Hearing loss support - Stem Cell Research Myths

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Stem Cell Research Myths

Karl Jenkins

2004-10-07, 4:08 am

Myth 1:

The Bush Administration Banned Stem Cell Research

There is no federal law banning stem cell research of any kind. There
has long been a ban imposed by Congress on federal funding of
destructive embryo research. This ban was enforced by the Clinton
administration. President Bush’s decision of August 2001 was in fact a
liberalization of that ban and it was denounced by some conservative
groups as a result. The Bush decision permitted funding of embryo stem
cell research. The permission extended to cell-lines cultured from
embryos that had already been destroyed, so that there would be no
encouragement to destroy further embryos. And, of course, there is no
restriction at all on “adult” stem cell research.

Myth 2:

Cures Are Right around the Corner if Only the Administration Changes
Its Mind

One of the cruelest myths ever put out by the press is this one.
Whatever has been said, the implication is clear: aunts and uncles and
parents who are now sick could be cured, perhaps even President Reagan
could have been saved and all that stands in the way is this funding
ban.

It does not take much intelligence to see the many fallacies here.
Even the more honest advocates of embryo stem cell research have
admitted that cures are a long, long way off. This is patently clear
to those who have followed the animal experiments, which have so far
yielded very little evidence of cures and many problems. But the proof
lies in the market place. If the hype were to be believed, and a whole
new world of cures were on our doorstep, there would be massive
investment from venture capitalists pouring into embryo stem cell
work, major pharma corporations and start-up IPOs. Economics is an
interesting study: the market values commodities (including
information) in a ranking summing up the value scales of individuals,
which lead to conclusions that determine prices, assessments of risk
and investments. The markets have spoken on this issue—the
best-informed people around, the biotech investors, have taken a walk.
And, of course, that is why there is such pressure for public money.

Myth 3:

Adult Stem Cells Are Second Best

I gave a presentation at the Experimental Biology conference in
Washington, D.C. a few weeks ago, where I was surveying the ethical
pros and cons of stem cell research. Alongside me were other speakers
who are experts in embryo and stem cell research. The embryo research
expert talked about basic research. The adult stem cell expert, on the
other hand, talked about patients with what had been thought to be
incurable diseases going home from the hospital cured. (If you want to
read some of the latest research go to www.stemcellresearch.org and
tell your friends, pastor, physician, neighbors, local newspaper,
congressman, kids, sick relatives, state representatives, mailman –
everyone you know – to go there and read the facts.)

Myth 4:

They Only Want to Use the “Spare” Embryos That Will Die Anyway

The entire celebrity-led, emotionally-driven case for using embryos
for research has been built on the idea that it will result in
one-on-one medications, using embryo-derived tissue to regenerate and
replace tissue cells that have gone bad. This is what has been
deceitfully called “therapeutic cloning,” and involves mass-production
of embryos by the hundreds of millions and the production of an
identical twin for each patient so that the twin embryo can be
destroyed to produce the cure. This idea is horrific, and the horror
is by no means confined to pro-lifers.

In fact, therapeutic cloning has already been banned in many
countries. The Germans, who know a thing or two about where science
can go wrong, banned it in 1990. Australia banned it last year. The
latest country to ban the procedure was Canada, where the ban was
finalized in April of this year. The French are next in line. The
United States is among the many countries supporting Costa Rica’s
attempt to get an international convention banning cloning through the
UN. Among the big democracies, only the UK, which has been in the
pro-embryo-research lead for 25 years, is in favor of therapeutic
cloning. Here in the United States, the Brownback-Landrieu bill to ban
cloning is languishing in the Senate, even though its equivalent
(Weldon-Stupak) has twice passed the House with a huge bipartisan
majority.

What isn't a myth is the posting of Pro Kerry propaganda to a support
group that has been free of such posts until the anonymous HHIssues
character chose to bring it into the group. He was warned some time
ago that once he opened the door, there would be more to follow.

Bill M

2004-10-07, 4:08 am

Open any Karl Jenkins post. Click "message" up near the top of your Outlook
Express screen. Click "create rule from message". Check the correct boxes,
and you'll never see Karl again.

Bill M

"Karl Jenkins" <jenkins@nospam.netzero.net> wrote in message
news:1097108820.kikzj/idVHpHWUp3/yA3tg@teranews...
>
> Myth 1:
>
> The Bush Administration Banned Stem Cell Research
>
> There is no federal law banning stem cell research of any kind. There
> has long been a ban imposed by Congress on federal funding of
> destructive embryo research. This ban was enforced by the Clinton
> administration. President Bush's decision of August 2001 was in fact a
> liberalization of that ban and it was denounced by some conservative
> groups as a result. The Bush decision permitted funding of embryo stem
> cell research. The permission extended to cell-lines cultured from
> embryos that had already been destroyed, so that there would be no
> encouragement to destroy further embryos. And, of course, there is no
> restriction at all on "adult" stem cell research.
>
>
> Myth 2:
>
> Cures Are Right around the Corner if Only the Administration Changes
> Its Mind
>
> One of the cruelest myths ever put out by the press is this one.
> Whatever has been said, the implication is clear: aunts and uncles and
> parents who are now sick could be cured, perhaps even President Reagan
> could have been saved and all that stands in the way is this funding
> ban.
>
> It does not take much intelligence to see the many fallacies here.
> Even the more honest advocates of embryo stem cell research have
> admitted that cures are a long, long way off. This is patently clear
> to those who have followed the animal experiments, which have so far
> yielded very little evidence of cures and many problems. But the proof
> lies in the market place. If the hype were to be believed, and a whole
> new world of cures were on our doorstep, there would be massive
> investment from venture capitalists pouring into embryo stem cell
> work, major pharma corporations and start-up IPOs. Economics is an
> interesting study: the market values commodities (including
> information) in a ranking summing up the value scales of individuals,
> which lead to conclusions that determine prices, assessments of risk
> and investments. The markets have spoken on this issue-the
> best-informed people around, the biotech investors, have taken a walk.
> And, of course, that is why there is such pressure for public money.
>
>
> Myth 3:
>
> Adult Stem Cells Are Second Best
>
> I gave a presentation at the Experimental Biology conference in
> Washington, D.C. a few weeks ago, where I was surveying the ethical
> pros and cons of stem cell research. Alongside me were other speakers
> who are experts in embryo and stem cell research. The embryo research
> expert talked about basic research. The adult stem cell expert, on the
> other hand, talked about patients with what had been thought to be
> incurable diseases going home from the hospital cured. (If you want to
> read some of the latest research go to www.stemcellresearch.org and
> tell your friends, pastor, physician, neighbors, local newspaper,
> congressman, kids, sick relatives, state representatives, mailman -
> everyone you know - to go there and read the facts.)
>
>
> Myth 4:
>
> They Only Want to Use the "Spare" Embryos That Will Die Anyway
>
> The entire celebrity-led, emotionally-driven case for using embryos
> for research has been built on the idea that it will result in
> one-on-one medications, using embryo-derived tissue to regenerate and
> replace tissue cells that have gone bad. This is what has been
> deceitfully called "therapeutic cloning," and involves mass-production
> of embryos by the hundreds of millions and the production of an
> identical twin for each patient so that the twin embryo can be
> destroyed to produce the cure. This idea is horrific, and the horror
> is by no means confined to pro-lifers.
>
> In fact, therapeutic cloning has already been banned in many
> countries. The Germans, who know a thing or two about where science
> can go wrong, banned it in 1990. Australia banned it last year. The
> latest country to ban the procedure was Canada, where the ban was
> finalized in April of this year. The French are next in line. The
> United States is among the many countries supporting Costa Rica's
> attempt to get an international convention banning cloning through the
> UN. Among the big democracies, only the UK, which has been in the
> pro-embryo-research lead for 25 years, is in favor of therapeutic
> cloning. Here in the United States, the Brownback-Landrieu bill to ban
> cloning is languishing in the Senate, even though its equivalent
> (Weldon-Stupak) has twice passed the House with a huge bipartisan
> majority.
>
>
> What isn't a myth is the posting of Pro Kerry propaganda to a support
> group that has been free of such posts until the anonymous HHIssues
> character chose to bring it into the group. He was warned some time
> ago that once he opened the door, there would be more to follow.
>
>

Joe Muzzillo

2004-10-07, 11:08 am

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:29:16 -0700, "Bill M" <bmaghan@nethere.com>
wrote:

>Open any Karl Jenkins post. Click "message" up near the top of your Outlook
>Express screen. Click "create rule from message". Check the correct boxes,
>and you'll never see Karl again.
>
>Bill M

HHIssues too, this ain't the first time he introduced unwanted
politics into this news group.

Joe

>"Karl Jenkins" <jenkins@nospam.netzero.net> wrote in message
>news:1097108820.kikzj/idVHpHWUp3/yA3tg@teranews...
>

HHIssues

2004-10-07, 7:10 pm

>Subject: Re: Stem Cell Research Myths
>From: Joe Muzzillo muzzilloJ@nyc.rr.com
>Date: 10/7/2004 9:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <tiham057s1sv3ptcfo3njf8nf5baa20l69@4ax.com>
>
>On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:29:16 -0700, "Bill M" <bmaghan@nethere.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>HHIssues too, this ain't the first time he introduced unwanted
>politics into this news group.
>
>Joe
>

I've only introduced issues related to the stem cells research. Since the stem
cells research can help those with a hearing loss to hear better. It's still
indirectly related to this newsgroup.

I didn't bring up issues not related to hearing loss like some of the others in
this newsgroup did.

Besides, and others could vouch for me, I've been a long standing member of
this news group. And have made my share of postings that had dealt with the
hearing loss issue. And have also made my share of postings on news releases or
articles containing information on research, science or technology such as hair
cell regeneration, gene therapy and such related subjects...

As opposed to some that seem to come up out of the blue posting in this
newsgroup that they had a "problem" with my postings on the stem cells research
? It's like where were they all those time... ?

Hla Tin

2004-10-07, 7:10 pm

"> I've only introduced issues related to the stem cells research. Since the
stem
> cells research can help those with a hearing loss to hear better. It's
still
> indirectly related to this newsgroup.
>
> I didn't bring up issues not related to hearing loss like some of the
others in
> this newsgroup did.
>
> Besides, and others could vouch for me, I've been a long standing member
of
> this news group. And have made my share of postings that had dealt with
the
> hearing loss issue. And have also made my share of postings on news
releases or
> articles containing information on research, science or technology such as
hair
> cell regeneration, gene therapy and such related subjects...
>

I vouched for HHI for this. He has posted many postings that dealt with
hearing loss issues even b/4 stem cell research controversy came into being.
If it has something to do with hearing loss I would like to read about it.
Thanks to all for contributions to give us better understanding of and
coping with hearing loss better. HT

Karl Jenkins

2004-10-07, 7:10 pm

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:30:56 -0700, "Hla Tin" <hlatin@adelphia.net>
wrote:

>
>"> I've only introduced issues related to the stem cells research. Since the
>stem
>still
>others in
>of
>the
>releases or
>hair
>
>I vouched for HHI for this. He has posted many postings that dealt with
>hearing loss issues even b/4 stem cell research controversy came into being.
>If it has something to do with hearing loss I would like to read about it.
>Thanks to all for contributions to give us better understanding of and
>coping with hearing loss better. HT
>

Vote for George Bush and he'll restore all of your hearing.

Hla Tin

2004-10-08, 2:07 am

I did vote for Bush Sr. before. As for this G W Bush, I thought he made a
lot of people deaf with his bombings in Afgan and Iraq. I will be hesistant
to believe you and vote for him unless you swear that there are no more
WMD's and no more shock and awe (S&A) weapons so I don't go completely deaf
if S &A weapons are used again. I also do not believe that GW is Almighty to
restore all of my hearing as you alluded to!

"Karl Jenkins" <jenkins@nospam.netzero.net> wrote in message
news:siebm0hip5hck2gatva1f7b74e0kt0u6t1@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:30:56 -0700, "Hla Tin" <hlatin@adelphia.net>
> wrote:
>
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>
> Vote for George Bush and he'll restore all of your hearing.

HHIssues

2004-10-08, 7:10 pm

>Subject: Re: Stem Cell Research Myths
>From: Karl Jenkins jenkins@nospam.netzero.net
>Date: 10/7/2004 5:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <siebm0hip5hck2gatva1f7b74e0kt0u6t1@4ax.com>
>
>On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:30:56 -0700, "Hla Tin" <hlatin@adelphia.net>
>wrote:
>
>
>Vote for George Bush and he'll restore all of your hearing.
>

Like I said before, feel free to specify why Bush will specifically be better
for the deaf, hearing-impaired and hard of hearing. Just on issues related to
hearing loss...

HHIssues

2004-10-08, 7:10 pm

>Subject: Re: Stem Cell Research Myths
>From: "Hla Tin" hlatin@adelphia.net
>Date: 10/7/2004 5:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <rPudnQ7nPYN6LvjcRVn-uA@adelphia.com>
>
>"> I've only introduced issues related to the stem cells research. Since the
>stem
>still
>others in
>of
>the
>releases or
>hair
>
>I vouched for HHI for this. He has posted many postings that dealt with
>hearing loss issues even b/4 stem cell research controversy came into being.
>If it has something to do with hearing loss I would like to read about it.
>Thanks to all for contributions to give us better understanding of and
>coping with hearing loss better. HT
>

Thanks, I appreciate it. And be on the lookout for more postings on hearing
loss coming from me in this newgroup.

However, if I had to do the whole thing over again, perhaps I could have tone
down the original posting and not post a direct link to a democratic website,
that I admit. Maybe I did get caught up with it a bit. It's just that I feel a
bit passionate about the potential of the stem cells research and do not want
policies or conditions to slow it down, etc. And I'm sure there are also many
others with a hearing loss that feels the same.

Also, once the election is over, you'll see that those kind of discussions
would cease to exist.

Karl Jenkins

2004-10-08, 10:08 pm

On 09 Oct 2004 00:05:22 GMT, hhissues@aol.com (HHIssues) wrote:

>However, if I had to do the whole thing over again, perhaps I could have tone
>down the original posting and not post a direct link to a democratic website,
>that I admit. Maybe I did get caught up with it a bit. It's just that I feel a
>bit passionate about the potential of the stem cells research and do not want
>policies or conditions to slow it down, etc. And I'm sure there are also many
>others with a hearing loss that feels the same.

YOU brought it here on two occasions. YOU never apologized to the
group. Don't expect to vent your politics in a support group and then
seek sympathy as YOU initiated the exchange. There are people
on the other side of the isle who are perhaps more passionate than
you are. Go over to alt.rush.limbaugh if you want political dialog.

Joe Muzzillo

2005-05-19, 5:51 pm

Al Dente

2005-05-19, 5:51 pm