Hearing loss support - Sign Language Question

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Sign Language Question

Bruce Wiseman

2005-04-05, 5:56 pm

My wife is about to loose her job and is considring going back to school
to become a sign language interpreter. Both because she thinks it will be
of benefit to me (I have hearing loss and it is getting worse) also it
would be a chance to have some part time income. A recent email from the
SHHH group made it sound like no one uses sign language. Now my wife is
beginning to wonder about the effort and if it would be worth while.
Any thoughts?

2005-04-05, 5:56 pm

"Bruce Wiseman" <nospam@no.net> wrote in message
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> My wife is about to loose her job and is considring going back to school
> to become a sign language interpreter. Both because she thinks it will be
> of benefit to me (I have hearing loss and it is getting worse) also it
> would be a chance to have some part time income. A recent email from the
> SHHH group made it sound like no one uses sign language. Now my wife is
> beginning to wonder about the effort and if it would be worth while.
> Any thoughts?

I sign. have for over 20yrs, I prefer it over speaking most times. You're
wife
should look into it, and once she's had a few classes her instructor can
introduce
her into the Deaf Community were there are many more signers. Just be
careful,
because there is a big diff between ASL, SEE and PSE. And not everyone
knows
how to convert. A terp will usually need to know all 3.

Good luck

RK

signman

2005-04-05, 5:56 pm

Bruce Wiseman asked
to become a sign language >>interpreter. Both because she thinks it will be[vbcol=seagreen]
would be a chance to have some part >>time income. A recent email from the
SHHH group >>made it sound like no one uses sign language. Now my >>wife is
beginning to wonder about the effort and if it >>would be worth while.[vbcol=seagreen]

RK answered[vbcol=seagreen]
>I sign. have for over 20yrs, I prefer it over speaking >?>most times.
You're wife should look into it, and once >she's had a few classes her
instructor can
>introduce her into the Deaf Community were there are >many more signers.
Just be careful, because there is a >big diff between ASL, SEE and PSE. And
not >everyone knows how to convert. A terp will usually >need to know all
3.

I agree w/ RK.
From my experience, most people involved w/ SHHH groups are oral-based, not
sign based. Whereas, as RK stated, she will find a good client base from
the Deaf Community instead.

signman

Steve

2005-04-05, 5:56 pm

Bruce Wiseman <nospam@no.net> wrote:
> My wife is about to loose her job and is considring going back to school
>to become a sign language interpreter. Both because she thinks it will be
>of benefit to me (I have hearing loss and it is getting worse) also it
>would be a chance to have some part time income. A recent email from the
>SHHH group made it sound like no one uses sign language. Now my wife is
>beginning to wonder about the effort and if it would be worth while.
>Any thoughts?

Might find some useful info at these sites -

http://www.wordwiz72.com/interp/info.html

http://www.aslta.org

http://www.asli.org.uk

Kellie J. Berger

2005-04-05, 5:56 pm

what is PSE ? I know about ASL and SEE b/c we use a combo for my little
one.

--
-- Kellie
kjbeanne at yahoo dot com
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/berge...l.net/my_photos

"RK" <rk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bruce Wiseman" <nospam@no.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns962CE767991B4wisemanbameritechnet@207.115.63.158...
>
> I sign. have for over 20yrs, I prefer it over speaking most times.
> You're wife
> should look into it, and once she's had a few classes her instructor can
> introduce
> her into the Deaf Community were there are many more signers. Just be
> careful,
> because there is a big diff between ASL, SEE and PSE. And not everyone
> knows
> how to convert. A terp will usually need to know all 3.
>
> Good luck
>
> RK
>

signman

2005-04-05, 5:56 pm

"Kellie J. Berger" asked
>what is PSE ? I know about ASL and SEE b/c we use >a combo for my little
one.

Pidgin Signed English...it uses English word order, but does not involve all
the "little words" such as it, the, and to.

signman

Steve

2005-04-08, 10:12 pm

how can you use a combo of ASL and SEE? when they are two different types of
SL
and many signs aren't even the same. Or are you using it as signing for
babies?

RK.

"Kellie J. Berger" <kjbeanne@yawwhoo.com> wrote in message
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> what is PSE ? I know about ASL and SEE b/c we use a combo for my little
> one.
>
> --
> -- Kellie
> kjbeanne at yahoo dot com
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/berge...l.net/my_photos
>
> "RK" <rk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>

Bill M

2005-04-11, 5:58 pm

Hi Bruce.

I got the mailing from SHHH also. For those who'd like to see it, try
http://hearingloss.org/terry/ , what he writes rings true.

Becoming an interpreter might be a bad choice for your wife. I belive that
to become an interpreter she'll need somone to subsidize her for 4-8 years
while she takes classes and gains enough experiance to work alone. The
dollar cost of training and certification is considerable. There are
problems with the certification system. The interpreting trade may be a
rich girl's club, I'm unsure of that. Because of the huge investiment of
time and money, your wife should learn all she can about interpreters and
interpreting as an occupation before going ahead.

Sign language is a seperate topic from interpreting. Sign language is good,
and if you have any hearing loss at all you should be learning it. Learn
SEE2 ( if you can find it ) and ASL and PSE. They are all good and can be
mixed. There is an agenda out there somewhere that says "ASL only!", don't
let anyone push you around with it. Sign is very good to have at home and
other places.

Learn in classes, learn from videotapes. Books are the worst way. Take
classes in a college, not a church. You'll like sign language.

Bill M

Bill M

2005-04-11, 5:58 pm

RK used a butter knife to pry a fragment of strange colored crayon from
under the base board, and in response to Kellie Berger wrote:

" how can you use a combo of ASL and SEE? when they are two different types
of SL and many signs aren't even the same. Or are you using it as signing
for
babies?"

Huh? Please explain, RK, why in your view ASL and SEE can't be mixed.
Also, what is SEE? Is it 'signed exact English?', is it 'signed essential
English?"

Bill M

2005-04-11, 5:58 pm

"Bill M" <bmaghan@nethere.com> wrote in message
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There is an agenda out there somewhere that says "ASL only!", don't
let anyone push you around with it
> Bill M
>
Yes, there is an agenda out there and yes it will remain and we'll continue
to say ASL ONLY! because it is a the language of those of us that are
Deaf, not deaf. It also is the language that binds the Deaf Community
together, not SEE which is taught to children in school.

rk
>
>

2005-04-11, 5:58 pm

"Bill M" <bmaghan@nethere.com> wrote in message
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> RK used a butter knife to pry a fragment of strange colored crayon from
> under the base board, and in response to Kellie Berger wrote:
>
> " how can you use a combo of ASL and SEE? when they are two different
> types of SL and many signs aren't even the same. Or are you using it as
> signing for
> babies?"
>
> Huh? Please explain, RK, why in your view ASL and SEE can't be mixed.
> Also, what is SEE? Is it 'signed exact English?', is it 'signed
> essential English?"
>
> Bill M
>
Obviously you aren't a ASL signer. The reason they cannot be mixed is
because
ASL is it's own language. SEE is not. ASL has it's own form of syntax and
grammar
structure. SEE uses different signs then ASL even, and you sign in English
word order
including using "be, but, to, at, or" whereas ASL omits those words.

Therefore they cannot be interchanged and signed together.

rk

SayWhat?

2005-04-11, 5:58 pm

"Bill M" <bmaghan@nethere.com> wrote in message
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Sign language is good,
> and if you have any hearing loss at all you should be learning it. Bill M

That's what my doctor told me one day after having to repeat himself 3
times. The dumbshit was walking down the hall with his back to me the whole
time.

I asked him if he knew how to sign. No he says.
Did anyone in his office know how to sign. No he says.

Then what the hell good is it? You got a point says he.

I changed doctors.

Kellie J. Berger

2005-04-11, 5:58 pm

signman

2005-04-11, 5:58 pm

signman

2005-04-11, 5:58 pm

"SayWhat?" wrote
>That's what my doctor told me one day after having to >repeat himself 3
times. The dumbshit was walking >down the hall with his back to me the
whole
>time.
>I asked him if he knew how to sign. No he says.
>Did anyone in his office know how to sign. No he says.
>Then what the hell good is it? You got a point says he.

I've had that happen at the ENT office I go to. I "had it out" w/ the last
of the ENT docs there in February...he kept talking w/ his back to me and I
just kept saying "what?" Finally he said "it doesn't matter"...then I
bitched! And cancelled his follow-up appt!

signman

SayWhat?

2005-04-12, 11:35 am

"signman" <signman@ptd.net> wrote in message
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>
> I've had that happen at the ENT office I go to. I "had it out" w/ the
> last
> of the ENT docs there in February...he kept talking w/ his back to me and
> I
> just kept saying "what?" Finally he said "it doesn't matter"...then I
> bitched! And cancelled his follow-up appt!
>
> signman
>
Sounds like a real professional.

2005-04-12, 11:35 am

"signman" <signman@ptd.net> wrote in message
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>
> "SayWhat?" wrote
> times. The dumbshit was walking >down the hall with his back to me the
> whole
>
> I've had that happen at the ENT office I go to. I "had it out" w/ the
> last
> of the ENT docs there in February...he kept talking w/ his back to me and
> I
> just kept saying "what?" Finally he said "it doesn't matter"...then I
> bitched! And cancelled his follow-up appt!
>
> signman
>
>
LOL I've had the same at ENT's also even Audiologist who can't sign.
I'm like then WTF? You work with patients that are hoh/deaf one would
think you'd learn to communicate with them.

RK

Diane L. Schirf

2005-04-12, 11:35 am

In article <zLScnRcyEpHWYMffUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"signman" <signman@ptd.net> wrote:

> I've had that happen at the ENT office I go to. I "had it out" w/ the last
> of the ENT docs there in February...he kept talking w/ his back to me and I
> just kept saying "what?" Finally he said "it doesn't matter"...then I
> bitched!

I guess I'm lucky. When my right ear was filled with fluid and I really
couldn't hear, at least mine was willing to repeat himself, slowly . . .

--
http://www.slywy.com/

ardway

2005-04-12, 11:35 am

RK wrote:
> "signman" <signman@ptd.net> wrote in message
> news:zLScnRcyEpHWYMffUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
>
> LOL I've had the same at ENT's also even Audiologist who can't sign.
> I'm like then WTF? You work with patients that are hoh/deaf one would
> think you'd learn to communicate with them.
>
> RK
>
>

Fewer than 0.1% of HOH people sign. No reason for such a small fraction
to motivate someone to learn a "language". (I asked).

Deaf people don't go to audiologists, why would they?

Your surprise that audiologists don't sign doesn't make much sense.

Ardway

Bill M

2005-04-12, 11:35 am

A technician in the dental office I go to speaks short and clipped, from
behind a surgical mask. She told me something about a tooth that seemed
ready to collapse. After two tries I still didn't understand. She said,
"Oh, never mind."

On the next visit I brought a tablet and pencil. Didn't need it. The mask
was gone, and she spoke clearly.

I may never get this lucky again.

Ardway wrote that fewer than one in a thousand hh people sign. He's right.
But in the under thirty group, it may be as high as one in twenty hh sign.
And oh, the way hh sign! People who grew up hh and signing can establish a
communication link that is unlike deaf or hearing. They use face words,
hand words, and voice words in a way that's facinating to hear and watch.

People who sign pass like ships in the night. When I own and operate a
planet, those who sign will have an "S" stamped on their forheads.

Lots of hearing people sign. Maybe one in a thousand. Not a rich mixture,
but still it's a lot of people. It doesn't show in everyday life, only
signing brings out the signers. Some people can sign but won't!

Everyone learn sign language, please! You don't have to be good at it.

The best reason to learn sign language is for fun. Thousands and thousands
of people are having fun with it. Join the fun. If you are hh, this is one
of the fun things you can do in which being hh is less of a problem. And
it's very good at home, where there are no rules.

Today there are enough people learning sign that it's worth getting into for
social reasons.

Bill M

"SayWhat?" <whereeverforever.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bill M" <bmaghan@nethere.com> wrote in message
> news:1113106842.624096@news-1.nethere.net...
>
>
> Sign language is good,
>
> That's what my doctor told me one day after having to repeat himself 3
> times. The dumbshit was walking down the hall with his back to me the
> whole time.
>
> I asked him if he knew how to sign. No he says.
> Did anyone in his office know how to sign. No he says.
>
> Then what the hell good is it? You got a point says he.
>
> I changed doctors.
>
>
>

Bill M

2005-04-12, 11:35 am

Bill M

2005-04-12, 11:35 am

kkerrison@ozemail.com.au

2005-04-12, 11:35 am

I, and no doubt, thousands of other non-signers, often wonder to what
extent signing is a lingua franca. I gather that ASL had its origins in
FSL. I think AUSLAN came to us from Britain (but there is a fair chance
that FSL played a role there too - I'm not saying that Bill the Conk
brought signing but England and France are rather closer than France
and USA).

So how does a signer from one country fare when he attempts to
communicate with signers from countries whose inhabitants speak a
different language?

To what extent is signing an international language?

In asking this question I am conscious that, with sign language, as
with spoken language, there must be a considerable capacity for
non-verbal communication.

I once learnt scuba and it is incredible how quickly one learns to
communicate quite subtle messages without sound when one is 20 metres
underwater. So I have no doubt that signers develop abilities beyond
formal language to convey masses of information. And I would expect
that these skills would help them to establish communication even with
Martians more quickly than those of us who depend on aural
communication.

And I realise that many signers have no experience of spoken language.
But those that have may be willing to comment.

2005-04-13, 4:36 pm

"ardway" <elbow@medblock.edu> wrote in message
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> RK wrote:
>
> Fewer than 0.1% of HOH people sign. No reason for such a small fraction to
> motivate someone to learn a "language". (I asked).
>
> Deaf people don't go to audiologists, why would they?
>
> Your surprise that audiologists don't sign doesn't make much sense.
>
>
> Ardway

LOL boy you need to get out more!
Yes, deaf ppl do go to audiologists. We go once a year for a checkup
to make sure there are no further problems. You also need to recheck
your stats, it's much higher of a percentage then that.

RK

2005-04-13, 4:36 pm

<kkerrison@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> I, and no doubt, thousands of other non-signers, often wonder to what
> extent signing is a lingua franca. I gather that ASL had its origins in
> FSL.

You're correct. In 1816, Thomas Gallaudet received an invitation to France
and he met Laurent Clerc. Being impressed with his ability to teach the
deaf
to communicate he offered him a job teaching and assisting opening the first
deaf school in America. ASL is based from FSL, but has been modified much
over the last century.

>
> So how does a signer from one country fare when he attempts to
> communicate with signers from countries whose inhabitants speak a
> different language?

That's the neat trick about being deaf and being comfortable with yourself.
Those
who are Deaf not deaf, have the ability to "fill in the blanks" when needed
because
we've done it our whole lives. Just the same as lipreading someone and only
catching
bits here and there, you're still able to understand the question or
statement and put
it together to formulate an answer. The same most times happens with
signing with
someone from another country. Also, many signs are very simular as well, so
that
helps.
>
> To what extent is signing an international language?

It isn't AT all international.

>
> In asking this question I am conscious that, with sign language, as
> with spoken language, there must be a considerable capacity for
> non-verbal communication.
>
> I once learnt scuba and it is incredible how quickly one learns to
> communicate quite subtle messages without sound when one is 20 metres
> underwater. So I have no doubt that signers develop abilities beyond
> formal language to convey masses of information. And I would expect
> that these skills would help them to establish communication even with
> Martians more quickly than those of us who depend on aural
> communication.
>
> And I realise that many signers have no experience of spoken language.
> But those that have may be willing to comment.
>
Heh well if you'll rephrase the above and speak english I might be able to
comment further. But it's entirely too wordy and many words you've used
just don't covert well into sign.

RK

2005-04-13, 4:36 pm

Bill M

2005-04-13, 4:36 pm

I know only one French sign. It means "bread", and looks a lot like an
American "eight."

On the Internet I read some complaining that New Zealand's sign language is
becoming contaminated with American sign language. No doubt New Zealand has
countless good signs and usages, and many would be adopted by the Americans
if more Americans were able to experience these signs and usages.
Unpoliced, languages evolve. What works well stays, what doesn't work well
is disused.

How would a signer fare when he encounters the user of another language?
Lots of error, lots of miscommunication, lots of uncertainty. Lots of
"non-verbal" miscommunication.

Of signers, Ken wrote:
"And I would expect that these skills would help them to establish
communication even with Martians more quickly than those of us who depend on
aural communication."

I think so. Largely due to previous initial contact experiences with humans
during which standard communication was not used. If the Grays beam down
into my campsite, I'll go with oral and graphic to establish communication.
Unless the Grays show a preference for sign. I'll use oral communication so
that right from the start the space aliens will learn good communication
practices such as facing the person one is speaking to, having good light
and low background noise, etc, etc.

Bill M

SayWhat?

2005-04-13, 4:36 pm

Bill M

2005-04-14, 8:37 am

PATRICIA BURNS

2005-04-19, 10:33 am

RK wrote:

> "Bill M" <bmaghan@nethere.com> wrote in message
> news:1113106844.558686@news-1.nethere.net...
> Obviously you aren't a ASL signer. The reason they cannot be mixed is
> because
> ASL is it's own language. SEE is not. ASL has it's own form of syntax and
> grammar
> structure. SEE uses different signs then ASL even, and you sign in English
> word order
> including using "be, but, to, at, or" whereas ASL omits those words.
>
> Therefore they cannot be interchanged and signed together.
>
> rk

Is this why it's said that you can't sign ASL and speak along with it?

P.S. to Bill M.....Love your reply attribute!
--
Patricia Burns
(to reply via email...address has only one "s")

ardway

2005-04-19, 10:33 am

Bill M

2005-04-19, 10:34 am

kkerrison@ozemail.com.au

2005-04-19, 10:34 am

ken kerrison

2005-04-19, 10:34 am

PATRICIA BURNS
>
> Is this why it's said that you can't sign ASL and speak along with it?
>
>

I've always enjoyed watching signers talk to each other - both the
grace of the signing and the facial expressions - a glimpse from
outside of a rather special world.
But, on this point of speaking while signing, I have often noticed,
especially when they have sign interpreters in the corner of the TV
screen, that the signers often mouth the words being spoken on the TV
show which they are interpreting. If they can do this then, surely,
they could speak if they wanted to - say if they were conveying
information to a group including both signers and non-signers.

SayWhat?

2005-04-19, 10:34 am

Kellie J. Berger

2005-04-19, 10:34 am

sorry for the late reply... we are using ASL/SEE for our little one... have
been teaching her ASL since she was about 4 mos. but using some SEE words
to fill in gaps. We are learning together and probably botching the syntax
and grammar horribly, but having signs in addition to spoken word has made a
tremendous difference in her learning.
our older daughter is also HOH but we didn't realize and get her aids until
she was 5. The difference btwn communicating with the two of them in the
1st 4 years of life has been HUGE. With hearing aids and sign, we avoided a
lot of the frustration we went thru with our first daughter.

--
-- Kellie
kjbeanne at yahoo dot com
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/berge...l.net/my_photos

"PATRICIA BURNS" <patricias@burns.net> wrote in message
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> RK wrote:
>
>
> Is this why it's said that you can't sign ASL and speak along with it?
>
>
> P.S. to Bill M.....Love your reply attribute!
> --
> Patricia Burns
> (to reply via email...address has only one "s")
>
>

Bill M

2005-04-19, 10:34 am

2005-04-19, 11:48 am

"PATRICIA BURNS" <patricias@burns.net> wrote in message
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> RK wrote:
>
>
> Is this why it's said that you can't sign ASL and speak along with it?
>
>
> P.S. to Bill M.....Love your reply attribute!
> --
> Patricia Burns
> (to reply via email...address has only one "s")
>
>
Correct.

2005-04-19, 11:48 am

"ken kerrison" <kkerrison@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> PATRICIA BURNS
>
>
> I've always enjoyed watching signers talk to each other - both the
> grace of the signing and the facial expressions - a glimpse from
> outside of a rather special world.
> But, on this point of speaking while signing, I have often noticed,
> especially when they have sign interpreters in the corner of the TV
> screen, that the signers often mouth the words being spoken on the TV
> show which they are interpreting. If they can do this then, surely,
> they could speak if they wanted to - say if they were conveying
> information to a group including both signers and non-signers.

Well unfortunately you're incorrect. When you sign ASL most do
lip the word but it is not ever word that we lip either. You'll notice
most non-oral deaf and those who chose not to speak lip words as
they are signed, doesn't mean at all it can be spoken. ASL is a
non-verbal language, it cannot be signed and spoken at the same time.

PSE is a derivative of ASL, which is English spoken to signed ASL syntax.
But one must be able to understand ASL in order to follow along otherwise
you can get lost very quickly considering when I sign PSE, I'm signing as
I would in ASL, but speaking english to fill in the rest. It is two
different
things altogether.

Take a ASL class.. you'll be quite educated.

rk

2005-04-19, 11:48 am

"Kellie J. Berger" <kjbeanne@yawwhoo.com> wrote in message
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> sorry for the late reply... we are using ASL/SEE for our little one...
> have been teaching her ASL since she was about 4 mos. but using some SEE
> words to fill in gaps. We are learning together and probably botching the
> syntax and grammar horribly, but having signs in addition to spoken word
> has made a tremendous difference in her learning.
> our older daughter is also HOH but we didn't realize and get her aids
> until she was 5. The difference btwn communicating with the two of them
> in the 1st 4 years of life has been HUGE. With hearing aids and sign, we
> avoided a lot of the frustration we went thru with our first daughter.
>
> --
> -- Kellie
> kjbeanne at yahoo dot com
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/berge...l.net/my_photos

I suggest if you plan at anytime to allow your hoh daughter to intermingle
with other signing D/hoh in the Deaf Community, that you stop using SEE
and stick with ASL. SEE is frowned upon in the Deaf Community, because its
considered a forced language to school aged children within public school.

Residential schools only use ASL, which along wth PSE is accepted.

rk

>
> "PATRICIA BURNS" <patricias@burns.net> wrote in message
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>
>

Gabe

2005-04-30, 5:51 pm

[vbcol=seagreen]
> "ken kerrison" <kkerrison@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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What you are seeing it transliterating and not interpreting. It is not pure
ASL and is using English word order but also using ASL signs. You will see
almost not mouthing of words in ASL but you will see non-manual markers
associated with certain signs.

signman

2005-04-30, 10:50 pm

"Gabe" wrote
>What you are seeing it transliterating and not >interpreting. It is not
pure ASL and is using English >word order but also using ASL signs. You
will see
>almost not mouthing of words in ASL but you will see >non-manual markers
associated with certain signs.

Gabe,
I'd love clarification of this...especially what you're referring to in
terms of "non-manual markers associated with certain signs."
Am studying ASL and having a difficult time of it, having learned pidgin
signed English originally.

signman

kkerrison@ozemail.com.au

2005-04-30, 10:50 pm

Thanks Gabe and RK - I finally get it. My first reaction to the idea
of attending classes is negative - I shrink even from learing a new
computer programming language at 71 and I am pretty sure my residual
hearing will see me out.

But I will certainly think about it.

Gabe

2005-05-02, 10:52 pm

signman

2005-05-05, 5:57 pm

kkerrison@ozemail.com.au

2005-05-05, 5:57 pm

Gabe

2005-05-22, 10:51 pm

Non manual markers are such things as puffing the cheeks when signing fat to
indicate how fat or pulling them in when signing thin, the raising of the
eyebrow or squeezing them together. Or lips tightened together when signing
work to indicate continuous work.
"signman" <signman@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:46ecnWn0oP10tunfUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> "Gabe" wrote
> pure ASL and is using English >word order but also using ASL signs. You
> will see
> associated with certain signs.
>
> Gabe,
> I'd love clarification of this...especially what you're referring to in
> terms of "non-manual markers associated with certain signs."
> Am studying ASL and having a difficult time of it, having learned pidgin
> signed English originally.
>
> signman
>
>