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| Herb Master 2005-06-29, 8:56 am |
| Alright, here's the deal, im a young male who has been experimenting
with some drugs. I drink occasionally, smoke pot and lately ive
started to take shrooms.
The problem im running into is a state of mind which scares me, alcohol
does not bring this on but weed and shrooms have. For some reason at
times ive gotten so high were ive felt my body in a completely new way,
everything from my mucus in my nose to my lower jaw to the teeth in my
skull. It was a feeling that was completely unpleasant, weed sometime
can even bring on nausea for me. Shrooms have been bringing about the
same feeling, my mind will also start racing with thoughts like "what
am I doing with my life" to "what life is, period.".
Im having a hard time describing and placing this feeling that im
having. Weed was always fun, and my first experience of shrooms was
fantastic. Why do I feel this way, do others get these strange and
sometimes terrifying feelings, honestly there is no way I can explain
in words what I have felt but its absolutely horrible.
Are there others who feel this, is there a way I can stop it?
Im starting to think everything has to do with where you are, the mood,
the setting, and how you have felt previously during the day.
Anyone who has felt the same thing, elaborate on my statements
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| Claire Maryjane M2F TS 2005-06-29, 8:56 am |
| That's actually common. In fact.....part of the legitamate reason people
use psychedelics.
What you experienced while high is what many seek to experience.....the
'is there a God?' 'Why am I alive?' and 'What if the Hokey Pokey IS what
its all about?' ponderings is what the original trippers were looking
for...and Ill tell you...(and this is NO 'old hippie' rant)...the
psyches of the 60s were everything you heard it was.
I go a step furthur.....what if reality doesnt exist? What if your
senses collaborate together into an identity that can be manipulated by
others? Are there REALLY others or are they a part of my OWN trip? Ive
had doses so high that I felt as though I had melded with my
environment...I BECAME the beach, room, wilderness etc.
One thing that any experienced tripper learns when having intense trips
is that IT IS ALL PART OF A DRUG REACTION AND EVERYTHING WILL SOON BE
BACK TO NORMAL. However...the things you ponder are thoughts that you
maybe should ponder....the real meaning of words.....the true intentions
of other entties about you....and most of all....how do you know that
all your experiences and visions and senses are no more than an
entertainment to a more mundane life as a clam....or a hibernating
animal...or even a rock?
'The sun never sets on those who ride into it'
Claire
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| Herb Master 2005-06-30, 8:52 am |
| I agree with you on the idea of pondering reality and what life is
about, but the feeling I have is far from that. This feeling is one
not of contemplation or diving into the realm of reality but more a
disgusting and horrifying feeling in the body and mind. In no way
could this feeling be turned into something good or something to ponder
on. Its more realistically put as a feeling of absolute terror.
Why is it sometimes, I experience terror while other bliss.
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| Claire Maryjane M2F TS 2005-06-30, 8:52 am |
| Yin Yang.......you would not know bliss from terror without the
existance of both. Perhaps that is the learning experience being shown
by giving you both 'good trips' as well as 'bad'.
Another consideration.....maybe this 'terror' has nothing to do with
getting high. These thoughts would disturb you in a 'straight state ' as
well....so maybe you would benefit from counsel with your
guru...shaman....therapist...friends .....whatever you disscuss these
matters with.
'The sun never sets on those who ride into it'
Claire
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| Psychobot 2005-06-30, 8:52 am |
| It sounds like you have some unresolved issues or insecurities that you
should deal with. Maybe you should spend some time looking into
yourself and finding out why that idea/feeling scares you? I have come
to believe that drugs don't fundamentally change a person's behaviour,
they just bring out new aspects of it. Whatever it is, it's personal to
you and you should understand it, accept it and deal with it in your
own way.
Oh and the feeling your whole body thing, I think its because weed and
psychedelics highten your senses and make your brain accept and process
signals and sensations that would otherwise be tuned out (because they
are consantly there you don't notice them). Personally I find it a
wonderful sensation, and I just let my mind roam and imagine what is
going on throughout my body and appreciate each sensation. Often while
I just sit and enjoy and contemplate the various sensations that are in
my body (gut, blood, lungs etc) I am left with the most profound
feeling that I am nothing more than a living machine, a chemical
factory if you will.
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| askfordetails@gmail.com 2005-06-30, 11:51 am |
| Whats your star sign?
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| Herb Master 2005-07-03, 12:31 pm |
| not sure what a star sign is exactly!
and i do not think it has anything to do with who i am or what i am
feeling
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| askfordetails@gmail.com 2005-07-03, 12:31 pm |
| Then youd be wrong.
can i ask your date of birth please? (you dont have to tell me the year)
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| E GoRancher 2005-07-03, 12:31 pm |
| I feel it often and usually take the opportunity for growth by doing a
process like "core transformation" with the "part" that is between me
and bliss.
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Herb Master schreef:
> Alright, here's the deal, im a young male who has been experimenting
> with some drugs. I drink occasionally, smoke pot and lately ive
> started to take shrooms.
Why do you take those drugs in the first place?
For fun/kicks? To explore consciousness?
>
> The problem im running into is a state of mind which scares me, alcohol
> does not bring this on but weed and shrooms have. For some reason at
> times ive gotten so high were ive felt my body in a completely new way,
> everything from my mucus in my nose to my lower jaw to the teeth in my
> skull. It was a feeling that was completely unpleasant, weed sometime
> can even bring on nausea for me. Shrooms have been bringing about the
> same feeling, my mind will also start racing with thoughts like "what
> am I doing with my life" to "what life is, period.".
Seems like your drug-induced experiences give you plenty to think about
while being sober. I recommend only taking psychedelics when you're
fully convinced you want to take them (i.e. feel confident about taking
them) and have figured out in great detail why you want to use
psychedelics in the first place (what do you seek to accomplish by
using chemicals that can just as easily distort/disrupt as
enhance/amplify cognitive functioning).
Psychedelics are also known as psychotomimetics so hallucinations,
delusions, anxiety, feelings of alienation or depersonalization induced
by psychedelics are to be expected to some degree (just like you can
expect a hangover when you get drunk).
>
> Im having a hard time describing and placing this feeling that im
> having. Weed was always fun, and my first experience of shrooms was
> fantastic. Why do I feel this way, do others get these strange and
> sometimes terrifying feelings, honestly there is no way I can explain
> in words what I have felt but its absolutely horrible.
Maybe these feelings are an indication that you might be taking
psychedelics for the wrong reasons or lacking a basic understanding of
the nature of psychedelics and the way they interact with
neurochemistry (and corresponding mental sensations).
>
> Are there others who feel this, is there a way I can stop it?
I've used many psychedelics, and I still find them very interesting but
I only use them very infrequently (except cannabis).
I've also felt uncomfortable prior and during various psychedelic
experiences and most trips are still kinda scary.
It's a bit like climbing a mountain. It's a risky undertaking and even
if you know what you are doing, it can still be dangerous.
>
> Im starting to think everything has to do with where you are, the mood,
> the setting, and how you have felt previously during the day.
Set (your identity, conceptual reality, etc..) and setting (your
environment and the circumstances under which you take the drugs), yes.
One of the freightening aspects of psychedelics is that you might take
them for introspective purposes and you can end up in a serious
identity crisis (ego death, etc..) or at least have your conceptual
reality turned inside out.
If you are interested in changing your mind, psychedelics can be very
powerful tools that have to be treated with respect if you intent to
change your mind in a way that is beneficial in the long run.
>
> Anyone who has felt the same thing, elaborate on my statements
In summary, I think the following statement captures the essence of
this discussion:
To fathom hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic.
So when you take psychedelics, you can expect BOTH terror and bliss.
Just like when you climb a mountain you can expect frostbite and an
awesome view.
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| askfordetails@gmail.com 2005-07-05, 12:05 pm |
| I got a real bad feeling on salvia. ive decided never to do salvia
again, due to a feeling i get every time i take it...
i feel that when i take it, i smoke as much as i possibly can, then im
just sitting there for AGES waiting for a trip to come on, and its so
XXXXed up... nothing happens, and i think "Oh thats it, ive just gotta
wait now for these horrible effects to go away." then i question why
the XXXX would anyone want to feel like this? people are right about
drugs, why would you wanna be in that state of mind? THINKING your a
XXXXing rectangle aligned with your garden fence. instead of just
seeing shapes as you would with lsd/tryptamines... you actually become
a shape. its like it drains all the serotonin out of you and makes you
itchy, angry and cold.
although i do realise that these effects are probably just me (and some
others out there)
its got a weird smell too hasnt it, while your smoking, you get
flashbacks from your last experience with it, "ooh the salvia smell"
just wondering, has anyone ever tried smoking magic mushrooms or ANY
other herbs? (valerian, calamus/sweetflag... i hear if you smoke
mandrake you get some nice effects, unlike the effects you get if you
consume it.)
WATEVA MINGA
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askfordetails@gmail.com wrote:
> I got a real bad feeling on salvia. ive decided never to do salvia
> again, due to a feeling i get every time i take it...
> i feel that when i take it, i smoke as much as i possibly can, then im
> just sitting there for AGES waiting for a trip to come on, and its so
> XXXXed up... nothing happens, and i think "Oh thats it, ive just gotta
> wait now for these horrible effects to go away." then i question why
> the XXXX would anyone want to feel like this? people are right about
> drugs, why would you wanna be in that state of mind? THINKING your a
> XXXXing rectangle aligned with your garden fence. instead of just
> seeing shapes as you would with lsd/tryptamines... you actually become
> a shape. its like it drains all the serotonin out of you and makes you
> itchy, angry and cold.
> although i do realise that these effects are probably just me (and some
> others out there)
>
> its got a weird smell too hasnt it, while your smoking, you get
> flashbacks from your last experience with it, "ooh the salvia smell"
>
Salvia is pretty weird and can give very interesting, although somewhat
unpleasant effects. Sometimes I get a pronounced effect from smoking
just a pinch and at other times I inhalve 2 or 3 big puffs of 15x
extract in a pipe and barely notice any effects.
I have achieved weird trance states on salvia a couple of times with
visuals, weird bodily sensations (like when you feel your body turning
as if you feel the earth spinning) and triggering deep memories. At
other times smoking salvia just tends to screw with my mind a bit (or
so it feels) making it difficult to think and concentrate.
I'd still like to try salvia orally. I've tried this a number of times
but so far I haven't noticed any effects from oral usage (keeping
extract under my tongue with 96% alcohol for 15 or 30 minutes).
It's kind of interesting that alcohol, GHB, salvinorin and THC are some
of the few psychoactives that don't contain nitrogen (only oxygen,
hydrogen and carbon).
>
> just wondering, has anyone ever tried smoking magic mushrooms or ANY
> other herbs? (valerian, calamus/sweetflag... i hear if you smoke
> mandrake you get some nice effects, unlike the effects you get if you
> consume it.)
I did smoke DMT and this is fairly similar to the psychoactive
ingredient in shrooms. I might have tried smoking shrooms a few times
but I don't think I managed to achieve any effects from that.
>
>
> WATEVA MINGA
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| askfordetails@gmail.com 2005-07-05, 5:53 pm |
| >It's kind of interesting that alcohol, GHB, salvinorin and THC are some of the few psychoactives that don't contain nitrogen (only oxygen, hydrogen and carbon).
Although there completely different eh? GHB (as GBL) is a great drug,
one of my first substances i tried. i think my first was hawaiian baby
woodrose seeds. its a shame old albert hoffman(shulgin?) isnt doing any
research on salvinorin derivatives[ or is he? ;) ]
>I did smoke DMT
How did you manage that? and what form was it in?
i would love to try it, but then i would definately be
making/extracting it myself as people here in london probably dont even
know what it is
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askfordetails@gmail.com wrote:
of the few psychoactives that don't contain nitrogen (only oxygen, hydrogen=
and carbon).[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Although there completely different eh?
Sure, although alcohol and GHB are somewhat similar in their effects.
> GHB (as GBL) is a great drug,
> one of my first substances i tried.
Didn't you try alcohol or weed first?
> i think my first was hawaiian baby
> woodrose seeds.
Baby woodrose seeds (like morning glory) contain LSA which is close to
LSD in molecular structure.
> its a shame old albert hoffman(shulgin?) isnt doing any
> research on salvinorin derivatives[ or is he? ;) ]
http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia..._journal7.shtml
"Unless you believe that Salvia divinorum is the old Mexica (Aztec)
narcotic plant pipiltzintzintli (I don't), the story of this
fascinating mint began in the late 1930s. When R. Gordon Wasson and
Albert Hoffman brought back material for Carl Epling to identify
(Wasson 1962, 1963; Epling and J=E1tiva-M 1962), they ended a search
that had lasted nearly a quarter of a century."
>
>
> How did you manage that? and what form was it in?
> i would love to try it, but then i would definately be
> making/extracting it myself as people here in london probably dont even
> know what it is
http://www.ibbu.nl/~nsprakel/dmt.jpg
I've heard it's pretty difficult to extract.
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| batterylife 2005-07-06, 8:54 am |
| Oh and:
> DMT
> How did you manage that? and what form was it in?
> i would love to try it, but then i would definately be
> making/extracting it myself as people here in london probably dont even
> know what it is
DMT is pretty easy to get if you know the right scene and it's a lot
different in strucuture than say, other hallucinogens. A real
recommender if you run into it, albeit sythesis is indeed very, very
hard.
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| batterylife 2005-07-06, 8:54 am |
| I am afraid that smoking mushrooms won't exactly have the effects you
want. Even smoking THC (weed or hasish alike) is a rediculously
wasteful manner to use Marijuana, the only way to really let the
effects kick in is to eat it. This is because Mushrooms are absolutely
unsmokeable (i.e. psilocybin will just fall apart) and THC is a bit
unfriendly to the heat as well.
You c=E1n smoke them, but it has a lot less use.
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| cheech 2005-07-11, 8:59 am |
| name wrote:
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> http://www.ibbu.nl/~nsprakel/dmt.jpg
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> I've heard it's pretty difficult to extract.
>
it is very easy to extract pure dmt freebase from a variety of plants.
mimosa hostillis root bark is one of the most concentrated sources found
in nature. even better, n,n dmt is the only tryptamine contained in the
bark. the process is lots of fun too especially when you take that first
hit you made.
cheech
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cheech wrote:
> name wrote:
>
> it is very easy to extract pure dmt freebase from a variety of plants.
> mimosa hostillis root bark is one of the most concentrated sources found
> in nature. even better, n,n dmt is the only tryptamine contained in the
> bark. the process is lots of fun too especially when you take that first
> hit you made.
>
> cheech
Isn't it difficult to purify? Do you know of any webpages that explain
about extraction in detail (with pictures if possible)?
Something similar to this salvinorin extraction page:
http://forums.lycaeum.org/cgi-bin/u...ic&f=2&t=001367
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batterylife wrote:
> I am afraid that smoking mushrooms won't exactly have the effects you
> want. Even smoking THC (weed or hasish alike) is a rediculously
> wasteful manner to use Marijuana, the only way to really let the
> effects kick in is to eat it.
Actually eating cannabis requires a lot more to achieve any effects and
smoking isn't all that wasteful, especially in a pipe. If you smoke
weed, you are actually vaporizing the THC but allong with inhaling the
THC, you also inhale tar and other crap. This is because the THC right
in front of the glowing end of the spliff heats up and vaporizes before
it gets a chance to burn. But obviously it would be a bad habit to keep
the smoke in your lungs to absorb all the THC along with the rest of
the smoke. If you vaporize THC in a vaporizer, there is no smoke, only
THC vapor and then you can keep the vapor in your lungs to absorb most
of it without polluting your lungs with tar.
> This is because Mushrooms are absolutely
> unsmokeable (i.e. psilocybin will just fall apart) and THC is a bit
> unfriendly to the heat as well.
>=20
> You c=E1n smoke them, but it has a lot less use.
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batterylife wrote:
> Oh and:
>
>
> DMT is pretty easy to get if you know the right scene and it's a lot
> different in strucuture than say, other hallucinogens. A real
> recommender if you run into it, albeit sythesis is indeed very, very
> hard.
Try Chem-Compare at Erowid:
http://www.erowid.org/cgi-bin/chem_...ocin_3d_mid.jpg
http://www.erowid.org/cgi-bin/chem_...enin_3d_mid.jpg
As you can see, DMT is quite similar in structure to hallucinogens like
psilocin and bufotenin.
Hallucinogens like salvinorin-A on the other hand are quite unique in
molecular structure and their interaction with neurochemistry.
Also, it would be more sensible to let the synthesis of hallucinogens
up to plants/animals and extracting them instead of synthesizing them
from scratch.
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| cheech 2005-07-11, 8:59 am |
| name wrote:
>
> cheech wrote:
>
>
>
> Isn't it difficult to purify? Do you know of any webpages that explain
> about extraction in detail (with pictures if possible)?
very easy to purify.......instead of evap'ing the solvent (naphtha
usually) put it in the freezer, the spice will precipitate out (leaving
impurities in the solvent) as it's not soluble in VERY cold solvent.
cheech
One of the problems with god is that people use it as an excuse to treat
opinion as fact.
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| Cameron 2005-07-31, 8:53 am |
| Herb Master wrote:
> Alright, here's the deal, im a young male who has been experimenting
> with some drugs. I drink occasionally, smoke pot and lately ive
> started to take shrooms.
>
> The problem im running into is a state of mind which scares me, alcohol
> does not bring this on but weed and shrooms have. For some reason at
> times ive gotten so high were ive felt my body in a completely new way,
> everything from my mucus in my nose to my lower jaw to the teeth in my
> skull. It was a feeling that was completely unpleasant, weed sometime
> can even bring on nausea for me. Shrooms have been bringing about the
> same feeling, my mind will also start racing with thoughts like "what
> am I doing with my life" to "what life is, period.".
>
> Im having a hard time describing and placing this feeling that im
> having. Weed was always fun, and my first experience of shrooms was
> fantastic. Why do I feel this way, do others get these strange and
> sometimes terrifying feelings, honestly there is no way I can explain
> in words what I have felt but its absolutely horrible.
>
> Are there others who feel this, is there a way I can stop it?
>
> Im starting to think everything has to do with where you are, the mood,
> the setting, and how you have felt previously during the day.
>
> Anyone who has felt the same thing, elaborate on my statements
>
You're experiencing classic paranoia. Enjoy it. It's the herb's way of
showing you things. In this case, it's showing the contents of your
subconscious. Your fears and your insecurities. Meditate on them so that
you can face them and overcome them.
The plant and the fungus will test your mettle.
Set and setting are important of course. If you've just watched your
family and posessions destroyed in a fire, such a time is NOT good for
tripping.
You want to be in a comfortable environment and to be comfortable with
yourself and those around you. Otherwise, the psychedelics will punish
you for taking your baggage on your trip with you.
Try taking your shrooms in total darkness and in total silence and with
as little company as you can tolerate.
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