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Erowid Needs Your Help

bb_usenet@erowid.org

2005-08-12, 10:53 pm

Hey Everyone,

Erowid.org needs your help. An Erowid supporter has stepped forward to
make the following matching offer. If you become a member of Erowid
before the end of August (at special $33, $50, $100, or $175 levels),
you will trigger an equal donation by the matching contributor, in
effect DOUBLING your support for Erowid!

We have $3,500 in matching funds remaining which we must use by the end
of August or we lose them. This is enough to match another seventy $50
donations. If you've been meaning to become a member, or have found the
site useful or valuable in the past, please help us take advantage of
this offer by joining now through the following page:

http://www.erowid.org/donations/don..._matching.shtml

Members can receive our print newsletter Erowid Extracts as well as a
membership gift of their choice (see the url above for details about
gifts). Feel free to pass this message around as we need to get the
word out so we don't lose this funding!

Thanks!
The Erowid Crew
(donations@erowid.org)

The Psychedelic Pope

2005-08-12, 10:53 pm

Remember the late Bob Wallace and his
work, help, assistance and contributions.

Send your loving energies to him whereever
he may now be residing by sending your
matching donation. I'm sending them a
phatty one $$$ and urge you to do the same
with as much as you can give.

http://www.erowid.org/donations/don..._matching.shtml

Nobody

2005-08-12, 10:53 pm

Michael

2005-08-12, 10:53 pm

Done.

Erowid rocks. :-)

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski

2005-08-12, 10:53 pm

The Psychedelic Pope wrote:
> Remember the late Bob Wallace and his
> work, help, assistance and contributions.
>
> Send your loving energies to him whereever
> he may now be residing by sending your
> matching donation. I'm sending them a
> phatty one $$$ and urge you to do the same
> with as much as you can give.
>
> http://www.erowid.org/donations/don..._matching.shtml

I honor the late Mr. Wallace. While he swore me to secrecy, as he is dead
I'll presume this is void. He once financially helped me. If it weren't for
the help of this gentleman, me and my sites might be offline. I personally
encourage support of Erowid.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

projectile vomit chick

2005-08-12, 10:53 pm

On 12 Aug 2005 17:44:20 -0700, in alt.drugs.hard, bb_usenet@erowid.org
hit the crackpipe and declared:
>Hey Everyone,
>
>Erowid.org needs your help. An Erowid supporter has stepped forward to
>make the following matching offer. If you become a member of Erowid
>before the end of August (at special $33, $50, $100, or $175 levels),
>you will trigger an equal donation by the matching contributor, in
>effect DOUBLING your support for Erowid!

Yeah, god forbid that the trip reports about huffing propane and
tripping on benadryl would disappear.....
--
we're all stars now, in the dope show...

projectile vomit chick

2005-08-12, 10:53 pm

On 12 Aug 2005 18:09:30 -0700, in alt.drugs.hard, "Nobody"
<tadapope@aol.com> hit the crackpipe and declared:
>Remember the late Bob Wallace and his
>work, help, assistance and contributions.
>
>Send your loving energies to him whereever
>he may now be residing by sending your
>matching donation. I'm sending them a
>phatty one $$$ and urge you to do the same
>with as much as you can give.
>
>http://www.erowid.org/donations/don..._matching.shtml

XXXX you. Give some money to the next homeless person you see.
Better that than some useless shit on the internet.
--
we're all stars now, in the dope show...

Michael

2005-08-12, 10:53 pm

projectile vomit chick wrote:

> On 12 Aug 2005 18:09:30 -0700, in alt.drugs.hard, "Nobody"
> <tadapope@aol.com> hit the crackpipe and declared:
>
>
> XXXX you. Give some money to the next homeless person you see.

BTDT... from *both* ends of the gift. XXXX you too.

> Better that than some useless shit on the internet.

Ain't useless, and the two ain't mutually exclusive.

Do you also pick up hitch-hikers, offer broke and soggy travellers a meal, a
toke and a bed, give away venison and salmon to anonymous folks who can't
(or just didn't get a chance to) get their own during the in-season?

I do.

PTA*

2005-08-12, 10:53 pm

"projectile vomit chick" <eat@theY.cum> wrote in
message
news:29lqf1hvrj5nav2hp5kdvhs12mg5vlgnai@4ax.com...
> On 12 Aug 2005 18:09:30 -0700, in
> alt.drugs.hard, "Nobody"
> <tadapope@aol.com> hit the crackpipe and
> declared:
>
>
> XXXX you. Give some money to the next homeless
> person you see.
> Better that than some useless shit on the
> internet.
> --
> we're all stars now, in the dope show...

PVC, I like you and love reading your posts.
However, I do think you haven't given Erowid a
fair deal here. They provide a whole host of
information and while yes there are trip reports
of people do all kinds of stupid things Erowid is
a valuable resource of information.

Feel free to put your dollars where you feel they
will be best used but please don't knock Erowid
just because stupid punks do stupid things and
write about it on that website.

Sorry, I really don't want to offend you or coerce
you to donate to them. I have learned many things
from the information they provide and they are one
of the few resources on the net that provide
unbiased information about drugs and drug use both
the good and the bad.

-PTA*

Joel

2005-08-12, 10:53 pm

"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@geeks.org> wrote:

> I honor the late Mr. Wallace. While he swore me to secrecy, as he is dead
>I'll presume this is void. He once financially helped me. If it weren't for
>the help of this gentleman, me and my sites might be offline. I personally
>encourage support of Erowid.

Interesting ...

--
Joel Crump

"Of course, it is ironic that a media company [Fox News Channel] that
should be seeking to protect the First Amendment is seeking to
undermine it by claiming a monopoly on the phrase "fair and balanced."
- Judge Denny Chin, referring to Fox News accusing Al Franken of
trademark infringement.

Nobody

2005-08-12, 10:53 pm

PVC you really do live up to your rancid name.

Nobody

2005-08-12, 10:53 pm

Good for you Robert. My website is also payed for by
a secret find man that is still living. He gave me total
rein onwhat I could put there and I have with unlimited
space to do it. Freedom for free is a blessing!

PS: Michael you're a good man and there should be
more like you too.

BeingSirius@KillerWhale.com

2005-08-12, 10:53 pm

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:05:00 GMT, projectile vomit chick
<eat@theY.cum> wrote:

>On 12 Aug 2005 18:09:30 -0700, in alt.drugs.hard, "Nobody"
><tadapope@aol.com> hit the crackpipe and declared:
>
>
>XXXX you. Give some money to the next homeless person you see.
>Better that than some useless shit on the internet.

Yeah, help a homeless person get drunk for no good reason other than
that it's the only thing that eases their pain. Sure beats helping
ensure the continuance of resources for those seeking to expand their
inner horizons in the interest of personal growth. :-) Besides, as
someone else said, you can just as easily do both. :-)

projectile vomit chick

2005-08-13, 8:54 am

On 12 Aug 2005 20:04:06 -0700, in alt.drugs.hard, "Nobody"
<tadapope@aol.com> hit the crackpipe and declared:
>PVC you really do live up to your rancid name.

Thanks!
--
we're all stars now, in the dope show...

Socs*

2005-08-13, 8:54 am

> On 12 Aug 2005 20:04:06 -0700, in alt.drugs.hard, "Nobody"
> <tadapope@aol.com> hit the crackpipe and declared:
>
> Thanks!
> --
> we're all stars now, in the dope show...

Only problem is, by a widely recognized transitive law, attacking
Erowid is like attacking Bob Wallace is like attacking cute little
kittens...it can be done, but it shouldn't be done.

Disciple

2005-08-13, 8:54 am

erowid.ORG ???

I don`t normally use this site `cos it sucks but I`m pretty sure last
time I was there the domain was .COM and nor .ORG ...... could be wrong
I suppose but there asking for money too so to me this smells like a
scam. Beware !

detox sucks

2005-08-13, 8:54 am

In article <lRcLe.685$UA1.50@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>, ptallstar1@...oo.com
says...
>
>"projectile vomit chick" <eat@theY.cum> wrote in
>message
>news:29lqf1hvrj5nav2hp5kdvhs12mg5vlgnai@4ax.com...
>
>PVC, I like you and love reading your posts.
>However, I do think you haven't given Erowid a
>fair deal here. They provide a whole host of
>information and while yes there are trip reports
>of people do all kinds of stupid things Erowid is
>a valuable resource of information.
>
>Feel free to put your dollars where you feel they
>will be best used but please don't knock Erowid
>just because stupid punks do stupid things and
>write about it on that website.
>
>Sorry, I really don't want to offend you or coerce
>you to donate to them. I have learned many things
>from the information they provide and they are one
>of the few resources on the net that provide
>unbiased information about drugs and drug use both
>the good and the bad.
>

XXXX the homeless and erowid I can barely support my habit and after I quit
I'll be getting MY life together and that'll take $$. Don't gimme any BS about
karma either, I'm not superstitious. If this Wallace guy wants to give away
his money he should go ahead and do it without trying to guilt mine out of me.

btw, I otherwise have nothing against the homeless or erowid, I've
learned stuff about drugs from erowid, and the homeless, they're just not
getting my money, I don't have enough to give away. In fact I resent having to
make excuses. Of course I chose to post my opinion, so I didn't have to make
an excuse, so it's nice that neither giving to erowid, the homeless, or posting
to usenet is compulsory

detox sucks

2005-08-13, 8:54 am

In article <kb3rf191hjagl3js2tra7s81seqj6nh503@4ax.com>,
BeingSirius@KillerWhale.com says...
>
>On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:05:00 GMT, projectile vomit chick
><eat@theY.cum> wrote:
>
>
>Yeah, help a homeless person get drunk for no good reason other than
>that it's the only thing that eases their pain. Sure beats helping
>ensure the continuance of resources for those seeking to expand their
>inner horizons in the interest of personal growth. :-) Besides, as
>someone else said, you can just as easily do both. :-)

Erowid isn't expanding that much in the way of inner horizons. I'd donate to
Wikipedia and the JREF before Erowid. I know somebody on welfare who will
probably donate though, because he cherishes Erowid. Erowid's links to McKenna
and assorted freakery luminaries helped him find all the right massive doses of
psychedelics to become a bonafide 'shaman' which in his case means having
triggered a massive case of superstition and dysfunctional OCD. If he were any
dumber going into it he'd be full blown schitzoid, instead he's just really
annoying. Has a tantrum like a three-year old when he doesn't get his way.
Ironically, he's also often homeless. Thanks Erowid!

detox sucks

2005-08-13, 8:54 am

In article <1123915885.904657.124000@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
socrates9899@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>Only problem is, by a widely recognized transitive law, attacking
>Erowid is like attacking Bob Wallace is like attacking cute little
>kittens...it can be done, but it shouldn't be done.
>

I don't even know who Bob Wallace is but I absolutely hate rich people who
'match' donations. So I hate Bob Wallace. I'm sorry he's dead, though,
because I wish I had a chance to tell him why his will is stupid. If he's not
dead, apologies to Bob, but I think I gleaned that much from this thread.. I
don't know, it's late..

Switchblade

2005-08-13, 8:54 am

i recently discovered Erowid like less than a week ago, and so far i ve
found his info to be very ..Informing, but i m not exactly at that
point where i would donate, atleast not thru web. if somebody came up
to me and said hey got a dollar for erowid?" i d be like sure, here.
but ah i m not gonna risk my credit card number or go thru thepost
office bullshit to donate money, atleast not yet.

oh and karma isnt exactly a superstition, but thats a whole different
argument..

DarkSheer

2005-08-13, 11:53 am

projectile vomit chick wrote:
> On 12 Aug 2005 18:09:30 -0700, in alt.drugs.hard, "Nobody"
> <tadapope@aol.com> hit the crackpipe and declared:
>
>
> XXXX you. Give some money to the next homeless person you see.
> Better that than some useless shit on the internet.

Better yet, tell him to get a job and get off the streets. Erowid has done
more for me than any bum on the street.

Ryan

DarkSheer

2005-08-13, 11:53 am

Disciple wrote:
> erowid.ORG ???
>
> I don`t normally use this site `cos it sucks but I`m pretty sure last
> time I was there the domain was .COM and nor .ORG ...... could be
> wrong I suppose but there asking for money too so to me this smells
> like a scam. Beware !

No, it's .org. But who knows about the other things you've said. Haven't
really checked it out.

Ryan

Ryan

2005-08-13, 11:53 am

"Michael" <muirhead@haidagwaii.net> wrote in message
news:xOidnVdXNurKymDfRVn-3w@qcislands.net...
> projectile vomit chick wrote:
>
> Do you also pick up hitch-hikers, offer broke and soggy travellers a meal,
> a toke and a bed, give away venison and salmon to anonymous folks who
> can't (or just didn't get a chance to) get their own during the in-season?
>
> I do.
>

I usually just kill them and throw them out on the freeway.

-Ryan
(just kidding..)

BeingSirius@KillerWhale.com

2005-08-13, 11:53 am

On 13 Aug 2005 02:46:10 -0700, "Disciple" <deciple_666@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>erowid.ORG ???
>
>I don`t normally use this site `cos it sucks but I`m pretty sure last
>time I was there the domain was .COM and nor .ORG ...... could be wrong
>I suppose but there asking for money too so to me this smells like a
>scam. Beware !

Whether it's legit or not, it's always been .org.

Arm

2005-08-13, 11:53 am

Nobody

2005-08-13, 11:53 am

PVC and people like PVC are total XXXXXXX sadistic freaks -the type of
entity that would run ducks down on the road and kill them just for the
thrill of it or sucker punch people for the fun of it.

They are sick and twisted low life junkies that are a plague on the
world and certainly a plague on this NG.

Nobody

2005-08-13, 5:54 pm

It's so clear for me to se that the tower of Babel is crumbling and
virtually nobody can get their communication comprehensible.

FYI - Bob Wallace died alone laying in his home on the floor for
two days before he was found and he was one of the best people that
ever graced this NG.

He worked for Microsoft when they first started out - made millions
from it - hated them for their tactics and quit decades ago and did
nothing but good for so many 1000s of people until his death came.

I have no doubt that he's in another dimensional set of reality loving
it and living it up to the fullest - just as he did in this life
only BETTER!

detox sucks

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

In article <1123954591.081079.75090@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
tadapope@aol.com says...
>
>It's so clear for me to se that the tower of Babel is crumbling and
>virtually nobody can get their communication comprehensible.
>
>FYI - Bob Wallace died alone laying in his home on the floor for
>two days before he was found and he was one of the best people that
>ever graced this NG.
>

Well see, this thread is being crossposted to several newsgroups. For example,
I am posting from alt.hard.drugs where I'm having a wee bit of trouble going
through heroin withdrawal, not alt.shaman.loser.wannabes, where I would be
having a wee bit of trouble getting my chakras tuned up with mushrooms on my
way to the burning man festival.

>He worked for Microsoft when they first started out - made millions
>from it - hated them for their tactics and quit decades ago and did
>nothing but good for so many 1000s of people until his death came.

That's fine. I suppose he thinks he can come begging for money from me after
his death because he believed in the afterworld? I guess he knows better now!

>
>I have no doubt that he's in another dimensional set of reality loving
>it and living it up to the fullest - just as he did in this life
>only BETTER!
>

Well thats because you're stupid. He's not in another dimensional set of
reality, he is dead. He no longer exists. Too bad people waste their lives
hoping and pretending that other "dimensional sets of reality" exist, where
dead people go. Maybe we need to get in touch with John Edward to find out
what Bob thinks of this thread.

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

DarkSheer wrote:
> Disciple wrote:
>
> No, it's .org. But who knows about the other things you've said.
> Haven't really checked it out.

Erowid also owns the .com and .net variants, and redirects them to the
..org.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

detox sucks

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

In article <45adnZHvQsUcl2PfRVn-ow@comcast.com>, rdettl@______dundee.net
says...
>
>projectile vomit chick wrote:
>
>Better yet, tell him to get a job and get off the streets. Erowid has done
>more for me than any bum on the street.
>

Oh ya, when was the last time Erowid told you where to cop in a city you've
just arrived at? You're probably to scared to ask anyone on the street.

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

Nobody wrote:
> PVC you really do live up to your rancid name.

The humorous this is she is too stupid to know Erowid also has a heroin
and cocaine vault.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

Switchblade wrote:
> i recently discovered Erowid like less than a week ago, and so far i
> ve found his info to be very ..Informing, but i m not exactly at that
> point where i would donate, atleast not thru web. if somebody came up
> to me and said hey got a dollar for erowid?" i d be like sure, here.
> but ah i m not gonna risk my credit card number or go thru thepost
> office bullshit to donate money, atleast not yet.
>
> oh and karma isnt exactly a superstition, but thats a whole different
> argument..

Erowid is 100% legit, and I endorse them.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

detox sucks

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

In article <b7lqf15d69jojqai59viljig5eos95u4o9@4ax.com>, eat@theY.cum says...
>
>On 12 Aug 2005 17:44:20 -0700, in alt.drugs.hard, bb_usenet@erowid.org
>hit the crackpipe and declared:
>
>Yeah, god forbid that the trip reports about huffing propane and
>tripping on benadryl would disappear.....

But I got a college paper due next week on tripping on cough syrup! I can't
fail Urban Shaman 101 or I will be busted back down to Starchild. Perhaps I
can tap into the wise energy of the ancient crystal skulls to guide me.

detox sucks

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

In article <1123939275.497713.55770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
switchblades_13@yahoo.com says...
>
>oh and karma isnt exactly a superstition, but thats a whole different
>argument..
>

It is a superstition but I have no need to argue, because I am vibrating at a
higher level. BUZZ BUZZ

detox sucks

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

In article <1123950709.425551.173760@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
tadapope@aol.com says...
>
>PVC and people like PVC are total XXXXXXX sadistic freaks -the type of
>entity that would run ducks down on the road and kill them just for the
>thrill of it or sucker punch people for the fun of it.

Yeah, a person recommending giving money to the homeless really fits that
description.

>
>They are sick and twisted low life junkies that are a plague on the
>world and certainly a plague on this NG.
>

You flakes are a plague on life. I've done my best in the past 2 weeks to
snuff out all the BS that filters in from 'psychedelic' groups into
alt.drugs.hard where a dose of reality is what people need most.

After you're finished bragging about your nutmeg habit and develop a real
habit you don't feel like bragging about, come back and talk to us.

detox sucks

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

In article <xOidnVdXNurKymDfRVn-3w@qcislands.net>, muirhead@haidagwaii.net
says...
>
>Do you also pick up hitch-hikers, offer broke and soggy travellers a meal, a
>toke and a bed, give away venison and salmon to anonymous folks who can't
>(or just didn't get a chance to) get their own during the in-season?
>
>I do.

Oh yeah? Well I've donated my life's work to finding a way to cure stupidity.

Michael

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

"detox sucks" <detox@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:7NwLe.178075$HI.13456@edtnps84...
> In article <xOidnVdXNurKymDfRVn-3w@qcislands.net>, muirhead@haidagwaii.net
> says...
>
>
> Oh yeah? Well I've donated my life's work to finding a way to cure
> stupidity.

If I may say so <giggle>... that's a fool's vocation. :-)

detox sucks

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

In article <42fe8f11$0$44527$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.net>,
rfgdxm@geeks.org says...
>
>Nobody wrote:
>
> The humorous this is she is too stupid to know Erowid also has a heroin
>and cocaine vault.
>

I've been there, the information is rather sparse. They do warn about
rare spongiform encephelitis from heroin but they repeat the canard that it has
anything to do with inhaling the drug by ignoring the widely known 'parkinsons'
episodes in NYC in 1981. That makes it more of a 'reefer madness' type of
scare story than a complete, useful reference.

FreakDog

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

"detox sucks" <detox@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:16wLe.178063$HI.18850@edtnps84...
> In article <1123954591.081079.75090@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> tadapope@aol.com says...
>
> Well see, this thread is being crossposted to several newsgroups. For
example,
> I am posting from alt.hard.drugs where I'm having a wee bit of trouble
going
> through heroin withdrawal

I've read that the best cure for that is to shoot some smack. The sickness
is gone just like that! Go ahead and do it... You know you want to... Do it.

THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE.

- Dog

, not alt.shaman.loser.wannabes, where I would be
> having a wee bit of trouble getting my chakras tuned up with mushrooms on
my
> way to the burning man festival.
>
>
> That's fine. I suppose he thinks he can come begging for money from me
after
> his death because he believed in the afterworld? I guess he knows better
now!
>
>
>
> Well thats because you're stupid. He's not in another dimensional set of
> reality, he is dead. He no longer exists. Too bad people waste their
lives
> hoping and pretending that other "dimensional sets of reality" exist,
where
> dead people go. Maybe we need to get in touch with John Edward to find
out
> what Bob thinks of this thread.
>

Socs*

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

> I don't even know who Bob Wallace is but I absolutely hate rich people who
> 'match' donations. So I hate Bob Wallace. I'm sorry he's dead, though,
> because I wish I had a chance to tell him why his will is stupid. If he's not
> dead, apologies to Bob, but I think I gleaned that much from this thread.. I
> don't know, it's late..

Bob Wallace is unfortunately deceased. I didn't know him personally,
but when I first started experimenting with drugs and wanting to learn
about harm reduction, I found a lot of his comments helpful. And one
thing that I noted was that his posts were always genuine, thoughtful,
and respectful.

-+Anna Keynow+-

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:10:26 GMT, detox@sucks.com (detox sucks) wrote:

>In article <lRcLe.685$UA1.50@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>, ptallstar1@...oo.com
>says...
>
>XXXX the homeless and erowid I can barely support my habit and after I quit
>I'll be getting MY life together and that'll take $$. Don't gimme any BS about
>karma either, I'm not superstitious. If this Wallace guy wants to give away
>his money he should go ahead and do it without trying to guilt mine out of me.
>
>btw, I otherwise have nothing against the homeless or erowid, I've
>learned stuff about drugs from erowid, and the homeless, they're just not
>getting my money, I don't have enough to give away. In fact I resent having to
>make excuses. Of course I chose to post my opinion, so I didn't have to make
>an excuse, so it's nice that neither giving to erowid, the homeless, or posting
>to usenet is compulsory

Bob Wallace is incapable of guilting anyone into anything on account
of him being dead, and all.
-+Anna+-

....................................................
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http://adhpage.tripod.com/faq.htm
....................................................

DopeyOpie8

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

"Nobody" <tadapope@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123950709.425551.173760@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> PVC and people like PVC are total XXXXXXX sadistic freaks -the type of
> entity that would run ducks down on the road and kill them just for the
> thrill of it or sucker punch people for the fun of it.
>
> They are sick and twisted low life junkies that are a plague on the
> world and certainly a plague on this NG.
>

I find PVC to be a unique individual who says what's on her mind, regardless
of political (or any other) correctness.
I could go on and on, but...as Dizzy Gillespi once said,.."Every once in a
awhile, you've gotta blow the spit outta the valves" In my mind, PVC "and
people like her" do a pretty good job of blowing the spit outta ADH's
valves.

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

Joel wrote:
> "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@geeks.org> wrote:
>
>
> Interesting ...

I truly honor the memory of Mr. Wallace. And in honor of his memory I
still keep my sites online. I should add a dedication of them to him, with a
link to a biography. Just yesterday I paid up the registration fees for
dextromethorphan.ws for the outrageous sum of $35 to keep it online until
2007. Because it is the right thing to do.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

dohduhdah@yahoo.com

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

bb_usenet@erowid.org wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
>
> Erowid.org needs your help. An Erowid supporter has stepped forward to
> make the following matching offer. If you become a member of Erowid
> before the end of August (at special $33, $50, $100, or $175 levels),
> you will trigger an equal donation by the matching contributor, in
> effect DOUBLING your support for Erowid!
>
> We have $3,500 in matching funds remaining which we must use by the end
> of August or we lose them. This is enough to match another seventy $50
> donations. If you've been meaning to become a member, or have found the
> site useful or valuable in the past, please help us take advantage of
> this offer by joining now through the following page:
>
> http://www.erowid.org/donations/don..._matching.shtml
>
> Members can receive our print newsletter Erowid Extracts as well as a
> membership gift of their choice (see the url above for details about
> gifts). Feel free to pass this message around as we need to get the
> word out so we don't lose this funding!
>
> Thanks!
> The Erowid Crew
> (donations@erowid.org)

As much as I appreciate erowid (as a relatively balanced online source
for info on psychoactives), I wonder what's the point of these
donations. Could you provide some details as to how this money is spend
and why it is vital to the maintenance and improvement of a site like
erowid?

Webspace and bandwidth could be provided by money generated from
advertisements, maintenance could be done by volunteers and content
could be generated by visitors (similarly to the way wikipedia works).
I'm not necessarily against the idea of relying on voluntary donations
as a means of supporting a website, I'm just wondering if it's the best
way and how it compares to alternatives.

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

Nobody wrote:
> Good for you Robert. My website is also payed for by
> a secret find man that is still living. He gave me total
> rein onwhat I could put there and I have with unlimited
> space to do it. Freedom for free is a blessing!

I probably should seek backers for my sites just in case I suddenly drop
dead. That nearly happened earlier this year.

Currently beyond domain
name fees they only cost $7 a month. And blow off the MP3s they'd cost next
to nothing to host. My sites have a lock on great search engine rankings.
The main issue would be finding a webmaster who would keep them current.
People keep dying from DXM.

--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

dohduhdah@yahoo.com wrote:

> As much as I appreciate erowid (as a relatively balanced online source
> for info on psychoactives), I wonder what's the point of these
> donations. Could you provide some details as to how this money is
> spend and why it is vital to the maintenance and improvement of a
> site like erowid?
>
> Webspace and bandwidth could be provided by money generated from
> advertisements, maintenance could be done by volunteers and content
> could be generated by visitors (similarly to the way wikipedia works).
> I'm not necessarily against the idea of relying on voluntary donations
> as a means of supporting a website, I'm just wondering if it's the
> best way and how it compares to alternatives.

What business would pay for ads on a recreational drug site? None, unless
they want controversy. Bandwidth and server space costs. SOMEONE has to pay
the bills. Not to mention domain name fees. If anyone thinks my sites are
valuable and want to pay the domain name fees for the next 10 years, please
do.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

dohduhdah@yahoo.com

2005-08-13, 10:52 pm

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski wrote:
> dohduhdah@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> What business would pay for ads on a recreational drug site? None, unless

I think businesses are primarily interested in getting their ads in a
place that is frequented by many people. Erowid isn't really a site
about recreational drug use per se either. It's about psychoactives and
their effects on peoples brain (as well as their effect on human
culture in general). That many people tend to use drugs recreationally
has more to do with our culture than inherent properties of those
substances.

> they want controversy. Bandwidth and server space costs. SOMEONE has to pay
> the bills. Not to mention domain name fees. If anyone thinks my sites are
> valuable and want to pay the domain name fees for the next 10 years, please
> do.
> --
> http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
> For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

Somehow I imagine the ideal website to be selfsupporting instead of
relying on outside sources for income. But perhaps you're right and a
minimal amount of money is required to keep things operating.

bb_usenet@erowid.org

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

> As much as I appreciate erowid (as a relatively balanced online source
> for info on psychoactives), I wonder what's the point of these donations.
> Could you provide some details as to how this money is spend and
> why it is vital to the maintenance and improvement of a site like erowid?

Certainly. Erowid has a relatively moderate budget, but there are a
number of costs associated with running the site. There are currently
2.5 full time employees and we really need two more. The two of us who
are currently full-time (earth and I) work about 80 hours a week each.

There are also hardware and software requirements, reference and
research materials, office supplies, etc. For example, in the next
month
or so we're planning to upgrade the main Erowid server. It's going to
cost approximately $8,000. Most of that is going to be covered by an
Erowid supporter...but it requires someone to step forward with a
donation to pay for it.

> Webspace and bandwidth could be provided by money generated from
> advertisements

Webspace and bandwidth for the server are also donated by an Erowid
supporter. We continue to choose not to accept advertisements
for a variety of reasons. Advertisements come with conflicts of
interest, especially if advertisements were accepted from the main
companies that would likely want to advertise on Erowid (herbal
shops, ethnobotanical vendors, research chemical type companies,
perhaps pharmaceutical companies, etc)

There's also another big issue around advertisements. If we were
to serve ads on most pages, that would mean that traffic to those
pages would be tracked by an outside company (such as google),
with records kept of what IPs visited what pages, etc. We have
strong ideas about privacy issues related to Erowid visitors.

> maintenance could be done by volunteers and content could
> be generated by visitors (similarly to the way wikipedia works).

Erowid has hundreds of volunteers, but that doesn't mean that
no money is needed. You'll notice that Wikipedia requests
donations as well. They almost certainly have a larger budget than
Erowid does...supported through donations. I'd be interested
to know what their budget is...I couldn't find any info on it.

> I'm not necessarily against the idea of relying on voluntary donations
> as a means of supporting a website, I'm just wondering if it's the best
> way and how it compares to alternatives.

We've thought about this issue for the past seven years and have
continued to decide that it's the best method (though certainly
not the easiest). If it ever becomes the case that there isn't
enough public support to bring in enough donations to keep the
project going...then perhaps it's time for the project to end.

So far that hasn't been the case. But in order to get donations,
we need to let people know that we need them, which is why
I posted the original note.

Does that help answer your questions?

peace,
Fire

detox sucks

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

In article <v9xLe.354$xl.136@trndny02>, freak@dog.syd says...
>
>
>"detox sucks" <detox@sucks.com> wrote in message
>news:16wLe.178063$HI.18850@edtnps84...
>example,
>going
>
>
>
>I've read that the best cure for that is to shoot some smack. The sickness
>is gone just like that! Go ahead and do it... You know you want to... Do it.
>
>THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE.
>
>

clonidine&klonopin seem to work pretty well for me, granted not entirely,
yet. But I think they will this week.

detox sucks

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

In article <509tf1hn2n87krp5fqt5qs2q9cekla3cmh@4ax.com>,
anna_keynow@realbox.com says...
>
>Bob Wallace is incapable of guilting anyone into anything on account
>of him being dead, and all.
>

He set up his plan to manipulate those who are living before he died. Now he
guilts me from beyond the grave. SPOOOOOOKY.

detox sucks

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

In article <1123984426.941549.229820@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
socrates9899@yahoo.com says...
>
not[vbcol=seagreen]
I[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>Bob Wallace is unfortunately deceased. I didn't know him personally,
>but when I first started experimenting with drugs and wanting to learn
>about harm reduction, I found a lot of his comments helpful. And one
>thing that I noted was that his posts were always genuine, thoughtful,
>and respectful.
>

And the great thing is they're all logged on Google (assuming he was posting to
newsgroups) and his wisdom will be accessible to all forever. So no need for
donations to keep the entirety of Bob's usenet wisdom around, anyway.

detox sucks

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

In article <mOGdnaIAcIBhBGPfRVn-tw@qcislands.net>, muirhead@haidagwaii.net
says...
>
>
>"detox sucks" <detox@sucks.com> wrote in message
>news:7NwLe.178075$HI.13456@edtnps84...
>
>If I may say so <giggle>... that's a fool's vocation. :-)
>
>

I was talking about my stupidity, not yours.

detox sucks

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

In article <1123987007.849740.317240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
dohduhdah@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>As much as I appreciate erowid (as a relatively balanced online source
>for info on psychoactives), I wonder what's the point of these
>donations. Could you provide some details as to how this money is spend
>and why it is vital to the maintenance and improvement of a site like
>erowid?
>

It's vital because a dead guy says so. Get it? vital, dead guy.. ahhahahh
hohohoho

detox sucks

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

In article <42feb18d$0$59575$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.net>,
rfgdxm@geeks.org says...
>
>dohduhdah@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> What business would pay for ads on a recreational drug site?

I really doubt google ads would mind. Could always go for porn popups. But I
think they want it to look as non-crass as possible.

detox sucks

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

In article <1123988842.408539.140350@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
dohduhdah@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>Somehow I imagine the ideal website to be selfsupporting instead of
>relying on outside sources for income. But perhaps you're right and a
>minimal amount of money is required to keep things operating.
>

well they do sell books and memberships (membership comes with printed
newsletter). Who cares, they want a big war chest. They'll probably donate to
Narc Lamery's defense or something

detox sucks

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

In article <1124002321.254502.317340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
bb_usenet@erowid.org says...
>
>
>There are also hardware and software requirements, reference and
>research materials, office supplies, etc. For example, in the next
>month
>or so we're planning to upgrade the main Erowid server. It's going to
>cost approximately $8,000. Most of that is going to be covered by an
>Erowid supporter...but it requires someone to step forward with a
>donation to pay for it.

$8000 server?! That thing will be worth $500 five years from now. Five years
ago $8000 servers seemed to run giant websites just fine. So why not just buy
a five year old server that was $8000 but is now $500? Oh you want to play
around with the latest java extensions or whatever. You probably want a
challenging and dynamic work environment, don't you! Not just another computer
janitor...

>Erowid has hundreds of volunteers, but that doesn't mean that
>no money is needed. You'll notice that Wikipedia requests
>donations as well. They almost certainly have a larger budget than
>Erowid does...supported through donations. I'd be interested
>to know what their budget is...I couldn't find any info on it.

I'm pretty sure they posted it during a fundraiser a while back. I can't find
it with a quick look, either, though. You do realize Wikipedia is a lot bigger
and a lot better, though, right?

>So far that hasn't been the case. But in order to get donations,
>we need to let people know that we need them, which is why
>I posted the original note.
>
>Does that help answer your questions?
>
>

Nothing wrong with begging, as far as I'm concerned. I just think Wallace
should've handed you massive check without the matching donations stipulation.

bb_usenet@erowid.org

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

>You do realize Wikipedia is a lot bigger and a lot better, though, right?

Wikipedia is bigger, yes. But they have a lot less info about
psychoactives than Erowid. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. For people
who want encyclopedia level info, Wikipedia is great. But an
encyclopedia doesn't replace a library. They both have their places
and serve somewhat different purposes.

> I just think Wallace should've handed you massive check without the matching
> donations stipulation.

Bob Wallace has nothing to do with the matching donation. He died in
2002. He helped support Erowid for a number of years before his death
but never backed a matching offer. I'm not sure where the confusion
came in here.

Fire

detox sucks

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

In article <1124014030.155179.282860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
bb_usenet@erowid.org says...
>
>
>Wikipedia is bigger, yes. But they have a lot less info about
>psychoactives than Erowid. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. For people
>who want encyclopedia level info, Wikipedia is great. But an
>encyclopedia doesn't replace a library. They both have their places
>and serve somewhat different purposes.
>

Yeah I know, but Wikipedia is better. All you've got is psychoactives and your
archive is tainted with the flakey religious nutter side of the psychedelic
culture, not that you could avoid this being as it is a major component of
psychedelic culture. Wikipedia has much less on psychoactives (has links to
erowid on all psychedelics pages anyway), but also attempts to cover everything
else in the universe. The contributors, by and large, are of a higher calibre
than the contributors of various 'experiences' to Erowid. And as far as
reading about people's experiences go, the alt.drugs group archives are far
better.

>
>Bob Wallace has nothing to do with the matching donation. He died in
>2002. He helped support Erowid for a number of years before his death
>but never backed a matching offer. I'm not sure where the confusion
>came in here.
>

I guess somebody assumed Bob Wallace was the matching donator. My apologies to
Bob.

-+Anna Keynow+-

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:13:30 GMT, detox@sucks.com (detox sucks) wrote:

>In article <509tf1hn2n87krp5fqt5qs2q9cekla3cmh@4ax.com>,
>anna_keynow@realbox.com says...
>
>He set up his plan to manipulate those who are living before he died. Now he
>guilts me from beyond the grave. SPOOOOOOKY.

Ooohh... seriously SPOOOOOOKY how one's brain can see connections
where they don't exist. Or, that could just be the marijuana one is
smoking, I suppose. Or, it could just be one's need for a cheap shot
at a sincere request for support of one of the better drug information
websites.
-+Anna+-

....................................................
-= Get your Faqs straight =-
http://adhpage.tripod.com/faq.htm
....................................................

Mr. Random

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

-+Anna Keynow+- wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:10:26 GMT, detox@sucks.com (detox sucks) wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Bob Wallace is incapable of guilting anyone into anything on account
> of him being dead, and all.
> -+Anna+-
>
> ....................................................
> -= Get your Faqs straight =-
> http://adhpage.tripod.com/faq.htm
> ....................................................

Greetings Anna

Guilt is a self-created emotion. Nobody makes you feel it but *yourself* IMO.

Mr. Random

detox sucks

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

In article <o19uf1tsuq5s2il2oajh5gsi967t73naqp@4ax.com>,
anna_keynow@realbox.com says...
>
>On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:13:30 GMT, detox@sucks.com (detox sucks) wrote:
>
>
>Ooohh... seriously SPOOOOOOKY how one's brain can see connections
>where they don't exist.

I'm not the one who claimed it was Wallace. Was that YOU?

Or, that could just be the marijuana one is
>smoking, I suppose. Or, it could just be one's need for a cheap shot
>at a sincere request for support of one of the better drug information
>websites.
> -+Anna+-
>
> ....................................................
> -= Get your Faqs straight =-
> http://adhpage.tripod.com/faq.htm
> ....................................................

detox sucks

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

In article <rKFLe.84747$oJ.53819@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, blah@blah.com
says...
>
>
> Guilt is a self-created emotion. Nobody makes you feel it but *yourself*
IMO.
>
>

yeah thats why it's lame when someone tries to make you feel it which is what
someone who offers to match donations to a cause I might support is doing, IMO

-+Anna Keynow+-

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:19:57 GMT, detox@sucks.com (detox sucks) wrote:

>In article <o19uf1tsuq5s2il2oajh5gsi967t73naqp@4ax.com>,
>anna_keynow@realbox.com says...
>
>I'm not the one who claimed it was Wallace. Was that YOU?
>
No, detox but, that's your second attempt at a cheap shot at my
expense and you damned well know it.
Raise your game.
-+Anna+-
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Or, that could just be the marijuana one is

....................................................
-= Get your Faqs straight =-
http://adhpage.tripod.com/faq.htm
....................................................

detox sucks

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

In article <cfauf11f4drbvjml3u953f8au0pam1ovfe@4ax.com>,
anna_keynow@realbox.com says...
>
>On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:19:57 GMT, detox@sucks.com (detox sucks) wrote:
>
he[vbcol=seagreen]
>No, detox but, that's your second attempt at a cheap shot at my
>expense and you damned well know it.
>Raise your game.

Actually you've been the one trolling me. I don't think I have anything to say
to you. You're obviously not sophisticated enough to participate in any of the
interesting discussions I am participating in, and I'm not prepared to shower
you with the attention you think you deserve. So I don't think I'll be playing
your game anymore, sorry. I think it probably kills the wrong braincells.

-+Anna Keynow+-

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:32:44 GMT, detox@sucks.com (detox sucks) wrote:

>In article <cfauf11f4drbvjml3u953f8au0pam1ovfe@4ax.com>,
>anna_keynow@realbox.com says...
>he
>
>Actually you've been the one trolling me. I don't think I have anything to say
>to you. You're obviously not sophisticated enough to participate in any of the
>interesting discussions I am participating in, and I'm not prepared to shower
>you with the attention you think you deserve. So I don't think I'll be playing
>your game anymore, sorry. I think it probably kills the wrong braincells.
>
which is why you find the need to reply. And then, reply again, as
the next post I find will surely confirm.
-+Anna+-

....................................................
-= Get your Faqs straight =-
http://adhpage.tripod.com/faq.htm
....................................................

detox sucks

2005-08-14, 8:53 am

In article <hhbuf1ltj094bo9o66dcv3d495sbvk95s6@4ax.com>,
anna_keynow@realbox.com says...
>
>On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:32:44 GMT, detox@sucks.com (detox sucks) wrote:
>
Now[vbcol=seagreen]
say[vbcol=seagreen]
the[vbcol=seagreen]
playing[vbcol=seagreen]
>which is why you find the need to reply. And then, reply again, as
>the next post I find will surely confirm.
>

Yes well that's the cycle trolls try to generate so of course you would be able
to predict that I would reply to your useless post because you realize I have
nothing better to do other than wait for my dope to run out. I'm glad you're
enjoying the attention.

name

2005-08-14, 11:54 am

bb_usenet@erowid.org wrote:
>
> Certainly. Erowid has a relatively moderate budget, but there are a
> number of costs associated with running the site. There are currently
> 2.5 full time employees and we really need two more. The two of us who
> are currently full-time (earth and I) work about 80 hours a week each.
>
>
> There are also hardware and software requirements, reference and
> research materials, office supplies, etc. For example, in the next
> month
> or so we're planning to upgrade the main Erowid server. It's going to
> cost approximately $8,000. Most of that is going to be covered by an
> Erowid supporter...but it requires someone to step forward with a
> donation to pay for it.
>
>
> Webspace and bandwidth for the server are also donated by an Erowid
> supporter. We continue to choose not to accept advertisements
> for a variety of reasons. Advertisements come with conflicts of
> interest, especially if advertisements were accepted from the main
> companies that would likely want to advertise on Erowid (herbal
> shops, ethnobotanical vendors, research chemical type companies,
> perhaps pharmaceutical companies, etc)

How is this necessarily so? If you accept advertisements, that could
mean you
also write favorably in your articles about the company that
advertises, but you can also just accept the advertisements and remain
completely objective and unbiased.
If I read a newspaper and I see advertisements I'm not assuming the
newspaper somehow supports the company that places the advertisements
and if I get that impresssion from articles I read in the paper, I
might consider finding another newspaper because of a lack of
objectivity. You can provide a clear disclaimer that states anyone is
free to advertise on your pages and you don't condone or support
anything being advertised on the pages in any way.

>
> There's also another big issue around advertisements. If we were
> to serve ads on most pages, that would mean that traffic to those
> pages would be tracked by an outside company (such as google),
> with records kept of what IPs visited what pages, etc. We have
> strong ideas about privacy issues related to Erowid visitors.

I assume records are also kept of what IPs visit various newsgroups
related
to psychoactives as well and I wonder if that has ever got anyone into
trouble. But given the fascistic tendencies of the US government I do
understand these concerns.

>
>
> Erowid has hundreds of volunteers, but that doesn't mean that
> no money is needed. You'll notice that Wikipedia requests
> donations as well. They almost certainly have a larger budget than
> Erowid does...supported through donations. I'd be interested
> to know what their budget is...I couldn't find any info on it.
>
>
> We've thought about this issue for the past seven years and have
> continued to decide that it's the best method (though certainly
> not the easiest). If it ever becomes the case that there isn't
> enough public support to bring in enough donations to keep the
> project going...then perhaps it's time for the project to end.

Hopefully some day people can rely on their government to provide them
with objective and unbiased info on psychoactives.

>
> So far that hasn't been the case. But in order to get donations,
> we need to let people know that we need them, which is why
> I posted the original note.
>
> Does that help answer your questions?

To a large degree, yes. Thanks.

>
> peace,
> Fire

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski

2005-08-14, 11:54 am

name wrote:

> Hopefully some day people can rely on their government to provide them
> with objective and unbiased info on psychoactives.

Dream on. The US government currently has on the web a page blaming DXM
websites for popularizing abuse of the drug.

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q...le+Search&meta=

Check the #1 site listed. Notice all the news reports about DXM deaths.
The irony is that the US government propagandists don't have a website that
documents DXM deaths. For that people have to find my websites. I'm sure if
the government could have its way, they'd take my sites off the Internet.
(Along with Erowid, etc.) Likely the only reason my sites are still up is if
the government actually did this, I could get free legal counsel from Big
Money news organizations defending me because if they got away with it, it
would set a bad precedent in First Amendment law. If they could do it to my
sites, they also could do it to the New York Times.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic drug DXM, including dangers.

Snows of Yesteryear

2005-08-14, 5:54 pm

DopeyOpie8
Newsgroups: alt.drugs.psychedelics, rec.drugs.psychedelic,
alt.drugs.hard, alt.drugs.pot, alt.drugs.dmt
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:08:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Erowid Needs Your Help
"Nobody" <tadap...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:1123950709.425551.173760@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> PVC and people like PVC are total XXXXXXX sadistic freaks -the type of
> entity that would run ducks down on the road and kill them just for the
> thrill of it or sucker punch people for the fun of it.

> They are sick and twisted low life junkies that are a plague on the
> world and certainly a plague on this NG.

I find PVC to be a unique individual who says what's on her mind,
regardless of political (or any other) correctness.
I could go on and on, but...as Dizzy Gillespi once said,.."Every once
in a awhile, you've gotta blow the spit outta the valves" In my mind,
PVC "and people like her" do a pretty good job of blowing the spit
outta ADH's valves. ____________________________________

Well said!

PTA*

2005-08-14, 5:54 pm

"detox sucks" <detox@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:SqlLe.175869$9A2.57017@edtnps89...
> In article <lRcLe.685$UA1.50@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
> ptallstar1@...oo.com
> says...
>
> XXXX the homeless and erowid I can barely support my habit and
> after I quit
> I'll be getting MY life together and that'll take $$. Don't
> gimme any BS about
> karma either, I'm not superstitious. If this Wallace guy wants
> to give away
> his money he should go ahead and do it without trying to guilt
> mine out of me.
>
> btw, I otherwise have nothing against the homeless or erowid,
> I've
> learned stuff about drugs from erowid, and the homeless,
> they're just not
> getting my money, I don't have enough to give away. In fact I
> resent having to
> make excuses. Of course I chose to post my opinion, so I
> didn't have to make
> an excuse, so it's nice that neither giving to erowid, the
> homeless, or posting
> to usenet is compulsory
>

To be clear I am not telling anyone how to spend their money. I
just wanted to point out that Erowid is valuable resource. No
need to make excuses of course you admitted that.

I hope you are doing well with your detox I understand it sucks.

-PTA*

PTA*

2005-08-14, 5:54 pm

"-+Anna Keynow+-" <anna_keynow@realbox.com> wrote in message
news:o19uf1tsuq5s2il2oajh5gsi967t73naqp@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:13:30 GMT, detox@sucks.com (detox sucks)
> wrote:
>
>
> Ooohh... seriously SPOOOOOOKY how one's brain can see
> connections
> where they don't exist. Or, that could just be the marijuana
> one is
> smoking, I suppose. Or, it could just be one's need for a
> cheap shot
> at a sincere request for support of one of the better drug
> information
> websites.
> -+Anna+-
>

I think he was attempting to be be funny not cutting. Lets not
forget our tags

<humor> and <sarcasm> to avoid confusion ;p

-PTA*

projectile vomit chick

2005-08-15, 9:03 am

On 12 Aug 2005 23:51:26 -0700, in alt.drugs.hard, "Socs*"
<socrates9899@yahoo.com> hit the crackpipe and declared:
>
>Only problem is, by a widely recognized transitive law, attacking
>Erowid is like attacking Bob Wallace is like attacking cute little
>kittens...it can be done, but it shouldn't be done.

But I did it. Boo hoo.
--
we're all stars now, in the dope show...

Socs*

2005-08-15, 9:03 am

Shame on you.

ann hedonia

2005-08-15, 9:03 am

"Ryan" <drdisaster@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:p7SdnXPl_u2WhWPfRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>
> "Michael" <muirhead@haidagwaii.net> wrote in message
> news:xOidnVdXNurKymDfRVn-3w@qcislands.net...
meal,[vbcol=seagreen]
in-season?[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>
> I usually just kill them and throw them out on the freeway.
>
> -Ryan
> (just kidding..)
>
>
You throw salmon out on the freeway?

- Ann H.
Upstream, CT

Shaun aRe

2005-08-16, 8:56 am

"rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski" <rfgdxm@geeks.org> wrote in message
news:42fe8f88$0$46765$892e7fe2@authen.puce.readfreenews.net...
> Switchblade wrote:
>
> Erowid is 100% legit, and I endorse them.

Indeed they are most definitely legitimate.

Shaun aRe

Shaun aRe

2005-08-16, 8:56 am

"detox sucks" <detox@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:bjwLe.178069$HI.176644@edtnps84...
> In article <1123939275.497713.55770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> switchblades_13@yahoo.com says...
>
> It is a superstition but I have no need to argue, because I am vibrating
at a
> higher level. BUZZ BUZZ

That'll be the w/d tremors.

Shaun aRe

Shaun aRe

2005-08-16, 8:56 am

"detox sucks" <detox@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:gmwLe.178070$HI.56871@edtnps84...
> In article <1123950709.425551.173760@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

> You flakes are a plague on life. I've done my best in the past 2 weeks to
> snuff out all the BS that filters in from 'psychedelic' groups into
> alt.drugs.hard where a dose of reality is what people need most.

And you're getting yours now alright, huh?

> After you're finished bragging about your nutmeg habit and develop a real
> habit you don't feel like bragging about, come back and talk to us.

Right, because that's what people should do, go get a *real* habit, one that
messes with life like it has yours. Some fairly twisted cache you have
attached to XXXXing up, isn't it?

Shaun aRe

detox sucks

2005-08-17, 8:55 am

In article <4301c418$0$21511$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk says...
>
>
>"detox sucks" <detox@sucks.com> wrote in message
>news:gmwLe.178070$HI.56871@edtnps84...
>
>
>And you're getting yours now alright, huh?
>

I've been getting mine for years by visiting skeptic and critical thinking
resources.

>
>Right, because that's what people should do, go get a *real* habit, one that
>messes with life like it has yours. Some fairly twisted cache you have
>attached to XXXXing up, isn't it?
>
>

Ideally, morons trying to expand their consciousness with psychedelics should
stop being stupid, smoke some pot, and get on with life. Failing that, they
might as well explore their stupidity as quickly as possible by moving onto
hard drugs, that way they will know for certain how stupid they are, and clean
up, hopefully before their hair turns grey and they wander around following
"The Gathering" hoping to share a tent with an anorexic member of the opposite
sex. That's just my opinion, as twisted as it may or may not be. Or they can
join the Garbage Eaters cult. Who cares? Their lives are stupid. If they
were in chronic pain they'd have more pressing matters to deal with than
looking for gods, spirits, angels, or machine elves that don't exist.

Shaun aRe

2005-08-17, 11:54 am

"detox sucks" <detox@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:8mEMe.197388$tt5.46727@edtnps90...
> In article <4301c418$0$21511$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
> shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk says...
to[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I've been getting mine for years by visiting skeptic and critical thinking
> resources.

Then WTF makes you think that there's a 'we' that are all the same, and all
need a dose of reality? Your resources are highly flawed, or your
interpretation of their information and/or thinking, is.

real[vbcol=seagreen]
that[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Ideally, morons trying to expand their consciousness with psychedelics
should
> stop being stupid, smoke some pot, and get on with life.

What about the non-morons wishing to do the same?

> Failing that, they
> might as well explore their stupidity as quickly as possible by moving
onto
> hard drugs, that way they will know for certain how stupid they are, and
clean
> up, hopefully before their hair turns grey and they wander around
following
> "The Gathering" hoping to share a tent with an anorexic member of the
opposite
> sex. That's just my opinion, as twisted as it may or may not be. Or they
can
> join the Garbage Eaters cult. Who cares? Their lives are stupid. If the
y
> were in chronic pain they'd have more pressing matters to deal with than
> looking for gods, spirits, angels, or machine elves that don't exist.

You may get off the dope/whatever it is, but it doesn't seem likely you'll
ever recover from it.

Shame.

Shaun aRe

Hendrik Bohm

2005-08-17, 6:00 pm

Hi ,

must it be to post in several groups?

alt.drugs.psychedelics,rec.drugs.psychedelic,alt.drugs.hard,alt.drugs.pot,alt.drugs.dmt

For me it is boring, cause I´m interested in only one group.

TNX

Mit besten Grüssen
* Hendrik Bohm *

detox sucks

2005-08-17, 6:00 pm

In article <430359a7$0$16211$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk says...
>
>
>Then WTF makes you think that there's a 'we' that are all the same, and all
>need a dose of reality? Your resources are highly flawed, or your
>interpretation of their information and/or thinking, is.

If it doesn't apply to you, ignore it. Since it's got your undies in a bunch
I'd venture to guess I struck a nerve.

>should
>
>What about the non-morons wishing to do the same?

The quest of trying to expand consciousness with psychedelics is the moronic
part which turns people who otherwise could be non-morons into morons. Taking
psychedelics as mood-altering substances, or for kicks, however, is not
necessarily moronic. But taking them to visit 'machine elves' or other
supernatural creatures one believes exists, is moronic. It's moronic when
people do it without drugs, so why would it not be moronic when they do it with
drugs? I'm not saying it's any MORE moronic when they do it with drugs than
when they do it without drugs. I'm saying superstitious people are idiots,
whether they take drugs or not. Erowid supports, and I'd go as far as to
say is primarily based on, the taking of drugs for superstitious reasons.

>You may get off the dope/whatever it is, but it doesn't seem likely you'll
>ever recover from it.
>
>Shame.
>

It's unlikely I'll recover from life, but I'm apparently you need to pretend to
give a shit in order to pay homage to the religion of humanism.

detox sucks

2005-08-17, 6:00 pm

In article <3mhai5F176kijU1@individual.net>, HBohm@gmx.de says...
>
>Hi ,
>
>must it be to post in several groups?
>
>alt.drugs.psychedelics,rec.drugs.psychedelic,alt.drugs.hard,alt.drugs.pot,alt.
drugs.dmt
>
>For me it is boring, cause I´m interested in only one group.
>
>TNX
>
>
>Mit besten Grüssen
> * Hendrik Bohm *

Erowid can beg wherever they want, and begging on the drug-related newsgroups
makes a whole lot of sense, doesn't it? Who cares if you're bored. Go play
jacks or hopscotch.

liteage1

2005-08-17, 6:00 pm

"detox sucks" <detox@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:1eNMe.200185$tt5.184762@edtnps90...
> In article <430359a7$0$16211$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
> shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk says...
>
> If it doesn't apply to you, ignore it. Since it's got your undies in a
> bunch
> I'd venture to guess I struck a nerve.
>
>
>
>
> The quest of trying to expand consciousness with psychedelics is the
> moronic
> part which turns people who otherwise could be non-morons into morons.
> Taking
> psychedelics as mood-altering substances, or for kicks, however, is not
> necessarily moronic. But taking them to visit 'machine elves' or other
> supernatural creatures one believes exists, is moronic. It's moronic when
> people do it without drugs, so why would it not be moronic when they do it
> with
> drugs? I'm not saying it's any MORE moronic when they do it with drugs
> than
> when they do it without drugs. I'm saying superstitious people are
> idiots,
> whether they take drugs or not. Erowid supports, and I'd go as far as to
> say is primarily based on, the taking of drugs for superstitious reasons.
>
>
>
> It's unlikely I'll recover from life, but I'm apparently you need to
> pretend to
> give a shit in order to pay homage to the religion of humanism.
>
Hey now, I like my elf friends, be kind! There in some ways better company
then some of my strait friends are.
cheers.

name

2005-08-17, 10:55 pm

detox sucks wrote:
> In article <430359a7$0$16211$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net>,
> shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk says...
>
> If it doesn't apply to you, ignore it. Since it's got your undies in a bunch
> I'd venture to guess I struck a nerve.
>
>
>
>
> The quest of trying to expand consciousness with psychedelics is the moronic
> part which turns people who otherwise could be non-morons into morons. Taking
> psychedelics as mood-altering substances, or for kicks, however, is not
> necessarily moronic. But taking them to visit 'machine elves' or other
> supernatural creatures one believes exists, is moronic. It's moronic when
> people do it without drugs, so why would it not be moronic when they do it with
> drugs? I'm not saying it's any MORE moronic when they do it with drugs than
> when they do it without drugs. I'm saying superstitious people are idiots,
> whether they take drugs or not. Erowid supports, and I'd go as far as to
> say is primarily based on, the taking of drugs for superstitious reasons.

I think you need to distinguish between people who are using
psychedelics to expand their mind and people who are using psychedelics
for religious/spiritual purposes (although those two are not
necessarily mutually exclusive). Personally I think people who take
drugs for kicks are taking a lot of risk because they are likely to end
up getting hooked on drugs by becoming dependent on them to experience
pleasure in life. If you have a hedonistic attitude, you can go about
taking drugs too carelessly, merely being interested in the next high
and ignoring responsibilities in life. From a hedonistic perspective,
the drugs that are most interesting are the ones that make you feel
very good (like heroin, crack, cocaine, speed and opium). If you take
drugs like psychedelics deliberately to expand your mind however, that
doesn't necessarily entail you believe in spiritual entities like elfes
or that you can contact spiritual entities during the trip, although I
agree many people who take psychedelics do so with the shamanic
mind-set of contacting spiritual entities or going on a spiritual
journey (their mind/spirit visiting alternate locations in time and
space while their body remains stationary).
If you are an artist for instance, you can use psychedelics
deliberately to stimulate and enhance your imagination, but that
doesn't necessarily imply that you fail to distinguish between reality
and fantasy. You might just as well use it to delve into your
unconscious by inducing visionary dreamlike states of mind. Drugs can
be used for all sorts of purposes but they are inherently interesting
for people who enjoy thinking about the way their brain works because
drugs interfere with normal operation in various ways.
Personally I very much believe in the capacity of psychedelics to
enhance your mental functioning in various ways (like enhancing your
appreciation of art or music), but I'm skeptical about the possibility
that psychedelics allow one to contact spirits, god, aliens, elfes or
whatever.
I think people who claim to do so merely project their fantasies on
reality.
Despite of that, I still believe that psychedelics can be used
spiritually in a meaningful way by allowing you to contact the
spiritual side of life and realize the interconnectedness of everything
on a sort of metaphysical/holistic level.
But then again, perhaps that's just bullshit and autosuggestion. :-)
I really don't know, but it does feel that way sometimes even though I
can't fully rationalize it ultimately.

>
>
>
> It's unlikely I'll recover from life, but I'm apparently you need to pretend to
> give a shit in order to pay homage to the religion of humanism.

detox sucks

2005-08-18, 8:57 am

In article <1124321970.775362.271810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
dohduhdah@yahoo.com says...
>
>If you are an artist for instance, you can use psychedelics
>deliberately to stimulate and enhance your imagination,

opiates enhance the imagination as much as the most powerful psychedelic and
it's always pleasant. William Blake's Kubla Khan was simply a transcription of
an opium daydream. How many classic pieces of literature were developed under
the influence of psychedelics?

I think you're kidding yourself if you think that people who take psychedelics
aren't doing it to get a buzz just like people who take any other drug that
gives a buzz. What kind of 'mind expansion' happens with psychedelics or
opiates? None. People do not score higher on cognitive tests while under the
influence or after having taken these drugs. People who want to 'expand their
mind' take the alzheimers drugs aka nootropics, as in the standard
Piracetam/Hydergine cocktail. Studies have shown that those drugs DO offer
some accelleration of cognition, with lasting effects after the drugs have worn
off. Speed and any other stimulant can improve cognition too, temporarily.
But stuff like shrooms, LSD, DMT, won't be helping you cram for your exams.

People take less addictive drugs for a buzz because they are afraid of more
addictive drugs. That's unfortunate, because psychedelics aren't as dependable
to be pleasurable. That's why I recommended to those people sticking to pot.
It will give a dependable buzz and you can still pretend you're like some kind
of mind-expanding spiritual rasta or whatever.

>Personally I very much believe in the capacity of psychedelics to
>enhance your mental functioning in various ways (like enhancing your
>appreciation of art or music),

More often it seems to cause people to lose their ability to distinguish
between music and cacophony. This is why the good drug bands had to have a few
members who were straight to actually keep things musical. If it weren't for
the rest of the Beach Boys, Pet Sounds would've been the sounds of pets played
backwards, rather than music, with the sounds of pets blayed backwards mixed in
really low. Don't get me wrong, after taking copious amounts of LSD in my day,
I still prefer some cacophony in my music. But most people don't, since most
people don't take psychedelics. Why do you think the pop charts usually
reflect the mainstream without the kind of acid-soaked freak-outs I prefer to
listen to?

>Despite of that, I still believe that psychedelics can be used
>spiritually in a meaningful way by allowing you to contact the
>spiritual side of life and realize the interconnectedness of everything
>on a sort of metaphysical/holistic level.

Yeah, or so the Polyphonic Spree would have you believe...

>But then again, perhaps that's just bullshit and autosuggestion. :-)
>I really don't know, but it does feel that way sometimes even though I
>can't fully rationalize it ultimately.

Freud went on all about it, calling it the 'oceanic' feeling. It's religious
esctacy. The drug called 'esctacy' makes it happen instantaneously, no shaking
or speaking in tongues or meditative-asphyxiation required (the old buddhists
apparently used to stretch their tongues so they could gag on them and deplete
themselves of oxygen during meditation in order to catch a buzz). The oceanic
feeling usually only happens to people once in life. If it happens while on
drugs, they'll probably seek it through drugs for the rest of their lives. If
it happens during a religious ritual, they'll probably seek that elusive buzz
through religion for the rest of their lives. If it happens while they're on
drugs being religious, then they'll have an even freakier quest in life. If it
happens on drugs while having a sexual religious ritual then they'll probably
be the Manson Family.

Michael

2005-08-18, 8:57 am

detox sucks wrote:

> In article <1124321970.775362.271810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> dohduhdah@yahoo.com says...
>
> opiates enhance the imagination as much as the most powerful
> psychedelic and it's always pleasant.

Bullshit.

I grow and preserve my own opium, and while it's a *great* major pain
reliever (does nothing noticable for arthritis pain, BTW) it offers a
physically unpleasant experience while it's about it... usually gives me
headaches, always constipates me, and often makes me vomit.

> William Blake's Kubla Khan was
> simply a transcription of an opium daydream. How many classic pieces
> of literature were developed under the influence of psychedelics?
>
> I think you're kidding yourself if you think that people who take
> psychedelics aren't doing it to get a buzz just like people who take
> any other drug that gives a buzz. What kind of 'mind expansion'
> happens with psychedelics or opiates? None. People do not score
> higher on cognitive tests while under the influence or after having
> taken these drugs. People who want to 'expand their mind' take the
> alzheimers drugs aka nootropics, as in the standard
> Piracetam/Hydergine cocktail. Studies have shown that those drugs DO
> offer some accelleration of cognition, with lasting effects after the
> drugs have worn off. Speed and any other stimulant can improve
> cognition too, temporarily. But stuff like shrooms, LSD, DMT, won't
> be helping you cram for your exams.
>
> People take less addictive drugs for a buzz because they are afraid
> of more addictive drugs. That's unfortunate, because psychedelics
> aren't as dependable to be pleasurable. That's why I recommended to
> those people sticking to pot. It will give a dependable buzz and you
> can still pretend you're like some kind of mind-expanding spiritual
> rasta or whatever.
>
>
>
> More often it seems to cause people to lose their ability to
> distinguish between music and cacophony. This is why the good drug
> bands had to have a few members who were straight to actually keep
> things musical. If it weren't for the rest of the Beach Boys, Pet
> Sounds would've been the sounds of pets played backwards, rather than
> music, with the sounds of pets blayed backwards mixed in really low.
> Don't get me wrong, after taking copious amounts of LSD in my day, I
> still prefer some cacophony in my music. But most people don't,
> since most people don't take psychedelics. Why do you think the pop
> charts usually reflect the mainstream without the kind of acid-soaked
> freak-outs I prefer to listen to?
>
>
>
> Yeah, or so the Polyphonic Spree would have you believe...
>
>
>
> Freud went on all about it, calling it the 'oceanic' feeling. It's
> religious esctacy. The drug called 'esctacy' makes it happen
> instantaneously, no shaking or speaking in tongues or
> meditative-asphyxiation required (the old buddhists apparently used
> to stretch their tongues so they could gag on them and deplete
> themselves of oxygen during meditation in order to catch a buzz).
> The oceanic feeling usually only happens to people once in life. If
> it happens while on drugs, they'll probably seek it through drugs for
> the rest of their lives. If it happens during a religious ritual,
> they'll probably seek that elusive buzz through religion for the rest
> of their lives. If it happens while they're on drugs being
> religious, then they'll have an even freakier quest in life. If it
> happens on drugs while having a sexual religious ritual then they'll
> probably be the Manson Family.

FreakDog

2005-08-18, 8:57 am

"detox sucks" <jeremy@wicked.com> wrote in message
news:31UMe.229142$on1.198019@clgrps13...
> In article <1124321970.775362.271810@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> dohduhdah@yahoo.com says...
>
> opiates enhance the imagination as much as the most powerful psychedelic
and
> it's always pleasant. William Blake's Kubla Khan was simply a
transcription of
> an opium daydream. How many classic pieces of literature were developed
under
> the influence of psychedelics?
>
> I think you're kidding yourself if you think that people who take
psychedelics
> aren't doing it to get a buzz just like people who take any other drug
that
> gives a buzz. What kind of 'mind expansion' happens with psychedelics or
> opiates? None. People do not score higher on cognitive tests while under
the
> influence or after having taken these drugs.

"Mind expansion" does not equal "higher test scores." Altered perceptions
allow altered perspectives which sometimes equal insights into one's
behaviors, one's environment, etc., that would not have come about
otherwise. Insight can't generally be quantified. You're thinking of "No
Child Left Behind."

People who want to 'expand their
> mind' take the alzheimers drugs aka nootropics, as in the standard
> Piracetam/Hydergine cocktail. Studies have shown that those drugs DO
offer
> some accelleration of cognition, with lasting effects after the drugs have
worn
> off. Speed and any other stimulant can improve cognition too,
temporarily.
> But stuff like shrooms, LSD, DMT, won't be helping you cram for your
exams.
>
> People take less addictive drugs for a buzz because they are afraid of
more
> addictive drugs.

This is the entire crux of your every post: "I am brave because I do heroin
and you acid heads are pussies because you don't." Bully for you. How's that
whole addiction thing working out for you?

That's unfortunate, because psychedelics aren't as dependable
> to be pleasurable.

They sure are for me. Your mileage may vary.

That's why I recommended to those people sticking to pot.
> It will give a dependable buzz and you can still pretend you're like some
kind
> of mind-expanding spiritual rasta or whatever.
>

Whereas smack allows you to pretend you're an authority on anything and
everything, or is that just you?

>
>
> More often it seems to cause people to lose their abi