Attention deficit support - vaccine safety -- collusion and destruction of data

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vaccine safety -- collusion and destruction of data

nogggin

2005-05-27, 5:53 pm

As someone on the autism spectrum myself, self diagnosed with
Aspergers, and with a child who, at three years of age, was thought by
her GI specialist to be possibly autistic (she's not), I can't
believe that I have only just recently stumbled upon the vaccine
controversy. What a marvelous job the mainstream media has done with
ignoring this.

I made it through David Kirby's book Evidence of Harm. It was
difficult. I could only read a few pages at a time without shaking with
anger. I then took my child, sixteen years old now, to her
pediatrician, with a list a page long of symptoms she has or has had
consistent with mercury poisoning. He handed me the American Academy of
Pediatrics statement dated May 18, 2004, patted me on the head, said
not to worry, "she has no symptoms of mercury poisoning", and told
me she seems depressed and would probably do better if she took more of
an interest in her appearance.

When I got home I realized that the AAP statement he'd printed out
for me wasn't legible. Although all of the ads down the side of the
pages printed nicely, the last few words of each line of text were
missing. So I went immediately back to his office. I said to him "you
know, doctor, the information that I printed out for you, from the
Autism Research Institute, if you had wanted to read it, you would have
been able to. I can't read this print out that you gave me." He
apologized nicely and then we talked some more. I asked him if all of
the different websites I looked at, from all of the different sources
that described mercury poisoning symptoms were wrong. He said no, but
that her symptoms were non-specific. Meaning, he said, that they could
be caused by other things. So then I asked him why we were testing for
those other things, but not testing for mercury levels. All he could do
was point to the AAP statement.

When I got home again I decided that I would send him a copy of the
Office of Special Counsel press release dated just two days later than
the May 18, 2004 AAP statement. The one calling for Congress to further
investigate evidence of collusion and data destruction. Apparently
what research my child's pediatrician did into the matter stopped on
May 19. Or else, he didn't feel that I would be interested to know
that the OSC called for further investigation by Congress on May 20,
2004.

I have been following austim research somewhat since I was in college,
decades ago. I know that Bernard Rimland, of ARI, was commenting long
long ago about how odd it seemed that the government wasn't looking
into what seemed to him to be the more promising areas of research.
That, in so many words, it seemed almost as tho they didn't want to
look.

But I have given up with expecting the mainstream media to cover this
story. Data disappears, studies are paid for with taxpayer dollars that
show an obvious and direct conflict of interest, and nothing is done
about any of this. It is all swept under the rug and forgotten. Imus
does a series of spots on his morning show last March, and then nothing
further. It seems as tho anyone who takes an interest in this story
looses interest inexplicably. Even though nothing is done, and no one
is held accountable.

What I have decided is that Americans aren't going to care about any
of this until they realize they might have to be concerned about their
own children. The powers that be are so very concerned about the public
reaction to their vaccine program. I say it is time to hit them where
it hurts. I have taken to placing copies of the OSC press release on
Thimerosal in various public places. Public libraries, recreation
centers, daycare centers, health maintenance organizations, malls. My
particular favorite site to leave copies is inside of baby changing
stations in public restrooms everywhere I go. (I call this my nuclear
option.) A copy of this document, the OSC press release on Thimerosal,
can be printed from this website:

http://www.osc.gov/documents/press/2004/pr04_07.htm

I am also attaching a note at the end of each flier calling for other
people who have an interest or concerns about the matter to do the
same. As just one person, in just one place, I don't believe that my
actions will have much affect. That is why I am asking others to help
me.

Please, please, PLEASE don't wait for this story to be covered in the
mainstream media. It won't be. There are too many dollars flowing in
from the pharmaceutical companies. And too many politicians getting too
much money from the pharmaceutical industry. Perhaps there is nothing
to the story, and there is no connection. But the matter needs to be
looked at by independent parties. No more FDA and CDC and vaccine
makers saying "no causal link". Congress can not be allowed to
sweep this under the rug.

There are websites all over the internet. But it is only the people who
already know about this who look at them. Other people need to be told.
People who have young children who could have been affected, people who
have grandchildren who may have been affected. I am on the spectrum,
self diagnosed admittedly, but solidly on the spectrum, and I only
recently became aware of this controversy! This won't be brought to
the attention of others on their television or radio programs. Please,
do what you can to help bring this to people's attention in your
local communities. Make some prints of the OSC press release on
Thimerosal dated May 20, 2004. Post them. Ten, twenty, thirty, whatever
you can do will help.

J. Clarke

2005-05-27, 5:53 pm

nogggin wrote:

> As someone on the autism spectrum myself, self diagnosed with
> Aspergers, and with a child who, at three years of age, was thought by
> her GI specialist to be possibly autistic (she's not), I can't
> believe that I have only just recently stumbled upon the vaccine
> controversy. What a marvelous job the mainstream media has done with
> ignoring this.
>
> I made it through David Kirby's book Evidence of Harm. It was
> difficult. I could only read a few pages at a time without shaking with
> anger. I then took my child, sixteen years old now, to her
> pediatrician, with a list a page long of symptoms she has or has had
> consistent with mercury poisoning. He handed me the American Academy of
> Pediatrics statement dated May 18, 2004, patted me on the head, said
> not to worry, "she has no symptoms of mercury poisoning", and told
> me she seems depressed and would probably do better if she took more of
> an interest in her appearance.
>
> When I got home I realized that the AAP statement he'd printed out
> for me wasn't legible. Although all of the ads down the side of the
> pages printed nicely, the last few words of each line of text were
> missing. So I went immediately back to his office. I said to him "you
> know, doctor, the information that I printed out for you, from the
> Autism Research Institute, if you had wanted to read it, you would have
> been able to. I can't read this print out that you gave me." He
> apologized nicely and then we talked some more. I asked him if all of
> the different websites I looked at, from all of the different sources
> that described mercury poisoning symptoms were wrong. He said no, but
> that her symptoms were non-specific. Meaning, he said, that they could
> be caused by other things. So then I asked him why we were testing for
> those other things, but not testing for mercury levels. All he could do
> was point to the AAP statement.

If you're concerned about mercury levels from vaccines, you might want to
consider that any test given now is not going to show a high level--the
level is only high compared to a newborne's body weight, and even there
it's at worst pretty close to the EPA guideline, which is generally about a
tenth of the lowest level that has ever been documented to cause a problem.

The trouble with "mercury poisoning symptoms" is that you don't diagnose a
medical condition just by a list of symptoms. You diagnose by the symptoms
that are consistent with one condition but are different from those of
another condition. So what symptoms are present that would indicate
mercury toxicity and _only_ mercury toxicity?

In any case you can get a mercury level test performed yourself for 25
bucks, so why not do it? Google "mercury level testing" and you'll get
several hits.

> When I got home again I decided that I would send him a copy of the
> Office of Special Counsel press release dated just two days later than
> the May 18, 2004 AAP statement. The one calling for Congress to further
> investigate evidence of collusion and data destruction. Apparently
> what research my child's pediatrician did into the matter stopped on
> May 19. Or else, he didn't feel that I would be interested to know
> that the OSC called for further investigation by Congress on May 20,
> 2004.

Or else he's more interested in scientific evidence than in some lawyer's
posturing.

> I have been following austim research somewhat since I was in college,
> decades ago. I know that Bernard Rimland, of ARI, was commenting long
> long ago about how odd it seemed that the government wasn't looking
> into what seemed to him to be the more promising areas of research.
> That, in so many words, it seemed almost as tho they didn't want to
> look.
>
> But I have given up with expecting the mainstream media to cover this
> story. Data disappears, studies are paid for with taxpayer dollars that
> show an obvious and direct conflict of interest, and nothing is done
> about any of this. It is all swept under the rug and forgotten. Imus
> does a series of spots on his morning show last March, and then nothing
> further. It seems as tho anyone who takes an interest in this story
> looses interest inexplicably. Even though nothing is done, and no one
> is held accountable.

Maybe because when they investigate it turns out that there's no story?

> What I have decided is that Americans aren't going to care about any
> of this until they realize they might have to be concerned about their
> own children. The powers that be are so very concerned about the public
> reaction to their vaccine program. I say it is time to hit them where
> it hurts. I have taken to placing copies of the OSC press release on
> Thimerosal in various public places. Public libraries, recreation
> centers, daycare centers, health maintenance organizations, malls. My
> particular favorite site to leave copies is inside of baby changing
> stations in public restrooms everywhere I go. (I call this my nuclear
> option.) A copy of this document, the OSC press release on Thimerosal,
> can be printed from this website:
>
> http://www.osc.gov/documents/press/2004/pr04_07.htm
>
> I am also attaching a note at the end of each flier calling for other
> people who have an interest or concerns about the matter to do the
> same. As just one person, in just one place, I don't believe that my
> actions will have much affect. That is why I am asking others to help
> me.

Seems to me that the pharmaceutical companies stand to gain a great deal
from PUBLISHING any findings that show that existing stocks of vaccines
need to be tossed and new ones with different preservatives substituted.
Big windfall for them there.

> Please, please, PLEASE don't wait for this story to be covered in the
> mainstream media. It won't be. There are too many dollars flowing in
> from the pharmaceutical companies.

Flowing into where, the mainstream media?

> And too many politicians getting too
> much money from the pharmaceutical industry.

Which politicians and how much are they getting?

> Perhaps there is nothing
> to the story, and there is no connection. But the matter needs to be
> looked at by independent parties. No more FDA and CDC and vaccine
> makers saying "no causal link". Congress can not be allowed to
> sweep this under the rug.
>
> There are websites all over the internet.

Yes there are.

> But it is only the people who
> already know about this who look at them.

Which sounds like nuts reading other nuts to me.

> Other people need to be told.
> People who have young children who could have been affected, people who
> have grandchildren who may have been affected. I am on the spectrum,
> self diagnosed admittedly, but solidly on the spectrum, and I only
> recently became aware of this controversy! This won't be brought to
> the attention of others on their television or radio programs. Please,
> do what you can to help bring this to people's attention in your
> local communities. Make some prints of the OSC press release on
> Thimerosal dated May 20, 2004. Post them. Ten, twenty, thirty, whatever
> you can do will help.

Sorry, but I'm not going to post copies of a letter from some lawyer that he
backs up with zero evidence. Show me numbers, or show me solid evidence of
a coverup, then maybe I'll be interested. In the meantime this is coming
across as just one more nutcake conspiracy theory.

I'm sorry if I seem unsympathetic but that's the way I feel.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

george of the jungle

2005-05-27, 5:53 pm

On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:48:27 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote:

>nogggin wrote:
.. Please,
>
>Sorry, but I'm not going to post copies of a letter from some lawyer that he
>backs up with zero evidence. Show me numbers, or show me solid evidence of
>a coverup, then maybe I'll be interested. In the meantime this is coming
>across as just one more nutcake conspiracy theory.
>
>I'm sorry if I seem unsympathetic but that's the way I feel.

Without solid evidence it's nothing but shouting. Does any one know
why a mercury based preservative is used in some vaccines?

_g

Mark Probert

2005-05-27, 5:53 pm

george of the jungle wrote:
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 14:48:27 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> . Please,
>
>
>
> Without solid evidence it's nothing but shouting. Does any one know
> why a mercury based preservative is used in some vaccines?

Thimerosal was used in vaccines where they wanted to have multi-dose
distribution to prevent cross-contamination. It was used in extremely
small amounts, and has been removed from all childhood vaccines for a
few years.

There is no reason why any child still should have a vaccination using
it. However, in countries where the removal was done years ago, the
autism rates have not changed, i.e. gone down. Just the contrary. See:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.o...t/112/3/604.pdf

http://www.pkids.org/AMJPRMED.pdf

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/do...journalCode=cch

george of the jungle

2005-05-27, 5:53 pm

On Sun, 22 May 2005 19:53:12 -0400, Mark Probert
<markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

>Twittering One wrote:
>
>The claims by the OP were regarding a connection between Thimerosal and
>AS. Denmark removed Thimerosal around a decade ago, and the rates kept
>rising. The other claim, that MMR causes AS was also debunked when 70%
>of the researchers said that one of the researhers hoodwinked them

Which only proves that he was a fraud and a crook. The rubella
vaccine is utterly unnecessary for young children yet is given because
it is easy to do at that time. My wife got the vaccine as an adult
and suffered muscular weakness for a few weeks. A variety of vaccine
reactions are possible so it is imperative that there be a benefit to
the individual to get the vaccine.

Small children are given rubella vaccine to lower the probability that
pregnant women will get rubella. IMO, that's unethical and bad
medicine because it subjects the child to possible harm with no
benefit.

>since
>he was on the payroll of the class action lawyers.
>
>This is not to say that AS does not have clusters, etc. However, the
>evidence strongly looks like it is nearly 100% genetic.

Refs.?

_g

Mark Probert

2005-05-28, 8:53 am

george of the jungle wrote:
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 19:53:12 -0400, Mark Probert
> <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Which only proves that he was a fraud and a crook. The rubella
> vaccine is utterly unnecessary for young children yet is given because
> it is easy to do at that time. My wife got the vaccine as an adult
> and suffered muscular weakness for a few weeks. A variety of vaccine
> reactions are possible so it is imperative that there be a benefit to
> the individual to get the vaccine.
>
> Small children are given rubella vaccine to lower the probability that
> pregnant women will get rubella. IMO, that's unethical and bad
> medicine because it subjects the child to possible harm with no
> benefit.
>
>
>
>
> Refs.?

None off the top of my head. However, Google Scholar has lots:

http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaP...s=doi1116856522

Psychol Med. 1995 Jan;25(1):63-77. Related Articles, Links

Autism as a strongly genetic disorder: evidence from a British twin
study.

Bailey A, Le Couteur A, Gottesman I, Bolton P, Simonoff E, Yuzda E,
Rutter M.

MRC Child Psychiatry Unit, Institute of Psychiatry, London.

Two previous epidemiological studies of autistic twins suggested
that autism was predominantly genetically determined, although the
findings with regard to a broader phenotype of cognitive, and possibly
social, abnormalities were contradictory. Obstetric and perinatal
hazards were also invoked as environmentally determined aetiological
factors. The first British twin sample has been re-examined and a second
total population sample of autistic twins recruited. In the combined
sample 60% of monozygotic (MZ) pairs were concordant for autism versus
no dizygotic (DZ) pairs; 92% of MZ pairs were concordant for a broader
spectrum of related cognitive or social abnormalities versus 10% of DZ
pairs. The findings indicate that autism is under a high degree of
genetic control and suggest the involvement of multiple genetic loci.
Obstetric hazards usually appear to be consequences of genetically
influenced abnormal development, rather than independent aetiological
factors. Few new cases had possible medical aetiologies, refuting claims
that recognized disorders are common aetiological influences.

another:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Citation

bob_jenkins@burtleburtle.net

2005-05-29, 8:52 am

Mark Probert wrote:
> nogggin wrote:
>
> If you had been reading the newspapers, watching television, going to book
> stores, etc. you would not be saying that.
>
> However, the "connection" between vaccinations and autism is utter
> bullshit. The connection between thimerosal and autism is utter
> bullshit. Whole countries have stopped using it, and have found no
> change in the incidence of Autism.
>
> The book you refer to is crap.
>

The US has stopped producing vaccines with thimerosal, but it hasn't
stopped using the vaccines it already has. If it were thimerosal, it
would start being clear in the US just this year.

However, it's clearly not thimerosal. The convincing study isn't the
US, it's Britain. Quoting
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/conc...himerosal.htm#9

<begin quote>

9. Great Britain experienced a rapid rise in autism among
children born in the 1980's and early 1990's. Could this be due to
thimerosal in vaccines?

It is unlikely that the rapid increase in autism cases in the UK
was due to thimerosal. The only vaccine in the UK's childhood
immunization program that contains thimerosal is DTP. All other
vaccines (OPV, BCG, MMR, Hib, menC) added to the program since the
1950's are and have always been thimerosal free. In addition, if
thimerosal in vaccines were causing autism, we would expect to see a
simultaneous increase in both thimerosal exposure and autism cases.
However, from the 1950's on, there was no increase in the amount of
thimerosal UK children were receiving from vaccines, yet there was a
jump in autism cases in the 1980's.

A significant change in the UK's program did occur in 1990 when
they accelerated their immunization schedule so vaccines would be given
earlier (changed from 3, 5, and 8 months to 2, 3 and 4 months).
However, the rate of autism was rising long before this change occurred
(see Fombonne, 2001).

<end quote>

Which makes you wonder what happened to the rate of autism in England
in 1990. Here's the appropriate chart for that:
http://www.autisme.net/vacci-explosion.html
The rate did go up for children born 1989-1991, but the rate of
increase is the same as from 1987-1989. So the change in vaccine
schedule doesn't look very relevant either.