (141 million) suffered from some
degree of malnutrition."--The Malnourished Child by Robert Suskind,
Louisiana State university School of Med.
Malnutrition is to blame for more than half of all the deaths of children
around the world -- including deaths caused by diarrhea, pneumonia, malaria
and measles, researchers said on Thursday. Poor nourishment leaves children
underweight and weakened and vulnerable to infections that do not have to be
fatal, the team at the World Health Organization and Johns Hopkins
University in Baltimore found. They estimated that feeding all children
worldwide an adequate diet would prevent about 1 million deaths a year from
pneumonia, 800,000 from diarrhea, 500,000 from malaria, and 250,000 from
measles...... They estimate that 52.5 percent of all deaths in young
children were attributable to undernourishment, with nearly 45 percent of
measles deaths and more than 60 percent of deaths from diarrhea associated
with low weight and poor nutrition. [Media, Jun 17] Better Nutrition Could
Save Millions of Kids-Study
"It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa,
South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving
children...They thought they were wiping out measles, but most of those
susceptible to measles died from some other disease that they developed as a
result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their immune levels and
acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis, etcetera,
or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So
there were very few susceptible infants left alive to get measles. It's one
way to get good statistics, kill all those that are susceptible, which is
what they literally did." --Dr Kalokerinos, M.D.
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> Or is getting pertussis (whooping cough) or tetanus safer than the DTaP?
> Even though there are still several pertussis deaths each year?
> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/wk/mm5128.pdf
Yes, DPT vaccines kicked off autism, and kills at least 100 kids every year
in the USA
it never reduced or eliminated anything, apart from the taxpayers pocketbook
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/whooping.htm
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| Jan Drew 2006-03-22, 3:39 pm |
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> "Robert" <Robertsnospam2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Much like NVIC, which should be more accurately called the National
> Vaccine MIS-information Center.
*In your *organized medicine brain washed opinion*
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> Often, behind these organizations are a bunch of personal injury lawyers.
> Much like the lawyer who paid Wakefield for specific test results to
> support a lawsuit, and even provided the test subjects (who were later
> shown to be mostly litigents).
And HCN is the one who has posted it is A OK for the FDA and CDC to have
vested interested in vaccines and wavers granted.
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> Often, behind these organizations are a bunch of personal injury lawyers.
> Much like the lawyer who paid Wakefield for specific test results to
> support a lawsuit, and even provided the test subjects (who were later
> shown to be mostly litigents).
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Anti-vaccination is just down to greedy lawyers. You wish!!
http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html
"The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by
doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the result
of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of improved
nutrition. Here the role of the potato...deserves special
mention.....Consider carefully whether you want to let yourself or your
children undergo the dangerous, controversial, ineffective and no longer
necessary procedure called vaccination, because the claim that vaccinations
are the cause for the decline of infectious diseases is utter
nonsense."--The Vaccination Nonsense (2004 Lectures)---Dr. med. G. Buchwald
ISBN 3-8334-2508-3 page 108.
Vaccination for you pharma boys is just a religion
The vaccination myth is the most widespread superstition modern medicine has
managed to impose, but, being by the same token the most profitable, it will
prove to be also one of the most enduring, though there was never the
slightest of scientific evidence upholding it. Suffice it to say now that
the various epidemics have experienced in all countries the same natural
evolution of growth, decline, and eventual disappearance, whether
vaccination or other therapies had been introduced or not. The only
demonstrable effects were the widespread damages caused by the various
vaccinations, none excluded. Most pediatricians we know in Italy and France
do not vaccinate their own children, although they cannot refuse to
vaccinate their clients' children, if they want to retain their union
licence to practice........
So it can safely be predicted that the advertised belief in the alleged
blessings of vaccination will be among the last deadly rites of Modern
Medicine to go, because it is far too profitable to the medical combine to
be allowed to go without a bitter struggle, of which the beginnings can
increasingly be seen today, but which will certainly drag on into the coming
century. It is indeed so profitable - to Industry and State - that it is
incentivated by being offered, or imposed, in many cases free of charge.
But in truth, who gets the bill? The taxpayer, of course. Preface by Hans
Ruesch to 1000 Doctors (and many more) Against Vivisection
http://www.whale.to/a/ruesch4.html
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| Robert 2006-03-22, 3:39 pm |
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> Measles http://www.whale.to/m/quotes19.html
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> MMR is dangerous, it kills and is along with mercury vaccines, a main
cause
> of autism. Using third world stats to sell first world vaccines is lying
> with the truth, for one thing trusting WHO/CDC stats is trusting proven
> liars, who are just shills for the pharma companies.
Everybody's lying. The WHO, CDC, Pasteur Institute in France and just about
every country in the world is lying.
Does anybody really believe that shit that isn't an alternut?
Do you brain wash them first in alternative crap and then hit them with
every conspiracy out there? Or is it the other way around?
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| Robert 2006-03-22, 3:39 pm |
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> "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by
> doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the
result
> of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of improved
> nutrition. Here the role of the potato...deserves special
> mention.....
Keep your potato head in misc.health alternative and not in science med
groups. That's the only place it's fit for.
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> Everybody's lying. The WHO, CDC, Pasteur Institute in France and just
> about
> every country in the world is lying.
You have to lie when you are selling quack medicine like vaccination and 98%
of pharma drugs, obviously. It is all based on the smallpox lie--it killed
millions rather than saving them.
You pharam boys have to believe the lies, obviously
WHO http://www.whale.to/a/who_q.html
CDC http://www.whale.to/vaccines/cdc.htm
"The CDC would be the last place in the world to go for information
regarding health. The CDC is a government bureacracy funded by theft
(taxation that has reached confiscatory levels) and run by white collar
criminals who regularly misinform and misdirect the public while creating
pandemonium in the marketplace (unnecessary destruction of livestock,
recalls etc) and conspiring to incite public panic on an almost daily basis,
in violation of the constitution of the United States."--Dr Duffy DC
"In the course of a vaccination trial that took place in France on October
1st, 1981, Professor Mercie, former director of the glamorous Pasteur
Institute, was asked why the Institute kept producing and selling its
anti-'flu vaccine despite its recognized worthlessness. Professor Mercie's
candid reply: 'Because it helps financing the Institute's research'." -
(Hans Ruesch, Naked Empress.)
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> Does anybody really believe that shit that isn't an alternut?
Alternut is just the term you give to the non-believers in the Church of
Allopathy, along with quack, crank etc
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> Do you brain wash them first in alternative crap and then hit them with
> every conspiracy out there? Or is it the other way around?
>
You are the brainwashed, by the medical industry, sad really
"Despite the tendency of doctors to call modern medicine an 'inexact
science', it is more accurate to say there is practically no science in
modern medicine at all. Almost everything doctors do is based on a
conjecture, a guess, a clinical impression, a whim, a hope, a wish, an
opinion or a belief. In short, everything they do is based on anything but
solid scientific evidence. Thus, medicine is not a science at all, but a
belief system. Beliefs are held by every religion, including the Religion of
Modern Medicine." Robert Mendelsohn MD Preface by Hans Ruesch to 1000
Doctors (and many more) Against Vivisection
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> Keep your potato head in misc.health alternative and not in science med
> groups. That's the only place it's fit for.
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"If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call
him vile names." --Elbert Hubbard
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>... snip...
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> Vaccines aren't safe, and are far more dangerous than the diseases.
....
You still have not answered the question about details on this assertion.
Which vaccines? What is the evidence for it?
Come ON!!! Fill in the details! Tell us exactly how the vaccines are more
dangerous than the vaccines!
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> You still have not answered the question about details on this assertion.
> Which vaccines? What is the evidence for it?
>
> Come ON!!! Fill in the details! Tell us exactly how the vaccines are
> more dangerous than the vaccines!
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vaccines more dangerous than the vaccines?
I presume you mean diseases
pay attention
the vaccines didn't eliminate measles deaths as they had declined 99.4%
before vaccination, so any vaccine death or injury is compounded by the fact
the vaccine was pointless for that reason
kept up so far?
then measles is safe under proper medical care, whereas MMR kills and causes
autism along with the mercury vaccines
simple really, http://www.vaccination.org.uk/m/quotes19.html
but anyone selling/giving vaccines can't see the obvious truths, for obvious
reasons
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| C A III A 2006-03-24, 1:31 pm |
| > the vaccines didn't eliminate measles deaths as they had declined 99.4%
> before vaccination, so any vaccine death or injury is compounded by the
> fact the vaccine was pointless for that reason
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> kept up so far?
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> then measles is safe under proper medical care, whereas MMR kills and
> causes autism along with the mercury vaccines
History of Measles
References to measles can be found as far back as the 7th century A.D. In
fact, the disease was described by Rhazes in the 10th Century A.D. as "more
dreaded than smallpox." But all that changed in 1963 when the measles
vaccine was first licenced in the U.S.
Impact of the Measles Vaccine
Prior to 1963, almost everyone got measles; it was an expected life event.
Each year in the U.S. there were approximately 3 to 4 million cases and an
average of 450 deaths, with epidemic cycles every 2 to 3 years. More than
half the population had measles by the time they were 6 years old, and 90 %
had the disease by the time they were 15. This indicates that many more
cases were occurring than were being reported. However, after the vaccine
became available, the number of measles cases dropped by 98 % and the
epidemic cycles drastically diminished.
Second Measles Vaccine Dose
It was discovered that, between 1985 and 1988, many measles cases had
occurred in children who had been vaccinated. While there were far fewer
measles cases among vaccinated children than among unvaccinated, the
children who received only one dose were not always protected from the
disease. This led to the recommendation of a second dose for children
between the ages of 5 and 19 years of age to ensure protection for those who
had not developed immunity from the first dose.
1989-1990 Measles Epidemic
A dramatic increase in measles cases occurred between 1989 and 1991.
During those three years, 55,622 cases were reported Most of the cases
occurred in children under 5 years of age, with the number of cases among
unvaccinated Hispanic and African American populations being four to seven
times higher than among non-Hispanic whites. This also marked the first time
the number of measles cases for children under 5 years of age exceeded those
for the 5 to 19 years old group.
During this period, 123 people died from measles-related illnesses -
almost half were under 5 years old. Ninety percent of those who lost their
lives had not been vaccinated. The 64 deaths in 1990 was the largest number
that had been seen in almost 20 years.
Measles Outbreaks in Recent Years
Since 1993, the largest outbreaks of measles have occurred in populations
that refuse vaccination, including communities in Utah and Nevada, and in
Christian Scientist schools in Missouri and Illinois. Smaller outbreaks were
reported in unvaccinated preschool populations, vaccinated school
populations, among college students, and in adult communities, but these
outbreaks were much smaller than those reported during 1989-1991. In recent
years, outbreaks of measles have been small (less than 50 cases) and have
chiefly involved high school and college students who are unvaccinated or
have received only one dose of measles No large preschool-type outbreak has
been reported since 1992.
Source of Today's Measles Cases
In March of 2000, a group of expert consultants convened by the CDC
concluded that measles is no longer endemic in the U.S. Rather, all cases in
the U.S. appear to be the result of importations, with limited domestic
spread. This means that the only measles cases we see in the U.S. today have
been brought in from other countries, usually Europe and Asia. Due to an
aggressive measles vaccination program by the Pan American Health
organization, measles incidence is now very low in Latin America and the
Caribbean. Measles elimination from the Americas appears to be an achievable
goal.
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| C A III A 2006-03-24, 1:31 pm |
|
"C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
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>
The recent vaccine controversy in the UK regarding a potential link between
the combined MMR vacine (vaccinating children from mumps, measles and
rubella) and autism has prompted a resurgence in popularity of the "measles
party", where parents deliberately infect the child with measles in order to
build up the child's immunity without requiring an injection. This practice
poses many health risks to the child, and has been discouraged by the UK's
National Health Service.[1]
Measles is a significant infectious disease because, while the rate of
complications is not high, the disease itself is so infectious that the
sheer number of people who would suffer complications in an outbreak amongst
non-immune people would quickly overwhelm available hospital resources. If
vaccination rates fall, the number of non-immune persons in the community
rises and the risk of an outbreak of measles consequently rises.
from wiki
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"C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
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>
> from wiki
I have been "editing" on Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Whaleto
it is infested with Allopaths who suppress and non-Allopathic thinking
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| C A III A 2006-03-24, 6:28 pm |
|
"john" <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> "C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
> news:swWUf.15036$Da7.3720@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
>
> I have been "editing" on Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Whaleto
>
> it is infested with Allopaths who suppress and non-Allopathic thinking
When you edit that one let me know. I want to see what you wrote in there.
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"C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
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> ok. but wiki info i provided did come from a factual source, not pure
> fiction. and your pages describe people and an organization. i do not see
> a reason deleting it.
>
facts can be skewed, CDC are good at that, you just hype disease dangers
http://www.whale.to/v/ploy.html
the reason allopaths delete stuff is because of politics
Allopath JFW: "Baloney. It's not the criticsm we're suppressing, it's
whale.to. JFW all the articles on whale are not acceptable. Tabeh.JFW"
allopathy can't survive if the truth be known. They believe in the lies, as
their career depends on them
"In the entire history of man, no one has ever been brainwashed and
realized, or believed, that he had been brainwashed. Those who have been
brainwashed will usually passionately defend their manipulators."--D Sutphen
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| C A III A 2006-03-24, 6:28 pm |
| I would trust CDC over whale.to no offense.
"john" <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
> news:gDYUf.15177$Da7.9851@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
> facts can be skewed, CDC are good at that, you just hype disease dangers
> http://www.whale.to/v/ploy.html
>
> the reason allopaths delete stuff is because of politics
>
> Allopath JFW: "Baloney. It's not the criticsm we're suppressing, it's
> whale.to. JFW all the articles on whale are not acceptable. Tabeh.JFW"
>
> allopathy can't survive if the truth be known. They believe in the lies,
> as their career depends on them
>
> "In the entire history of man, no one has ever been brainwashed and
> realized, or believed, that he had been brainwashed. Those who have been
> brainwashed will usually passionately defend their manipulators."--D
> Sutphen
>
>
>
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| Jan Drew 2006-03-24, 6:28 pm |
| Oh Deara, where is Rich with his liar thief game?
Oh, that's right, Chicken C a 123 is a *gang* member.
"C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
news:wuWUf.15035$Da7.14644@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
> History of Measles
>
> References to measles can be found as far back as the 7th century A.D. In
> fact, the disease was described by Rhazes in the 10th Century A.D. as
> "more dreaded than smallpox." But all that changed in 1963 when the
> measles vaccine was first licenced in the U.S.
>
> Impact of the Measles Vaccine
> Prior to 1963, almost everyone got measles; it was an expected life
> event. Each year in the U.S. there were approximately 3 to 4 million cases
> and an average of 450 deaths, with epidemic cycles every 2 to 3 years.
> More than half the population had measles by the time they were 6 years
> old, and 90 % had the disease by the time they were 15. This indicates
> that many more cases were occurring than were being reported. However,
> after the vaccine became available, the number of measles cases dropped by
> 98 % and the epidemic cycles drastically diminished.
>
> Second Measles Vaccine Dose
> It was discovered that, between 1985 and 1988, many measles cases had
> occurred in children who had been vaccinated. While there were far fewer
> measles cases among vaccinated children than among unvaccinated, the
> children who received only one dose were not always protected from the
> disease. This led to the recommendation of a second dose for children
> between the ages of 5 and 19 years of age to ensure protection for those
> who had not developed immunity from the first dose.
>
> 1989-1990 Measles Epidemic
> A dramatic increase in measles cases occurred between 1989 and 1991.
> During those three years, 55,622 cases were reported Most of the cases
> occurred in children under 5 years of age, with the number of cases among
> unvaccinated Hispanic and African American populations being four to seven
> times higher than among non-Hispanic whites. This also marked the first
> time the number of measles cases for children under 5 years of age
> exceeded those for the 5 to 19 years old group.
>
> During this period, 123 people died from measles-related illnesses -
> almost half were under 5 years old. Ninety percent of those who lost their
> lives had not been vaccinated. The 64 deaths in 1990 was the largest
> number that had been seen in almost 20 years.
>
> Measles Outbreaks in Recent Years
> Since 1993, the largest outbreaks of measles have occurred in populations
> that refuse vaccination, including communities in Utah and Nevada, and in
> Christian Scientist schools in Missouri and Illinois. Smaller outbreaks
> were reported in unvaccinated preschool populations, vaccinated school
> populations, among college students, and in adult communities, but these
> outbreaks were much smaller than those reported during 1989-1991. In
> recent years, outbreaks of measles have been small (less than 50 cases)
> and have chiefly involved high school and college students who are
> unvaccinated or have received only one dose of measles No large
> preschool-type outbreak has been reported since 1992.
>
> Source of Today's Measles Cases
> In March of 2000, a group of expert consultants convened by the CDC
> concluded that measles is no longer endemic in the U.S. Rather, all cases
> in the U.S. appear to be the result of importations, with limited domestic
> spread. This means that the only measles cases we see in the U.S. today
> have been brought in from other countries, usually Europe and Asia. Due to
> an aggressive measles vaccination program by the Pan American Health
> organization, measles incidence is now very low in Latin America and the
> Caribbean. Measles elimination from the Americas appears to be an
> achievable goal.
>
>
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| C A III A 2006-03-24, 6:28 pm |
| Jan. You know of me just as much as I do of you. I don't even know your sex.
Is it male, female, neither, never? I would think you are the latter, since
you have so much energy you need to release.
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Oh Deara, where is Rich with his liar thief game?
>
> Oh, that's right, Chicken C a 123 is a *gang* member.
>
> "C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
> news:wuWUf.15035$Da7.14644@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
>
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"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:9Q%Uf.47841$2O6.24463@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
> Oh Deara, where is Rich with his liar thief game?
>
> Oh, that's right, Chicken C a 123 is a *gang* member.
>
Jan, do you have the evidence that C A III A did not write the "History of
Measles" himself. When I catch you lying and stealing, I post the url from
which you plagiarized. When you do the same for "History of Measles," I'll
join you in scolding C A III A for plagiarism.
--
--Rich
Recommended websites:
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/
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| C A III A 2006-03-25, 1:29 am |
| Shoot. I forgot to link. It is from CDC.
"Rich" <joshew@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:9Q%Uf.47841$2O6.24463@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> Jan, do you have the evidence that C A III A did not write the "History of
> Measles" himself. When I catch you lying and stealing, I post the url from
> which you plagiarized. When you do the same for "History of Measles," I'll
> join you in scolding C A III A for plagiarism.
> --
>
>
> --Rich
>
> Recommended websites:
>
> http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
> http://www.acahf.org.au
> http://www.quackwatch.org/
> http://www.skeptic.com/
> http://www.csicop.org/
>
>
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| Jan Drew 2006-03-25, 11:29 am |
|
"C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
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>I would trust CDC over whale.to no offense.
L O L!!
Care to look at the vested interest the CDC has in vaccines?
Give him an tour, John.
Oh, that's right, we are already there. Forgot, he just can't believe.
Naa, refuses to.
>
> "john" <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:koydnSkLXaOV87nZRVnygA@bt.com...
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>
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| Jan Drew 2006-03-25, 11:29 am |
|
"C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
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> Jan. You know of me just as much as I do of you. I don't even know your
> sex. Is it male, female, neither, I would think you are the latter, since
> you have so much energy you need to release.
That's it. That's it!
>
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:9Q%Uf.47841$2O6.24463@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
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>
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> "HCN" <hcn@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:M6adnej998AcC77ZRVn-gw@comcast.com...
>
>
> vaccines more dangerous than the vaccines?
>
> I presume you mean diseases
>
> pay attention
>
> the vaccines didn't eliminate measles deaths as they had declined 99.4%
> before vaccination, so any vaccine death or injury is compounded by the
> fact the vaccine was pointless for that reason
>
> kept up so far?
Uh, NO! Because you have not provided any details. You've just posted some
random numbers that could come from someone's head.
Here it is... In the United States of America there were over half a million
measles cases with 500 deaths before 1963 when the first measles vaccine was
licensed. Just about everyone one who was born before 1957 had contracted
measles because it is highly infectious.
When measles vaccination was more widespread, the number of cases in the
United States of America in 1983 (using the MMR which was licensed in the
early 1970's, the same one that started to be used in the UK after 1988) was
down to 1497.
That is a drop of over 99.7% POST vaccine!!!!!
And from 500 deaths to ZERO deaths!
Until 1989 to 1991 when 123 Americans died from measles because of a drop in
measles vaccination coverage (the solution to that was to change the
recommendation from 1 MMR to 2 MMR).
This is all written in http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/meas.pdf ...
which has extensive references.
>
> then measles is safe under proper medical care, whereas MMR kills and
> causes autism along with the mercury vaccines
>
> simple really, http://www.vaccination.org.uk/m/quotes19.html
Posting a vaccination mis-information website is not the same as posting
evidence. Try telling us which paper and journal that is actually looked at
by knowlegible folks for errors where it is written the MMR is more
dangerous and causes autism. The only paper I know of that claims MMR is a
cause for autism was discredited because the results were paid for by a
lawyer, a lawyer who even provided the "test subjects". The "research" in
that Lancet paper has never been replicated.
All that is written in the four papers referenced is stuff about
gastrointestinal concerns. Well, that is expected since he was a
gastrointerologist.
>
> but anyone selling/giving vaccines can't see the obvious truths, for
> obvious reasons
The NHS gives the MMR vaccine away because it is cheaper than treating sick
people. Like all the adolescents who have contracted mumps, with a
significant percentage whose after effects include the inability to ever
sire children. Also there is now an increase in measles, up to at least 65
children:
http://www.doncastertoday.co.uk/Vie...ticleID=1396451
>
>
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| Jan Drew 2006-03-25, 11:29 am |
|
"Rich" <joshew@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:9Q%Uf.47841$2O6.24463@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> Jan, do you have the evidence that C A III A did not write the "History of
> Measles" himself.
Rich, do you? It's your game, remember?
When I catch you lying and stealing, I post the url from
> which you plagiarized. When you do the same for "History of Measles," I'll
> join you in scolding C A III A for plagiarism.
Well, WHY is that, Rich? You have made yourself in charge of catching lying
and stealing from plagiarizing.
Just why should I play your silly game?
Now...get busy.
Of course Rich is a proven liar.
The Real burden of proof is on the accuser.
Rich has NO proof.
http://tinyurl.com/mlxxp
Furthermore he lies every time he posts.
>
> --Rich
http://www.ratbagsLIES
Three dead Children
http://tinyurl.com/9hkaj
http://tinyurl.com/bgqou
> http://www.acahf.org.au
[snip spam]
NO medical training
> http://www.quackwatch.org/
QUACK QUACK
*Alternative therapy" is a marketing term that should not be permitted.*
http://www.napa.ufl.edu/98news/alternat.htm
Schools Opening Up to Alternative Medicine
*While a few of those so accredited are naive physicians, most are
nonmedical persons who only play
at being doctor and use this certification as an umbrella for a host of
unproven New Age hokum treatments. Unfortunately, a few HMOs, hospitals, and
even medical schools are succumbing to the bait and exposing patients to
such bogus treatments when they need real medical care*
The National Council Against Health Fraud has concluded:
a.. Acupuncture is an unproven modality of treatment
That clearly is a LIE!!!!!
http://tinyurl.com/8qeg3
http://tinyurl.com/8caw5
http://rheumatology.oxfordjournals....ract/42/12/1508
http://tinyurl.com/7ajgz
{spin spam}
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| Jan Drew 2006-03-25, 11:29 am |
|
"Rich" <joshew@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
> news:J22Vf.26326$jf2.6501@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
> Thank you.
ROTFLOL!!!
A N D..........
> --
>
>
> --Rich
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"C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
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>I would trust CDC over whale.to no offense.
>
allopaths have to, but since they shill for allopathy it works OK for them
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/cdc.htm
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| C A III A 2006-03-25, 11:29 am |
| I don't believe crackheads.
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
> news:ja_Uf.15195$Da7.878@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
> L O L!!
>
> Care to look at the vested interest the CDC has in vaccines?
>
> Give him an tour, John.
>
> Oh, that's right, we are already there. Forgot, he just can't believe.
>
> Naa, refuses to.
>
>
>
>
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| C A III A 2006-03-25, 11:29 am |
| Stop spamming with your whales.
"john" <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
> news:ja_Uf.15195$Da7.878@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
>
> allopaths have to, but since they shill for allopathy it works OK for them
> http://www.whale.to/vaccines/cdc.htm
>
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| Mark Probert 2006-03-25, 11:29 am |
| C A III A wrote:
> "john" <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:ZJGdnb7dkatp17nZRVnysg@bt.com...
>
> When you edit that one let me know. I want to see what you wrote in there.
>
>
Bring barf bag.
http://members.tripod.com/vaccinesu...tivaxsites.html
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"HCN" <hcn@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Uh, NO! Because you have not provided any details. You've just posted
> some random numbers that could come from someone's head.
>
> Here it is... In the United States of America there were over half a
> million measles cases with 500 deaths before 1963 when the first measles
> vaccine was licensed. Just about everyone one who was born before 1957
> had contracted measles because it is highly infectious.
>
> When measles vaccination was more widespread, the number of cases in the
> United States of America in 1983 (using the MMR which was licensed in the
> early 1970's, the same one that started to be used in the UK after 1988)
> was down to 1497.
>
> That is a drop of over 99.7% POST vaccine!!!!!
>
> And from 500 deaths to ZERO deaths!
Yawn, you have to believe in vaccination, I don't.
"The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by
doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the result
of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of improved
nutrition. Here the role of the potato...deserves special
mention.....Consider carefully whether you want to let yourself or your
children undergo the dangerous, controversial, ineffective and no longer
necessary procedure called vaccination, because the claim that vaccinations
are the cause for the decline of infectious diseases is utter
nonsense."--The Vaccination Nonsense (2004 Lectures)---Dr. med. G. Buchwald
ISBN 3-8334-2508-3 page 108. http://www.vaccination.org.uk/b/hoax1.html
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| C A III A 2006-03-25, 1:22 pm |
|
"john" <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "HCN" <hcn@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:u6OdnX08JMwbm7jZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> Yawn, you have to believe in vaccination, I don't.
>
> "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by
> doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the
> result of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of
> improved nutrition. Here the role of the potato...deserves special
> mention.....Consider carefully whether you want to let yourself or your
> children undergo the dangerous, controversial, ineffective and no longer
> necessary procedure called vaccination, because the claim that
> vaccinations are the cause for the decline of infectious diseases is utter
> nonsense."--The Vaccination Nonsense (2004 Lectures)---Dr. med. G.
> Buchwald ISBN 3-8334-2508-3 page 108.
> http://www.vaccination.org.uk/b/hoax1.html
You cite the site that cites itself?
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| C A III A 2006-03-25, 1:22 pm |
|
"john" <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
> news:EocVf.6703$Mj.4047@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
> http://www.vaccination.org.uk/b/hoax1.html
>
OK.
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| Jan Drew 2006-03-26, 12:38 am |
|
"C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
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>I don't believe crackheads.
When truth is presented, typical for the *gang* to call names, insult and
snip.
>
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:Ry7Vf.41963$_S7.33039@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
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| Jan Drew 2006-03-26, 12:38 am |
|
"john" <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> "C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
> news:swWUf.15036$Da7.3720@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
>
> I have been "editing" on Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Whaleto
>
> it is infested with Allopaths who suppress and non-Allopathic thinking
Good work, John. Thanks for your dedication.
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| Jan Drew 2006-03-26, 12:38 am |
|
"Rich" <joshew@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
> news:J22Vf.26326$jf2.6501@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
> Thank you.
Note how this is enough information. No url.
Poor, Rich shows he is a hypocrite.
> --
>
>
> --Rich
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"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Rich" <joshew@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:uR2Vf.11905$w86.6556@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
> Note how this is enough information. No url.
>
> Poor, Rich shows he is a hypocrite.
Hypocrite how? You want me to chastise C', and call him a liar and a thief?
Unlike you, he admitted he screwed up. I doubt that he'll do it again. If,
on the other hand, he persists in the behavior (like you), or defends it and
denies that it is wrong, and even illegal (like you), then I will indeed get
on his case. Until then, I'll cut him some slack. Had you been more contrite
the first time I pointed out your infractions instead of snapping back with
the, "everybody does it and there's nothing wrong with it" defense, I would
have extended you the same courtesy.
--
--Rich
Recommended websites:
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/
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| David Wright 2006-03-26, 12:38 am |
| In article <i46dnRRlFPdxD7jZRVnytA@bt.com>, john <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"HCN" <hcn@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:u6OdnX08JMwbm7jZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>Yawn, you have to believe in vaccination, I don't.
>
>"The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by
>doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the result
>of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of improved
>nutrition.
Utter nonsense. Of course, that won't stop John from repeating it
until his fingers fall off.
I'd very much like to know about the revolution in nutrition in the
mid-1950s that cause polio to disappear, or the revolution in
nutrition in the 1960s that caused measles to disappear, or the
revolution in the 1990s that caused chickenpox to disappear.
Curiously, these disappearances all coincide with the introduction of
vaccines for the diseases in question.
>Here the role of the potato...deserves special mention.
Does it indeed?
>...Consider carefully whether you want to let yourself or your
>children undergo the dangerous, controversial, ineffective and no longer
>necessary procedure called vaccination, because the claim that vaccinations
>are the cause for the decline of infectious diseases is utter
>nonsense."--The Vaccination Nonsense (2004 Lectures)---Dr. med. G. Buchwald
>ISBN 3-8334-2508-3 page 108. http://www.vaccination.org.uk/b/hoax1.html
Dr Buchenwald can keep his head in the sand if he wishes.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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| C A III A 2006-03-26, 12:38 am |
|
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:EXhVf.8579$tN3.7516@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...[vbcol=seagreen]
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> "Rich" <joshew@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:uR2Vf.11905$w86.6556@tornado.socal.rr.com...
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> Note how this is enough information. No url.
>
> Poor, Rich shows he is a hypocrite.
You said you use your computer, obviously not. Neither can you use your head
and type "cdc history of measles" in google/yahoo
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/diseases/measles/history.htm
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| David Wright 2006-03-26, 12:38 am |
| In article <c9OdnZU0z4u-DrjZnZ2dnUVZ8qadnZ2d@bt.com>,
john <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"C A III A" <non@non.non> wrote in message
>news:EocVf.6703$Mj.4047@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>http://www.vaccination.org.uk/b/hoax1.html
The real hoax is the idea that the quotations on this page are proof
of anything except that the quotees don't like vaccination.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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| Mark Probert 2006-03-26, 12:38 am |
| C A III A wrote:
> "john" <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:i46dnRRlFPdxD7jZRVnytA@bt.com...
> You cite the site that cites itself?
John does everything in crop circles.
Just do not use an ad hominem against him, or he will call you names,
like allopath.
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| David Wright 2006-03-26, 5:31 pm |
| In article <dvqvdd$n2r$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
john <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"Robert" <Robertsnospam2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:HPednZ9CZ6v0Zr3ZRVn-pQ@got.net...
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>You have to lie when you are selling quack medicine like vaccination and 98%
>of pharma drugs, obviously. It is all based on the smallpox lie--it killed
>millions rather than saving them.
>
>You pharam boys have to believe the lies, obviously
>
>WHO http://www.whale.to/a/who_q.html
>CDC http://www.whale.to/vaccines/cdc.htm
>
>"The CDC would be the last place in the world to go for information
>regarding health. The CDC is a government bureacracy funded by theft
>(taxation that has reached confiscatory levels) and run by white collar
>criminals who regularly misinform and misdirect the public while creating
>pandemonium in the marketplace (unnecessary destruction of livestock,
>recalls etc) and conspiring to incite public panic on an almost daily basis,
>in violation of the constitution of the United States."--Dr Duffy DC
Dr Duffy would be the last place in the world to go for information
about vaccination. Like too many DCs, he's bought into the myths that
an unfortunate fraction of his profession promulgates. In addition,
his little diatribe about taxes is irrelevant to his point, nor has he
presented any evidence to bolster his position.
John has yet to learn that simply calling someone names is not a
persuasive argument. I can show reams of evidence that vaccination
does prevent the diseases it claims to prevent. All John can do is
present red herrings about how deaths from infectious disease were
also mitigated by better supportive treatment and better nutrition,
none of which actually got rid of the diseases.
>You are the brainwashed, by the medical industry, sad really
>"Despite the tendency of doctors to call modern medicine an 'inexact
>science', it is more accurate to say there is practically no science in
>modern medicine at all. Almost everything doctors do is based on a
>conjecture, a guess, a clinical impression, a whim, a hope, a wish, an
>opinion or a belief. In short, everything they do is based on anything but
>solid scientific evidence. Thus, medicine is not a science at all, but a
>belief system. Beliefs are held by every religion, including the Religion of
>Modern Medicine." Robert Mendelsohn MD Preface by Hans Ruesch to 1000
>Doctors (and many more) Against Vivisection
Ah, Mendelsohn, who excoriated his colleages about their ineffective
treatment of heart disease and then died of it himself.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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| David Wright 2006-03-30, 12:27 am |
| In article <dvqsp9$qv3$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
john <scu23@btinternet.com> wrote:
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>"HCN" <hcn@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:vqSdnVqdMvdPDL3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
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>
>Measles http://www.whale.to/m/quotes19.html
Quotes are not evidence of anything except your ability to quote
someone.
>
>MMR is dangerous, it kills and is along with mercury vaccines, a main
>cause of autism. Using third world stats to sell first world
>vaccines is lying with the truth, for one thing trusting WHO/CDC
>stats is trusting proven liars, who are just shills for the pharma
>companies. They use measles vaccines to kill off African children as
>you shouldn't vaccinate malnourished children, you can see them at it
>with the OPV:
John apparently wants to kill off malnourished children. Of course,
he doesn't believe any vaccines work, no matter what evidence is
presented. However, those of us who follow these things know that
vaccinating malnourished children keeps them from getting the diseases
that could indeed kill them.
>"According to government, measles was a threat to national interest,
>claiming more than 40,000 lives every year (a statistic which is
>laughable since most people who get measles stay at home and treat it
>and the majority of sick people go to private clinics that do not
>keep records this figure was of course trumped up). This of course is
>a questionable statistic since the majority of deaths in Uganda are
>not registered and few parents remember any measles death. No point
>in registering a person once he has died. Forty thousand people are
>far much less than those killed in Uganda annually due to the civil
>war, dwarfs the figure for malaria, which kills a child every five
>second and for which governments is happy to ignore
Apparently, this person considers 40,000 deaths to be of no
consequence just because other causes are worse. A strange attitude.
Also, gives no evidence that there is no basis for the 40,000 number,
just heaps scorn on it. Typical.
By an interesting coincidence, there is a study about vaccination in
Uganda:
J Infect Dis. 2003 May 15;187 Suppl 1:S63-8
Impact of mass measles campaigns among children less than 5 years
old in Uganda.
Nanyunja M, Lewis RF, Makumbi I, Seruyange R, Kabwongera E,
Mugyenyi P, Talisuna A.
Uganda Virus Research Institute, Ministry of Health, Entebbe,
Uganda. mnanyunja@who.imul.com
In 1999-2001, a national measles control strategy was implemented
in Uganda, including routine immunization and mass vaccination
campaigns for children aged 6 months to 5 years. This study
assesses the impact of the campaigns on measles morbidity and
mortality. Measles cases reported from 1992 through 2001 were
obtained from the Health Management Information System, and
measles admissions and deaths were assessed in six sentinel
hospitals. Measles incidence declined by 39%, measles admissions
by 60%, and measles deaths by 63% in the year following the
campaigns, with impact lasting 15 to 22 months. Overall, 64% of
measles cases were among children <5 years of age, and 93% were
among children </=15 years old. The cost per child vaccinated was
$0.86. Routine immunization coverage remained low, at 61% in
2001. To eliminate measles in Uganda, routine immunization should
be strengthened, campaigns should be conducted among those <15
years of age, and nationwide case-based measles surveillance
should be put in place.
PMID: 12721893 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>.......The forcing
>of them to take a vaccine against a disease they know to be harmless and
>which they know how to cure in its harmful state was seen as government hell
>bent on killing its own population for the benefit of commanding whiteworld.
>All village people know that once you have recovered from measles you will
>never catch it again, but here they were telling people to vaccinate even
>those who have recovered from measles. "--Kihura Nkuba 2003
>http://www.whale.to/a/kihura.htm
It's nice to know that the anti-vax loons are an international
phenomenon and no country is deprived of having its own.
>They say that if children are not vaccinated against measles millions of
>children could die during a measles epidemic. They know this is nonsense.
See above.
>What they are using is examples taken from developing countries with poor
>nutrition and poor immune function in which such epidemic death can occur.
>In the United States we would not see this because of better nutrition,
>better health facilities and better sanitation. In fact, most deaths seen
>when measles outbreaks occur in the United States occur either in children
>in which vaccination was contraindicated, the vaccine did not work or in
>children with chronic, immune-suppressing diseases. In fact, in most
>studies these children catching the measles or other childhood diseases have
>been either fully immunized or partially immunized. The big secret among
>"vaccinologists" is that anywhere from 20 to 50% of children are not
>resistant to the diseases for which they have been immunized. THE TRUTH
>BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP By Russell Blaylock, M.D.
The usual lying with half truths. It's true that some children can't
be vaccinated and that the vaccine doesn't work with some, but the "20
to 50%" figure, at least for measles, is total nonsense; the actual
numbers I've seen are somewhere under 10%. If the vaccine only worked
half the time, we'd still have constant and large measles outbreaks.
Indeed, one of the advantages of vaccination is that it prevents
epidemics, thus protecting those children who cannot be vaccinated or
in whom the vaccine does not work.
>"In 1980 approx 39% of the world's children (141 million) suffered
>from some degree of malnutrition."--The Malnourished Child by Robert
>Suskind, Louisiana State university School of Med.
Quite likely, though 25 years out of date.
>Malnutrition is to blame for more than half of all the deaths of children
>around the world -- including deaths caused by diarrhea, pneumonia, malaria
>and measles, researchers said on Thursday. Poor nourishment leaves children
>underweight and weakened and vulnerable to infections that do not have to be
>fatal, the team at the World Health Organization and Johns Hopkins
>University in Baltimore found. They estimated that feeding all children
>worldwide an adequate diet would prevent about 1 million deaths a year from
>pneumonia, 800,000 from diarrhea, 500,000 from malaria, and 250,000 from
>measles...... They estimate that 52.5 percent of all deaths in young
>children were attributable to undernourishment, with nearly 45 percent of
>measles deaths and more than 60 percent of deaths from diarrhea associated
>with low weight and poor nutrition. [Media, Jun 17] Better Nutrition Could
>Save Millions of Kids-Study
Quite possibly. But you can vaccinate a child for a buck. You can't
make him well-nourished for years for a buck.
>
>Yes, DPT vaccines kicked off autism, and kills at least 100 kids every year
>in the USA
>
>it never reduced or eliminated anything, apart from the taxpayers pocketbook
>http://www.whale.to/vaccines/whooping.htm
I was particularly charmed by one of the links on this page, provided
by the "vaccination information network." "Disinformation" would be
more like it. There's one supposed JAMA reference in 1992; the only
such I could find reported that DPT was quite effective. This sort of
thing is typical for whale.to.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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