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OT:OT:OT Is Iraq worst than Vietnam?

abdi

2004-10-10, 11:09 am

The other day I was in the faculty room of a local high school (my wife is a
substitute teacher). There was this civic teacher that looked late 40 ish.
He is a Vietnam veteran. And he was saying in the beginning this
administration would object when you compared Vietnam to Iraq. But now its
worst, Vietnam had a very secure and civil capital. In Iraq its the war
zone. We had vietnamization of the war, if George was there he would have
known.

--
abdi ---- Quaecomque Sunt Vera

Specialsearcher

2004-10-10, 7:09 pm

> We had vietnamization of the war, if George was there he would have
>known.
>

You made me think of this post on aol...

"ROFLMAO!!!!
Who served in the military?
Prominent Democrats
ME!!Combat Infantry Rifle Platoon Leader,Korea,1952
--House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt - Served his country in uniform,
1965-71
House Minority Whip David Bonior - Served his country in uniform, 1968-72
--Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle - Served his country in uniform, 1969-72
--Former Vice President Al Gore - Served his country in uniform, 1969-71;
recipient of Vietnam Service Medal
--Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Congressional Medal of Honor, Vietnam
--Daniel Inouye... Democrat... Congressional Medal of Honor, World War Two
--John Kerry... Democrat...Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam
--Charles Rangel...Democrat... Bronze Star, Korea
--Max Cleland... Democrat... Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam
--Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star
--Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953.
--Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
--Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying
Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal.
http://www.afji.com/mags/1997/Jan/VietVets.html
--Ambassador "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Democratic congressman,
Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and
the Legion of Merit http://www.af.mil/news/Apr1997/n19970414_970430.html
--Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: served in combat with the U.S. Army as a staff
sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade; was wounded and
received a Purple Heart. http://www.house.gov/mthompson/bio.html

Draft Dodging Republicans

--Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
--Majority Leader Dick Armey- avoided the draft, did not serve.
--Majority Whip Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve. "So many minority
youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks
like himself."
--Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.
--GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four
years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
--VP Cheney - several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words, "had
other priorities than military service")
--Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - sought deferment to teach business ed at SW
Missouri State
--Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, too busy being a Republican.
--Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve
--Former President Ronald Reagan - served in a noncombat role. He later seems
to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real
thing.
--"B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college
acting classes (Orange County Register article)
--Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments
--Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze
Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the
Bush campaign smear him ?
--Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. ht
Here are a few more...
Democrats

--Gray Davis, California Governor, served in Vietnam.
--Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam
--George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & DFC, dozens of
missions during WWII.
--Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force

Republicans/Fascists
Political
--Don Nickles, Senate Minority Whip - Did not serve
--Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve
--JC Watts - did not serve
--Jack Kemp, did not serve
--Dan Quayle, avoided Vietnam service, got a slot in the journalism unit of the
Indiana National Guard when the unit was at 150% capacity
--Eliot Abrams, did not serve
--Vin Weber, did not serve
--Richard Perle, did not serve (is the current bloodshed in the Middle East a
direct result of his treasonous meddling in Clinton Administrstion foreign
policy?)
--Rudy Giuliani, did not serve. Giuliani did show bravery on September 11th,
unlike Bush who ran and hid...
--John Engler, did not serve
--Tom Ridge, Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam
--Representative Sam R. Johnson, combat missions in both Korea and Vietnam, POW
in Hanoi from April 1966 to February 1973
(don't ever run for president Sam, they'll spread rumors that you're crazy)
--Congresswoman Heather Wilson, served in the Air Force

Puditocracy and Preacher-types (See also Media Whores Online)
--George Will, did not serve
--Chris Matthews, Mediawhore, did not serve.
--Bill O'Reilly, did not serve
--Paul Gigot, did not serve.
--Bill Bennett, Did not serve
--Pat Buchanan, did not serve
--Rush Limbaugh, did not serve
--John Wayne, did not serve
--Pat Robertson - did not serve, apparently used Daddy's connections to get off
the ship in Tokyo while his buddies went on to Korea.
Bill Kristol, did not serve "

http://www.johnkerry.com/front/splash.html --- http://www.democrats.org/
Bush is scary lets elect Kerry!
http://www.americanprogress.org/sit...JRJ8OVF&b=42263
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain609889.shtml

abdi

2004-10-10, 7:09 pm

Chicken hawks. Its amazing Hitler never was a soldier either, but glorified
war.

--
abdi ---- Quae Comque Sunt Vera
"Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041010140256.11769.00002086@mb-m29.aol.com...
>
>
> You made me think of this post on aol...
>
> "ROFLMAO!!!!
> Who served in the military?
> Prominent Democrats
> ME!!Combat Infantry Rifle Platoon Leader,Korea,1952
> --House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt - Served his country in uniform,
> 1965-71
> House Minority Whip David Bonior - Served his country in uniform, 1968-72
> --Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle - Served his country in uniform,
> 1969-72
> --Former Vice President Al Gore - Served his country in uniform, 1969-71;
> recipient of Vietnam Service Medal
> --Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Congressional Medal of Honor, Vietnam
> --Daniel Inouye... Democrat... Congressional Medal of Honor, World War Two
> --John Kerry... Democrat...Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam
> --Charles Rangel...Democrat... Bronze Star, Korea
> --Max Cleland... Democrat... Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam
> --Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star
> --Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953.
> --Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
> --Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished
> Flying
> Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal.
> http://www.afji.com/mags/1997/Jan/VietVets.html
> --Ambassador "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Democratic
> congressman,
> Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star
> and
> the Legion of Merit http://www.af.mil/news/Apr1997/n19970414_970430.html
> --Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: served in combat with the U.S. Army as a staff
> sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade; was wounded and
> received a Purple Heart. http://www.house.gov/mthompson/bio.html
>
> Draft Dodging Republicans
>
> --Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
> --Majority Leader Dick Armey- avoided the draft, did not serve.
> --Majority Whip Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve. "So many
> minority
> youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic
> folks
> like himself."
> --Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.
> --GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means
> four
> years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
> --VP Cheney - several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words,
> "had
> other priorities than military service")
> --Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - sought deferment to teach business ed at SW
> Missouri State
> --Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, too busy being a
> Republican.
> --Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve
> --Former President Ronald Reagan - served in a noncombat role. He later
> seems
> to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real
> thing.
> --"B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in
> college
> acting classes (Orange County Register article)
> --Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student
> deferments
> --Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star,
> Bronze
> Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why
> did the
> Bush campaign smear him ?
> --Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. ht
> Here are a few more...
> Democrats
>
>
> --Gray Davis, California Governor, served in Vietnam.
> --Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam
> --George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & DFC, dozens of
> missions during WWII.
> --Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force
>
> Republicans/Fascists
> Political
> --Don Nickles, Senate Minority Whip - Did not serve
> --Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve
> --JC Watts - did not serve
> --Jack Kemp, did not serve
> --Dan Quayle, avoided Vietnam service, got a slot in the journalism unit
> of the
> Indiana National Guard when the unit was at 150% capacity
> --Eliot Abrams, did not serve
> --Vin Weber, did not serve
> --Richard Perle, did not serve (is the current bloodshed in the Middle
> East a
> direct result of his treasonous meddling in Clinton Administrstion foreign
> policy?)
> --Rudy Giuliani, did not serve. Giuliani did show bravery on September
> 11th,
> unlike Bush who ran and hid...
> --John Engler, did not serve
> --Tom Ridge, Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam
> --Representative Sam R. Johnson, combat missions in both Korea and
> Vietnam, POW
> in Hanoi from April 1966 to February 1973
> (don't ever run for president Sam, they'll spread rumors that you're
> crazy)
> --Congresswoman Heather Wilson, served in the Air Force
>
> Puditocracy and Preacher-types (See also Media Whores Online)
> --George Will, did not serve
> --Chris Matthews, Mediawhore, did not serve.
> --Bill O'Reilly, did not serve
> --Paul Gigot, did not serve.
> --Bill Bennett, Did not serve
> --Pat Buchanan, did not serve
> --Rush Limbaugh, did not serve
> --John Wayne, did not serve
> --Pat Robertson - did not serve, apparently used Daddy's connections to
> get off
> the ship in Tokyo while his buddies went on to Korea.
> Bill Kristol, did not serve "
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.johnkerry.com/front/splash.html ---
> http://www.democrats.org/
> Bush is scary lets elect Kerry!
> http://www.americanprogress.org/sit...JRJ8OVF&b=42263
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain609889.shtml

ChuckMSRD

2004-10-10, 7:09 pm

Iraqworst, is that anything like Liverwurst?

Michael

2004-10-10, 7:09 pm

In <news:20041010190336.01883.00001676@mb-m14.aol.com>,
ChuckMSRD said:

> Iraqworst, is that anything like Liverwurst?

And is Bushwurst just spoiled Bratwurst?

abdi

2004-10-10, 7:09 pm

Hay you guys are into roadkills, maybe you can name one of those.

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"ChuckMSRD" <chuckmsrd@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Iraqworst, is that anything like Liverwurst?

Robert Morrisette

2004-10-10, 10:07 pm

Stupid question. 56,000 were killed Vietnam

Serving in Vietnam or any other war should not be a requirement for
political office. Any idiot can carry a rifle.

"abdi" <abdi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:SEbad.4839$l07.2306@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> The other day I was in the faculty room of a local high school (my wife is
a
> substitute teacher). There was this civic teacher that looked late 40 ish.
> He is a Vietnam veteran. And he was saying in the beginning this
> administration would object when you compared Vietnam to Iraq. But now its
> worst, Vietnam had a very secure and civil capital. In Iraq its the war
> zone. We had vietnamization of the war, if George was there he would have
> known.
>
> --
> abdi ---- Quaecomque Sunt Vera
>
>

KKT

2004-10-11, 2:07 am

Robert Morrisette wrote:

> Stupid question. 56,000 were killed Vietnam
>
> Serving in Vietnam or any other war should not be a requirement for
> political office. Any idiot can carry a rifle.

But not everyone volunteers to do what he thinks is right. Kerry
thought it was his duty to serve. He did so. Gore thought it was his
duty to serve. He did so. Clinton disagreed with the war. He
registered for the selective service and did not get called.

Bush supported the war, agreed that the government was correct in
being there ... but thought someone else should fight. He used his
family's name to get into the National Guard and deliberately
checked the box that asked if he would serve overseas.

Any idiot might be able to carry a rifle, but at least one chose not to.

KKT

abdi

2004-10-11, 10:08 pm

This is actually the mentality, people, Dubaya AssUmes that "Any idiot can
carry a rifle", in fact Vietnam veterans are still
paying for that fiasco and obviously Vietnamese have paid dearly. Only
Dubaya, Cheney and the rest of them do not get
it.

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"Robert Morrisette" <writer77@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:uBlad.525435$OB3.76194@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Stupid question. 56,000 were killed Vietnam
>
> Serving in Vietnam or any other war should not be a requirement for
> political office. Any idiot can carry a rifle.
>
> "abdi" <abdi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:SEbad.4839$l07.2306@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> a
>
>

Dav1936531

2004-10-12, 2:08 am

>From: "abdi" abdi@yahoo.com
><2Yhad.291797$bp1.101021@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
>
>Chicken hawks. Its amazing Hitler never was a soldier either, but glorified
war.

Ummm....Hitler was a coporal in the German army and served on the front lines
in WWI where he was wounded in a gas attack.

Check your history.
Dave

GT Tick

2004-10-12, 2:08 am

I remember it well...I was there. It was never totally 'secure' nor
completely 'civil' by definition. Brothers were lost on downtown
streets of Saigon.

Oh, unless you're talking about Hanoi, the other capital...IT hasn't
been 'civil' since 1954 and we saw to it that IT was never 'secure' til
73 after the ceasefire was signed in Paris. Funny thing about that
ceasefire, the ARVN and the US honored it, the NVA and the Vietcong
didn't. Much more can be learned from the history books than from a
high school faculty room.

I'm really getting weary of all this Vietnam bullshit. I was there,
others weren't. Doesn't matter. If it did I'd have to give up some of
my friends.

The pols are running about 50/50 give or take. That means half the
country is full of shit and the other half is just full of shit. Imagine
that.

Let's all get drunk and be somebody...hell let's do some good drugs and
be everybody, I'm buying.

Tick
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OT:OT:OT Is Iraq worst than Vietnam?
Group: alt.support.mult-sclerosis Date: Sun, Oct 10, 2004, 2:26pm
(CDT+5) From: abdi@yahoo.com (abdi)

The other day I was in the faculty room of a local high school (my wife
is a substitute teacher). There was this civic teacher that looked late
40 ish. He is a Vietnam veteran. And he was saying in the beginning this
administration would object when you compared Vietnam to Iraq. But now
its worst, Vietnam had a very secure and civil capital. In Iraq its the
war zone. We had vietnamization of the war, if George was there he would
have known.
--
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*****Don't Cry Because It's Over...Smile Because It Happened.*****

Visit Me At Tick's Place...
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GT Tick

2004-10-12, 2:08 am

Doesn't seem to be much fact checking from either side of the fence
Dave. Just a whole bunch of partisan shootin' from the hip. Probably
guilty of a little myself ('course I may not always be right but I ain't
never wrong).

Must be an election year.

Tick
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Group: alt.support.mult-sclerosis Date: Tue, Oct 12, 2004, 3:44am
(CDT+5) From: dav1936531@aol.com (Dav1936531)
From: "abdi" abdi@yahoo.com
<2Yhad.291797$bp1.101021@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Chicken hawks. Its amazing Hitler never was a soldier either, but
glorified war.

Ummm....Hitler was a coporal in the German army and served on the front
lines in WWI where he was wounded in a gas attack.
Check your history.
Dave

*****Don't Cry Because It's Over...Smile Because It Happened.*****

Visit Me At Tick's Place...
http://community-2.webtv.net/OLTICK/TICKSPLACE/

Robert Morrisette

2004-10-12, 7:10 pm

At least two chose not to serve. Clinton was a draft dodger. He was not
called up because he got special attention. Do you know how to use google?

Sabu

"KKT" <sendme.nospam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:416a005a$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Robert Morrisette wrote:
>
>
> But not everyone volunteers to do what he thinks is right. Kerry
> thought it was his duty to serve. He did so. Gore thought it was his
> duty to serve. He did so. Clinton disagreed with the war. He
> registered for the selective service and did not get called.
>
> Bush supported the war, agreed that the government was correct in
> being there ... but thought someone else should fight. He used his
> family's name to get into the National Guard and deliberately
> checked the box that asked if he would serve overseas.
>
> Any idiot might be able to carry a rifle, but at least one chose not to.
>
> KKT

KKT

2004-10-12, 7:10 pm

Robert Morrisette wrote:

> At least two chose not to serve. Clinton was a draft dodger.
> He was not called up because he got special attention. Do
> you know how to use google?
> Sabu

What special attention do you think Clinton got and how do you know?
I can use Google, but I don't believe everything I read. Please
provide proof. If it's credible, I'll acknowledge it ... but since
I've already done the research, I doubt we'll hear from you again.

Kathie

KKT

2004-10-12, 7:10 pm

KKT wrote:

> Robert Morrisette wrote:
>
>
>
> What special attention do you think Clinton got and how do you know? I
> can use Google, but I don't believe everything I read. Please provide
> proof. If it's credible, I'll acknowledge it ... but since I've already
> done the research, I doubt we'll hear from you again.

I did some further research. The final reason that he wasn't drafted
was because his selective service no. was 311 ... no chance of being
drafted with that number.

He DID use a number of ploys to refrain from serving in a war he
found reprehensible. That might make him a draft dodger, but not a
hypocrite like Bush who supported the war but refused to fight.

KKT

hantayo

2004-10-12, 10:07 pm

KKT wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I did some further research. The final reason that he wasn't drafted was
> because his selective service no. was 311 ... no chance of being drafted
> with that number.
>
> He DID use a number of ploys to refrain from serving in a war he found
> reprehensible. That might make him a draft dodger, but not a hypocrite
> like Bush who supported the war but refused to fight.
>
> KKT

Dale had the same # - 311.
Kathy K.

Rob Duncan

2004-10-13, 11:10 am

"KKT" <sendme.nospam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:416a005a$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Robert Morrisette wrote:
>
>
> But not everyone volunteers to do what he thinks is right. Kerry thought
> it was his duty to serve. He did so. Gore thought it was his duty to
> serve. He did so. Clinton disagreed with the war. He registered for the
> selective service and did not get called.
>
> Bush supported the war, agreed that the government was correct in being
> there ... but thought someone else should fight. He used his family's name
> to get into the National Guard and deliberately checked the box that asked
> if he would serve overseas.
>
> Any idiot might be able to carry a rifle, but at least one chose not to.
>
> KKT

My dad would spit in your face for insinuating that his 8 years in the
reserves and 8 years in the gaurd were attempts to AVOID serving his
country.

Rob

Rob Duncan

2004-10-13, 11:10 am

"KKT" <sendme.nospam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:416c6438$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
> KKT wrote:
>
>
> I did some further research. The final reason that he wasn't drafted was
> because his selective service no. was 311 ... no chance of being drafted
> with that number.
>
> He DID use a number of ploys to refrain from serving in a war he found
> reprehensible. That might make him a draft dodger, but not a hypocrite
> like Bush who supported the war but refused to fight.
>
> KKT

And now youre accusing him of refusing to fight? Your an idiot.

Rob

Rob Duncan

2004-10-13, 11:10 am

"GT Tick" <OLTICK@webtv.net> wrote

> The pols are running about 50/50 give or take. That means half the
> country is full of shit and the other half is just full of shit. Imagine
> that.
>
> Let's all get drunk and be somebody...hell let's do some good drugs and
> be everybody, I'm buying.
>
> Tick

Group hug.

Rob

Specialsearcher

2004-10-14, 7:12 pm

abdi

2004-10-14, 7:12 pm

ChuckMSRD

2004-10-14, 7:12 pm

Iraqworst, is that anything like Liverwurst?

KKT

2004-10-14, 10:08 pm

Rob Duncan

2004-10-16, 7:10 pm

"abdi" <abdi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Chicken hawks. Its amazing Hitler never was a soldier either, but
> glorified war.
>
> --
> abdi

Hitler was a highly decorated war veteran in WWI, you idiot. He spent a
long time in the hospital recovering from his woulnds. Idiot. You idiot.
Damn your stupid. Its amazing. He served his country fearlessly and with
distinction during combat. You idiot. (And now make the moronic accusation
that I somehow like that piece of crap.)

Rob

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> "Specialsearcher" <specialsearcher@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>

abdi

2004-10-16, 10:07 pm

Sorry, I should have guessed, you like him. Just take it easy. I have always
had this suspicion of Dubaya and his supporters are closet Nazis. But wat
the heck, you guys can make him respectable too. Its only a second away.

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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
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>
> "abdi" <abdi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:2Yhad.291797$bp1.101021@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
> Hitler was a highly decorated war veteran in WWI, you idiot. He spent a
> long time in the hospital recovering from his woulnds. Idiot. You idiot.
> Damn your stupid. Its amazing. He served his country fearlessly and with
> distinction during combat. You idiot. (And now make the moronic
> accusation that I somehow like that piece of crap.)
>
>
> Rob
>
> ---- Quae Comque Sunt Vera
>
>

Rob Duncan

2004-10-16, 10:07 pm

Abdi, youre an idiot.

Rob

"abdi" <abdi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry, I should have guessed, you like him. Just take it easy. I have
> always had this suspicion of Dubaya and his supporters are closet Nazis.
> But wat the heck, you guys can make him respectable too. Its only a second
> away.
>
> --
> abdi ---- Quaecomque Sunt Vera
> "Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
> news:ZPOdnS-zZJhOOuzcRVn-uw@gbronline.com...
>
>

Robert Morrisette

2004-10-17, 2:08 am

abdi

2004-10-17, 11:07 am

I know, you do not like your fuehrer to be insulted.

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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
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> Abdi, youre an idiot.
>
>
> Rob
>
> "abdi" <abdi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bvkcd.14283$l07.7778@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
>

KKT

2004-10-17, 7:10 pm

Rob Duncan

2004-10-17, 7:10 pm

"abdi" <abdi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I know, you do not like your fuehrer to be insulted.
>
> --
> abdi

Uh, abdi, I know youre stupid, but Hitler and the NAZI party were liberal
socialists. Who would have no problem creating life and experimenting on
it.

Hes my leader? How so?

Rob

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> "Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
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>
>

KKT

2004-10-17, 10:07 pm

Rob Duncan wrote:

>
> Uh, abdi, I know youre stupid, but Hitler and the NAZI party
> were liberal socialists. Who would have no problem creating
> life and experimenting on it.
>
> Hes my leader? How so?

The National Socialist [Nazi] party was no more "Socialist" than
Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard was "Republican."

<<shakes her head is utter disbelief>>

KKT

KKT

2004-10-18, 2:07 am

Rob Duncan wrote:

>
> Truly, youre an idiot in every sense of the word. It was socialist to its
> core, in every aspect, definition of the word, and in every detail. Youre
> ridiculous.

That I may be ... I'm just not wrong. The Nazis were fascists by
every definition of the word. As one of the writers below points
out, the term is used by right-wingers to discredit socialism.

I'm not sure if that's what you're trying to do, or if you're simply
uninformed, but it would be in your best interests to do a tad more
reading before making such outrageous and incorrect statements ...
unless that's how you wish to be known.

Ya know, Rob, I can't continue to research everything in the world
for you ... you're going to have to do some work yourself.

KKT

The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German:
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei), better known as the
NSDAP or the Nazi Party was a political party that was led to power
in Germany by Adolf Hitler in 1933. The term Nazi is a short form of
the German word (NA)tionalso(ZI)alist (National Socialist) - the
ideology of the NSDAP (generally considered to be a variant of
fascism under a misleading name).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP

"Nazism" or "National Socialism" refers to the politics of the
dictatorship which ruled Germany from 1933 to 1945, "the Third
Reich". Nazism is commonly associated with Fascism; although, the
Nazis claimed to espouse a nationalist totalitarian form of
socialism (as opposed to Marxist international socialism).

The German National Socialist Party advocated "Nationalsozialismus"
("National Socialism"). However, some disagree "By majority consent
of both socialists and non-socialists, National Socialism (Nazism)
and kindred movements are not considered to be socialist." (Salvadori)

*Despite Salvadori's statement, some right-wing groups (which wish
to discredit socialism) refer to Nazism as being socialist ...*

http://www.fact-index.com/n/na/nazism.html

Rob Duncan

2004-10-18, 4:07 am

"KKT" <sendme.nospam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:417346ae$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Rob Duncan wrote:
>
>
> That I may be ... I'm just not wrong. The Nazis were fascists by every
> definition of the word. As one of the writers below points out, the term
> is used by right-wingers to discredit socialism.
>
> I'm not sure if that's what you're trying to do, or if you're simply
> uninformed, but it would be in your best interests to do a tad more
> reading before making such outrageous and incorrect statements ... unless
> that's how you wish to be known.
>
> Ya know, Rob, I can't continue to research everything in the world for you
> ... you're going to have to do some work yourself.
>
> KKT
>
> The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German:
> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei), better known as the NSDAP
> or the Nazi Party was a political party that was led to power in Germany
> by Adolf Hitler in 1933. The term Nazi is a short form of the German word
> (NA)tionalso(ZI)alist (National Socialist) - the ideology of the NSDAP
> (generally considered to be a variant of fascism under a misleading name).
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP
>
>
> "Nazism" or "National Socialism" refers to the politics of the
> dictatorship which ruled Germany from 1933 to 1945, "the Third Reich".
> Nazism is commonly associated with Fascism; although, the Nazis claimed to
> espouse a nationalist totalitarian form of socialism (as opposed to
> Marxist international socialism).
>
> The German National Socialist Party advocated "Nationalsozialismus"
> ("National Socialism"). However, some disagree "By majority consent of
> both socialists and non-socialists, National Socialism (Nazism) and
> kindred movements are not considered to be socialist." (Salvadori)
>
> *Despite Salvadori's statement, some right-wing groups (which wish to
> discredit socialism) refer to Nazism as being socialist ...*
>
> http://www.fact-index.com/n/na/nazism.html

Youre confusing enforcement with method of government. That it was a
fascist state has nothing to do with it being a socialist state. It was as
socialist as it could possibly be. In every respect, in every detail,
altering definitions, after the fact, simply spits in the face of truth.

Socialism was its core purpose. It was what shaped their country, its how
their society was. How anyone can deny this is beyond me. Go back. Read
some old pre-WWII newspapers. Hell I threw out enough that were insulating
the north wall in our living room to educate anyone thinking otherwise.
Perhaps I should have saved some... for you.

Rob

Rob Duncan

2004-10-19, 11:10 am

abdi

2004-10-19, 7:19 pm

abdi

2004-10-19, 10:10 pm

Rob,

Your fuehrer, like Dubaya fooled Germans by the name socialism, in fact
he was able to do much because he was
supported by big business. But this point is debatable, just like those who
deny holocaust.

--
abdi ---- Quaecomque Sunt Vera
"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
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>
> "abdi" <abdi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:kgwcd.307362$bp1.22866@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
> Uh, abdi, I know youre stupid, but Hitler and the NAZI party were liberal
> socialists. Who would have no problem creating life and experimenting on
> it.
>
> Hes my leader? How so?
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---- Quaecomque Sunt Vera
>
>

Rob Duncan

2004-10-20, 2:08 am

"abdi" <abdi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hpjdd.311869$bp1.265862@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Rob,
>
> Your fuehrer,

Your calling me a NAZI you ignorant XXXX-head. In real life, I would simply
smile, and then knock your teeth out. Im violent like that. LOL.

> like Dubaya fooled Germans by the name socialism,

Huh?

> in fact he was able to do much because he was
> supported by big business. But this point is debatable, just like those
> who deny holocaust.
>
> --
> abdi

Buddy, I cant tell if youre drunk, stoned, or flat out stupid. You call me
a NAZI? WTF is that? Pull your head out. Its smothering.

Rob

ChuckMSRD

2004-10-20, 7:07 am

>Rob

I'll save you the trouble

Abdi your an idiot

Chuck

Specialsearcher

2004-10-20, 7:07 am

>Chuck
>

Here you go Chuck:

http://www.seethefactsforyourself.com/

abdi

2004-10-20, 10:07 pm

Hay Rob,
I am glad you are not a NAZI, the world is much better without NAZIs.
You were defending him too much for a while and so I brought it up. Mind you
I think Dubaya , his buddy Ashcroft, Cheny and Dumsfeld (Gang of four) are
all
NAZIs.

--
abdi ---- Quaecomque Sunt Vera
"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
news:0YOdnYfPLtwGqe7cRVn-uA@gbronline.com...
>
> "KKT" <sendme.nospam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
> news:41730a6d$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
>
> Truly, youre an idiot in every sense of the word. It was socialist to its
> core, in every aspect, definition of the word, and in every detail. Youre
> ridiculous.
>
>
> Rob
>

Rob Duncan

2004-10-22, 7:12 pm

abdi

2004-10-22, 7:12 pm

abdi

2004-10-26, 7:26 pm

Rob Duncan

2004-10-26, 7:26 pm

ChuckMSRD

2004-10-26, 7:26 pm

>Rob

I'll save you the trouble

Abdi your an idiot

Chuck

Specialsearcher

2004-10-26, 7:26 pm

>Chuck
>

Here you go Chuck:

http://www.seethefactsforyourself.com/

abdi

2004-10-26, 7:26 pm