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Put this on your legal to do list: If you ever, god forbid, become a
vegetable, to avoid your body becoming a Republican political football, fill
out a living will, but more importantly, a health proxy to designate someone
else to make medical decisions for you if you can't.
Here are some excellent sites that cover MA law, but are generally
applicable elsewhere:
www.healthcareproxy.org a site run by the Massachusetts Medical Society
www.betterending.org a site run by the Central Massachusetts Partnership to
Improve Care at the End of Life, 508-767-9877
Other resources:
Massachusetts Commission on End of Life Care www.endoflifecommission.org
Harvard Medical School Guide to Living Wills and Health Care Proxies, $14
www.health.harvard.edu, or 1-877-649-9457
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| >Republican political football
>Abdi
Hey Abdi, you moron. I have a solution in the Schiavo case. She should
be deemed a terrorist and shipped to an Iraqi prison. Then loons like
you and your ilk, will all of the sudden value her as a human life and
decry how the evil USA is torturing her by starving her to death.
Chuck
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| abdi,
Good advice. I have a "Do Not Resuscitate" order on file and have notified my relatives about it.
The President knew that the court would uphold the ruling removing Terri Schiavo's feeding tube because he has the best legal advice available, he just publicly apposed the ruling to keep the Republicans happy and support(money) coming into the party from the (I)moral Majority.
Pappy
"abdi"
Put this on your legal to do list: If you ever, god forbid, become a
vegetable, to avoid your body becoming a Republican political football, fill
out a living will, but more importantly, a health proxy to designate someone
else to make medical decisions for you if you can't.
Here are some excellent sites that cover MA law, but are generally
applicable elsewhere:
www.healthcareproxy.org a site run by the Massachusetts Medical Society
www.betterending.org a site run by the Central Massachusetts Partnership to
Improve Care at the End of Life, 508-767-9877
Other resources:
Massachusetts Commission on End of Life Care www.endoflifecommission.org
Harvard Medical School Guide to Living Wills and Health Care Proxies, $14
www.health.harvard.edu, or 1-877-649-9457
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| If anything can come good out of this tragedy, is the knowledge that a
living will is essential. If Terry had one we could know better what
her wishes were
>Republicans happy and support>(money) coming into the party
lol Yeah we all know that the Dems don't have any special interest
groups or money coming in to them from these groups.
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| Hey, don't waste this creativity. Just drop a note at Whitehouse.com, you
may be the next president.
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"Chuck" <ChuckMSRD@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hey Abdi, you moron. I have a solution in the Schiavo case. She should
> be deemed a terrorist and shipped to an Iraqi prison. Then loons like
> you and your ilk, will all of the sudden value her as a human life and
> decry how the evil USA is torturing her by starving her to death.
>
> Chuck
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| abdi Mar 26, 7:17 pm show options
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 03:17:51 GMT
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>Hey, don't waste this creativity. Just drop a note at >Whitehouse.com,
you
>may be the next president.
As warped as it is, it is not hard to read into your (il)logic. Tell me
that if Terry Schaivo was an alledged terroists in the hands of US
authorities, you would not be screaming that she is being murdered by
them via starvation? You know you would because your beliefs are
one-sided, bigoted, and in most cases, pretty damn ignorant.
Chuck
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| Michael 2005-03-29, 7:15 pm |
| Chuck wrote:
> abdi Mar 26, 7:17 pm show options
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> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 03:17:51 GMT
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> As warped as it is, it is not hard to read into your (il)logic. Tell
> me that if Terry Schaivo was an alledged terroists in the hands of US
> authorities, you would not be screaming that she is being murdered by
> them via starvation? You know you would because your beliefs are
> one-sided, bigoted, and in most cases, pretty damn ignorant.
>
> Chuck
Sorry, Chuck... you crossed the line.
I actually chuckled at your post to which abdi's reply raised your dander
so. I thought it delightfully and hilariously satiric, with very nearly
the perfect amount of slightly-ambivalent killer instinct that truly
effective satire requires.
This reply of yours, though? Pure - and uninventive - invective is all I
see here.
Don't quit'cher day job yet, dood. :-)
((U))
M
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| Chuck,
Its fascinating, we have one of your bunch who demonstrates against
abortion near our HS with some dolls.
It never stops me smirking at how stupid a normal looking person can
get. But don't be alarmed, you guys have all the bombs and courts. I will be
smirking as you guys walk us to concentration camps.
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"Chuck" <ChuckMSRD@aol.com> wrote in message
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> abdi Mar 26, 7:17 pm show options
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> you
>
> As warped as it is, it is not hard to read into your (il)logic. Tell me
> that if Terry Schaivo was an alledged terroists in the hands of US
> authorities, you would not be screaming that she is being murdered by
> them via starvation? You know you would because your beliefs are
> one-sided, bigoted, and in most cases, pretty damn ignorant.
>
> Chuck
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| chuck and abdi, i think we all know you guys don't like each other. but
all the back-and-forth may be obscuring the one important point that
the post raised -- living wills, durable power of attorney for someone
you trust, AND, making sure the living will and our wishes are fully
discussed with family members, and that the family members understand
your wishes and agree to abide by them.
one of my sisters had emergency surgery not long ago. her husband, fter
having been out of work for some time, had found a really good new job,
and was scheduled to leave the country on biz the day my sister's
surgery was scheduled. they talked to the hospital, had the living will
and DNR discussion...but the hospital told her that, if there was a
responsible adult family member there, who objected to the expressed
wishes of the patient, they would have to take that person's orders
into account. her adult daughter was going to be her rep in my
bro-in-law's absence, but marie stated that she wouldn't, fetl that
she COULDN'T, follow her mom's wishes in this regard. even knowing what
her mom wanted, if marie had to give the agreement, she'd have felt
that she was 'killing' her mom, and she just couldn't bring herself to
comply. hostpial said that could be an ethical problem, so bro-in-law
canceled his trip to be there to make sure her wishes were abided by
(he had a power of attorney thingie as well).
i've discussed this with dennis and tam. tamara said she knew how marie
felt, she would NOT want to be the one who gave the ok, she'd feel a
lot like marie -- but she said that, if it ever came to that, she WOULD
abide by my expressly stated wishes.
he didn't much like the idea either, but he also agreed. it's a
difficult thing for a lot of people to talk about, and i do understand
that it would be a difficult thing for my loved ones to do, but their
knowing for sure what my own wishes are makes it a bit easier.
people don't need to simply fill out the papers, they need to really,
thoroughly, discuss the reasons and particulars with their loved ones,
as difficult and painful as the subject is to bring up....it would be
infinitely more difficult and painful for them to have to try to figure
out what i might have wanted on their own.
rose
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| rose, of course you said better than I and thanks. It was what I meant.
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"rose" <rosedawn_scott@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> chuck and abdi, i think we all know you guys don't like each other. but
> all the back-and-forth may be obscuring the one important point that
> the post raised -- living wills, durable power of attorney for someone
> you trust, AND, making sure the living will and our wishes are fully
> discussed with family members, and that the family members understand
> your wishes and agree to abide by them.
>
> one of my sisters had emergency surgery not long ago. her husband, fter
> having been out of work for some time, had found a really good new job,
> and was scheduled to leave the country on biz the day my sister's
> surgery was scheduled. they talked to the hospital, had the living will
> and DNR discussion...but the hospital told her that, if there was a
> responsible adult family member there, who objected to the expressed
> wishes of the patient, they would have to take that person's orders
> into account. her adult daughter was going to be her rep in my
> bro-in-law's absence, but marie stated that she wouldn't, fetl that
> she COULDN'T, follow her mom's wishes in this regard. even knowing what
> her mom wanted, if marie had to give the agreement, she'd have felt
> that she was 'killing' her mom, and she just couldn't bring herself to
> comply. hostpial said that could be an ethical problem, so bro-in-law
> canceled his trip to be there to make sure her wishes were abided by
> (he had a power of attorney thingie as well).
>
> i've discussed this with dennis and tam. tamara said she knew how marie
> felt, she would NOT want to be the one who gave the ok, she'd feel a
> lot like marie -- but she said that, if it ever came to that, she WOULD
> abide by my expressly stated wishes.
>
> he didn't much like the idea either, but he also agreed. it's a
> difficult thing for a lot of people to talk about, and i do understand
> that it would be a difficult thing for my loved ones to do, but their
> knowing for sure what my own wishes are makes it a bit easier.
>
> people don't need to simply fill out the papers, they need to really,
> thoroughly, discuss the reasons and particulars with their loved ones,
> as difficult and painful as the subject is to bring up....it would be
> infinitely more difficult and painful for them to have to try to figure
> out what i might have wanted on their own.
>
> rose
>
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| >Abdi
>Chuck,
> Its fascinating, we have one of your bunch who demonstrates >against
>abortion near our HS with some dolls.
I'm pro-choice
> It never stops me smirking at how stupid a normal looking >person can
>get.
I'd advise you remove all of the mirrors from the house. Though I doubt
you even *look* normal.
Chuck
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| I think that the Schiavo case should prompt all of us to revise our living wills. A DNR order is fine, but all of the tests to determine whether you are in a vegetative state or one of minimal consciousness should be done. Also, a living will can grant conditional releases for a divorce if you are in a "fault" state or if your religion requires the man to grant the divorce.
CW, the other Chuck.
"Pappy" <pappysnewsandstormdoorcompany@nospam.com> wrote in message news:c3l1e.46287$u76.29244@trndny08...
abdi,
Good advice. I have a "Do Not Resuscitate" order on file and have notified my relatives about it.
The President knew that the court would uphold the ruling removing Terri Schiavo's feeding tube because he has the best legal advice available, he just publicly apposed the ruling to keep the Republicans happy and support(money) coming into the party from the (I)moral Majority.
Pappy
"abdi"
Put this on your legal to do list: If you ever, god forbid, become a
vegetable, to avoid your body becoming a Republican political football, fill
out a living will, but more importantly, a health proxy to designate someone
else to make medical decisions for you if you can't.
Here are some excellent sites that cover MA law, but are generally
applicable elsewhere:
www.healthcareproxy.org a site run by the Massachusetts Medical Society
www.betterending.org a site run by the Central Massachusetts Partnership to
Improve Care at the End of Life, 508-767-9877
Other resources:
Massachusetts Commission on End of Life Care www.endoflifecommission.org
Harvard Medical School Guide to Living Wills and Health Care Proxies, $14
www.health.harvard.edu, or 1-877-649-9457
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