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Elevated iron in subjects with chronic hepatitis C
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| ironjustice@aol.com 2005-09-24, 2:10 pm |
| Pol Merkuriusz Lek. 2005 May; 18(107): 552-5
Bolewska B, Wojtacha A, Juszczyk J, Przedwojewski M
OBJECTIVE: The aim of the study was assess serum iron parameters in
patients
with chronic hepatitis C (CHC) in comparison with control group and
evaluate
the influence of antiviral treatment on these results. MATERIAL AND
METHODS:
Adults with confirmed CHC (n=84) and 30 healthy individuals, were
included.
In all serum iron and ferritin concentration, transferin saturation
(TSAT)
and total iron binding capacity (TIBC) were examined. In 25 cases
treated
with IFN ribavirin tests were repeated between 6-8 month of the
therapy.
RESULTS: We found significant differences in ferritin concentrations in
CHC
patients. The mean serum iron concentration was higher in patients
above 40
years old (p<0.05). In the cases with ALT activity above 2.5 times the
normal range we found higher ferritin concentation (p<0.05). An
increase in
the serum markers of iron metabolism was more frequently found in
subjects
with fibrosis (S3-S4) but the differences among groups were not
statistically significant. The results of serum iron parameters during
antiviral treatment were lower than before therapy but statistical
significance was found only in ferritin concentration in woman.
CONCLUSIONS:
Elevated serum iron, ferritin levels and iron transferin saturations in
subjects with chronic hepatitis C has been noted nearly in a half of
examined patients. Statistically significant differences were found in
iron
and ferritin concentrations. Antiviral treatment did not radically
change
the serum markers of iron metabolism.
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| In article <1126954975.779531.89100@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
ironjustice@aol.com () wrote:
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
> http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
The Brethren Of Jesus
"After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and
his disciples: and they continued there not many days." (John 2:12)
Comment
This verse describes Jesus and his brethren. Jesus Christ's blood-related
siblings directly contradicts the Catholic concept of the life-long virginity of
the mother Mary. Some Christians have attempted to defend this contradiction by
pointing out that brethren has two meanings: it could mean brothers, from the
same parents, or it could mean colleagues or friends. Note, however, that the
use of the word "disciples" suggests that brothers and disciples constitute two
separate groups. Therefore, brethren must mean brothers in this context.
Note also that Mark 6:3 mentions brothers and sisters that can only mean blood
siblings.
Also, nowhere in the Gospel of John or Mark does it mention Jesus' birth or Mary
as a virgin. Considering that a virgin birth of the Son of God would seem of
utmost importance, it appears rather odd that these Gospels do not mention it.
Christ With Horns
"And I beheld, and lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in
the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns
and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the
earth." (Revelation 5:6)
Comment
Biblical scholars agree that "a Lamb" refers to the crucified Christ. Strangely,
Jesus here appears to look devilish with horns and multiple eyes.
How can this description of heaven inspire an image of a peaceful afterlife with
all these ghastly beasts and spirits about? (See also Rev. 4)
It should come to no surprise where some early Gnostic cults got the idea that,
not only the Church, but Jesus represented Satan and the embodiment of Evil.
And who do the literalists claim as the "seven Spirits of God"?
Christ's Temper
"And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the
changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he
drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out
the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold
doves, 'Take these things hence; make not my Father's house a house of
merchandise.'" (John 2:14-16)
Comment
Here we have Jesus' temper and violence showing. It must have taken considerable
fortitude to drive all the moneychangers out and then have the nerve to pour
their money out and turn over their tables. Consider what would happen today if
a man entered a Church bake sale and threw everyone out and violently turned
over the tables. No doubt the police would come and throw him in the slammer.
Jesus served as Hitler's role model. Here Hitler referred to the verse in one of
his speeches:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It
points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers,
recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them
and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In
boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which
tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive
out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for
the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with
deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it
was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have
no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for
truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we
are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I
have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these
men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I
would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did
not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day
this poor people is plundered and exploited. "
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 12 April 1922
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of
the abuses of grief which the history of humankind has preserved-- the Cross.
Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
--John Adams
Get Thee Behind Me Satan
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock
I will build my church..." (Matthew 16:18)
But he turned, and said unto Peter. Get thee behind me Satan:
thou art an offence unto me. for thou savourest not the things
that be of God, but those that be of man. (Matthew 16:23)
Comment
Many believers think that when Jesus said "Get thee behind me," he had spoken
this only to Satan (as in Luke 4:8). Not so.
Many Catholics feel honored to belong to the original church established by
Jesus. To this day, Catholics acknowledge Peter as the first Pope, the "rock"
that Jesus built his church upon. But in just five verses later, amazingly, we
have Jesus calling Peter, Satan. Did Satan really pose as the first Pope or did
Jesus simply vilify again? Can you imagine a business owner promoting a man to a
job, and then just after the promotion, arguing about his job qualifications?
Jesus seems to have a poor sense of delegating duty to the right person here.
Furthermore soon before Jesus died, Peter denied knowing Jesus (note, the cock
crowed on the first denial, according to Mark 14:66-72 not after the third as
the alleged Jesus soothsayed in John 13:38). If the faithful should believe the
Church's beginning came from someone who offended and denied Jesus, then perhaps
it should also give them reason why the Catholic church seemed to act so
demoniacally in their instigation of holy wars, inquisitions and anti-Semitism
throughout history. In any case, we should question Jesus' choice for the
"rock."
The Final Lie
"Surely, I come quickly." (Revelation 22:20)
Comment
The last words of Jesus in the Bible.
It has been two thousand years, and Jesus has not come back, hence he did not
come quickly. Therefore, this represents either proof of the falsehood of the
Bible or that Jesus lied. And who represents the Great Liar in Christian
thought?
I Came Not To Send Peace
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but
a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-37)
Comment
These words of Jesus confirm the unbelievable notion that Jesus did not come to
establish peace, but rather to send the sword and to put man against his family.
So much for family values.
(See also Luke 12: 51-53, Luke 12:49 and Luke 14:26.)
I Come To Send Fire
"I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already
kindled?" (Luke 12:49)
"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather
division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three
against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son,
and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the
daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and
the daughter in law against her mother in law." (Luke 12:51-53)
Comment
Jesus did not come to send peace, but rather fire and division among the family.
So much for the idea of a pacifist Jesus and the modern concept of "family
values."
(See also Luke 14:26)
Jesus Not Entirely Good
"And behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I
do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me
good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into
life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:16-17)
Comment
Most Christians believe that Jesus, not only lived as the Son of God but God in
the flesh. Consider that Jesus here calls "none good but one, that is, God,"
pointing to an entity separate from himself (also see Matt. 5:48)
Also note that because of the belief that none other than God "is" good suggests
that Jesus must not have behaved in an entirely good manner himself.
Some early Gnostic cults (judged as heretics by the orthodox church) believed
Jesus as the Devil in the flesh and these verses suggests that He was the
opposite of good-- Evil in the disguise of God.
Jesus Reveals Himself
"I am the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
(Revelation 22:16)
Comment
This verse presents the most shocking revelation in the entire Bible. On the
very last page, it reveals Jesus as the "bright and morning star". In other
words, Lucifer-- Satan!
In Isaiah 14:12, St. Jerome, translated the Hebrew "morning star" into the Latin
term "Lucifer" (light bearer), a name commonly ascribed to Satan by Christians,
and represents the fallen star, an ancient symbol for the fallen or evil one.
The mourning star actually appears as the planet Venus, the brightest "star" in
the sky (but the ancients did not know about planets). Venus always appears low
on the horizon, thus it looked like a fallen star (fallen angel) to the
believers.
Although the Isaiah verse describes the fallen king of Babylon, Christians have,
for centuries, ascribed Satan as taking many forms. And what more powerful form
could an evil being take than to pretend himself as the saviour of the world?
This would certainly explain the hate filled verses attributed to Jesus and the
blind followers who inherit ignorance. Thus, a conclusion, based on Christian
beliefs of Satan, and the belief in the "inerrancy" of the Bible, one must
conclude that Jesus has revealed himself as Satan!
What a Revelation!
Jesus' servants would fight
"If my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should
not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. " (John
18:36)
Comment
Jesus here gives Pilate an excuse for his predicament and, amazingly, makes the
superstitious claim that his servants, if not of this world, would fight for
him. If Jesus' otherworldly servants would fight, then what does that say about
a peaceful heaven?
In effect, Jesus here complains about his deliverance to the Jews which would
lead to his crucifixion, something that God supposedly ordained for the purpose
of salvation of sinners (according to believers) . So much for that theory.
Pray In The Closet
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hyprocrites are: for they love
to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they
may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou,
when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray
to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall
reward thee openly." (Matthew 6:5-6)
Comment
The Religious Right wishes to put into law public prayer. How many Christians
realize that the Biblical Jesus strongly opposed public prayer?
The wall of separation between Church and State, actually protects the religious
liberties for all of us in the United States and here we have Biblical
justification for keeping prayer private.
Promise To Return
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom. (Matthew 16:28)
Comment
Most Christians do not realize that Jesus' promise of his second coming did not
apply to our generation or to a future generation, but only to the generation of
his time. Also, Jesus said in Rev. 3:11: "Behold I come quickly..."
Those poor people of early Christianity! They thought the texts got written for
them, yet Jesus never fulfilled his promise.
Two thousand years have rolled by and yet many "true" believers still await his
"quick" return. As any school child knows, anyone who does not keep promises
does not deserve our trust, much less our admiration.
Furthermore, to believe in a second coming and the end of the world gives no
reason to feel concerned about the long-term future of Earth. Why should we care
about the environment, wars, or suffering if we believe that the world will come
to an end soon and that everything will get taken care of in heaven?
Sacrifice or Suicide?
Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and
the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified. (Matthew 26:2)
Comment
Many Christians believe that Jesus came to redeem man to God by His death on the
cross and to forgive man's sins. In some instances we have the death of Jesus,
yet at other times you see the same Christians making the claim that Jesus
"lives." Did he actually die or does he live? It cannot work both ways. Even if
the death means a temporary death, it gives little value for an eternal
sacrifice. But regardless of which way one believes, the morality of such an act
deserves questioning.
If Jesus equals a god, then he could not have sacrificed his life, simply
because an infinite god cannot die. If Jesus died as just a man, then he
committed what we would today call suicide.
If anyone believes his prediction in Matt 26:2, then Jesus must have known of
his upcoming crucifixion. Jesus fulfilling his own prophecy says nothing about
miraculous predictions for such self-fulfilling prophecies tend to carry
themselves out. But if he lived as an all powerful being, he would have the
power to avert his death. But he chose not to. Instead he consciously committed
himself to allow his own death. In another word-- suicide. This act of self
destruction, especially in light of a horrible disfigured and bleeding torso
nailed to a cross hardly gives an exemplary act of the expression of life. On
the contrary, such a scene equals that of horror movies designed to scare people
out of their wits. Who knows how many children have experienced psychological
problems after witnessing an image of a tortured man nailed to a cross at Sunday
school. (By the way, any graven image of Christ violates the second commandment
[Exodus 20:4-5]).
As to the sacrifice, just what did Jesus sacrifice? According to the Bible, he
certainly did not sacrifice his life. Jesus went to Heaven, (the right hand side
of God) supposedly a place of peace, calm and everlasting joy. But as a man on
earth, Jesus received death threats, attempts at stoning, and condemnation by
his enemies. Exiting the problems on earth for the joys of heaven hardly gives
an example of noble sacrifice. On the contrary, it appears that Jesus escaped
his problems, leaving his disciples on their own for a life in perfect heaven.
Should we teach our children to emulate such a selfish act?
Did Jesus redeem man from his sacrifice? History shows that violence of man
against man has increased since the alleged "sacrifice." Wars, terrorist acts,
murders, and suicides have occurred because of faithful acts in the name of
Jesus. It appears that the sacrifice resembles the curse of a demon rather than
that of a savior. Furthermore, believing that his death forgives sins only
provides reason for committing them in the first place. Why should anyone feel
so disagreeable about committing sins when they feel that Jesus has already
forgiven them? No wonder jails contain so many Christian zealots. Regardless of
how "Caesar's" laws treat them, they think of themselves as specially forgiven.
Wars Must Be
"And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for
such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet. For nation shall rise
against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in
divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings
of sorrows." (Mark 13:7-8)
Comment
Belief in these words can justify any war and atrocity against nations. Yet
Jesus here tells us that we should not feel troubled by it as long as we have
belief in Him.
When Jesus prophesies about the future, he gives the message that we have no
control over our lives other than to choose or not choose a belief in the Lord.
With such a message, it should not surprise anyone why the Religious Right does
little to strive against war.
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Alan, son of Nemesis.
Anyone who doubts that I am the son of Nemesis is obviously an infidel
lacking in faith whose soul is in peril of everlasting damnation.
"We love your adherence to democratic principles."
-- Vice President George Bush to Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos
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Nemesis, winged balancer of life,
dark-faced Goddess, daughter of Justice,
You who restrain with adamantine bridles
the frivolous insolences of mortals,
and spurning the destructive violence of mankind
drive out black envy!
Beneath Your unceasing, traceless orbit
is spun the grey fortune of man
and unnoticed You walk in his tracks,
you bend the neck that is proud.
Beneath Your arm You ever measure out life
and ever do You lower Your eye to Your bosom
as You control the scales in Your hand.
Be gracious, blessed dealer of justice,
Nemesis, winged balancer of life.
Nemesis the deathless Goddess we sing,
Victory with slender wings, all-powerful
infallible, and the assistant to Justice,
You who in displeasure at the pride of men
carry it down into Tartarus.
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| Randy Thomas 2005-09-24, 2:10 pm |
| The one who contraidicts God's word with a simply mans brain. I could
cut loose on your post. I just want you to have an open mind about what
I have to say. I did with your post. First, I noted you said "the
return was to be 2000 yrs. First off, our calender and God's timetable
just may not be the same. I studied months and years and calenders and
time. Seems as though there are big day/date differences and days in the
year differences and even more differences than that! So, are you going
by what we go by in America and England? I can get deep here. But you
are in need of this knowledge.
Unless you are muslim or other, than you are my brethen.
Sacrifice? Jesus was crucified and did die on the cross. His side was
pierced with a sword to make sure.
He arose from the dead. Walked this earth again. He spoke to people. He
left for heaven. A sacrafice for us. Dont complicate it for others.
(if you dont beleive then, you go to hell. Period. Doesnt matter what
you or i say. Have that conversation with God. Not me. If you cant talk
to God. That leaves two options. The devil. And being an atheist. Or
talking to yourself and others like you. Thank God there arent many of
people like yourself. Sometimes the demons we
fight are within us. Tougher to battle.
As for horns...... dont dwell on your personal ideas of such
descriptions. Study the bible. You can see better then. Dont question
everything. You do have faith? Walk with it.
Demons dont nessasarily have to look like you have been brainwashed to
beleive! You watch to much t.v. and movies.
Seven heads and ten horns as mentioned in the book of Revelation.
Metaphors. Look past what you know. This is how you can begin to learn.
To live. To find peace with God. For you wont find a better peace.
Wars. Man has had and will have conflict. Read history. Read tomorrows
news today. War!
Do you know the dfference between murder and killing? If David thought
killing Golieth was murder, he would have been killed. There is a
difference! stay tuned later on for.......
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| In article <21842-433311F3-332@storefull-3353.bay.webtv.net>,
HotandHumid111@webtv.net (Randy Thomas) wrote:
<snip>
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/...bleContents.htm
The stories of the Bible evolved slowly over centuries before the existence of
orthodox religions. Many belief cults spread stories and myths probably handed
down by oral tradition from generation to generation before people wrote them
down. Many of the stories originally came from Egyptian and Sumerian cults. All
of these early religions practiced polytheism, including the early Hebrews. Some
of the oldest records of the stories that later entered the Old Testament came
from thousands of small cylinder seals depicting creation stories, excavated
from the Mesopotamia period. These early artifacts and artworks (dated as early
as 2500 B.C.E.) established the basis for the Garden of Eden stories a least a
thousand years before it impacted Hebrew mythology.
Virtually all human societies, before the advent of the northern invaders,
practiced female goddess worship. Archeologists have confirmed that the earliest
law, government, medicine, agriculture, architecture, metallurgy, wheeled
vehicles, ceramics, textiles and written language had initially developed in
societies that worshiped the Goddess. Later the goddesses became more war-like
with the influence of the invaders who slowly replaced the goddesses with their
mountain male war gods. So why doesn't the Bible mention anything about the
Goddess? In fact it does, but in disguise from converting the name of the
goddesses to masculine terms. Many times "Gods" in the Bible refers to
goddesses. Ashtoreth, or Asherah, named of masculine gender, for example,
actually refers to Astarte- the Great Goddess. The Old Testament doesn't even
have a word for Goddess. The goddesses, sometimes, refers to the Hebrew word
"Elohim" (masculine plural form) which later religionists mistranslated into the
singular "God." The Bible authors converted the ancient goddess symbols into
icons of evil. As such, the snake, serpents, tree of knowledge, horns (of the
bull), became associated with Satan. The end result gave women the status of
inferiority, a result which we still see to this day.
The Old Testament consists of a body of literature spread over a period from
approximately 1450 B.C.E. to 200 B.C.E. There exists no original writings of the
Old Testament. There does exist, however, hundreds of fragments from copies that
became the old testament. These fragments consist of Cuneiform tablets, papyrus
paper, leather etchings and the famous Dead Sea Scrolls. The scribes of the old
testament wrote in classical Hebrew except for some portions written in Aramaic.
The traditional Hebrew scribes wrote the texts with consonants but the Rabbis
later added vowels for verbal pronouncing. Of course the Rabbis did their best
in choosing the vowels that they thought gave the words their proper meaning and
pronouncement. In the second century C.E., or even earlier, the Rabbis compiled
a text from manuscripts as had survived the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E.
and on this basis they established the traditional or massoretic text, so called
from the Hebrew word massorah. This text incorporated the mistakes of
generations of copyists, and in spite of the care bestowed on it, many errors of
later copyists also found their way into it. The earliest surviving manuscripts
of this text date from the ninth to eleventh centuries C.E. It comes mostly from
these texts which religionists have used for the present Old Testament
translations.
The New Testament has even fewer surviving texts. Scholars think that not until
years after Jesus' alleged death that its authors wrote the Gospels. There
exists no evidence that the New Testament came from the purported original
apostles or anyone else that had seen the alleged Jesus. Although the oldest
surviving Christian texts came from Paul, he had never seen the earthly Jesus.
There occurs nothing in Paul's letters that either hints at the existence of the
Gospels or even of a need for such memoirs of Jesus Christ. The oldest copy of
the New Testament yet found consists of a tiny fragment from the Gospel of John.
Scholars dated the little flake of papyrus from the period style of its
handwriting to around the first half of the 2nd century C.E. The language of
most of the new testament consists of old Greek.
Interestingly, there existed many competing Christian cults in the early years
after Jesus' alleged death. Some sects saw the universe in dualisms of goodness
and sin, of light and darkness, God and the Devil. Other Christian sects
performed odd rituals, some of which involved the swallowing of semen, thought
of as a sacred substance. Many other Christians also wrote mystical stories and
by the second century there existed more than a dozen Gospels, along with a
whole library of other texts. These include letters of Jesus to foreign kings,
letters of Paul to Aristotle, and histories of the disciples. In one of these
secret Gospels, it describes Jesus taking naked young men off to secret
initiation rites in the Garden of Gethsemene. There lived Christian Gnostics
(knowers) who believed that the church itself derived from the Devil to keep man
from God and from realizing his true nature. In those first centuries of
Christianity orthodoxy did not exist and when an organized orthodox church
finally came, it got defined, almost inadvertently, in argument against many of
the Gnostic sects.
So the idea of the Bible as a single, sacred unalterable corpus of texts began
in heresy and later extended and used by churchmen in their efforts to define
orthodoxy. One of the Bible's most influential editors, Irenaeus of Lyon,
decided that there should only exist four Gospels like the four zones of the
world, the four winds, the four divisions of man's estate, and the four forms of
the first living creatures - the lion of Mark, the calf of Luke, the man of
Matthew, and the eagle of John. In a single stroke, Irenaeus had delineated the
sacred book of the Christian church and left out the other Gospels. Irenaeus
also wrote what Christianity did not include, and in this way Christianity
became an orthodox faith. A work of Irenaeus, Against the Heresies, became the
starting point for later inquisitions.
There has existed over a hundred different versions of the Bible, written in
most of the languages of the time including Greek, Hebrew and Latin. Some
versions left out certain biblical stories and others contained added stories.
The completed versions of the old and new testament probably got finished at
around 200-300 C.E. although many disputed the authenticity of some books which
later ended up as Apocrypha (uncanonical or of questionable authorship). For
example, the book of Ecclesiasticus appears in the Catholic Bible but not in
Protestant versions.
At around 405 C.E. Jerome (Eusebius Hieronymous) finished translating all the
Old and New testament books into Latin (Vulgate Bible) which provided the Roman
Catholic church added power. The Vulgate Bible went through several revisions up
until the early 1900s!
The salvation doctrines of Christianity survived and flourished because they
afforded the priesthood considerable power. The priests alone held the keys to
salvation and could threaten the unbelievers with eternal punishment. Hence, in
the evolution of Christianity in the last two thousand years with priests
preying on human fears, the religion has demonstrated extraordinary powers of
survival. Even without the priests, the various versions of the Bible have had
more influence on the history of the world, in the minds of men than any other
literature.
Unfortunately, the beliefs in Scripture produced the most violent actions
against man in the history of humanity up to that time. The burning of competing
Christian cults (called heretics) by early Christian churches acted as the seeds
of violent atrocities against man. There later followed the destruction of Rome
by the Christian Goths, and the secret pagan sacrifices consented by the Pope,
the Vandals that had the Bible with them as they destroyed imperial North
Africa, the crusades in the eleventh century fighting in the lands around the
eastern Mediterranean, Palestine and Syria, capturing Jerusalem and setting
kingdoms from Anatolia to the Egyptian border. In 1204 the Fourth Crusade
plundered Constantinople the most holy city at that time, with Christians
fighting Christians. And the slaughters continued (and continues to this day).
According to Romer, "More heretics and scholars were burned in the Middle Ages
than were ever killed in Carolingian times. For at this time the Inquisition
came into its own, and torture, largely unused as an instrument of government
since Roman days, was reintroduced."
In the 1380s, John Wycliffe translated the first English Bible which inspired an
English religious revolution which caused persecutions against him by the
Catholic Church.
In the early 1500's the German heretic, Martin Luther, almost single handedly
caused the final split from the Roman Catholic church and created the beginnings
of the Protestant revolution. This split still influences violence to this day.
He translated the Bible into German which further spread Protestantism. Luther
also helped spread anti-Semitism with his preaching and books such as his "The
Jews and their lies," all supported through his interpretation of the Bible. One
should not forget that Hitler (a Chrisitan and great admirer of Luther) and his
holocaust could not have occurred without his influence and the support of Bible
believing German Christians.
In the 1530s Wiliam Tyndale completed his version of the English Protesant Bible
(probably with the aid of Luther) and the first to print the English Bible. He
too felt the persection of the Church and he spent his last days in imprisonment
and exile. His enemies finally caught him and burned him at the stake, but
because of his celebrity, they strangled him first (what nice guys!).
After Luther's German Bible, others followed suit by translating the Bible into
their native languages including Dutch and French. Not until 1611 C.E. did a
committee of translators and interpreters complete the most popular Bible of all
time, the King James Version.
Today we still have dozens of Bible translation versions, with Bible scholars
still arguing over the meaning and proper translations of words and phrases. The
following shows just a few of the most popular versions:
King James Version (KJV)
The New King James Version (NKJV)
Modern King James Version [Green's Translation] (MKJV)
Literal Translation Version [Green] (LITV)
International Standard Version (ISV)
The New International Version (NIV)
English Standard Version (ESV)
New English Bible (NEB)
American Standard Version (ASV)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Today's English Version (TEV)
The Living Bible (LB)
New Century Version (NC)
New Life Version (NLV)
New Living Translation (NLT)
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
Revised Young's Literal Translation (RYLT)
John Darby's New Translation
Weymouth New Testament Translation
Rotherham's
(One might wonder what will happen to the "new" revisions a few hundred years
from now. Nevertheless, the King James Version still remains the most used Bible
in the world today and it will probably continue its popularity long into the
future.)
No doubt that future versions of Bibles will surface in the future: revisions of
previously revised Bibles and newer revisions of new versions. The history of
the many versions of the Bible stories, from the ancient Mesopotamian myths to
the varied interpretations, interpolations, and versions of the Bible speaks
volumes about the reliability of their interpretations and the alleged "truth"
they claim the Bible holds, because it shows that the Bible comes not from
supernatural agents but rather from human imagination. We have not one shred of
evidence for the supernatural influence on human written works (and mostly from
unknown authors), but we do have an abundance of evidence for human recorded
beliefs and myths. This shows a marked difference between those of scientific
works and those deriving from religious minds. For example, Euclid's Elements
written around 300 BCE has changed little since its inception. Scientists don't
argue and debate about its meaning because they know it doesn't represent an
absolute or fixed work. It only provides a step in the understanding of
geometry. Most Christian apologists, on the other hand, view the Bible as fixed
and absolute, if only they could only just get the interpretation correct. But
regardless of how much the want the Bible to reflect their particular beliefs,
they can never dislodge the violence and atrocities described and condoned by
their God in the stories in the Old Testament. Nor can they dismiss the even
more horrific result of the horrors of Hell as amplified by the words of the
alleged Jesus in the New Testament where almost everyone on earth ends in
eternal fire. In short, Bible belief influences horror, not by the majority but
by the few that actually believe in its macabre prophecy and have the power to
force their beliefs onto the majority.
We have little reason to think that violence inspired by Bibles and other
religious texts will ever cease. One only has to look at the religious wars
around the world to see belief's everlasting destructive potential. One only has
to look at the Protestant-Catholic uprising in Ireland, the conflicts in the
middle east with Jews fighting Moslems & Christians, the Gulf war, Sudan's civil
war between Christians and Islamics, the Bosnia conflicts, and the war in Iraq.
The desperate acts of fanatical individuals who have killed for their beliefs of
Jesus, Mohammed, God or Satan would create a death list unmatched by any other
method in history. The "Holy" Bible supports the notion of war and destruction,
not only as a prophesy but as a moral necessity. If we wish to become a peaceful
species, it may well serve us to understand the forces of belief that keep us in
continual conflict and why the Bible has such a stronghold on the minds of
people around the world.
Furthermore, as Elmo and Thomas quite rightly pointed out, this is a *science*
newsgroup, so if you wish to argue *beliefs* then please go and do so in Elmo's
newsgroup. I, in return will adhere to discussing *science* with those who
wish to do so, and engaging in *supportive* *conversation* with my fellow
hepatitis sufferers, The Gators who I enjoy being with.
Alan, son of Nemesis.
Anyone who doubts that I am the son of Nemesis is obviously an infidel
lacking in faith whose soul is in peril of everlasting damnation.
"We love your adherence to democratic principles."
-- Vice President George Bush to Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.../protector.html
http://www.stpatricksfour.org/
http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/
http://www.planetarybillofrights.org/
Nemesis, winged balancer of life,
dark-faced Goddess, daughter of Justice,
You who restrain with adamantine bridles
the frivolous insolences of mortals,
and spurning the destructive violence of mankind
drive out black envy!
Beneath Your unceasing, traceless orbit
is spun the grey fortune of man
and unnoticed You walk in his tracks,
you bend the neck that is proud.
Beneath Your arm You ever measure out life
and ever do You lower Your eye to Your bosom
as You control the scales in Your hand.
Be gracious, blessed dealer of justice,
Nemesis, winged balancer of life.
Nemesis the deathless Goddess we sing,
Victory with slender wings, all-powerful
infallible, and the assistant to Justice,
You who in displeasure at the pride of men
carry it down into Tartarus.
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| doogie 2005-09-24, 2:10 pm |
| He arose from the dead. Walked this earth again. He spoke to people. He
left for heaven. A sacrafice for us. Dont complicate it for others.
(if you dont beleive then, you go to hell. Period............
Where'd you get that?? Chapter? Verse? doogie
??
"Randy Thomas" <HotandHumid111@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21842-433311F3-332@storefull-3353.bay.webtv.net...
> The one who contraidicts God's word with a simply mans brain. I could
> cut loose on your post. I just want you to have an open mind about what
> I have to say. I did with your post. First, I noted you said "the
> return was to be 2000 yrs. First off, our calender and God's timetable
> just may not be the same. I studied months and years and calenders and
> time. Seems as though there are big day/date differences and days in the
> year differences and even more differences than that! So, are you going
> by what we go by in America and England? I can get deep here. But you
> are in need of this knowledge.
> Unless you are muslim or other, than you are my brethen.
> Sacrifice? Jesus was crucified and did die on the cross. His side was
> pierced with a sword to make sure.
> He arose from the dead. Walked this earth again. He spoke to people. He
> left for heaven. A sacrafice for us. Dont complicate it for others.
> (if you dont beleive then, you go to hell. Period. Doesnt matter what
> you or i say. Have that conversation with God. Not me. If you cant talk
> to God. That leaves two options. The devil. And being an atheist. Or
> talking to yourself and others like you. Thank God there arent many of
> people like yourself. Sometimes the demons we
> fight are within us. Tougher to battle.
> As for horns...... dont dwell on your personal ideas of such
> descriptions. Study the bible. You can see better then. Dont question
> everything. You do have faith? Walk with it.
> Demons dont nessasarily have to look like you have been brainwashed to
> beleive! You watch to much t.v. and movies.
> Seven heads and ten horns as mentioned in the book of Revelation.
> Metaphors. Look past what you know. This is how you can begin to learn.
> To live. To find peace with God. For you wont find a better peace.
> Wars. Man has had and will have conflict. Read history. Read tomorrows
> news today. War!
> Do you know the dfference between murder and killing? If David thought
> killing Golieth was murder, he would have been killed. There is a
> difference! stay tuned later on for.......
>
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| In article <eq2dnSXbQcbE-K7eRVn-vQ@adelphia.com>, dt12(remove)@adelphia.net
(doogie) wrote:
<snip> This is, as Elmo and Thomas said, a *science* newsgroup, so please go and
discuss your beliefs elsewhere. Here is the science! There is nothing else to
discuss:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/...bleContents.htm
The stories of the Bible evolved slowly over centuries before the existence of
orthodox religions. Many belief cults spread stories and myths probably handed
down by oral tradition from generation to generation before people wrote them
down. Many of the stories originally came from Egyptian and Sumerian cults. All
of these early religions practiced polytheism, including the early Hebrews. Some
of the oldest records of the stories that later entered the Old Testament came
from thousands of small cylinder seals depicting creation stories, excavated
from the Mesopotamia period. These early artifacts and artworks (dated as early
as 2500 B.C.E.) established the basis for the Garden of Eden stories a least a
thousand years before it impacted Hebrew mythology.
Virtually all human societies, before the advent of the northern invaders,
practiced female goddess worship. Archeologists have confirmed that the earliest
law, government, medicine, agriculture, architecture, metallurgy, wheeled
vehicles, ceramics, textiles and written language had initially developed in
societies that worshiped the Goddess. Later the goddesses became more war-like
with the influence of the invaders who slowly replaced the goddesses with their
mountain male war gods. So why doesn't the Bible mention anything about the
Goddess? In fact it does, but in disguise from converting the name of the
goddesses to masculine terms. Many times "Gods" in the Bible refers to
goddesses. Ashtoreth, or Asherah, named of masculine gender, for example,
actually refers to Astarte- the Great Goddess. The Old Testament doesn't even
have a word for Goddess. The goddesses, sometimes, refers to the Hebrew word
"Elohim" (masculine plural form) which later religionists mistranslated into the
singular "God." The Bible authors converted the ancient goddess symbols into
icons of evil. As such, the snake, serpents, tree of knowledge, horns (of the
bull), became associated with Satan. The end result gave women the status of
inferiority, a result which we still see to this day.
The Old Testament consists of a body of literature spread over a period from
approximately 1450 B.C.E. to 200 B.C.E. There exists no original writings of the
Old Testament. There does exist, however, hundreds of fragments from copies that
became the old testament. These fragments consist of Cuneiform tablets, papyrus
paper, leather etchings and the famous Dead Sea Scrolls. The scribes of the old
testament wrote in classical Hebrew except for some portions written in Aramaic.
The traditional Hebrew scribes wrote the texts with consonants but the Rabbis
later added vowels for verbal pronouncing. Of course the Rabbis did their best
in choosing the vowels that they thought gave the words their proper meaning and
pronouncement. In the second century C.E., or even earlier, the Rabbis compiled
a text from manuscripts as had survived the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E.
and on this basis they established the traditional or massoretic text, so called
from the Hebrew word massorah. This text incorporated the mistakes of
generations of copyists, and in spite of the care bestowed on it, many errors of
later copyists also found their way into it. The earliest surviving manuscripts
of this text date from the ninth to eleventh centuries C.E. It comes mostly from
these texts which religionists have used for the present Old Testament
translations.
The New Testament has even fewer surviving texts. Scholars think that not until
years after Jesus' alleged death that its authors wrote the Gospels. There
exists no evidence that the New Testament came from the purported original
apostles or anyone else that had seen the alleged Jesus. Although the oldest
surviving Christian texts came from Paul, he had never seen the earthly Jesus.
There occurs nothing in Paul's letters that either hints at the existence of the
Gospels or even of a need for such memoirs of Jesus Christ. The oldest copy of
the New Testament yet found consists of a tiny fragment from the Gospel of John.
Scholars dated the little flake of papyrus from the period style of its
handwriting to around the first half of the 2nd century C.E. The language of
most of the new testament consists of old Greek.
Interestingly, there existed many competing Christian cults in the early years
after Jesus' alleged death. Some sects saw the universe in dualisms of goodness
and sin, of light and darkness, God and the Devil. Other Christian sects
performed odd rituals, some of which involved the swallowing of semen, thought
of as a sacred substance. Many other Christians also wrote mystical stories and
by the second century there existed more than a dozen Gospels, along with a
whole library of other texts. These include letters of Jesus to foreign kings,
letters of Paul to Aristotle, and histories of the disciples. In one of these
secret Gospels, it describes Jesus taking naked young men off to secret
initiation rites in the Garden of Gethsemene. There lived Christian Gnostics
(knowers) who believed that the church itself derived from the Devil to keep man
from God and from realizing his true nature. In those first centuries of
Christianity orthodoxy did not exist and when an organized orthodox church
finally came, it got defined, almost inadvertently, in argument against many of
the Gnostic sects.
So the idea of the Bible as a single, sacred unalterable corpus of texts began
in heresy and later extended and used by churchmen in their efforts to define
orthodoxy. One of the Bible's most influential editors, Irenaeus of Lyon,
decided that there should only exist four Gospels like the four zones of the
world, the four winds, the four divisions of man's estate, and the four forms of
the first living creatures - the lion of Mark, the calf of Luke, the man of
Matthew, and the eagle of John. In a single stroke, Irenaeus had delineated the
sacred book of the Christian church and left out the other Gospels. Irenaeus
also wrote what Christianity did not include, and in this way Christianity
became an orthodox faith. A work of Irenaeus, Against the Heresies, became the
starting point for later inquisitions.
There has existed over a hundred different versions of the Bible, written in
most of the languages of the time including Greek, Hebrew and Latin. Some
versions left out certain biblical stories and others contained added stories.
The completed versions of the old and new testament probably got finished at
around 200-300 C.E. although many disputed the authenticity of some books which
later ended up as Apocrypha (uncanonical or of questionable authorship). For
example, the book of Ecclesiasticus appears in the Catholic Bible but not in
Protestant versions.
At around 405 C.E. Jerome (Eusebius Hieronymous) finished translating all the
Old and New testament books into Latin (Vulgate Bible) which provided the Roman
Catholic church added power. The Vulgate Bible went through several revisions up
until the early 1900s!
The salvation doctrines of Christianity survived and flourished because they
afforded the priesthood considerable power. The priests alone held the keys to
salvation and could threaten the unbelievers with eternal punishment. Hence, in
the evolution of Christianity in the last two thousand years with priests
preying on human fears, the religion has demonstrated extraordinary powers of
survival. Even without the priests, the various versions of the Bible have had
more influence on the history of the world, in the minds of men than any other
literature.
Unfortunately, the beliefs in Scripture produced the most violent actions
against man in the history of humanity up to that time. The burning of competing
Christian cults (called heretics) by early Christian churches acted as the seeds
of violent atrocities against man. There later followed the destruction of Rome
by the Christian Goths, and the secret pagan sacrifices consented by the Pope,
the Vandals that had the Bible with them as they destroyed imperial North
Africa, the crusades in the eleventh century fighting in the lands around the
eastern Mediterranean, Palestine and Syria, capturing Jerusalem and setting
kingdoms from Anatolia to the Egyptian border. In 1204 the Fourth Crusade
plundered Constantinople the most holy city at that time, with Christians
fighting Christians. And the slaughters continued (and continues to this day).
According to Romer, "More heretics and scholars were burned in the Middle Ages
than were ever killed in Carolingian times. For at this time the Inquisition
came into its own, and torture, largely unused as an instrument of government
since Roman days, was reintroduced."
In the 1380s, John Wycliffe translated the first English Bible which inspired an
English religious revolution which caused persecutions against him by the
Catholic Church.
In the early 1500's the German heretic, Martin Luther, almost single handedly
caused the final split from the Roman Catholic church and created the beginnings
of the Protestant revolution. This split still influences violence to this day.
He translated the Bible into German which further spread Protestantism. Luther
also helped spread anti-Semitism with his preaching and books such as his "The
Jews and their lies," all supported through his interpretation of the Bible. One
should not forget that Hitler (a Chrisitan and great admirer of Luther) and his
holocaust could not have occurred without his influence and the support of Bible
believing German Christians.
In the 1530s Wiliam Tyndale completed his version of the English Protesant Bible
(probably with the aid of Luther) and the first to print the English Bible. He
too felt the persection of the Church and he spent his last days in imprisonment
and exile. His enemies finally caught him and burned him at the stake, but
because of his celebrity, they strangled him first (what nice guys!).
After Luther's German Bible, others followed suit by translating the Bible into
their native languages including Dutch and French. Not until 1611 C.E. did a
committee of translators and interpreters complete the most popular Bible of all
time, the King James Version.
Today we still have dozens of Bible translation versions, with Bible scholars
still arguing over the meaning and proper translations of words and phrases. The
following shows just a few of the most popular versions:
King James Version (KJV)
The New King James Version (NKJV)
Modern King James Version [Green's Translation] (MKJV)
Literal Translation Version [Green] (LITV)
International Standard Version (ISV)
The New International Version (NIV)
English Standard Version (ESV)
New English Bible (NEB)
American Standard Version (ASV)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Today's English Version (TEV)
The Living Bible (LB)
New Century Version (NC)
New Life Version (NLV)
New Living Translation (NLT)
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
Revised Young's Literal Translation (RYLT)
John Darby's New Translation
Weymouth New Testament Translation
Rotherham's
(One might wonder what will happen to the "new" revisions a few hundred years
from now. Nevertheless, the King James Version still remains the most used Bible
in the world today and it will probably continue its popularity long into the
future.)
No doubt that future versions of Bibles will surface in the future: revisions of
previously revised Bibles and newer revisions of new versions. The history of
the many versions of the Bible stories, from the ancient Mesopotamian myths to
the varied interpretations, interpolations, and versions of the Bible speaks
volumes about the reliability of their interpretations and the alleged "truth"
they claim the Bible holds, because it shows that the Bible comes not from
supernatural agents but rather from human imagination. We have not one shred of
evidence for the supernatural influence on human written works (and mostly from
unknown authors), but we do have an abundance of evidence for human recorded
beliefs and myths. This shows a marked difference between those of scientific
works and those deriving from religious minds. For example, Euclid's Elements
written around 300 BCE has changed little since its inception. Scientists don't
argue and debate about its meaning because they know it doesn't represent an
absolute or fixed work. It only provides a step in the understanding of
geometry. Most Christian apologists, on the other hand, view the Bible as fixed
and absolute, if only they could only just get the interpretation correct. But
regardless of how much the want the Bible to reflect their particular beliefs,
they can never dislodge the violence and atrocities described and condoned by
their God in the stories in the Old Testament. Nor can they dismiss the even
more horrific result of the horrors of Hell as amplified by the words of the
alleged Jesus in the New Testament where almost everyone on earth ends in
eternal fire. In short, Bible belief influences horror, not by the majority but
by the few that actually believe in its macabre prophecy and have the power to
force their beliefs onto the majority.
We have little reason to think that violence inspired by Bibles and other
religious texts will ever cease. One only has to look at the religious wars
around the world to see belief's everlasting destructive potential. One only has
to look at the Protestant-Catholic uprising in Ireland, the conflicts in the
middle east with Jews fighting Moslems & Christians, the Gulf war, Sudan's civil
war between Christians and Islamics, the Bosnia conflicts, and the war in Iraq.
The desperate acts of fanatical individuals who have killed for their beliefs of
Jesus, Mohammed, God or Satan would create a death list unmatched by any other
method in history. The "Holy" Bible supports the notion of war and destruction,
not only as a prophesy but as a moral necessity. If we wish to become a peaceful
species, it may well serve us to understand the forces of belief that keep us in
continual conflict and why the Bible has such a stronghold on the minds of
people around the world.
Furthermore, as Elmo and Thomas quite rightly pointed out, this is a *science*
newsgroup, so if you wish to argue *beliefs* then please go and do so in Elmo's
newsgroup. I, in return will adhere to discussing *science* with those who
wish to do so, and engaging in *supportive* *conversation* with my fellow
hepatitis sufferers, The Gators who I enjoy being with.
Alan, son of Nemesis.
Anyone who doubts that I am the son of Nemesis is obviously an infidel
lacking in faith whose soul is in peril of everlasting damnation.
"We love your adherence to democratic principles."
-- Vice President George Bush to Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos
http://www.veloceraptor.free-online.../protector.html
http://www.stpatricksfour.org/
http://theoriginalfirebird.blogspot.com/
http://www.planetarybillofrights.org/
Nemesis, winged balancer of life,
dark-faced Goddess, daughter of Justice,
You who restrain with adamantine bridles
the frivolous insolences of mortals,
and spurning the destructive violence of mankind
drive out black envy!
Beneath Your unceasing, traceless orbit
is spun the grey fortune of man
and unnoticed You walk in his tracks,
you bend the neck that is proud.
Beneath Your arm You ever measure out life
and ever do You lower Your eye to Your bosom
as You control the scales in Your hand.
Be gracious, blessed dealer of justice,
Nemesis, winged balancer of life.
Nemesis the deathless Goddess we sing,
Victory with slender wings, all-powerful
infallible, and the assistant to Justice,
You who in displeasure at the pride of men
carry it down into Tartarus.
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