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Is something being added to hash to make it more addictive?
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| Hi fellow mind expanders.
This post isn't exactly on topic but reading through the posts here
there seem to be some knowledgeable posters who may be able to
enlighten me.
Has anyone noticed any difference in the black hash that's available
these days? I don't mean Charice (spelling?) or any derivatives, I
mean your average black hash (bar) that costs about £45 an oz in the
UK.
I smoke every day and have been for about 15 years. In the past I
would sometimes stop smoking for a couple of weeks to give my lungs a
rest. I would get withdrawal symptoms like irritability, tension but
nothing to bad. Now when I stop smoking I (and others) get very
irritable and have the most horrendous nightmares when we can sleep.
Last time it went on for about a week and more. Soon as you restart
smoking they stop, instantly. I've heard rumours that "stuff" is being
added to the hash to make it addictive but that hardly makes economic
sense for a dealer. Any thoughts?
As to the shoom situ, I live in East Sussex and there has been a
bumper crop of mushies this year. My partner went out last Saturday
morning and in 2 hours picked 300. Needless to say a good night was
had by all.
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Ant wrote:
> Hi fellow mind expanders.
> This post isn't exactly on topic but reading through the posts here
> there seem to be some knowledgeable posters who may be able to
> enlighten me.
> Has anyone noticed any difference in the black hash that's available
> these days? I don't mean Charice (spelling?) or any derivatives, I
> mean your average black hash (bar) that costs about =A345 an oz in the
> UK.
> I smoke every day and have been for about 15 years. In the past I
> would sometimes stop smoking for a couple of weeks to give my lungs a
> rest. I would get withdrawal symptoms like irritability, tension but
> nothing to bad. Now when I stop smoking I (and others) get very
> irritable and have the most horrendous nightmares when we can sleep.
> Last time it went on for about a week and more. Soon as you restart
> smoking they stop, instantly. I've heard rumours that "stuff" is being
> added to the hash to make it addictive but that hardly makes economic
> sense for a dealer. Any thoughts?
> As to the shoom situ, I live in East Sussex and there has been a
> bumper crop of mushies this year. My partner went out last Saturday
> morning and in 2 hours picked 300. Needless to say a good night was
> had by all.
Dunno... have you ever tried gradually reducing consumption to see if
that ameliorates these withdrawal symptoms?
I tend to use (vaporize) bud instead of hash, but when I quit overnight
my stomache gets quite upset and I also recognize some of the other
withdrawal symptoms you mention (irritability, insomnia, a tendency to
sweat profusely at night, reduced appetite). Nightmares are relatively
rare for me though and I don't tend to associate
them with abstinence. In fact, vivid dreaming is one of the things I
enjoy about abstinence. Sometimes I recal lengthy dreams in stunning
detail in the initial period upon abstaining.
I regularly quit for prolonged periods (a few months) although I also
regularly use it on a daily basis for months on end.
I gradually reduce usage over a week or so and I find this makes it
easier for my stomage to handle abstinence.
For me it's not hard to abtain from pot mentally, but I find my body
sometimes has more difficulties adjusting to the new situation.
Perhaps you can try melatonin when you have difficulties sleeping while
abstaining.
I've often thought about people selling pot/hash adding something to
ensure their customers return, but, like you say, it doesn't make any
economic sense.
Besides, the bud they sell here (in the Netherlands) is so good you
will be coming back for more anyway. :-)
(Hope ya don't mind I added rec.drugs.cannabis and uk.drugs.cannabis
where this
discussion is probably more on-topic.)
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| the 2nd coming of christ 2005-11-13, 5:58 pm |
| marijuana in and of itself is not addictive, don't know hash but i would think
it's also not addictive, so to say "are they making it more addictive" is XXXXing
wrong to begin with... maybe ask "are they making it addictive"... that might work...
many people mix tobacco and pot and think it's the XXXXing pot that's addictive.
it is not. it is the god damn tobacco that is causing the addiction...
--
"The US has lost its high moral ground & its ability to lead on peace and elsewhere." --Irene Khan
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| Mud Stomper 2005-11-13, 5:58 pm |
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"the 2nd coming of christ" <jesucristo2@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> marijuana in and of itself is not addictive, don't know hash but i would
> think
> it's also not addictive, so to say "are they making it more addictive" is
> XXXXing
> wrong to begin with... maybe ask "are they making it addictive"... that
> might work...
>
> many people mix tobacco and pot and think it's the XXXXing pot that's
> addictive.
> it is not. it is the god damn tobacco that is causing the addiction...
>
> --
>
> "The US has lost its high moral ground & its ability to lead on peace and
> elsewhere." --Irene Khan
There's a lot of shit added into soap available in the UK
http://www.ukcia.org/activism/soapbar.htm I agree with the tobacco thing, I
smoke that shit anyway so when I go with out I don't suffer any of those
side effects but my mind can become a little crazy, usually I don't realise
it has until I have my next toke and realise it's settling down.......
Hi to everyone by the way as I'm a new poster 
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| the 2nd coming of christ 2005-11-13, 5:58 pm |
| On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:36:53 -0000, "Mud Stomper" <mu-stomper@freeuk.com> wrote:
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>"the 2nd coming of christ" <jesucristo2@netscape.net> wrote in message
>news:43718fd6.74536886@news.znet.com...
>
>There's a lot of shit added into soap available in the UK
>http://www.ukcia.org/activism/soapbar.htm
holy crap! i guess there's not much of that here in the US, but i've read before that
they add shit to low-grade weed to make it more potent. i can detect the obviously evil
stuff by sniffing it because it just reeks like ammonia or something... someone told me
once that they add that to fool the dogs when the shit crosses the border...
whatever the reason, i don't want that shit in my weed--i try to stick to the high-grade
stuff these days... it may cost more, but my health is important to me...
> I agree with the tobacco thing, I
>smoke that shit anyway
you smoke soapbar? or you mean blunts...
> so when I go with out I don't suffer any of those
>side effects but my mind can become a little crazy, usually I don't realise
>it has until I have my next toke and realise it's settling down.......
if you mean blunts, of course... nicotine is highly addictive--more than cocaine i believe.
>
>Hi to everyone by the way as I'm a new poster
thanks for the info... and watch out for pigs, they disguise themselves...
if you see someone saying pigs are cools and you should trust pigs,
they're probably a pig themselves, if you get my meaning...
--
"The US has lost its high moral ground & its ability to lead on peace and elsewhere." --Irene Khan
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| Mud Stomper 2005-11-13, 5:58 pm |
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"the 2nd coming of christ" <jesucristo2@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:4371f19c.99571240@news.znet.com...
> On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:36:53 -0000, "Mud Stomper" <mu-stomper@freeuk.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> holy crap! i guess there's not much of that here in the US, but i've read
> before that
> they add shit to low-grade weed to make it more potent. i can detect the
> obviously evil
> stuff by sniffing it because it just reeks like ammonia or something...
> someone told me
> once that they add that to fool the dogs when the shit crosses the
> border...
>
> whatever the reason, i don't want that shit in my weed--i try to stick to
> the high-grade
> stuff these days... it may cost more, but my health is important to me...
>
>
> you smoke soapbar? or you mean blunts...
sometimes I smoke bar, but it's usually good grade, well, better than the
norm, but I try to stick to the bud Unfortunatly I do smoke baccy,
started when I was 11 and haven't got round to quitting yet, I will when my
world calms down...
>
>
> if you mean blunts, of course... nicotine is highly addictive--more than
> cocaine i believe.
>
>
> thanks for the info... and watch out for pigs, they disguise themselves...
hehe, I know the thing about the plods, I'm on a legalise group in the UK,
interesting how they try to get in ;) At the moment I'm up on charges so I'm
still trying to wash their smell out of my hair....
>
> if you see someone saying pigs are cools and you should trust pigs,
> they're probably a pig themselves, if you get my meaning...
>
> --
>
> "The US has lost its high moral ground & its ability to lead on peace and
> elsewhere." --Irene Khan
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"name" <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131499038.595655.124460@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ant wrote:
> Hi fellow mind expanders.
> This post isn't exactly on topic but reading through the posts here
> there seem to be some knowledgeable posters who may be able to
> enlighten me.
> Has anyone noticed any difference in the black hash that's available
> these days? I don't mean Charice (spelling?) or any derivatives, I
> mean your average black hash (bar) that costs about £45 an oz in the
> UK.
See:
http://www.ccguide.org.uk/badsoap.php
Don't buy soap-bar. EVER.
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| Just Another Cannabis Fan 2005-11-13, 5:58 pm |
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Mud Stomper wrote:
> There's a lot of shit added into soap available in the UK
Hi new poster. I recently had some dope that was claimed to be straight
from 'dam called "Caramela"(?)
When burnt in a bong it chucked off masses of black smoke just like
rubber burning!
But XXXX me was it strong!
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| <uk.rec.drugs.cannabis , Mud Stomper , mu-stomper@freeuk.com>
<dkt27v$s8j$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>
<Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:48:37 -0000>
>
> hehe, I know the thing about the plods, I'm on a legalise group in the UK,
> interesting how they try to get in ;)
>
What is they do - try to talk you out of your wicked ways :-)
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| <uk.rec.drugs.cannabis , Jez , iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com>
<w7-dnbk5z4JTku_eRVnyjQ@pipex.net>
<Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:03:34 -0000>
> http://www.ccguide.org.uk/badsoap.php
>
> Don't buy soap-bar. EVER.
>
I practically never touch cannabis these days - not because I dont want
too but because I wont touch soapbar and its rare a good bit of kit
appears .
Its almost like soapbar has government approval .
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| Grassy Knollington 2005-11-13, 5:58 pm |
| Not had a smoke for about a month now, and I was a moderate daily
user (well I'm still a tobacco addict) but last night I had some tesco own
brand beer and this morning I have one hell of a burst blood vessel red
eye, so I am thinking that the approved drug of the shitstem (alchohol)
isn't much better anyway.
Ganga (even soap) has never done that to me.
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| Dave J. 2005-11-13, 5:58 pm |
| In MsgID<MPG.1ddcd7ea2abdde8698a684@no-cancel.newsreader.com> within
uk.rec.drugs.cannabis, 'Narc' wrote:
>I practically never touch cannabis these days - not because I dont want
>too but because I wont touch soapbar and its rare a good bit of kit
>appears .
>
>Its almost like soapbar has government approval .
Closest I've ever got to conspiracy theorist is to speculate that maybe it
does.
It's almost universal in makeup, nationally.
It's obviously produced/imported in such huge quantities (and again, is so
consistent) that it seems to have been 'approved' under the counter
somewhere.
And finally, it's full of things that
a) are unhealthy
b) tend to tranquilise/pacify and
c) do not provoke independent thought in the way that THC does.
Dave J.
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| Eddie Daughton 2005-11-15, 10:57 am |
| All Govenmints have an "axe to grind" with the drugs they allow.
The first issue is that the drugs must allow social control, ideal with
alcohol (licensing laws, extra policing because people become
aggressive/stupid and allow behaviours that would not be tolerated in a
polite society, these police issues result in a lowering of standards as
people give up their right (and duty) to behave responsibly (notice downtown
in any British city on a weekend night)) this INCREASES the level of social
control that can be applied (for apparent reasons, fear etc., by both the
drunk and the people around them).
The second is that the drug of choice must tend to passivate the people in
regard to the rulers, this can be done either by increasing apathy (soap
bar, pills etc.,) or by redirecting the aggression engendered by an unjust
society onto available targets (other people: alcohol is the ideal drug for
this).
The third is that the drug must be easily controlled/taxed. the best drug
for this is again alcohol, it is (usually) sold from premises that are
licensed, only approved alcohol varieties are allowed to be sold (ever tried
to buy proper absinthe?, Mead?) and some control is gained over the
distribution (age limits etc.).
Actual quality issues take a vastly second if not third place after place
price and volume of supply (pile it high, sell it cheap) no wonder you had a
burst blood vessel...
Soap meanwhile is just a way of applying the same market forces to another
drug (cannabis) that tries to circumvent the government approval route.
However the degradation in quality that this process has engendered has
brought cannabis close to being a government approved drug in its own right,
only skunk has stopped the total legalisation of cannabis in the UK (various
Chief Constable's reports/ quotes).
Stay high, smoke good kif
"kif is like fire, a little warms your heart, too much burns your soul"
hugs
Golly
"Dave J." <requiem@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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> In MsgID<MPG.1ddcd7ea2abdde8698a684@no-cancel.newsreader.com> within
> uk.rec.drugs.cannabis, 'Narc' wrote:
>
>
> Closest I've ever got to conspiracy theorist is to speculate that maybe it
> does.
>
> It's almost universal in makeup, nationally.
>
> It's obviously produced/imported in such huge quantities (and again, is so
> consistent) that it seems to have been 'approved' under the counter
> somewhere.
>
> And finally, it's full of things that
> a) are unhealthy
> b) tend to tranquilise/pacify and
> c) do not provoke independent thought in the way that THC does.
>
> Dave J.
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| VOIDHAWK777 2005-12-10, 12:29 pm |
| ha hahahahahahahahahahahahaha jesus wept and so did i...you XXXXing stupid
twats!!!
"name" <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131499038.595655.124460@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ant wrote:
> Hi fellow mind expanders.
> This post isn't exactly on topic but reading through the posts here
> there seem to be some knowledgeable posters who may be able to
> enlighten me.
> Has anyone noticed any difference in the black hash that's available
> these days? I don't mean Charice (spelling?) or any derivatives, I
> mean your average black hash (bar) that costs about £45 an oz in the
> UK.
> I smoke every day and have been for about 15 years. In the past I
> would sometimes stop smoking for a couple of weeks to give my lungs a
> rest. I would get withdrawal symptoms like irritability, tension but
> nothing to bad. Now when I stop smoking I (and others) get very
> irritable and have the most horrendous nightmares when we can sleep.
> Last time it went on for about a week and more. Soon as you restart
> smoking they stop, instantly. I've heard rumours that "stuff" is being
> added to the hash to make it addictive but that hardly makes economic
> sense for a dealer. Any thoughts?
> As to the shoom situ, I live in East Sussex and there has been a
> bumper crop of mushies this year. My partner went out last Saturday
> morning and in 2 hours picked 300. Needless to say a good night was
> had by all.
Dunno... have you ever tried gradually reducing consumption to see if
that ameliorates these withdrawal symptoms?
I tend to use (vaporize) bud instead of hash, but when I quit overnight
my stomache gets quite upset and I also recognize some of the other
withdrawal symptoms you mention (irritability, insomnia, a tendency to
sweat profusely at night, reduced appetite). Nightmares are relatively
rare for me though and I don't tend to associate
them with abstinence. In fact, vivid dreaming is one of the things I
enjoy about abstinence. Sometimes I recal lengthy dreams in stunning
detail in the initial period upon abstaining.
I regularly quit for prolonged periods (a few months) although I also
regularly use it on a daily basis for months on end.
I gradually reduce usage over a week or so and I find this makes it
easier for my stomage to handle abstinence.
For me it's not hard to abtain from pot mentally, but I find my body
sometimes has more difficulties adjusting to the new situation.
Perhaps you can try melatonin when you have difficulties sleeping while
abstaining.
I've often thought about people selling pot/hash adding something to
ensure their customers return, but, like you say, it doesn't make any
economic sense.
Besides, the bud they sell here (in the Netherlands) is so good you
will be coming back for more anyway. :-)
(Hope ya don't mind I added rec.drugs.cannabis and uk.drugs.cannabis
where this
discussion is probably more on-topic.)
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