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| Nioski 2005-12-14, 5:59 pm |
| My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .
I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
and my BodyMassIndex is 26
Should I really worry ?
Thanks in advance
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| Waterspider 2005-12-14, 5:59 pm |
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"Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote...
> My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .
> I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
"Often... but only."
Sheesh, make up my mind!
> Should I really worry ?
Should you *really* worry as opposed to just worry normally?
Gee, I dunno.
Do you have hepatitis?
Do you have liver damage?
Has a doctor advised you to stop or slow down your drinking?
Or are you just looking for someone to say, "Yeah, party hardy, drink all
the alcohol you want cuz it's good for you?" when you *know* that drinking
causes liver damage and *that's* why your ALTs and ASTs are elevated?
Waterspider
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| Waterspider 2005-12-14, 5:59 pm |
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"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote uk...
> nioskidol@yahoo.it (Nioski) wrote:
>
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> Would you like to discuss this over a drink?
Every once in a while, you succeed at being more succint than me ;)
WS
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| In article <11q11c2i9i2j376@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:
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> "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote...
>
>
>
> "Often... but only."
> Sheesh, make up my mind!
>
>
> Should you *really* worry as opposed to just worry normally?
> Gee, I dunno.
> Do you have hepatitis?
> Do you have liver damage?
> Has a doctor advised you to stop or slow down your drinking?
> Or are you just looking for someone to say, "Yeah, party hardy, drink all
> the alcohol you want cuz it's good for you?" when you *know* that drinking
> causes liver damage and *that's* why your ALTs and ASTs are elevated?
>
> Waterspider
Dear Spidey, when will you learn that life is just a sexually-transmitted
terminal condition?
Alan
"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."
Nemesis Peace Centre
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.../protector.html
Abuse of Women and Children
http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/
Nemesis News
http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/
Absolute Anarchy
http://lordcerneabbastoo.blogspot.com/
http://www.john-lennon.com/
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| Waterspider 2005-12-14, 5:59 pm |
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"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214213255.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
> Hey Spidey, how about if we have a succinct contest? Your place or mine?
> :-)
Yes.
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| In article <11q14m0m4pk9efc@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:
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> "Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:memo.20051214213255.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
>
>
> Yes.
Hey, are you trying to lead me into temptation? :-)
I just found this link:
http://www.ecofuture.org/pk/pkar9504.html
n 1992 the novel Ishmael was awarded the Turner Tomorrow Fellowship -- an award
for authors whose fiction helps produce solutions to global problems. Ishmael
tells the story of a man who sees an advertisement in the Personals section of
his local newspaper:
TEACHER seeks pupil. Must have an earnest desire
to save the world. Apply in person.
The man is furious, assuming some fraud placed the ad to prey on idealistic
young dreamers. He goes to the interview, driven to prove the "teacher" is
really a charlatan. At the interview, the man finds himself alone in an
abandoned office with a full grown gorilla who nibbles delicately on a slender
branch. "You are the teacher?" he asks incredulously.
"I am the teacher," the gorilla replies telepathically. The gorilla, Ishmael,
proves to be a genuine teacher of immense wisdom.
What follows is a journey from the birth of life, through human pre-history,
history, and on to a possible future path in which humankind begins living in
harmony with a rarely recognized law of nature. The novel transcends mechanical
ecology, offering a vision of life-affirming meaning and deep spirituality.
Ishmael tells the history of the world in a way that never appeared in any
school textbook.
"Is it man's destiny to rule the world? Or is a higher destiny possible for him
-- one more wonderful than man has ever imagined for himself?"
Howie Richey has distilled the major themes of Ishmael into a concept summary.
Following are a few sample quotes:
Chapter 1-6:
... Ishmael thought for a moment, "Among the people of your culture, which
want to destroy the world?"
"Which want to destroy it? As far as I know, no one specifically wants to
destroy the world."
"And yet you do destroy it, each of you. Each of you contributes daily to
the destruction of the world."
"Yes, that's so."
"Why don't you stop?"
I shrugged, "Frankly, we don't know how."
"You're captives of a civilizational system that more or less compels you to
go on destroying the world in order to live."
"Yes, that's the way it seems."
Chapter 2-1:
... "I'm telling you this because the people of your culture are in much the
same situation. Like the people of Nazi Germany, they are the captives of a
story."
I sat there blinking for a while. "I know of no such story," I told him at
last.
"You mean you've never heard of it?"
"That's right."
Ishmael nodded. "That's because there's no need to hear of it. There's no
need to name it or discuss it. Every one of you knows it by heart by the time
you're six or seven. ...And you hear it incessantly, because every medium of
propaganda, every medium of education pours it out incessantly. ...It's like the
humming of a distant motor that never stops, it becomes a sound that's no longer
heard at all."
"This is very interesting," I told him. "But it's also a little hard to
believe."
Ishmael's eyes closed gently in an indulgent smile. "Belief is not required.
Once you know this story, you'll hear it everywhere in your culture, and you'll
be astonished that the people around you don't hear it as well but merely take
it in."
Chapter 2-1:
... "First, some vocabulary. Let's have some names so we don't have to go on
talking about 'the people of your culture' and 'the people of all other
cultures.' I've used various names with various pupils, but I'm going to try a
new pair with you. You're familiar with the expression 'Take it or leave it.'
Using them in this sense, do the words takers and leavers have any heavy
connotation for you?"
"I'm not sure what you mean."
"I mean, if I call one group Takers and the other group Leavers, will this
sound like I'm setting up one to be good guys and the other to be bad guys?"
"No. They sound pretty neutral to me."
"Good. So henceforth I'm going to call the people of your culture Takers and
the people of all other cultures Leavers."
I hmmm'ed a bit. "I have a problem with that."
"...I mean that the people of London and Paris and Baghdad and Seoul and
Detroit and Buenos Aires and Toronto all know that -- whatever else separates
them -- they are united in being civilized and distinct from Stone Age peoples
scattered all over the world. ...Would you be more comfortable if we used these
terms, civilized and primitive?"
"Yes, I suppose I would be, but only because I'm used to them. Takers and
Leavers is fine with me."
Chapter 2-6:
"If Mother Culture were to give an account of human history using these
terms, it would go something like this: ' The Leavers were chapter one of human
history -- a long and uneventful chapter. Their chapter of human history ended
about ten thousand years ago with the birth of agriculture in the Near East.
This event marked the beginning of chapter two, the chapter of the Takers. It's
true there are still Leavers living in the world, but these are anachronisms,
fossils -- people living in the past, people who just don't realize that their
chapter of human history is over. ' "
"Right."
"This is the general shape of human history as it's perceived in your
culture."
"I would say so."
"As you'll come to see, what I'm saying is quite different from this. The
Leavers are not chapter one of a story in which the Takers are chapter two."
"Say that again?"
"I'll say it differently. The Leavers and the Takers are enacting two
separate stories, based on entirely different and contradictory premises. This
is something we'll be looking at later, so you don't have to understand it right
this second."
Chapter 6-2:
... "Are you exempt from the laws of aerodynamics?"
"No."
"Genetics?"
"No."
"Thermodynamics?"
"No."
"Can you think of any laws at all from which humans are exempt?"
"Not offhand."
"Let me know if you do. That will be real news."
"Okay."
"But meanwhile, if there does happen to be a law that governs behavior in
the community of life in general [would humans be exempt from it?]"
"Well, that's what Mother Culture says."
"And what do you say?"
"I don't know. I don't see how a law for turtles or butterflies could be of
much relevance to us. I assume that turtles and butterflies follow the law
you're talking about."
"That's right, they do. As to relevance, the laws of aerodynamics weren't
always relevant to you, were they?"
"No."
"When did they become relevant?"
"Well ... when we wanted to fly."
"When you want to fly, the laws governing flight become relevant."
"Yes, that's right."
"And when you're on the brink of extinction and want to live for a while
longer, the laws governing life might conceivably become relevant."
"Yes, I suppose they might."
Chapter 6-3:
... "It's hard to believe our own biologists aren't aware of this law."
"... You have to remember that when Newton articulated the law of gravity,
no one was astounded. It's not a superhuman achievement to notice that
unsupported objects fall toward the center of the earth. Everyone past the age
of two knows that. Newton's achievement was not in discovering the phenomenon of
gravity, it was in formulating the phenomenon as a law."
"Yes, I see what you mean."
"In the same way, nothing you discover here about life in the community of
life is going to astound anyone, certainly not naturalists or biologists or
animal behaviorists. My achievement, if I succeed, will simply be in formulating
it as a law."
Hey Spidey, do you think that I could study geology and not learn these things?
We live on this planet and the planet could just shuffle us off and inside 100
years there would be no traces left and the country that has been hit so bad by
the three biggest hurricanes of all time still does not see? They think their
money and power is going to save them but when it comes down to what is coming
they just haven't got a hope in hell.
Alan
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/enigma.html
http://veloceraptor.blogspot.com/
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| greyhackles 2005-12-14, 5:59 pm |
| On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote:
>My ALT (142) and AST (65) levels are very high .
>
>I often drink alcohol, but only on weekends,
>and my BodyMassIndex is 26
>
>Should I really worry ?
>
>Thanks in advance
How does one measure "really worry"?
Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could easily be
many times higher than yours.
Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to something already
diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase now. Not
later...
So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".
Cheers - and good luck.
/greyhackles
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| In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
> On 14 Dec 2005 11:15:18 -0800, "Nioski" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote:
>
>
> How does one measure "really worry"?
>
> Your levels are clearly high, though with acute injury they could easily be
> many times higher than yours.
>
> Bottom line, if you can't attribute the elevated LFTs to something already
> diagnosed, it would be prudent to start the investigational phase now. Not
> later...
>
> So call it "worried enough to find out what the problem is".
>
> Cheers - and good luck.
>
> /greyhackles
Ash-sea is that way ----------->
Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.
Lord Cerne Abbas
Humpty Dumpty Bush fell off the Iraq wall.
Humpty Dumpty Bush had a big fall.
All his spin doctors and all the President's men
couldn't put Humpty Dumpty Bush together again.
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/identity.html
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/mylinks.html
http://www.john-lennon.com/
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| greyhackles 2005-12-14, 5:59 pm |
| On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>In article <nm81q1hi5bgmsfiu5lv9tr6tackv70rfvf@4ax.com>,
>greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
>
>
>Ash-sea is that way ----------->
>
>Unless you are looking for a reciprocal visit, that is.
<yawn>
<scratch><scratch>
Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be any worse
than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In fact I wager
you'd provide an amusing interlude.
For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to his own poasts
here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the silence...
btw, your memory is slipping.
ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left it.
Cheers, and be well.
/greyhackles
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| In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
> alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>
>
> <yawn>
> <scratch><scratch>
>
> Bring it on, if you must. I've seen your work, and it wouldn't be any worse
> than the chest thumping crusader shite currently on display. In fact I wager
> you'd provide an amusing interlude.
>
> For someone who spends an inordinate amount of time replying to his own poasts
> here, you surely ought to have appreciated a break from the silence...
>
> btw, your memory is slipping.
> ash-c is actually over <----------- there, right where you left it.
>
> Cheers, and be well.
>
> /greyhackles
That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but there are two
factors they don't know.
1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is rather
significant.
2. Everything posted to this newsgroup gets archived for ever in certain
European medical forums. Hey, Google is your friend. Check it out for yourself.
Alan
"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."
Nemesis Peace Centre
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.../protector.html
Abuse of Women and Children
http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/
Nemesis News
http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/
Absolute Anarchy
http://lordcerneabbastoo.blogspot.com/
http://www.john-lennon.com/
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| Waterspider 2005-12-14, 5:59 pm |
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"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214223438.352G@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
> In article <11q14m0m4pk9efc@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
> (Waterspider) wrote:
>
>
> Hey, are you trying to lead me into temptation? :-)
Nope, just won the succinctness contest.
<grin>
Spidey
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| In article <memo.20051214234259.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
> In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
> greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
>
>
> That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but there are two
> factors they don't know.
>
> 1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is rather
> significant.
And of course, the living proof of that is the fact that you and Spidey come
rushing in every time a newbie shows up, but somehow this time, I just don't see
you convincing anybody from Italy that drinking wine is bad.
*snigger*
Lord Cerne Abbas
Humpty Dumpty Bush fell off the Iraq wall.
Humpty Dumpty Bush had a big fall.
All his spin doctors and all the President's men
couldn't put Humpty Dumpty Bush together again.
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/identity.html
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/mylinks.html
http://www.john-lennon.com/
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| Waterspider 2005-12-15, 1:02 am |
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"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051214235349.792A@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
> In article <memo.20051214234259.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
> alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>
>
> And of course, the living proof of that is the fact that you and Spidey
> come
> rushing in every time a newbie shows up, but somehow this time, I just
> don't see
> you convincing anybody from Italy that drinking wine is bad.
I don't come rushing in every time a newbie shows up; I'm here all the time
and post what, where and when I please. If I happen to respond to a newbie,
so what? You read my response to Nioski; do you disagree with it?
Spidey
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| In article <11q1el517svaf5c@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:
>
> "Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:memo.20051214235349.792A@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
>
> I don't come rushing in every time a newbie shows up; I'm here all the time
> and post what, where and when I please. If I happen to respond to a newbie,
> so what? You read my response to Nioski; do you disagree with it?
>
> Spidey
If you and I are always here then it is Greynuts who is talking shit, not me.
But Italians have wine with their food the way you or I would have tea or
coffee. And even my doctor did not tell me that I mustn't drink. This is just
the way of thinking of American doctors and I bet Nioski's doctor is like mine,
and for that matter, Anja's, and PVTS's.
Alan
"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."
Nemesis Peace Centre
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.../protector.html
Abuse of Women and Children
http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/
Nemesis News
http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/
Absolute Anarchy
http://lordcerneabbastoo.blogspot.com/
http://www.john-lennon.com/
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| Waterspider 2005-12-15, 1:02 am |
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"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051215005906.1012A@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
> In article <11q1el517svaf5c@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
> (Waterspider) wrote:
>
>
> If you and I are always here then it is Greynuts who is talking shit, not
> me.
Aw c'mon, Alan! He's right, it is a little boring in here with just the two
of us. I like Grey's posts; he's got a brain and a sense of humour, the same
reasons that I like your posts.
>
> But Italians have wine with their food the way you or I would have tea or
> coffee. And even my doctor did not tell me that I mustn't drink. This is
> just
> the way of thinking of American doctors and I bet Nioski's doctor is like
> mine,
> and for that matter, Anja's, and PVTS's.
Now don't go believing everything your doctor tells (or not tells) you
without confirming it for yourself because not all doctors are intelligent,
competent or dilligent. I could tell you horror stories about bad advice and
bad decisions made by doctors.
There's a volume of solid, scientific evidence that drinking alcohol is
harmful to a liver with fibrosis or cirrhosis damage, which neither of us
will dispute. At what amount it becomes harmful, I don't know, but it looks
to me like our Italian newbie wants someone to reassure him that drinking is
no problem, and it looks like someone (his doctor?) may have recommended
otherwise. Si?
Spidey
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| greyhackles 2005-12-15, 1:02 am |
| On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:42 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>In article <99a1q1hvm9a8b58fhg3pl2e94dvk0s4jdk@4ax.com>,
>greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
>
>
>That's what the *feral* *cave* *dwellers* like to tell you, but there are two
>factors they don't know.
>
>1. In any newsgroup the percentage of lurkers to active posters is rather
>significant.
And?
What is the sound of a group full of lurkers?
>2. Everything posted to this newsgroup gets archived for ever in certain
>European medical forums. Hey, Google is your friend. Check it out for yourself.
Do you understand the term "non sequitur"?
Cheers
/greyhackles
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| greyhackles 2005-12-15, 1:02 am |
| On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:53 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>In article <memo.20051214234259.352C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
>alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>
>
>And of course, the living proof of that is the fact that you and Spidey come
>rushing in every time a newbie shows up, but somehow this time, I just don't see
>you convincing anybody from Italy that drinking wine is bad.
"Come rushing in"? Is that what you call responding to posted requests for
opinions?
Of course, being at least minimally sentient, you noted I made no attempt to
be critical, nor did I even mention the theory that his apparent condition had
or has anything to do with alcohol in any form.
Anyway....may we cut to the chase scene?
Clearly, anyone that actually is willing to dialog with newbies (or perhaps
*anyone*) here is a threat to your sense of control.
Well, that's tough nuggies, son. I got my Anti-XXXXtard inoculation on board,
so I have no reason to slink off.
Life is full of disappointments. Deal with it.
>*snigger*
*shonkey*
/greyhackles
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| In article <lsh1q15k1n6ivrtoer1rcm0f7o43fqamps@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
> What is the sound of a group full of lurkers?
Shall I put it another way? I could name six of the lurkers, and shall we say
that I know that they know full well when I post some useful and when I am
simply winding *feral* *cave* *dwellers* up.
> Do you understand the term "non sequitur"?
Yes! It's one of those expressions that certain people like to use to make
themselves sound impressive to the average *feral* *cave* *dweller*
My school badge said something like that in Latin too, but in reality Latin is
as dead as the old Roman Empire, and as dead as the New Roman Empire will soon
be. The trouble with Roman Empires is that they tend to be destroyed from
internal insurrection while their armies are fighting "Barbaric hoards"
attacking from the east. My favourite part of Julius Caesar was as he lay there
dying after his friends stabbed him to death and he says "Et Tu Bruti".
Alan
"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."
Nemesis Peace Centre
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.../protector.html
Abuse of Women and Children
http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/
Nemesis News
http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/
Absolute Anarchy
http://lordcerneabbastoo.blogspot.com/
http://www.john-lennon.com/
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| In article <11q1h51m63evo60@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:
>
> "Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:memo.20051215005906.1012A@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
>
> Aw c'mon, Alan! He's right, it is a little boring in here with just the two
> of us. I like Grey's posts; he's got a brain and a sense of humour, the same
> reasons that I like your posts.
But he is wrong about you and I being here alone. We may be the only ones
posting but we are by no means here alone :-)
>
> Now don't go believing everything your doctor tells (or not tells) you
> without confirming it for yourself because not all doctors are intelligent,
> competent or dilligent. I could tell you horror stories about bad advice and
> bad decisions made by doctors.
>
> There's a volume of solid, scientific evidence that drinking alcohol is
> harmful to a liver with fibrosis or cirrhosis damage, which neither of us
> will dispute. At what amount it becomes harmful, I don't know, but it looks
> to me like our Italian newbie wants someone to reassure him that drinking is
> no problem, and it looks like someone (his doctor?) may have recommended
> otherwise. Si?
>
> Spidey
Oh damn. I was kinda hoping that he would be a she. My first wife's mother, the
grandmother of my kids, was actually born in Rome. I was kinda wondering if I
could learn Italian over a few glasses of wine. Or maybe I am just being bad
again? LOL Some folks believe everything in newsgroups yaknow?
http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/...an-freedom.html
Alan
"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."
Nemesis Peace Centre
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.../protector.html
Abuse of Women and Children
http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/
Nemesis News
http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/
Absolute Anarchy
http://lordcerneabbastoo.blogspot.com/
http://www.john-lennon.com/
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| greyhackles 2005-12-15, 10:59 am |
| On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:07 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
[...]
>
>Do you ever get the feeling that things could be going very much awry?
Sure. All the time.
It is a reminder that "Life" is a tenuous proposition at best...
/greyhackles
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| greyhackles 2005-12-15, 10:59 am |
| On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>In article <lsh1q15k1n6ivrtoer1rcm0f7o43fqamps@4ax.com>,
>greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
>
>
>Shall I put it another way? I could name six of the lurkers, and shall we say
>that I know that they know full well when I post some useful and when I am
>simply winding *feral* *cave* *dwellers* up.
You misspelled "bloviating".
No doubt there are plenty of lurkers about this place, I've never debated the
point.
They are the audience for whom you perform, after all...
>
>Yes! It's one of those expressions that certain people like to use to make
>themselves sound impressive to the average *feral* *cave* *dweller*
<zzzzzzzzzzzzz>
Weak.
Btw, if you start running out of asterisks, you can use '+' instead, with no
loss of impact...
Cheers
/greyhackles (and hth ;-)
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| In article <gvv2q1pdb2mgbbmf4behjfq8ae6h8acjm9@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:07 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
> alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> Sure. All the time.
> It is a reminder that "Life" is a tenuous proposition at best...
>
> /greyhackles
>
http://www.informationclearinghouse...rticle10237.htm
A Nation of Fools
By Charles Sullivan
09/10/05 "ICH" -- -- My entire family is being played for fools by the power
brokers in Washington; and they don't even have a clue about how they are being
manipulated. I am embarrassed for them. The truth is out there; but no one is
bringing it to our door step. You have to look hard. You have to want to know
the facts. You have to care about social justice; and that requires effort; it
requires living with a troubled conscience and trying to set things right. It
requires that you inform yourself and make an effort to change things. The
trouble is that most Americans don't want to know the truth because it would
make them uncomfortable. So they turn their heads the other way and allow
themselves to be distracted from their civic and patriotic duties. It is easier
to display the flag and plaster their cars with 'Support our troops' stickers.
This mode of being requires no real effort; nor accountability.
Their government is murdering millions of innocent people all around the planet,
torturing people and toppling both democratic and progressive governments; it is
committing acts of terror against the world's working poor; it is plundering
their homelands and stealing their wealth. How can any person of conscience
remain indifferent toward these acts? How can we wave our flags and support our
troops when this is what they are doing? Is this their idea of liberation? Is
this their perception of Democracy? Is this the kind of nation we want to be?
While this is going on they are concerned only about shopping, mindless
consumption, and watching American Idol. As citizens, they have been rendered
totally useless. Fascism flourishes where citizens are inactive and uninformed.
Where there is apathy there is fascism.
When will the people learn that the interests of big business and multinational
corporations; the interest of the ruling class-are not our interests? When an
American president-it doesn't matter which one-talks about protecting American
interests, whose interest do they mean? They mean the interest of the ruling
class-the Rockefellers, Carnegies, Murdochs, the Cheneys and the Bushes. They
mean the interest of General Electric, Halliburton, Bechtel, Boeing, Wal-mart,
Northrup-Grumman; Raytheon, Exxon-Mobil; Shell Oil and Texaco. These are not my
interests. Nor are they the interests of ninety-nine percent of the populace.
And they certainly are not noble causes to fight and die for.
Most of my fellow citizens would be as angry as I am about all of this if they
knew what I know. But they don't want to know, damn them! It would threaten
their comfortable existence. It might even activate some spark of hidden
conscience that would force them into action.
It's not that we are a nation of stooges and idiots (though it certainly appears
that way at times); it is that we are a nation of the lazy and morbidly
obese-physically, mentally and spiritually. From cradle to grave we are exposed
to the brave new world of Madison Avenue, the endless stream of corporate
propaganda that dull our senses and wear us down. The assault upon our
sensibilities is constant. Our view of the world is misshapened, distorted into
the grotesque in the mirrors of the corporate media. We are a nation of addicts.
Some of our addictions include: oil, entertainment, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes,
conspicuous consumption and hubris. There is nothing wrong with being
entertained, per se. But it must be in healthy proportions to being informed. As
journalist Bill Moyers has observed, 'We are not getting the information we need
to make us free.'
As a result, the age of reason is nearing an end. We are careening back into the
abyss of ignorance and fear that characterized the Dark Ages. Evidence for this
consists in the rise of nationalism, jingoism, intolerance and religious
fundamentalism. If we don't soon wake from our zombie state, we will no longer
teach the truth of evolution in our public schools. The stage is already set in
Kansas for that sorry event to take place. Science and understanding will be
supplanted by religious dogma and zealotry. No proof, no evidence will be
necessary. We will live our lives by faith-blind faith; deaf and dumb faith.
Ecological literacy will become a forgotten dream, as the earth sinks into
irrevocable ruin in the bilge of consumption and industrial waste we created.
Heretics, as was done in the past, will be subject to persecution; burned at the
stake as blasphemers. Copernicus and Giordano Bruno will welcome the company.
Free thinking and the publication of non-religious books will be banned. White
supremacists (as they do now in the slave states) will hold the reins of power;
and a new era of industrial slavery will be ushered in. Behold the twelve hour
work day; rejoice in the seventy-two hour work week. And it will be called a
free and open society-a Christian Nation. It will be called the Greatest Nation
on Earth. It will be called 'Amerika.' Religious leaders will openly call for
the assassination of democratically elected presidents of sovereign nations. The
CIA and its henchmen will obediently carry out the orders. Ignorant,
supercilious, bumbling stooges will be our war time presidents. We will exist in
a state of perpetual war. Ours' will be a permanent war time economy, until its
collapse in a few short decades of flaming exuberance. The war machine must be
fed with our babies-those of the working class. Elections will be rigged and
their outcomes predetermined by electronic voting machines that leave no paper
trails. Ignorance will be called truth. Hate will be called love. Words will
have no meaning. The fascist police state is emerging. Take heed.
Charles Sullivan is a furniture maker, photographer and free lance writer living
in the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia. He can be reached at:
earthdog@highstream.net. First published at www.Counterpunch.org
Alan
"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."
Nemesis Peace Centre
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.../protector.html
Abuse of Women and Children
http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/
Nemesis News
http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/
Absolute Anarchy
http://lordcerneabbastoo.blogspot.com/
http://www.john-lennon.com/
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| In article <ra03q11kir6qdfmos82h4ra2tc0eo31o4q@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
> alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>
> say >that I know that they know full well when I post some useful and when I
> am >simply winding *feral* *cave* *dwellers* up.
>
> You misspelled "bloviating".
>
> No doubt there are plenty of lurkers about this place, I've never debated the
> point.
>
> They are the audience for whom you perform, after all...
>
>
> <zzzzzzzzzzzzz>
>
> Weak.
>
> Btw, if you start running out of asterisks, you can use '+' instead, with no
> loss of impact...
>
> Cheers
>
> /greyhackles (and hth ;-)
>
+Does +That +Work +then?
Thanks. There is actually only one *feral* *cave* *dweller* and he has always
been +just a +lurker.
Alan
"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."
Nemesis Peace Centre
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.../protector.html
Abuse of Women and Children
http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/
Nemesis News
http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/
Absolute Anarchy
http://lordcerneabbastoo.blogspot.com/
http://www.john-lennon.com/
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| In article <memo.20051215150609.304C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
> In article <memo.20051215150406.304B@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
> alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>
>
> +Lets+ +try+ +it+ +this+ +way+
>
> LMAO
It doesn't work for me with "+"s
Ash-sea is that way ---------> you purveyor of *false* *information*
This is a *neat* and *tidy* newsgroup.
No *false* *information* allowed.
Lord Cerne Abbas
Humpty Dumpty Bush fell off the Iraq wall.
Humpty Dumpty Bush had a big fall.
All his spin doctors and all the President's men
couldn't put Humpty Dumpty Bush together again.
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/identity.html
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/mylinks.html
http://www.john-lennon.com/
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| greyhackles 2005-12-15, 12:53 pm |
| On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:13 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>In article <memo.20051215150609.304C@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
>alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>
>
>It doesn't work for me with "+"s
ahahahahahahaha! Made you try it, anyway ;-)
>Ash-sea is that way ---------> you purveyor of *false* *information*
LOL!
btw, ash-c really did go <------------ thataway, it's clearly leftist...
>This is a *neat* and *tidy* newsgroup.
Really? I'd think all those senselessly slaughtered bytes from you repeatedly
respond to your own poasts without trimming would clutter up the dump.
I guess perspective is indeed everything...
>No *false* *information* allowed.
Right then. I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for same...
Cheers!
/greyhackles
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|
| In article <87d3q1tv3pbigcj8u107cac8aeebe40442@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
> ahahahahahahaha! Made you try it, anyway ;-)
>
>
> LOL!
>
> btw, ash-c really did go <------------ thataway, it's clearly leftist...
>
>
> Really? I'd think all those senselessly slaughtered bytes from you repeatedly
> respond to your own poasts without trimming would clutter up the dump.
>
> I guess perspective is indeed everything...
>
>
> Right then. I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for same...
*snigger*
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1040.htm
The Power of Nightmares - Part III
The Shadows In The Cave
The Power of Nightmares assesses whether the threat from a hidden and organised
terrorist network is an illusion. In the concluding part of the series, the
programme explains how the illusion was created and who benefits from it.
This is a must watch documentary - Broadcast 11/03/04 BBC 2 - Written and
produced by Adam Curtis
Hey *looser* guess who sat and watched the whole series on BBC2 in 2004?
*Moi*
But seeing as I lost two internet accounts for speaking the truth before, I have
just watch and waited, and he who laughs last, laughs loudest.
Suck it down *Monkee* *Boi* and when Blackwater come for you.......
*snigger*
Lord Cerne Abbas
Humpty Dumpty Bush fell off the Iraq wall.
Humpty Dumpty Bush had a big fall.
All his spin doctors and all the President's men
couldn't put Humpty Dumpty Bush together again.
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/identity.html
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/mylinks.html
http://www.john-lennon.com/
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| greyhackles 2005-12-15, 5:59 pm |
| On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:13 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>In article <87d3q1tv3pbigcj8u107cac8aeebe40442@4ax.com>,
>greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
>
>
>*snigger*
>
>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1040.htm
>
>The Power of Nightmares - Part III
>
>The Shadows In The Cave
>
>The Power of Nightmares assesses whether the threat from a hidden and organised
>terrorist network is an illusion. In the concluding part of the series, the
>programme explains how the illusion was created and who benefits from it.
>
>This is a must watch documentary - Broadcast 11/03/04 BBC 2 - Written and
>produced by Adam Curtis
>
>Hey *looser* guess who sat and watched the whole series on BBC2 in 2004?
Ummm......"looser"?
>*Moi*
And?
>But seeing as I lost two internet accounts for speaking the truth before, I have
>just watch and waited, and he who laughs last, laughs loudest.
>
>Suck it down *Monkee* *Boi* and when Blackwater come for you.......
>
>*snigger*
So, apparently you want a prize of some sort?
Ok, here ya go. This is clearly for you...
http://www.digitalfog.com/gallery/enzyte.html
Enjoy ;-)
/greyhackles
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| Waterspider 2005-12-15, 5:59 pm |
|
"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20051215102811.1044P@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk...
> In article <11q1h51m63evo60@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
> (Waterspider) wrote:
>
>
> But he is wrong about you and I being here alone. We may be the only ones
> posting but we are by no means here alone :-)
Okay, okay, let's agree that, here on usenet, "alone" means the only ones
posting.
Sheesh, you're just so *neat* and *tidy* sometimes! <grin>
>
>
>
> Oh damn. I was kinda hoping that he would be a she. My first wife's
> mother, the
> grandmother of my kids, was actually born in Rome. I was kinda wondering
> if I
> could learn Italian over a few glasses of wine. Or maybe I am just being
> bad
> again? LOL Some folks believe everything in newsgroups yaknow?
Oops. My bad, and I've done this before. I assumed that Noiski was a man and
I don't even have a reason, good or otherwise, for the assumption.
Spidey
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|
| In article <memo.20051215191308.304H@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk>,
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
> In article <87d3q1tv3pbigcj8u107cac8aeebe40442@4ax.com>,
> greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
>
>
> *snigger*
>
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1040.htm
>
> The Power of Nightmares - Part III
>
> The Shadows In The Cave
>
> The Power of Nightmares assesses whether the threat from a hidden and
> organised terrorist network is an illusion. In the concluding part of the
> series, the programme explains how the illusion was created and who benefits
> from it.
>
> This is a must watch documentary - Broadcast 11/03/04 BBC 2 - Written and
> produced by Adam Curtis
>
> Hey *looser* guess who sat and watched the whole series on BBC2 in 2004?
>
> *Moi*
>
> But seeing as I lost two internet accounts for speaking the truth before, I
> have just watch and waited, and he who laughs last, laughs loudest.
>
> Suck it down *Monkee* *Boi* and when Blackwater come for you.......
>
> *snigger*
http://www.democracynow.org/article...4/12/08/1520209
Weapons of Mass Deception: New Film Documents How the Corporate Media Muzzled
the Truth About Iraq
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Wednesday, December 8th, 2004
Weapons of Mass Deception: New Film Documents How the Corporate Media Muzzled
the Truth About Iraq
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A new documentary called "Weapons of Mass Deception," by Danny Schechter of
Mediachannel.org. documents the media's biased coverage of the Iraq War.
[includes rush transcript] An April 2004 poll by the Program on International
Policy Attitudes at the university of Maryland found that almost half of the
American public still believed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction
before the invasion of Iraq and 57% believe Hussein gave substantial support to
Al Qaeda. There's no known documentary or physical evidence to date that these
statements are true. So why do Americans believe this?
A new documentary called "Weapons of Mass Deception," by Danny Schechter of
Mediachannel.org. documents the media's biased coverage of the Iraq War.
* Danny Schechter, Executive Director of Mediachannel.org and producer and
director of the new documentary "Weapons of Mass Deception."
* Excerpts of Weapons of Mass Deception.
RUSH TRANSCRIPT
This transcript is available free of charge, however donations help us provide
closed captioning for the deaf and hard of hearing on our TV broadcast. Thank
you for your generous contribution.
Donate - $25, $50, $100, more...
AMY GOODMAN: There's a new documentary that’s opening this weekend in Washington
DC at the Landmark Theater and in Berkeley in San Francisco at the Oaks in the
Embarcadero. It's called Weapons of Mass Deception. It's by that news dissector
Danny Schechter, and the award-winning filmmaker who runs mediachannel.org. The
film documents the media’s biased coverage of the Iraq war. And he joins us in
the studio. Welcome to Democracy Now!
DANNY SCHECHTER: Thanks Amy. You know those studies are of course only the tip
of the iceberg, and there have been other studies as well. 42% of the American
people believe there were Iraqi hijackers on the planes that hit the World Trade
Center. Again it was intimation, insinuation suggestion. You know if these guys
hate us, if Saddam Hussein speaks Arabic, hates America – Osama speaks Arabic,
hates America - therefore Saddam is Osama. This is the logic of a lot of the
media reporting. The kind of slipping, merging of personalities, the idea that
these are our enemies and therefore distinctions cannot be drawn, must not be
drawn. This created a big percentage of people in the United States who
supported this war based on what they thought was true. Their impressions. Not
information. And this is where our media is to be faulted because it's
degenerated to the point where it does not challenge media coverage, rather
presidential claims and government claims. And significantly, just two weeks
ago, the presidents of the news divisions of ABC, NBC and CBS meeting out at
Stanford university all admitted their coverage was not critical enough. Simply
stated, we let the American people down is what the president of ABC News, David
Weston said. Thank you, David for that admission, but it’s a little late, don’t
you think.
AMY GOODMAN: Danny Schechter will be with us after the break. We also want to
play a clip of the film, one of the clips will be what happened to un-embedded
reporters in Iraq. We're going to talk about a case that we have been
investigating over the last few weeks in Madrid, Spain with the family of Jose
Couso, the Spanish filmmaker who was killed when he was filming at the Palestine
Hotel. Stay with us.
[break]
AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracy now.org, the war and peace
report. We're talking about a new film opening in Washington and California,
Berkeley and San Francisco this week. It's called WMD, Weapons of Mass
Deception. The filmmaker joins us, Danny Schechter. We want to play a couple of
clips from this film. The first is about Jose Couso. Set it up for us.
DANNY SCHECHTER: Were journalist targeted during the war in Iraq? There were a
number of incidents, friendly fire. Was it deliberate? Were reporters killed who
were un-embedded, who were challenging the dominant view that the American
military wanted to get out by offering a contrasting narrative? That's the
question many people are debating. What happened at the Palestine Hotel on April
8, 2003 is very significant in this respect and we cover it in the film WMD.
AMY GOODMAN: Well, I’ll say that I think everyone remembers what happened the
day after, when the statue of Saddam Hussein was brought down by U.S. troops,
because we saw that all day and night on television. This is what happened the
day before.
NARRATOR: Journalists and media workers were targeted in Iraq. Was it
deliberate? To keep the story on message by intimidating un-embedded
journalists. How did the media in the street challenge these killings? Some were
killed by so-called friendly fire. Others victims of calculated attacks,
missiles, tank shells, and bombs dropped on or near journalists. Some media
critics concluded it was intentional, although the Pentagon denied it. Before
the war, the BBC’s Kate Adey reported she was told by the Pentagon that
independent journalists could be targeted.
REPORTER: The 15th floor of the Palestine Hotel was the target. A US tank
shelled the Palestine Hotel, which was crowded with journalists, killing two
cameramen. One works for a Spanish network, and the other one works for Reuters.
NARRATOR: Now another incident. Look at this. An American tank on the
bridge across from the Palestine hotel in Baghdad. A soldier claimed his tank
was fired on. Listen carefully. There are no sounds.
SAMIA NAKHOUL: We moved to the Palestine hotel because the Pentagon asked
our organizations to let us leave because it was a target and when we moved to
the Palestine Hotel our organization told the Pentagon we were at the Palestine
hotel. So did ever news organization.
NARRATOR: Again, minutes later no sounds were heard, no one firing at U.S.
soldiers. Suddenly without provocation –
SAMIA NAKHOUL: We saw an orange glow, and this was the tank shell that hit
our office. And you can imagine the panic, the wounded it was me and another
photographer. I can't imagine that they would target journalists. You know, I
couldn't believe why would they target us? What have we done to them?
NARRATOR: After the war press freedom groups were still demanding a real
investigation. The Pentagon's Victoria Clark told me there was a report that
showed that the soldiers were acting in self-defense.
NARRATOR: Was there any attempt to find out the facts independently or a
thorough investigation?
SAMIA NAKHOUL: No – the Pentagon never interviewed me personally on it. I
don’t think any of my colleagues were interviewed by the Pentagon.
NARRATOR: Samia’s organization, Reuters demanded an independent
investigation, but most media companies didn't even press on this issue. No one
was held accountable. It was all passed off as an accident, the fog of war and
all that.
AMY GOODMAN: WMD, Weapons of Mass Deception, a film opening this weekend in San
Francisco, Berkeley and Washington DC. Danny Schechter, the whole issue of
embedded versus un-embedded journalists, actually, Jose Couso’s family – his
mother and brother Javier - are coming to the United States, calling for an
investigation. Javier went back to Iraq or went to Iraq for the first time on
the anniversary of Jose Couso's death and thanked the doctors who tried to save
him and then went to lay flowers at Palestine Hotel. He told us last week on
Democracy Now! that the U.S. military put a gun to his head and wouldn't let him
lay those flowers.
DANNY SCHECHTER: What’s also outrageous is that the American media companies did
not demand an investigation of this, did not join Reuters in demanding an
investigation. So it just wasn't just complicity and collusion in the coverage
of the war but a refusal to get involved in an effort to try to find out what
really happened, what the facts were. To try to get at the truth of what
happened to their own people. That to me compounds the shock of the way in which
the media played the role it did. I’m a former ABC News, CNN producer. I’ve been
working at global vision all these years, I’ve been trying to cover
under-covered and unreported stories. And I felt that the coverage of the war
was one of the most under-covered stories and one of the most important stories.
Because if we can't have a media we trust and depend on, how do we have a
democracy or democracy now. That's why I felt this story is so important. We
made this film at 1% of the cost of Fahrenheit 911, it's been a big struggle.
The Cinema Libre company that distributed Out-Foxed is distributing this film to
theaters. We need support – we need people to come out and see this film this
weekend in Washington DC, and in Berkeley and San Francisco.
AMY GOODMAN: For people to understand the politics how a new film coming out
works, what really determines it's success, whether it gets out to a larger
number of theaters is who comes out in the first or the number of people that
come out in the first few days. They’re simply counting bodies.
DANNY SCHECHTER: Exactly. When we were in Boston, we're going to be remaining in
Boston at the, you know, the theater there in Cambridge and I believe that this
film is very very important because it's part of the whole media and democracy
movement to get people to recognize we need to keep the media accountable and to
understand the role that media plays.
AMY GOODMAN: Danny, set up this next clip that we will go out with and it's
about depleted uranium.
DANNY SCHECHTER: One of the things that WMD shows is what wasn’t shown in
America in the media during the war. I compared and contrasted coverage here
with coverage in other countries. And this section is information dominance
which basically depends on censorship and suppression of information.
AMY GOODMAN: This is from WMD, Weapons of Mass Deception.
NARRATOR: Information dominance requires censorship. Little attention was
paid to U.S. weapons that caused mass destruction like legally prohibited
cluster bombs that target civilians.
RENE HORN: It was a cluster bomb. The bomb with multiple mini-bombs is
dropped from an aircraft focusing on targeted areas.
NARRATOR: South African viewers learned about how cluster bombs worked and
the damage they cause. An under-reported fact, half of Iraq’s population is
under the age of 15. These young people became a primary target. This is what
Baghdad’s pediatric hospital looked like - floor after floor of cluster bomb
survivors. This was filmed not by a network but by independent filmmaker Patrick
Dillon. Human rights watch reported cluster weapons caused several hundred
casualties like these. There was extensive use of napalm-like Mark77 fire bombs.
It was denied at first but then admitted. But more onerous was the almost total
blackout on the use of radioactive depleted uranium, which hardens anti-tank
weapons. This is especially ironic in light of Washington’s constant claims of
an Iraqi nuclear threat. The issue was covered overseas. A German journalist
documented this proliferation in an Emmy award-winning report for ARD in
Germany.
INTERVIEWER: [subtitled] Are you aware that this tank is contaminated with
radiation?
SOLDIER: [subtitled] No, it isn’t radioactive.
INTERVIEWER: [subtitled] But we have measured it.
SOLDIER: [subtitled] No, it isn’t radioactive, not this tank.
INTERVIEWER: [subtitled] It was destroyed by depleted uranium ammunition.
SOLDIER: [subtitled] Sorry, we have to get back to work.
BBC REPORTER: In the British back office a list of trouble ...
NARRATOR: BBC took viewers into a back room at the coalition media center.
On the wall, a list of subjects briefers were ordered to avoid. On that list,
DU, or depleted uranium.
AMY GOODMAN: An excerpt from WMD, Weapons of Mass Deception. Again, it opens in
Washington and San Francisco and Berkeley this weekend. In Berkeley at the Oaks
theater, in San Francisco at the Embarcadero, and in Washington on E street at
the Landmark. Danny Schechter, the filmmaker, the Emmy award-winning CNN, former
ABC producer.
Get it *Monkee* *Boy* ?
Two internet accounts paid back in full.
*snigger*
Now go back to ash-sea and whine about your hepatitis problems, but somehow I
think you have bigger worries then hepatitis, with all the Blackwater Guys we
saw in New Orleans.
Alan
"Can't you see we're still here,
Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."
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| Waterspider 2005-12-15, 5:59 pm |
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"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote
> Thanks. There is actually only one *feral* *cave* *dweller* and he has
> always
> been +just a +lurker.
>
<loudly>
***AHEM!***
I must remind you, gentlemen, that I am the original Feral Cavedweller.
Waterspider
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| Waterspider 2005-12-15, 5:59 pm |
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"Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote
>
>
> Ash-sea is that way ---------> you purveyor of *false* *information*
Alan, you're taking the long way around.
The shortcut is that way <-----------
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| In article <11q3hl7aens3fc@corp.supernews.com>, waterspider@moonlight.net
(Waterspider) wrote:
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> "Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote
>
> Alan, you're taking the long way around.
> The shortcut is that way <-----------
Yes, but the long way round is invariably more scenic and interesting.
Firebird
Never trust anybody who is too sophisticated to own a rubber chicken.
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/index.html
http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/
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| greyhackles 2005-12-15, 5:59 pm |
| On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>In article <dtg3q1hnbe8jeot3vav36if6fe8vuupc12@4ax.com>,
>greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
>
>*snip*
>
>Ash-sea is that way --------->
>
>And this is the one you should have sent me:
>
>http://www.digitalfog.com/gallery/blondebathroom.htm
<splork!> ahahahahahahaha!
Good one! :-)
/greyhackles
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| In article <p2l3q158f3pmp14l8uuf2gc55gb629bho5@4ax.com>,
greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
> alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk (Alan) wrote:
>
>
> <splork!> ahahahahahahaha!
>
> Good one! :-)
>
> /greyhackles
Actually I left the blonde with my computer while I was in the bathroom. Big
mistake :-) I see she still looks like a brunette on Elmo's web-page. LMAO
Firebird
Never trust anybody who is too sophisticated to own a rubber chicken.
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/index.html
http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/
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| Thanks !
I already decided not to drink for a while
and not even eat sooooo much *every night* before I go to bed.
I am going to a doctor this afternoon, and my question was:
are these levels so high I should really worry or they might just be a
temporary problem ?
Thanks again
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| In article <1134726199.209765.171800@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
nioskidol@yahoo.it (Lou) wrote:
> Thanks !
>
> I already decided not to drink for a while
> and not even eat sooooo much *every night* before I go to bed.
>
> I am going to a doctor this afternoon, and my question was:
> are these levels so high I should really worry or they might just be a
> temporary problem ?
>
> Thanks again
Good luck at the doctor's place. They will probably send you for a biopsy to
find out what is going on.
Firebird
Never trust anybody who is too sophisticated to own a rubber chicken.
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk/index.html
http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/
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| greyhackles 2005-12-16, 11:00 am |
| On 16 Dec 2005 01:43:19 -0800, "Lou" <nioskidol@yahoo.it> wrote:
>Thanks !
>
>I already decided not to drink for a while
>and not even eat sooooo much *every night* before I go to bed.
>
>I am going to a doctor this afternoon, and my question was:
>are these levels so high I should really worry or they might just be a
>temporary problem ?
>
>Thanks again
They are well above the "normal" ranges, so they indicate something isn't
"normal". Could be something minor, could be something huge. Unless the root
cause has already been determined, you're at the beginning of the diagnostic
process.
So expect more blood tests, at least. Results that implicate the liver may
lead to an ultrasound, which may lead to a biopsy.
Hopefully it'll turn out to be something minor, and correctable...
Good luck.
/greyhackles
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| Dear all,
fortunately it was a minor problem, that is fatty liver.
I already quitted alcohool and especially those libs of cheese (real
fat italian cheese :-) and ice creams (italian, as well) I used to eat
every night....
I'm eating more pasta, fruits and vegetables.
Thanks everybody for help and also for some hirony
Have a great 2006 !
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| In article <1136030474.554919.5930@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
nioskidol@yahoo.it (Lou) wrote:
> Dear all,
> fortunately it was a minor problem, that is fatty liver.
Hey congratulations.
> I already quitted alcohool and especially those libs of cheese (real
> fat italian cheese :-) and ice creams (italian, as well) I used to eat
> every night....
You can't give up those Italian ice-creams, surely? There used to be an Italian
ice-cream shop in Canterbury that sold the best ice-creams I have ever tasted.
> I'm eating more pasta, fruits and vegetables.
>
> Thanks everybody for help and also for some hirony
>
> Have a great 2006 !
Hey, we are really into irony around here. Have a great 2006, and if Blair
doesn't quit soon, then I might be coming to Italy just to get an ice-cream.
Alan
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| Thou art welcome anytime, Alan !
:-)
Andrea
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| In article <1136208089.152500.202770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
nioskidol@yahoo.it (Lou) wrote:
> Thou art welcome anytime, Alan !
> :-)
>
> Andrea
My two eldest children's grandmother was actually born in Rome, and a certain
very rude American in this very newsgroup had the nerve to call my children
"inbred". Then they couldn't figure out why I just laughed at them, but how can
you take anybody seriously who would call any of my children "inbred"? LMAO
And you have a Prime Minster who tells the truth instead of being like Blair and
his poodle army, and the weather is much nicer, and you have much nicer food,
especially the ice creams ;-) And I could have another Alfa-Romeo. I had one
before and it was such fun to drive. Hey, at this rate, I am going to be there
tomorrow :-)
Alan
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| Tell the "very rude American"
that a Godfella.. is coming to his house
:-)
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| Andrea 2006-02-25, 8:41 pm |
| Thanks everybody
Everything's ok
I just had some fatty liver
but after a one month diet, ALT and AST dropped something like -60 %
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| In article <1138297798.442795.178630@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
nioskidol@yahoo.it (Andrea) wrote:
> Thanks everybody
> Everything's ok
> I just had some fatty liver
> but after a one month diet, ALT and AST dropped something like -60 %
Hey, that's great news. I hope you feel better than before.
Alan
http://lordcerneabbas.blogspot.com/
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| Andrea B. 2006-02-25, 8:45 pm |
| Yeah, women are at my feet, now
:-)
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