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| Julie Bove 2005-09-28, 9:32 am |
| I developed a lot of weird skin problems while pregnant and also a thyroid
problem. I was being treated for hypothyroid and continued to have skin
problems after having the baby. Was finally diagnosed with P and a bunch of
other things.
Since my husband is in the military, we move a lot. I've seen many
different Drs. in several different states. Each time I moved, the Dr. said
I was being overtreated on thyroid meds. Each time my thyroid dose was cut
back, I felt better. The P lessened to where it was only a tiny patch on
each elbow, every once in a while. But some of the other skin problems
remained.
Now, I am on no thyroid meds at all. My thyroid levels are normal. And I
have no skin problems whatever. I do not know if there is a correlation or
not, but it seems so. The extra/unneeded thyroid meds were making me
hyperthyroid. That means (simplistically) everything in my body was all
speeded up. So while this might not have caused the P, it makes sense to me
that it might have worsened it.
So just a thought... If you have P and thyroid problems, there might be a
connection.
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| Cruiser 2005-09-30, 1:06 pm |
| Julie,
This may be a red herring, but mothers homeostatically control the level of
boron in their breast milk. The level stays constant during the whole period
of infant feeding. There were a number of studies which confirmed this. The
boron level is not constant before the child starts breast feeding, but it
is maintained during the span of time, that the infant breast feeds. Calcium
and I think one other mineral also stay constant, but all other mineral
content of breast milk varies over time. The mechanism for the homeostatic
control of boron levels is not know.
It is worth considering that the mother may sacrifice some of her own boron
levels to maintain the boron level in her breast milk, since a boron
deficiency can lead to health problems in the infant. Boron appears to be
closely tied to mitosis and mitosis may cease if boron is not available.
This has been proven in plants, but I have not seen any studies where it has
been shown in animals. However, 80% of RA cases can be cured by boron
supplements. The mayo clinic did a study that showed RA is a result of a
failure of T-cells to multiply. These two facts strongly suggest that boron
may be the limiting factor in T-cell mitosis.
Also of interest, Dead Sea water is very high in boron and other minerals.
Also, boron is high in the soils of Israel. The average Israeli consumes
10mg per day of boron in diet. This may account for the curative effects of
a trip to the Dead Sea.
North Americans and Europeans are deficient in boron, due to poor diet and
depleted soils, caused by using, for many years, fertilizers which do not
replemish boron in the soil.
Further, one of the main parts of the body influenced by boron is the
thyroid gland.
Like I said, this could be a red herring, but something to consider.
Cruiser
"Julie Bove" <julienospambove@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:SIm_e.13419$y64.12966@trnddc06...
> I developed a lot of weird skin problems while pregnant and also a thyroid
> problem. I was being treated for hypothyroid and continued to have skin
> problems after having the baby. Was finally diagnosed with P and a bunch
of
> other things.
>
> Since my husband is in the military, we move a lot. I've seen many
> different Drs. in several different states. Each time I moved, the Dr.
said
> I was being overtreated on thyroid meds. Each time my thyroid dose was
cut
> back, I felt better. The P lessened to where it was only a tiny patch on
> each elbow, every once in a while. But some of the other skin problems
> remained.
>
> Now, I am on no thyroid meds at all. My thyroid levels are normal. And I
> have no skin problems whatever. I do not know if there is a correlation
or
> not, but it seems so. The extra/unneeded thyroid meds were making me
> hyperthyroid. That means (simplistically) everything in my body was all
> speeded up. So while this might not have caused the P, it makes sense to
me
> that it might have worsened it.
>
> So just a thought... If you have P and thyroid problems, there might be a
> connection.
> --
> See my webpage:
> http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm
>
>
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| Julie Bove 2005-09-30, 1:06 pm |
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"Cruiser" <nospam.tg.cruisers@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Julie,
>
> This may be a red herring, but mothers homeostatically control the level
of
> boron in their breast milk. The level stays constant during the whole
period
> of infant feeding. There were a number of studies which confirmed this.
The
> boron level is not constant before the child starts breast feeding, but it
> is maintained during the span of time, that the infant breast feeds.
Calcium
> and I think one other mineral also stay constant, but all other mineral
> content of breast milk varies over time. The mechanism for the homeostatic
> control of boron levels is not know.
>
> It is worth considering that the mother may sacrifice some of her own
boron
> levels to maintain the boron level in her breast milk, since a boron
> deficiency can lead to health problems in the infant. Boron appears to be
> closely tied to mitosis and mitosis may cease if boron is not available.
> This has been proven in plants, but I have not seen any studies where it
has
> been shown in animals. However, 80% of RA cases can be cured by boron
> supplements. The mayo clinic did a study that showed RA is a result of a
> failure of T-cells to multiply. These two facts strongly suggest that
boron
> may be the limiting factor in T-cell mitosis.
>
> Also of interest, Dead Sea water is very high in boron and other minerals.
> Also, boron is high in the soils of Israel. The average Israeli consumes
> 10mg per day of boron in diet. This may account for the curative effects
of
> a trip to the Dead Sea.
>
> North Americans and Europeans are deficient in boron, due to poor diet and
> depleted soils, caused by using, for many years, fertilizers which do not
> replemish boron in the soil.
>
> Further, one of the main parts of the body influenced by boron is the
> thyroid gland.
>
> Like I said, this could be a red herring, but something to consider.
Thanks! I didn't know that. I also didn't know just how important it was
to have good followup care for the thyroid. Alas, the Dr. I was seeing
after I had the baby felt that since I was overweight, I needed to continue
taking the thyroid med. This in turn was cutting down on my milk
production. I don't think I had P while I was breast feeding, but I did
have some other odd skin conditions.
--
See my webpage:
http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm
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| Fizziwig2 2005-09-30, 1:06 pm |
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"Julie Bove" <julienospambove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> "Cruiser" <nospam.tg.cruisers@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:dry_e.6268$cq2.660853@news20.bellglobal.com...
> of
> period
> The
> Calcium
> boron
> has
> boron
> of
>
> Thanks! I didn't know that. I also didn't know just how important it was
> to have good followup care for the thyroid. Alas, the Dr. I was seeing
> after I had the baby felt that since I was overweight, I needed to
> continue
> taking the thyroid med. This in turn was cutting down on my milk
> production. I don't think I had P while I was breast feeding, but I did
> have some other odd skin conditions.
>
> --
> See my webpage:
> http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm
Also and natural remedy might be a good idea to follow grannies' advice and
eat more prunes and vary the origin of the fruits and vegetables you eat.
Raisins, prunes, and nuts are generally excellent sources of boron. Fruit
(other than citrus), vegetables, and legumes also typically contain
significant amounts. Actual amounts vary widely, depending upon boron levels
in soil where the food is grown.
Skeats
>
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| Julie Bove 2005-09-30, 1:06 pm |
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"Fizziwig2" <atthebackofthenorthwind@kingdomcom.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Also and natural remedy might be a good idea to follow grannies' advice
and
> eat more prunes and vary the origin of the fruits and vegetables you eat.
> Raisins, prunes, and nuts are generally excellent sources of boron. Fruit
> (other than citrus), vegetables, and legumes also typically contain
> significant amounts. Actual amounts vary widely, depending upon boron
levels
> in soil where the food is grown.
Prunes? Yuck! I don't eat much fruit at all. Don't really care for the
taste of it and for some reason, most fruit gives me terrible stomach pains.
I do eat a variety of vegetables though and I eat nuts and legumes almost
every day.
--
See my webpage:
http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm
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| JXStern 2005-09-30, 1:06 pm |
| On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:01:49 GMT, "Julie Bove"
<julienospambove@verizon.net> wrote:
>Prunes? Yuck! I don't eat much fruit at all. Don't really care for the
>taste of it and for some reason, most fruit gives me terrible stomach pains.
Sounds like two things might be going on. One, you're eating average
supermarket produce, which often sucks. If you find something closer
to farm-fresh, it makes all the difference in the world.
Two, you might have some nasty gut flora that feast on the sugar and
make you feel worse, in which case I refer you to the local experts on
the subject for suggestions.
>I do eat a variety of vegetables though and I eat nuts and legumes almost
>every day.
We're talking green and leafy vegetables, the darker the better, and
the less processed the better? If so, should do ya, though fruit
seems to be the best source of bioflavonids that seem to have all
sorts of beneficial immune system functions.
J.
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| On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 01:53:54 GMT, "Julie Bove"
<julienospambove@verizon.net> wrote:
>I developed a lot of weird skin problems while pregnant and also a thyroid
>problem. I was being treated for hypothyroid and continued to have skin
>problems after having the baby. Was finally diagnosed with P and a bunch of
>other things.
>
>Since my husband is in the military, we move a lot. I've seen many
>different Drs. in several different states. Each time I moved, the Dr. said
>I was being overtreated on thyroid meds. Each time my thyroid dose was cut
>back, I felt better. The P lessened to where it was only a tiny patch on
>each elbow, every once in a while. But some of the other skin problems
>remained.
>
>Now, I am on no thyroid meds at all. My thyroid levels are normal. And I
>have no skin problems whatever. I do not know if there is a correlation or
>not, but it seems so. The extra/unneeded thyroid meds were making me
>hyperthyroid. That means (simplistically) everything in my body was all
>speeded up. So while this might not have caused the P, it makes sense to me
>that it might have worsened it.
>
>So just a thought... If you have P and thyroid problems, there might be a
>connection.
What a great way to sample medical opinions. I have a much smaller
sampling, but I long ago lost faith in the medical profession. As my
late uncle used to say, "Doctors practice, always practicing."
dick
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| Cruiser 2005-09-30, 1:06 pm |
| Julie,
This again could be off base, but you may want to read a couple of these
references. They talk about phenols. Fruit is usually high in polyphenols.
http://www.newtreatments.org/fromweb/sulfur.html
http://www.enzymestuff.com/methylation.htm
Good luck.
Cruiser
"Julie Bove" <julienospambove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
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> "Fizziwig2" <atthebackofthenorthwind@kingdomcom.co.uk> wrote in message
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> and
eat.[vbcol=seagreen]
Fruit[vbcol=seagreen]
> levels
>
> Prunes? Yuck! I don't eat much fruit at all. Don't really care for the
> taste of it and for some reason, most fruit gives me terrible stomach
pains.
> I do eat a variety of vegetables though and I eat nuts and legumes almost
> every day.
>
> --
> See my webpage:
> http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm
>
>
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| Julie Bove 2005-09-30, 9:50 pm |
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"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:01:49 GMT, "Julie Bove"
> <julienospambove@verizon.net> wrote:
pains.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Sounds like two things might be going on. One, you're eating average
> supermarket produce, which often sucks. If you find something closer
> to farm-fresh, it makes all the difference in the world.
No. I eat only organic produce or that which I grow myself. Last year I was
able to eat some canned pears and applesauce that I put up myself from the
fruit on our trees. But since I have diabetes, I eat fruit sparingly
anyway. I've been told it could be a problem with the sorbitol in the fruit
since that is broken down when the fruit is cooked.
>
> Two, you might have some nasty gut flora that feast on the sugar and
> make you feel worse, in which case I refer you to the local experts on
> the subject for suggestions.
My husband is in the military and we move around a lot. No matter where we
live, the problem persists. I have never liked fruit. Not even as a child
when we had our own garden. The stomach problems began when I was in Las
Vegas. I remember taking a piece of cantaloupe from the buffet and within
minutes after eating it, I was doubled over in pain. I've had a problem
with fruit ever since.
>
>
> We're talking green and leafy vegetables, the darker the better, and
> the less processed the better? If so, should do ya, though fruit
> seems to be the best source of bioflavonids that seem to have all
> sorts of beneficial immune system functions.
I don't do processed foods. Since I have diabetes and now that I know my
daughter has allergies to 7 different foods, almost everything in our house
is made from scratch.
--
See my webpage:
http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm
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| Julie Bove 2005-09-30, 9:50 pm |
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"Dick" <remdick@christophers.net> wrote in message
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> What a great way to sample medical opinions. I have a much smaller
> sampling, but I long ago lost faith in the medical profession. As my
> late uncle used to say, "Doctors practice, always practicing."
That and... Medicine is an art, not a science.
--
See my webpage:
http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm
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