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What is the MAX safe Lysine Dosage??
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| Hello,
I am taking 2000 mg of Lysine per day all because my doctor doesn't think
the severity of my genital herpes condition needs Valtrex. I find that the
Lysine has been a life saver because without it I would have been in severe
pain from the herpes. I am wondering if there are any long term
consequences. I called the Vitamin World store and the counter person told
me that only 4000 mg or higher have limits on how long you can take them,
but yet a source online said that even taking 2000 mg per day should be
limited to 6 months then brought down to 1000 mg per day as a maintenance
dose for herpes. When calling the pharmacy or talking to my doctor they told
me they didn't know. Does anyone know if there is a set limit? I just don't
want to be taking this for a long period of time and then find out my liver
is about to go because I took too much lysine.
Thanks,
Tom
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| M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid 2005-05-18, 11:07 am |
| Tom writes:
>Lysine has been a life saver
Glad to hear that because It doesn't help at all for many people. In
fact, it increases activity for some. That whole lysine/arginine ratio
thing seems to be a very inexact science. Lots of people can load up
on arginine with no ill effect at all. Everybody's different.
>Vitamin World store and the counter person told
>me that only 4000 mg or higher have limits on how long you can take them,
>but yet a source online said that even taking 2000 mg per day should be
>limited to 6 months
Yep, there's lots of conflicting info about the stuff. I haven't seen
a study on it lately but one reliable source I've read claims that
anything less than 3000mg per day won't really do any good for herpes.
> I just don't
>want to be taking this for a long period of time and then find out my liver
>is about to go because I took too much lysine.
My understanding is that it's a fairly benign substance but ...who
knows. Keep us posted if/when you find some interesting info.
M2
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| Well it does help me in terms of making the outbreaks a little less severe,
but not much more than that. I do know that after taking it from times when
I wasn't taking it, has brought on the blisters, so maybe that's what you
are referring to?
I heard that 1000 mg is maintenance and 2000-3000 is for use in prevention.
As far as arginine...well lets put it this way...if I have chocolate, coffee
and nuts I will almost certainly have an outbreak in about 5 days following
it. I noticed that taking lysine has reduced the symptoms but not more than
that. Now that the primary is over I still get outbreaks but they are alot
less severe, although some of the prodrome pain in the thighs and lower back
is pretty painful still.
<M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:rmec81ts60p8bdijq3h6dgp8ggvrrmaubl@4ax.com...
> Tom writes:
>
> Glad to hear that because It doesn't help at all for many people. In
> fact, it increases activity for some. That whole lysine/arginine ratio
> thing seems to be a very inexact science. Lots of people can load up
> on arginine with no ill effect at all. Everybody's different.
>
>
> Yep, there's lots of conflicting info about the stuff. I haven't seen
> a study on it lately but one reliable source I've read claims that
> anything less than 3000mg per day won't really do any good for herpes.
>
liver[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> My understanding is that it's a fairly benign substance but ...who
> knows. Keep us posted if/when you find some interesting info.
>
> M2
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| M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid 2005-05-18, 11:07 am |
| Just re-read my post and realize it sounded a bit on the negative
side. Sorry about that. Sometimes it just doesn't come out the way
it's supposed to. Obviously, Lysine works for quite a few people.
I went to a seminar a couple of years ago and heard the lady who wrote
the book (literally. She was selling the books at the seminar) on
Lysine/Arginine ratios and its effect on herpes. She's a nurse and had
done quite a bit of research on the subject. Anyhow, the theory on why
Lysine works, if I recall correctly, is as follows:
1) HSV needs arginine to replicate
2) Lysine displaces Arginine in the body.
3) The body can make it's own Arginine but can't make Lysine,
soooo....
4) the body hordes lysine whenever it's made available. The more
Lysine it hoards, the more arginine it simultaneously displaces
5) Once the body has little or no arginine, HSV can't replicate.
...... at least that's the theory.
Tom writes:
>after taking it from times when
>I wasn't taking it, has brought on the blisters, so maybe that's what you
>are referring to?
hmm... not sure what you mean. But what I meant was, according to a
few people I've talked with, taking Lysine daily over a period of time
seemed to increase the frequency of their outbreaks during that time.
Then their outbreak frequency would lessen when they stopped taking
Lysine. Granted, that's anecdotal from an extremely small sample so
take it for what it's worth.
>I heard that 1000 mg is maintenance and 2000-3000 is for use in prevention.
Sounds like a good consensus. That's what's on a couple of reliable
sites. And I've also seen that toxicity levels haven't been
scientifically determined.
>As far as arginine...well lets put it this way...if I have chocolate, coffee
>and nuts I will almost certainly have an outbreak
It's a trigger for lots of folks. Wish all triggers had a antidote as
simple as Lysine.
M2
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<M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:psgd81tlq5emh06pvhj5220b4elbk5jm56@4ax.com...
> Just re-read my post and realize it sounded a bit on the negative
> side. Sorry about that. Sometimes it just doesn't come out the way
> it's supposed to. Obviously, Lysine works for quite a few people.
No problem, I didnt take it in a negative way.
>
> I went to a seminar a couple of years ago and heard the lady who wrote
> the book (literally. She was selling the books at the seminar) on
> Lysine/Arginine ratios and its effect on herpes. She's a nurse and had
> done quite a bit of research on the subject. Anyhow, the theory on why
> Lysine works, if I recall correctly, is as follows:
> 1) HSV needs arginine to replicate
> 2) Lysine displaces Arginine in the body.
> 3) The body can make it's own Arginine but can't make Lysine,
> soooo....
> 4) the body hordes lysine whenever it's made available. The more
> Lysine it hoards, the more arginine it simultaneously displaces
> 5) Once the body has little or no arginine, HSV can't replicate.
> ..... at least that's the theory.
>
That's probably why after taking Lysine the symptoms are more mild from what
I still get. If the herpes cannot replicate it doesn't cause move through
the nerves and doesn't cause the nerve irritations and pain. Don't get me
wrong, even while taking 2000 mg per day I still get symptoms and have
outbreaks, but the symptoms are more bearable. Instead of being in all out
pain and aching in the thighs, lower back and extreme itching and throbbing
sensations, I am feeling a little more comfortable, but I can still feel it
happing. I guess I am one of those people that has severe herpes pain,
because I have alot of pain almost all the time, like a constant reminder,
but with the Lysine its not as bad.
Tom
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| Angela S. 2005-05-18, 11:07 am |
| > I am taking 2000 mg of Lysine per day all because my doctor doesn't think
> the severity of my genital herpes condition needs Valtrex.
That's interesting because Lysine is not an antiviral medication used to
treat Herpes Simplex Virus.
> I find that the
> Lysine has been a life saver because without it I would have been in
> severe
> pain from the herpes. I am wondering if there are any long term
> consequences.
Too much Lysine is not good for you and can actually cause your body tons of
harm.
>I called the Vitamin World store and the counter person told
> me that only 4000 mg or higher have limits on how long you can take them,
> but yet a source online said that even taking 2000 mg per day should be
> limited to 6 months then brought down to 1000 mg per day as a maintenance
> dose for herpes.
Once again.. Lysine is not a herpes antiviral medication. It doesn't reduce
asymptomatic shedding. It doesn't cut transmission rates in half. It doesn't
reduce the frequency or intensity of flare ups either.
>When calling the pharmacy or talking to my doctor they told
> me they didn't know. Does anyone know if there is a set limit? I just
> don't
> want to be taking this for a long period of time and then find out my
> liver
> is about to go because I took too much lysine.
If you want to talk to a herpes expert.. head on over to WebMD and ask
Terri Warren about all of this:
http://boards.webmd.com/topic.asp?topic_id=90
You might also check out a post that I wrote here:
http://www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bul...topic.php?t=656
It's about Vitamins, Minerals, Amino Acids and the Arginine Theory.
Take Care,
Angela 
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| M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid 2005-05-18, 11:07 am |
| Yoshi writes:
>You might also check out a post that I wrote here:
>http://www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bul...topic.php?t=656
>It's about Vitamins, Minerals, Amino Acids and the Arginine Theory.
Hi Yosh....
I couldn't get there with the link, even after I registered and logged
in.
I get the message:
"The topic or post you requested does not exist"
Is there another way to get there? Like "Jump to...." ... uh ... which
group?... and which message?... like that?
Thanks,
M2
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| M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid 2005-05-18, 11:07 am |
| Tom writes:
>Lysine has been a life saver
Glad to hear that because It doesn't help at all for many people. In
fact, it increases activity for some. That whole lysine/arginine ratio
thing seems to be a very inexact science. Lots of people can load up
on arginine with no ill effect at all. Everybody's different.
>Vitamin World store and the counter person told
>me that only 4000 mg or higher have limits on how long you can take them,
>but yet a source online said that even taking 2000 mg per day should be
>limited to 6 months
Yep, there's lots of conflicting info about the stuff. I haven't seen
a study on it lately but one reliable source I've read claims that
anything less than 3000mg per day won't really do any good for herpes.
> I just don't
>want to be taking this for a long period of time and then find out my liver
>is about to go because I took too much lysine.
My understanding is that it's a fairly benign substance but ...who
knows. Keep us posted if/when you find some interesting info.
M2
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| Well it does help me in terms of making the outbreaks a little less severe,
but not much more than that. I do know that after taking it from times when
I wasn't taking it, has brought on the blisters, so maybe that's what you
are referring to?
I heard that 1000 mg is maintenance and 2000-3000 is for use in prevention.
As far as arginine...well lets put it this way...if I have chocolate, coffee
and nuts I will almost certainly have an outbreak in about 5 days following
it. I noticed that taking lysine has reduced the symptoms but not more than
that. Now that the primary is over I still get outbreaks but they are alot
less severe, although some of the prodrome pain in the thighs and lower back
is pretty painful still.
<M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:rmec81ts60p8bdijq3h6dgp8ggvrrmaubl@4ax.com...
> Tom writes:
>
> Glad to hear that because It doesn't help at all for many people. In
> fact, it increases activity for some. That whole lysine/arginine ratio
> thing seems to be a very inexact science. Lots of people can load up
> on arginine with no ill effect at all. Everybody's different.
>
>
> Yep, there's lots of conflicting info about the stuff. I haven't seen
> a study on it lately but one reliable source I've read claims that
> anything less than 3000mg per day won't really do any good for herpes.
>
liver[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> My understanding is that it's a fairly benign substance but ...who
> knows. Keep us posted if/when you find some interesting info.
>
> M2
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| M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid 2005-05-18, 11:07 am |
| Just re-read my post and realize it sounded a bit on the negative
side. Sorry about that. Sometimes it just doesn't come out the way
it's supposed to. Obviously, Lysine works for quite a few people.
I went to a seminar a couple of years ago and heard the lady who wrote
the book (literally. She was selling the books at the seminar) on
Lysine/Arginine ratios and its effect on herpes. She's a nurse and had
done quite a bit of research on the subject. Anyhow, the theory on why
Lysine works, if I recall correctly, is as follows:
1) HSV needs arginine to replicate
2) Lysine displaces Arginine in the body.
3) The body can make it's own Arginine but can't make Lysine,
soooo....
4) the body hordes lysine whenever it's made available. The more
Lysine it hoards, the more arginine it simultaneously displaces
5) Once the body has little or no arginine, HSV can't replicate.
...... at least that's the theory.
Tom writes:
>after taking it from times when
>I wasn't taking it, has brought on the blisters, so maybe that's what you
>are referring to?
hmm... not sure what you mean. But what I meant was, according to a
few people I've talked with, taking Lysine daily over a period of time
seemed to increase the frequency of their outbreaks during that time.
Then their outbreak frequency would lessen when they stopped taking
Lysine. Granted, that's anecdotal from an extremely small sample so
take it for what it's worth.
>I heard that 1000 mg is maintenance and 2000-3000 is for use in prevention.
Sounds like a good consensus. That's what's on a couple of reliable
sites. And I've also seen that toxicity levels haven't been
scientifically determined.
>As far as arginine...well lets put it this way...if I have chocolate, coffee
>and nuts I will almost certainly have an outbreak
It's a trigger for lots of folks. Wish all triggers had a antidote as
simple as Lysine.
M2
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<M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:psgd81tlq5emh06pvhj5220b4elbk5jm56@4ax.com...
> Just re-read my post and realize it sounded a bit on the negative
> side. Sorry about that. Sometimes it just doesn't come out the way
> it's supposed to. Obviously, Lysine works for quite a few people.
No problem, I didnt take it in a negative way.
>
> I went to a seminar a couple of years ago and heard the lady who wrote
> the book (literally. She was selling the books at the seminar) on
> Lysine/Arginine ratios and its effect on herpes. She's a nurse and had
> done quite a bit of research on the subject. Anyhow, the theory on why
> Lysine works, if I recall correctly, is as follows:
> 1) HSV needs arginine to replicate
> 2) Lysine displaces Arginine in the body.
> 3) The body can make it's own Arginine but can't make Lysine,
> soooo....
> 4) the body hordes lysine whenever it's made available. The more
> Lysine it hoards, the more arginine it simultaneously displaces
> 5) Once the body has little or no arginine, HSV can't replicate.
> ..... at least that's the theory.
>
That's probably why after taking Lysine the symptoms are more mild from what
I still get. If the herpes cannot replicate it doesn't cause move through
the nerves and doesn't cause the nerve irritations and pain. Don't get me
wrong, even while taking 2000 mg per day I still get symptoms and have
outbreaks, but the symptoms are more bearable. Instead of being in all out
pain and aching in the thighs, lower back and extreme itching and throbbing
sensations, I am feeling a little more comfortable, but I can still feel it
happing. I guess I am one of those people that has severe herpes pain,
because I have alot of pain almost all the time, like a constant reminder,
but with the Lysine its not as bad.
Tom
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