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| Vashti 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
| Heya guys,
One of my children's friends came to play today and at 3pm he had to
take his meds... he's got ADD so I was surprised he had a little blue
pill, turns out he's been prescribed codeine for his ADD.
I've not heard of this before, have any of you? His father says it helps
and without side-effects too apart from some higher blood-pressure
spikes in the first few weeks.
Is this an unusual treatment or am I just the last in the know?
Vashti
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| Jess Askin 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
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"J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:chkpf0021iu@news2.newsguy.com...
> Vashti wrote:
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>
> Unusual. Based on erroneous assumptions by the physician I suspect.
Unless the codeine is for something else. I'm pretty sure doctors aren't
supposed to prescribe it over long periods of time for any reason.
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| Emma Chase VanCott 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
| Jess Askin <spamless@dontbother.com> wrote:
: "Vashti" <vashti_nl@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:20040909113738.2b54c1be@linux.local...
: > It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Jess Askin wrote:
: >
: > > Unless the codeine is for something else. I'm pretty sure doctors
: > > aren't supposed to prescribe it over long periods of time for any
: > > reason.
: >
: > The codeine was prescribed to help the child concentrate, he takes it 3x
: > per day the last dose at 3pm.
: >
: > I also thought codeine wasn't supposed to be prescribed for longer
: > periods but can't recall if that was to prevent it losing it's effect or
: > because of a risk of dependency.
: I've always had the impression that codeine was highly addictive. A quick
: Google search shows no references to its use as a treatment for ADHD. I'm
: not a health professional, but if this were my kid, I'd get a second opinion
: pronto.
Low-potency opiates/opioids can be used before bedtime for RLS/PLMD
a.k.a. "Restless Leg Syndrome" or "Periodic Limb Movement Disorder".
(This is a disruptive sleep disorder that some ADD/ADHDers can exhibit).
Sleep disorders are being more frequently associated with ADD/ADHD. Sleep
apnea, in particular.
PLMD is diagnosed by a sleep study (polysomnography).
Emma
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| Vashti 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
| It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Emma Chase VanCott wrote:
> Vashti <vashti_nl@hotmail.com> wrote:
> : Heya guys,
>
> : One of my children's friends came to play today and at 3pm he had to
> : take his meds... he's got ADD so I was surprised he had a little
> blue: pill, turns out he's been prescribed codeine for his ADD.
>
> I have taken if for the stimulant medication "side effects". 
>
> Cheaper than Immodium.
I've heard of Immodium but don't know what it is so I'm not sure which
side effects of stimulant medication codeine would help.
Vashti
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| Vashti 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
| It wasn't a dark and stormy night when J. Clarke wrote:
> Unusual. Based on erroneous assumptions by the physician I suspect.
His doc(don't know what kind of doc) told them Ritalin wasn't helpful
for ADD, just for AD_H_D. I'm trying to remember the time I was
prescribed codeine for a short while and how it effected me but for the
life of me can't recall being better able to concentrate which is what
the child's father said it did.
Vashti
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| Vashti 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
| It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Katherine Wolfe wrote:
> Non-time-release Adderall 10's are a small blue pill.
Another ADHD medication that isn't available here yet... you lucky
people having so many alternatives to try!
Vashti
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| Vashti 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
| It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Jess Askin wrote:
> Unless the codeine is for something else. I'm pretty sure doctors
> aren't supposed to prescribe it over long periods of time for any
> reason.
The codeine was prescribed to help the child concentrate, he takes it 3x
per day the last dose at 3pm.
I also thought codeine wasn't supposed to be prescribed for longer
periods but can't recall if that was to prevent it losing it's effect or
because of a risk of dependency.
Vashti
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| Vashti 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
| It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Bob Kaplow wrote:
> Pill or capsule? Strattera is a small blue capsule.
It was a pill, Strattera isn't available here in the Netherlands... in
fact we've only had Concerta here for just under a year. His father did
say it was codeine.
Vashti
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| Sumbuny 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
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"Vashti" <vashti_nl@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:20040909112838.38094ac9@linux.local...
> It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Emma Chase VanCott wrote:
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>
> I've heard of Immodium but don't know what it is so I'm not sure which
> side effects of stimulant medication codeine would help.
I was surprised that someone else had these symptoms (though mine do not
seem to be consistant--some days are worse than others, but I am on a
relatively small dose). Immodium is the brand name for Loperamide (which
can be ought generically):
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/...er/a682280.html
Buny
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| nknisley 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
| Vashti wrote:
> It wasn't a dark and stormy night when J. Clarke wrote:
>
>
>
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> His doc(don't know what kind of doc) told them Ritalin wasn't helpful
> for ADD
There are a number of studies that have found that methylphenidate was
helpful for ADHD inattentive.
Sounds like this doctor woefully uneducated about ADHD.
> just for AD_H_D. I'm trying to remember the time I was
> prescribed codeine for a short while and how it effected me but for the
> life of me can't recall being better able to concentrate which is what
> the child's father said it did.
In all the reading I've done about ADHD, I've never come across a
mention that I can recall of codeine's being prescribed for ADHD.
Seems to me that codeine which can produce brain fog and sedation, is
precisely the kind of med that would make ADHD inattentive symptoms worse.
Nancy
Unique, like everyone else
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| Jess Askin 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
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"Vashti" <vashti_nl@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:20040909113738.2b54c1be@linux.local...
> It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Jess Askin wrote:
>
>
> The codeine was prescribed to help the child concentrate, he takes it 3x
> per day the last dose at 3pm.
>
> I also thought codeine wasn't supposed to be prescribed for longer
> periods but can't recall if that was to prevent it losing it's effect or
> because of a risk of dependency.
I've always had the impression that codeine was highly addictive. A quick
Google search shows no references to its use as a treatment for ADHD. I'm
not a health professional, but if this were my kid, I'd get a second opinion
pronto.
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| Katherine Wolfe 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
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"nknisley" <MothWrangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Jb70d.1$%6.367@news.abs.net...
> Seems to me that codeine which can produce brain fog and sedation, is
> precisely the kind of med that would make ADHD inattentive symptoms worse.
I ruptured a disk in my lower back in 1992, and I ended up on a really high
dose of codeine pain meds. I can tell you that it *definitely* makes my ADD
worse! I would prefer to not take codeine if I can avoid it, because it
makes me so stupid I can scarcely stand to be around myself. I'm frankly
astonished that anyone would prescribe it for Inattentive ADD.
Katherine
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| Vashti 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
| It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Katherine Wolfe wrote:
>
> "nknisley" <MothWrangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Jb70d.1$%6.367@news.abs.net...
>
>
> I ruptured a disk in my lower back in 1992, and I ended up on a really
> high dose of codeine pain meds. I can tell you that it *definitely*
> makes my ADD worse! I would prefer to not take codeine if I can avoid
> it, because it makes me so stupid I can scarcely stand to be around
> myself. I'm frankly astonished that anyone would prescribe it for
> Inattentive ADD.
There, that's what I thought too! Muscle relaxants do the same to me and
I think codeine did too but to a lesser extent with the low dose I was
using. Next time I get the chance I'll double check I heard the father
correctly.
Vashti
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| Emma Chase VanCott 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
| Jess Askin <spamless@dontbother.com> wrote:
: "Vashti" <vashti_nl@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:20040909113738.2b54c1be@linux.local...
: > It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Jess Askin wrote:
: >
: > > Unless the codeine is for something else. I'm pretty sure doctors
: > > aren't supposed to prescribe it over long periods of time for any
: > > reason.
: >
: > The codeine was prescribed to help the child concentrate, he takes it 3x
: > per day the last dose at 3pm.
: >
: > I also thought codeine wasn't supposed to be prescribed for longer
: > periods but can't recall if that was to prevent it losing it's effect or
: > because of a risk of dependency.
: I've always had the impression that codeine was highly addictive. A quick
: Google search shows no references to its use as a treatment for ADHD. I'm
: not a health professional, but if this were my kid, I'd get a second opinion
: pronto.
Low-potency opiates/opioids can be used before bedtime for RLS/PLMD
a.k.a. "Restless Leg Syndrome" or "Periodic Limb Movement Disorder".
(This is a disruptive sleep disorder that some ADD/ADHDers can exhibit).
Sleep disorders are being more frequently associated with ADD/ADHD. Sleep
apnea, in particular.
PLMD is diagnosed by a sleep study (polysomnography).
Emma
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| george of the jungle 2004-09-21, 3:15 am |
| On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:12:06 -0400, nknisley
<MothWrangler@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Vashti wrote:
>
>There are a number of studies that have found that methylphenidate was
>helpful for ADHD inattentive.
>
>Sounds like this doctor woefully uneducated about ADHD.
>
>
>In all the reading I've done about ADHD, I've never come across a
>mention that I can recall of codeine's being prescribed for ADHD.
>
>Seems to me that codeine which can produce brain fog and sedation, is
>precisely the kind of med that would make ADHD inattentive symptoms worse.
>
>
>Nancy
Yup. An addled, addicted kid.
_g
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| The Brown Family 2004-09-21, 3:16 am |
| Mmmmm, I have codeine for my migraines. If anything I would think it would
make you not be hyperactive, in that you could stay on task BECAUSE you are
in a fog.
I am going to pay attention to how I feel next time I have to take it and am
able to function.
Cheryl B.
"nknisley" <MothWrangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Jb70d.1$%6.367@news.abs.net...
> Vashti wrote:
>
> There are a number of studies that have found that methylphenidate was
> helpful for ADHD inattentive.
>
> Sounds like this doctor woefully uneducated about ADHD.
>
>
> In all the reading I've done about ADHD, I've never come across a
> mention that I can recall of codeine's being prescribed for ADHD.
>
> Seems to me that codeine which can produce brain fog and sedation, is
> precisely the kind of med that would make ADHD inattentive symptoms worse.
>
>
> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else
>
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