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| My wife saw an audibel hearing specialist who
wanted to sell her (one ear 60% loss) one ITC that
was about $2100 we went to an audiologist and he
set us up with an Infinity Pro CIC (nicer for my
wife and her vanity) from Siemens and his total
cost with visit, fitting aid and a yrs worth of
batteries is $975 - just seemed alot less but
wasnt sure why really - maybe the audibel stuff is
overpriced or is it better stuff or what?.
Don't know much about either company in terms of
quality or whatnot i think audibels stuff is
starkey from what I was reading... and I have read
always go to an audiologist vs a hearing
specialist but im sure that too varies depending
on the quality of either...
Gonna give this siemens infinity pro a try (first
time getting an aid for her) just curious on
feedback of this unit price or performance good or
bad..
The one reason besides price to try the siemens is
the return fee is only $75 for the audiologists,
for the audibel return fee it was 15% of the
product cost so well over $300 just to return it -
that seemed fishy(hearing specialists return
fees)...
Thanks for any info from those who have been thru
all this, its all new to us so we are learning as
we go, just hoping this helps her out....
Bill 
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| Serpent 2005-05-18, 10:53 am |
| On Fri, 13 May 2005 11:32:53 -0500, "Bill" <FTLOSM@atmyplace.com>
wrote:
>My wife saw an audibel hearing specialist who
>wanted to sell her (one ear 60% loss) one ITC that
>was about $2100 we went to an audiologist and he
>set us up with an Infinity Pro CIC (nicer for my
>wife and her vanity) from Siemens and his total
>cost with visit, fitting aid and a yrs worth of
>batteries is $975 - just seemed alot less but
>wasnt sure why really - maybe the audibel stuff is
>overpriced or is it better stuff or what?.
>
<<Snip>>
Greetings!
Could you be a little more specific for the "60% loss"?
As an example, I have a steep drop above 2K of -65 to around -70 dB. I
asked my Second audiologist for CIC's, and she said "No Way". That I
needed the more powerful BTE to allow me to hear the best I can. And,
I have been hearing happily ever since! :-)
That would just be one item I would suggest you might check on.
Best Regards,
Serpent
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| "Serpent" <ttt@none.com> wrote in message
news:2l3a81t78s8se6l60ua10ic7jlbfk23mul@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 13 May 2005 11:32:53 -0500, "Bill" <FTLOSM@atmyplace.com>
> wrote:
>
> <<Snip>>
>
> Greetings!
>
> Could you be a little more specific for the "60% loss"?
>
> As an example, I have a steep drop above 2K of -65 to around -70 dB. I
> asked my Second audiologist for CIC's, and she said "No Way". That I
> needed the more powerful BTE to allow me to hear the best I can. And,
> I have been hearing happily ever since! :-)
>
> That would just be one item I would suggest you might check on.
>
> Best Regards,
> Serpent
Don't you love it when folks state they have a % hearing loss. I'm baffled
often, if this is the audiologist telling people this or the audie says you
have
a 60dB loss and they misinterpret it to 60%.
rk
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|
> Don't you love it when folks state they have a %
hearing loss. I'm baffled
> often, if this is the audiologist telling people
this or the audie says you
> have
> a 60dB loss and they misinterpret it to 60%.
>
> rk
In all fairness it wasn't the audiologist who said
flat out %60 hearing loss, it was me repeating
part of what I remember him telling her, and the
60% loss part I remember was on the high frequency
end of the spectrum but i don't have that sheet in
front of me to give specifics. I am sure any
misunderstandings in the actual loss rates or
frequencies are my own for not writing it all down
properly to pass onto you guys...
He as an audiologist said this unit (infinity pro)
was a good one to start out with and try based on
many happy patients and based on her needs from
the testing so I am hoping all in all she adapts
to it well and that it is a good product.
I was just asking if siemens infinity pro CIC aids
are decent quality and if $975 out the door with
fittings etc was an ok price range as my wife and
I both have no experience with hearing aids in
anyway, the hearing specialist guy seemed a bit
shady selling only one product with a high (to me
high) return fee (over $300 if it didnt work) the
audiologist here carries many brands and said no
fees to switch to find one that does work for you
till we get the right product and the right fit,
(only fee would be if we walked away and wanted
our money back there was a $75 fee for their
office visits/the time it took to make the ear
mold etc), that to me seemed VERY fair and the
option of other products seemed good to know too
so we went that route (ordered up the infinity
pro) but was hoping to get some input as to if it
is a good company product price etc...
Bill
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| Bill wrote:
>
> hearing loss. I'm baffled
>
>
> this or the audie says you
>
>
>
> In all fairness it wasn't the audiologist who said
> flat out %60 hearing loss, it was me repeating
> part of what I remember him telling her, and the
> 60% loss part I remember was on the high frequency
> end of the spectrum but i don't have that sheet in
> front of me to give specifics. I am sure any
> misunderstandings in the actual loss rates or
> frequencies are my own for not writing it all down
> properly to pass onto you guys...
>
> He as an audiologist said this unit (infinity pro)
> was a good one to start out with and try based on
> many happy patients and based on her needs from
> the testing so I am hoping all in all she adapts
> to it well and that it is a good product.
>
> I was just asking if siemens infinity pro CIC aids
> are decent quality and if $975 out the door with
> fittings etc was an ok price range as my wife and
> I both have no experience with hearing aids in
> anyway, the hearing specialist guy seemed a bit
> shady selling only one product with a high (to me
> high) return fee (over $300 if it didnt work) the
> audiologist here carries many brands and said no
> fees to switch to find one that does work for you
> till we get the right product and the right fit,
> (only fee would be if we walked away and wanted
> our money back there was a $75 fee for their
> office visits/the time it took to make the ear
> mold etc), that to me seemed VERY fair and the
> option of other products seemed good to know too
> so we went that route (ordered up the infinity
> pro) but was hoping to get some input as to if it
> is a good company product price etc...
>
> Bill
>
>
I think most most modern programmable aids will work fine. The weak link
is the person doing the programing and the quality of service. That the
fitter is not trying to gouge you is a plus. It sounds like you're
feeling that you're paying less that you should? It the aids don't work
well, you're paying too much. Good luck!
David
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| RK wrote:
> "Serpent" <ttt@none.com> wrote in message
> news:2l3a81t78s8se6l60ua10ic7jlbfk23mul@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> Don't you love it when folks state they have a % hearing loss. I'm baffled
> often, if this is the audiologist telling people this or the audie says you
> have
> a 60dB loss and they misinterpret it to 60%.
>
> rk
>
>
Most people aren't able to give a good description of their hearing
loss. Should they? Does this matter?
Why get hung up on a person's audiogram anyway? Are we prescribing
hearing aids? Ain't that the audiologist's job? Don't you need more than
someone's pure-tone response to do a proper fitting?
David
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| Serpent 2005-05-18, 10:53 am |
| On Sat, 14 May 2005 20:38:44 GMT, dsi1 <dsi123nospam@verizon.net>
wrote:
>
>Most people aren't able to give a good description of their hearing
>loss. Should they? Does this matter?
>
>Why get hung up on a person's audiogram anyway? Are we prescribing
>hearing aids? Ain't that the audiologist's job? Don't you need more than
>someone's pure-tone response to do a proper fitting?
>
>David
Greetings,
You go to an audiologist. You get a hearing test, and get an
audiogram. The hearing loss test results (that you own, so you DO have
a copy) should be right in front of you. Why shouldn't you be able to
describe what is on the sheet of paper? Yes, it does matter.
We are not prescribing hearing aids. Some audiologists are
incompetent, many are good. The audiologist can make, or break your
hearing experience with any particular pair of tunable aids.
I went to an ENT doctor, and then his audiologist, who's only criteria
was, "OK, which pair do you want"?
I fired that audiologist, went to another, whom after a hearing exam,
sat and talked with me for two hours, with no pressure for a purchase,
and no charge.
I had wanted a pair of CIC's, and specified a brand. After looking at
my audiogram, she assured me that with my degree of loss, that the
CIC's would not be powerful enough, and that I needed a more powerful
BTE model.
She was very familiar with programming the Siemens BTE Triano 3P's,
and assured me that with this particular model, and her experience,
that would allow me to hear the best that I could.
The hearing loss profile is an important starting point, and can
ultimately determine what type of aid you will need. My audiologist
did not adjust to the hearing loss profile, but instead, in the very
beginning, modified it to "what most people say sound best". But...
it is a starting point. Three (free) visits later, I was set, and have
been happily hearing ever since.
Getting a hearing aid, and being able to hear the best that you may,
is a partnership, with effort required with both you, and the
audiologist. I think that the more educated and aware of your degree
of hearing loss, and hearing loss profile...the more likely you will
be able to have a successful end result.
Best Regards,
Serpent
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| ardway 2005-05-18, 10:53 am |
| It's always sad to read Serpent's posts. He is so full of anger. He
"fires" audiologists, he "owns" his audiogram. Maybe the problem isn't
always a dispenser's fault. I expect most of the fault is his own, a
despair resulting from his hearing loss.
Somebody else must always be to blame, I guess.
Get over it, Snake. Grow up.
Ardway
Serpent wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> You go to an audiologist. You get a hearing test, and get an
> audiogram. The hearing loss test results (that you own, so you DO have
> a copy) should be right in front of you. Why shouldn't you be able to
> describe what is on the sheet of paper? Yes, it does matter.
>
> We are not prescribing hearing aids. Some audiologists are
> incompetent, many are good. The audiologist can make, or break your
> hearing experience with any particular pair of tunable aids.
>
> I went to an ENT doctor, and then his audiologist, who's only criteria
> was, "OK, which pair do you want"?
>
> I fired that audiologist, went to another, whom after a hearing exam,
> sat and talked with me for two hours, with no pressure for a purchase,
> and no charge.
>
> I had wanted a pair of CIC's, and specified a brand. After looking at
> my audiogram, she assured me that with my degree of loss, that the
> CIC's would not be powerful enough, and that I needed a more powerful
> BTE model.
>
> She was very familiar with programming the Siemens BTE Triano 3P's,
> and assured me that with this particular model, and her experience,
> that would allow me to hear the best that I could.
>
> The hearing loss profile is an important starting point, and can
> ultimately determine what type of aid you will need. My audiologist
> did not adjust to the hearing loss profile, but instead, in the very
> beginning, modified it to "what most people say sound best". But...
> it is a starting point. Three (free) visits later, I was set, and have
> been happily hearing ever since.
>
> Getting a hearing aid, and being able to hear the best that you may,
> is a partnership, with effort required with both you, and the
> audiologist. I think that the more educated and aware of your degree
> of hearing loss, and hearing loss profile...the more likely you will
> be able to have a successful end result.
>
> Best Regards,
> Serpent
| |
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| "Serpent" <ttt@none.com> wrote in message
news:p2pc81pg8p9dll3d7qukporpm2ulp1ie4q@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 14 May 2005 20:38:44 GMT, dsi1 <dsi123nospam@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> You go to an audiologist. You get a hearing test, and get an
> audiogram. The hearing loss test results (that you own, so you DO have
> a copy) should be right in front of you. Why shouldn't you be able to
> describe what is on the sheet of paper? Yes, it does matter.
>
> We are not prescribing hearing aids. Some audiologists are
> incompetent, many are good. The audiologist can make, or break your
> hearing experience with any particular pair of tunable aids.
>
> I went to an ENT doctor, and then his audiologist, who's only criteria
> was, "OK, which pair do you want"?
>
> I fired that audiologist, went to another, whom after a hearing exam,
> sat and talked with me for two hours, with no pressure for a purchase,
> and no charge.
>
> I had wanted a pair of CIC's, and specified a brand. After looking at
> my audiogram, she assured me that with my degree of loss, that the
> CIC's would not be powerful enough, and that I needed a more powerful
> BTE model.
>
> She was very familiar with programming the Siemens BTE Triano 3P's,
> and assured me that with this particular model, and her experience,
> that would allow me to hear the best that I could.
>
> The hearing loss profile is an important starting point, and can
> ultimately determine what type of aid you will need. My audiologist
> did not adjust to the hearing loss profile, but instead, in the very
> beginning, modified it to "what most people say sound best". But...
> it is a starting point. Three (free) visits later, I was set, and have
> been happily hearing ever since.
>
> Getting a hearing aid, and being able to hear the best that you may,
> is a partnership, with effort required with both you, and the
> audiologist. I think that the more educated and aware of your degree
> of hearing loss, and hearing loss profile...the more likely you will
> be able to have a successful end result.
>
> Best Regards,
> Serpent
I agree Serpent, very well put.
You should always have a copy of your audiogram. The law enables
you to have copies of all your tests. And yes, Serpent, I've fired a few
doctors I've had as well.
rk
| |
| Bill M 2005-05-18, 10:53 am |
| Serpent explains it well. What Serpent didn't tell you is that somtimes you
can get hearing aids in colors other than camoflauge. Some people like
bright colors.
Bill M
| |
| Serpent 2005-05-18, 10:53 am |
| Greetings!
Ardway, I am not full of anger, nor was my post.
Going to a hearing professional, and getting hearing aids, all for the
first time can be quite daunting. It's funny that when you decided to
parse my post, and pulled out the two words that you put in
parentheses below, that these are exactly the two words that I am
directing at the new people, to try to get their attention, and make a
specific point.
Referring to the audiogram, I purposely used the word "own", to help
people here that are new to all of this, know that they are entitled
to a copy...of their own.
As for the other word, I "fired" my first audiologist because he was
not willing to take time discussing hearing aids, and even having read
all the posts in this group, and researching on the Web, that I still
had questions about.
Again, I purposely used this specific word to try to impress on new
people, that if they go to a hearing professional, are not satisfied,
that they are not expected to suffer through with that one person, no
matter what, and have every right and should be expected to try
another, that this is a partnership. This is what I said as quoted
from my post below, "Getting a hearing aid, and being able to hear the
best that you may, is a partnership, with effort required with both
you, and the audiologist".
As for "firing" my first audiologist, at our visit, we had a polite
and cordial conversation. And my "firing" simply consisted of me
making a follow-up appointment with an audiologist at a different
office. Being angry never crossed my mind. Why would I be?
As for my alleged "despair resulting from his hearing loss", if you
had read many of my posts in the last year, you would have quickly
seen that I often described the absolute joy at being able to hear and
listen to music again.
Ardway, I don't think that you even read my posts, before launching
into your attack.
I again quote from my post below, "Three (free) visits later, I was
set, and have been happily hearing ever since."
Where is my ""despair resulting from his hearing loss" in that
sentence?
Ardway, I've noticed that in many of your past posts that you launch
attacks at the poster, for no apparent reason. It appears that you are
just a "cheap shot" artists that likes to show your "superiority" by
doing so. I don't know you, so won't, as you do, offer speculation
about the psychological reasons you do this.
Ardway, I have no anger for you, only pity.
I shall not waste time replying to any more of your posts, so here is
your big chance..."cheap shot" away!
Best Regards,
Serpent
On Sun, 15 May 2005 10:24:46 -0400, ardway <elbow@medblock.edu> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>It's always sad to read Serpent's posts. He is so full of anger. He
>"fires" audiologists, he "owns" his audiogram. Maybe the problem isn't
>always a dispenser's fault. I expect most of the fault is his own, a
>despair resulting from his hearing loss.
>
>Somebody else must always be to blame, I guess.
>
>Get over it, Snake. Grow up.
>
>Ardway
>
>Serpent wrote:
| |
| ardway 2005-05-18, 10:53 am |
| Ah, manipulative as ever. I don't often see someone as bitter as you on
the net. You have very helful and well thought out ideas, but your
constant self-justification proves the anger barely concealed beneath
the surface.
Keep posting your good stuff, but trying to teach the HOH by use of
abrasive language is just silly.
We are not children needing your life issue instruction, Serpent.
Ardway
>
Serpent wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> Ardway, I am not full of anger, nor was my post.
>
> Going to a hearing professional, and getting hearing aids, all for the
> first time can be quite daunting. It's funny that when you decided to
> parse my post, and pulled out the two words that you put in
> parentheses below, that these are exactly the two words that I am
> directing at the new people, to try to get their attention, and make a
> specific point.
>
> Referring to the audiogram, I purposely used the word "own", to help
> people here that are new to all of this, know that they are entitled
> to a copy...of their own.
>
> As for the other word, I "fired" my first audiologist because he was
> not willing to take time discussing hearing aids, and even having read
> all the posts in this group, and researching on the Web, that I still
> had questions about.
>
> Again, I purposely used this specific word to try to impress on new
> people, that if they go to a hearing professional, are not satisfied,
> that they are not expected to suffer through with that one person, no
> matter what, and have every right and should be expected to try
> another, that this is a partnership. This is what I said as quoted
> from my post below, "Getting a hearing aid, and being able to hear the
> best that you may, is a partnership, with effort required with both
> you, and the audiologist".
>
> As for "firing" my first audiologist, at our visit, we had a polite
> and cordial conversation. And my "firing" simply consisted of me
> making a follow-up appointment with an audiologist at a different
> office. Being angry never crossed my mind. Why would I be?
>
> As for my alleged "despair resulting from his hearing loss", if you
> had read many of my posts in the last year, you would have quickly
> seen that I often described the absolute joy at being able to hear and
> listen to music again.
>
> Ardway, I don't think that you even read my posts, before launching
> into your attack.
>
> I again quote from my post below, "Three (free) visits later, I was
> set, and have been happily hearing ever since."
>
> Where is my ""despair resulting from his hearing loss" in that
> sentence?
>
> Ardway, I've noticed that in many of your past posts that you launch
> attacks at the poster, for no apparent reason. It appears that you are
> just a "cheap shot" artists that likes to show your "superiority" by
> doing so. I don't know you, so won't, as you do, offer speculation
> about the psychological reasons you do this.
>
> Ardway, I have no anger for you, only pity.
>
> I shall not waste time replying to any more of your posts, so here is
> your big chance..."cheap shot" away!
>
> Best Regards,
> Serpent
>
> On Sun, 15 May 2005 10:24:46 -0400, ardway <elbow@medblock.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
| |
|
| "Serpent" <ttt@none.com> wrote in message
news:2l3a81t78s8se6l60ua10ic7jlbfk23mul@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 13 May 2005 11:32:53 -0500, "Bill" <FTLOSM@atmyplace.com>
> wrote:
>
> <<Snip>>
>
> Greetings!
>
> Could you be a little more specific for the "60% loss"?
>
> As an example, I have a steep drop above 2K of -65 to around -70 dB. I
> asked my Second audiologist for CIC's, and she said "No Way". That I
> needed the more powerful BTE to allow me to hear the best I can. And,
> I have been hearing happily ever since! :-)
>
> That would just be one item I would suggest you might check on.
>
> Best Regards,
> Serpent
Don't you love it when folks state they have a % hearing loss. I'm baffled
often, if this is the audiologist telling people this or the audie says you
have
a 60dB loss and they misinterpret it to 60%.
rk
| |
|
|
> Don't you love it when folks state they have a %
hearing loss. I'm baffled
> often, if this is the audiologist telling people
this or the audie says you
> have
> a 60dB loss and they misinterpret it to 60%.
>
> rk
In all fairness it wasn't the audiologist who said
flat out %60 hearing loss, it was me repeating
part of what I remember him telling her, and the
60% loss part I remember was on the high frequency
end of the spectrum but i don't have that sheet in
front of me to give specifics. I am sure any
misunderstandings in the actual loss rates or
frequencies are my own for not writing it all down
properly to pass onto you guys...
He as an audiologist said this unit (infinity pro)
was a good one to start out with and try based on
many happy patients and based on her needs from
the testing so I am hoping all in all she adapts
to it well and that it is a good product.
I was just asking if siemens infinity pro CIC aids
are decent quality and if $975 out the door with
fittings etc was an ok price range as my wife and
I both have no experience with hearing aids in
anyway, the hearing specialist guy seemed a bit
shady selling only one product with a high (to me
high) return fee (over $300 if it didnt work) the
audiologist here carries many brands and said no
fees to switch to find one that does work for you
till we get the right product and the right fit,
(only fee would be if we walked away and wanted
our money back there was a $75 fee for their
office visits/the time it took to make the ear
mold etc), that to me seemed VERY fair and the
option of other products seemed good to know too
so we went that route (ordered up the infinity
pro) but was hoping to get some input as to if it
is a good company product price etc...
Bill
| |
|
| Bill wrote:
>
> hearing loss. I'm baffled
>
>
> this or the audie says you
>
>
>
> In all fairness it wasn't the audiologist who said
> flat out %60 hearing loss, it was me repeating
> part of what I remember him telling her, and the
> 60% loss part I remember was on the high frequency
> end of the spectrum but i don't have that sheet in
> front of me to give specifics. I am sure any
> misunderstandings in the actual loss rates or
> frequencies are my own for not writing it all down
> properly to pass onto you guys...
>
> He as an audiologist said this unit (infinity pro)
> was a good one to start out with and try based on
> many happy patients and based on her needs from
> the testing so I am hoping all in all she adapts
> to it well and that it is a good product.
>
> I was just asking if siemens infinity pro CIC aids
> are decent quality and if $975 out the door with
> fittings etc was an ok price range as my wife and
> I both have no experience with hearing aids in
> anyway, the hearing specialist guy seemed a bit
> shady selling only one product with a high (to me
> high) return fee (over $300 if it didnt work) the
> audiologist here carries many brands and said no
> fees to switch to find one that does work for you
> till we get the right product and the right fit,
> (only fee would be if we walked away and wanted
> our money back there was a $75 fee for their
> office visits/the time it took to make the ear
> mold etc), that to me seemed VERY fair and the
> option of other products seemed good to know too
> so we went that route (ordered up the infinity
> pro) but was hoping to get some input as to if it
> is a good company product price etc...
>
> Bill
>
>
I think most most modern programmable aids will work fine. The weak link
is the person doing the programing and the quality of service. That the
fitter is not trying to gouge you is a plus. It sounds like you're
feeling that you're paying less that you should? It the aids don't work
well, you're paying too much. Good luck!
David
| |
| Serpent 2005-05-18, 10:54 am |
| On Sat, 14 May 2005 20:38:44 GMT, dsi1 <dsi123nospam@verizon.net>
wrote:
>
>Most people aren't able to give a good description of their hearing
>loss. Should they? Does this matter?
>
>Why get hung up on a person's audiogram anyway? Are we prescribing
>hearing aids? Ain't that the audiologist's job? Don't you need more than
>someone's pure-tone response to do a proper fitting?
>
>David
Greetings,
You go to an audiologist. You get a hearing test, and get an
audiogram. The hearing loss test results (that you own, so you DO have
a copy) should be right in front of you. Why shouldn't you be able to
describe what is on the sheet of paper? Yes, it does matter.
We are not prescribing hearing aids. Some audiologists are
incompetent, many are good. The audiologist can make, or break your
hearing experience with any particular pair of tunable aids.
I went to an ENT doctor, and then his audiologist, who's only criteria
was, "OK, which pair do you want"?
I fired that audiologist, went to another, whom after a hearing exam,
sat and talked with me for two hours, with no pressure for a purchase,
and no charge.
I had wanted a pair of CIC's, and specified a brand. After looking at
my audiogram, she assured me that with my degree of loss, that the
CIC's would not be powerful enough, and that I needed a more powerful
BTE model.
She was very familiar with programming the Siemens BTE Triano 3P's,
and assured me that with this particular model, and her experience,
that would allow me to hear the best that I could.
The hearing loss profile is an important starting point, and can
ultimately determine what type of aid you will need. My audiologist
did not adjust to the hearing loss profile, but instead, in the very
beginning, modified it to "what most people say sound best". But...
it is a starting point. Three (free) visits later, I was set, and have
been happily hearing ever since.
Getting a hearing aid, and being able to hear the best that you may,
is a partnership, with effort required with both you, and the
audiologist. I think that the more educated and aware of your degree
of hearing loss, and hearing loss profile...the more likely you will
be able to have a successful end result.
Best Regards,
Serpent
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| RK wrote:
> "Serpent" <ttt@none.com> wrote in message
> news:2l3a81t78s8se6l60ua10ic7jlbfk23mul@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> Don't you love it when folks state they have a % hearing loss. I'm baffled
> often, if this is the audiologist telling people this or the audie says you
> have
> a 60dB loss and they misinterpret it to 60%.
>
> rk
>
>
Most people aren't able to give a good description of their hearing
loss. Should they? Does this matter?
Why get hung up on a person's audiogram anyway? Are we prescribing
hearing aids? Ain't that the audiologist's job? Don't you need more than
someone's pure-tone response to do a proper fitting?
David
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|
| Serpent wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2005 20:38:44 GMT, dsi1 <dsi123nospam@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> You go to an audiologist. You get a hearing test, and get an
> audiogram. The hearing loss test results (that you own, so you DO have
> a copy) should be right in front of you. Why shouldn't you be able to
> describe what is on the sheet of paper? Yes, it does matter.
>
> We are not prescribing hearing aids. Some audiologists are
> incompetent, many are good. The audiologist can make, or break your
> hearing experience with any particular pair of tunable aids.
>
> I went to an ENT doctor, and then his audiologist, who's only criteria
> was, "OK, which pair do you want"?
>
> I fired that audiologist, went to another, whom after a hearing exam,
> sat and talked with me for two hours, with no pressure for a purchase,
> and no charge.
>
> I had wanted a pair of CIC's, and specified a brand. After looking at
> my audiogram, she assured me that with my degree of loss, that the
> CIC's would not be powerful enough, and that I needed a more powerful
> BTE model.
>
> She was very familiar with programming the Siemens BTE Triano 3P's,
> and assured me that with this particular model, and her experience,
> that would allow me to hear the best that I could.
>
> The hearing loss profile is an important starting point, and can
> ultimately determine what type of aid you will need. My audiologist
> did not adjust to the hearing loss profile, but instead, in the very
> beginning, modified it to "what most people say sound best". But...
> it is a starting point. Three (free) visits later, I was set, and have
> been happily hearing ever since.
>
> Getting a hearing aid, and being able to hear the best that you may,
> is a partnership, with effort required with both you, and the
> audiologist. I think that the more educated and aware of your degree
> of hearing loss, and hearing loss profile...the more likely you will
> be able to have a successful end result.
>
> Best Regards,
> Serpent
I agree with you that people should be more educated about their degree
of hearing loss. That they don't is due to their audiologist not being
very good teachers. My question is why is it important for a third party
to have this information and why belittle someone for not giving a clear
description of their loss? I know that you did not do this Serpent, and
I'm glad you've had such a good experience with your aids. Take care.
David
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| ardway 2005-05-18, 10:54 am |
| It's always sad to read Serpent's posts. He is so full of anger. He
"fires" audiologists, he "owns" his audiogram. Maybe the problem isn't
always a dispenser's fault. I expect most of the fault is his own, a
despair resulting from his hearing loss.
Somebody else must always be to blame, I guess.
Get over it, Snake. Grow up.
Ardway
Serpent wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> You go to an audiologist. You get a hearing test, and get an
> audiogram. The hearing loss test results (that you own, so you DO have
> a copy) should be right in front of you. Why shouldn't you be able to
> describe what is on the sheet of paper? Yes, it does matter.
>
> We are not prescribing hearing aids. Some audiologists are
> incompetent, many are good. The audiologist can make, or break your
> hearing experience with any particular pair of tunable aids.
>
> I went to an ENT doctor, and then his audiologist, who's only criteria
> was, "OK, which pair do you want"?
>
> I fired that audiologist, went to another, whom after a hearing exam,
> sat and talked with me for two hours, with no pressure for a purchase,
> and no charge.
>
> I had wanted a pair of CIC's, and specified a brand. After looking at
> my audiogram, she assured me that with my degree of loss, that the
> CIC's would not be powerful enough, and that I needed a more powerful
> BTE model.
>
> She was very familiar with programming the Siemens BTE Triano 3P's,
> and assured me that with this particular model, and her experience,
> that would allow me to hear the best that I could.
>
> The hearing loss profile is an important starting point, and can
> ultimately determine what type of aid you will need. My audiologist
> did not adjust to the hearing loss profile, but instead, in the very
> beginning, modified it to "what most people say sound best". But...
> it is a starting point. Three (free) visits later, I was set, and have
> been happily hearing ever since.
>
> Getting a hearing aid, and being able to hear the best that you may,
> is a partnership, with effort required with both you, and the
> audiologist. I think that the more educated and aware of your degree
> of hearing loss, and hearing loss profile...the more likely you will
> be able to have a successful end result.
>
> Best Regards,
> Serpent
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| Bill M 2005-05-18, 10:54 am |
| Serpent explains it well. What Serpent didn't tell you is that somtimes you
can get hearing aids in colors other than camoflauge. Some people like
bright colors.
Bill M
| |
| Serpent 2005-05-18, 10:54 am |
| Greetings!
Ardway, I am not full of anger, nor was my post.
Going to a hearing professional, and getting hearing aids, all for the
first time can be quite daunting. It's funny that when you decided to
parse my post, and pulled out the two words that you put in
parentheses below, that these are exactly the two words that I am
directing at the new people, to try to get their attention, and make a
specific point.
Referring to the audiogram, I purposely used the word "own", to help
people here that are new to all of this, know that they are entitled
to a copy...of their own.
As for the other word, I "fired" my first audiologist because he was
not willing to take time discussing hearing aids, and even having read
all the posts in this group, and researching on the Web, that I still
had questions about.
Again, I purposely used this specific word to try to impress on new
people, that if they go to a hearing professional, are not satisfied,
that they are not expected to suffer through with that one person, no
matter what, and have every right and should be expected to try
another, that this is a partnership. This is what I said as quoted
from my post below, "Getting a hearing aid, and being able to hear the
best that you may, is a partnership, with effort required with both
you, and the audiologist".
As for "firing" my first audiologist, at our visit, we had a polite
and cordial conversation. And my "firing" simply consisted of me
making a follow-up appointment with an audiologist at a different
office. Being angry never crossed my mind. Why would I be?
As for my alleged "despair resulting from his hearing loss", if you
had read many of my posts in the last year, you would have quickly
seen that I often described the absolute joy at being able to hear and
listen to music again.
Ardway, I don't think that you even read my posts, before launching
into your attack.
I again quote from my post below, "Three (free) visits later, I was
set, and have been happily hearing ever since."
Where is my ""despair resulting from his hearing loss" in that
sentence?
Ardway, I've noticed that in many of your past posts that you launch
attacks at the poster, for no apparent reason. It appears that you are
just a "cheap shot" artists that likes to show your "superiority" by
doing so. I don't know you, so won't, as you do, offer speculation
about the psychological reasons you do this.
Ardway, I have no anger for you, only pity.
I shall not waste time replying to any more of your posts, so here is
your big chance..."cheap shot" away!
Best Regards,
Serpent
On Sun, 15 May 2005 10:24:46 -0400, ardway <elbow@medblock.edu> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>It's always sad to read Serpent's posts. He is so full of anger. He
>"fires" audiologists, he "owns" his audiogram. Maybe the problem isn't
>always a dispenser's fault. I expect most of the fault is his own, a
>despair resulting from his hearing loss.
>
>Somebody else must always be to blame, I guess.
>
>Get over it, Snake. Grow up.
>
>Ardway
>
>Serpent wrote:
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| ardway 2005-05-20, 11:56 am |
| Ah, manipulative as ever. I don't often see someone as bitter as you on
the net. You have very helful and well thought out ideas, but your
constant self-justification proves the anger barely concealed beneath
the surface.
Keep posting your good stuff, but trying to teach the HOH by use of
abrasive language is just silly.
We are not children needing your life issue instruction, Serpent.
Ardway
>
Serpent wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> Ardway, I am not full of anger, nor was my post.
>
> Going to a hearing professional, and getting hearing aids, all for the
> first time can be quite daunting. It's funny that when you decided to
> parse my post, and pulled out the two words that you put in
> parentheses below, that these are exactly the two words that I am
> directing at the new people, to try to get their attention, and make a
> specific point.
>
> Referring to the audiogram, I purposely used the word "own", to help
> people here that are new to all of this, know that they are entitled
> to a copy...of their own.
>
> As for the other word, I "fired" my first audiologist because he was
> not willing to take time discussing hearing aids, and even having read
> all the posts in this group, and researching on the Web, that I still
> had questions about.
>
> Again, I purposely used this specific word to try to impress on new
> people, that if they go to a hearing professional, are not satisfied,
> that they are not expected to suffer through with that one person, no
> matter what, and have every right and should be expected to try
> another, that this is a partnership. This is what I said as quoted
> from my post below, "Getting a hearing aid, and being able to hear the
> best that you may, is a partnership, with effort required with both
> you, and the audiologist".
>
> As for "firing" my first audiologist, at our visit, we had a polite
> and cordial conversation. And my "firing" simply consisted of me
> making a follow-up appointment with an audiologist at a different
> office. Being angry never crossed my mind. Why would I be?
>
> As for my alleged "despair resulting from his hearing loss", if you
> had read many of my posts in the last year, you would have quickly
> seen that I often described the absolute joy at being able to hear and
> listen to music again.
>
> Ardway, I don't think that you even read my posts, before launching
> into your attack.
>
> I again quote from my post below, "Three (free) visits later, I was
> set, and have been happily hearing ever since."
>
> Where is my ""despair resulting from his hearing loss" in that
> sentence?
>
> Ardway, I've noticed that in many of your past posts that you launch
> attacks at the poster, for no apparent reason. It appears that you are
> just a "cheap shot" artists that likes to show your "superiority" by
> doing so. I don't know you, so won't, as you do, offer speculation
> about the psychological reasons you do this.
>
> Ardway, I have no anger for you, only pity.
>
> I shall not waste time replying to any more of your posts, so here is
> your big chance..."cheap shot" away!
>
> Best Regards,
> Serpent
>
> On Sun, 15 May 2005 10:24:46 -0400, ardway <elbow@medblock.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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