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| canadagirl 2006-08-21, 9:23 pm |
| Dave wrote:
> If someone were to inform their doctor that they had thought about
> suicide could the doctor force them into hospital against their will?
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In my experience, you wouldn't be forced, but since you have probably
already informed your dr that you have thought about it, what happens
next depends on what kind of Dr. he is, how good he is, how diligent he
is, and his level of XXXXXXX-ness versus compassion. After telling him
you have thought about it, he should have then asked you a bunch more
questions. Do you have a plan? What is the plan? When was the last
time you thought about it? Have you told anyone else? Are you thinking
about it or have you made a decision? Is there a date? When did you
decide this?
How you answered these questions will determine the next course of action.
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| >Dave wrote:
>If someone were to inform their doctor that they
> had thought about suicide could the doctor force
> them into hospital against their will?
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>canadagirl wrote:
>In my experience, you wouldn't be forced, but
> since you have probably already informed your dr
> that you have thought about it, what happens next
> depends on what kind of Dr. he is, how good he
> is, how diligent he is, and his level of
> XXXXXXX-ness versus compassion. After telling him
> you have thought about it, he should have then
> asked you a bunch more questions. Do you have
> a plan? What is the plan? When was the last time
> you thought about it? Have you told anyone else?
> Are you thinking about it or have you made a
> decision? Is there a date? When did you decide
> this?
>How you answered these questions will determine
> the next course of action.
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To most of the yes or no questions I would answer, "yes." The exception
being, "is there a date." That would be "no," at least for now.
I have medical problems related to diabetes that have caused the partial
amputation of both feet. I can still walk now but I am in danger of
losing a leg if anything else happens. I do have a noticable limp that
some idiots enjoy pointing out to me.
I really don't think I'd want to live like that. I've always been very
active and the thought of being in a wheelchair or equiped with an
artificial leg for the rest of my life is almost more than I can stand.
I can't stop thinking about that. It makes me both angry and sad that
this could (and probably will) happen to me. The thoughts are effecting
every part of my life.
Plus it doesn't help that I've seen my right foot splayed open like a
fillet after my last surgery a year ago. I wish I'd never looked but you
know what they say about curiosity. The surgeon showed me when I asked
if he'd been able to remove all the dead tissue and infected bone. (a
few days later he closed the wound so, when I saw it, it was completely
open) That's something you don't forget. I was fascinated and repulsed
at the same time.
Thanks for 'listening' and not confusing me with that other Dave. I feel
a little better just from writing my thoughts out. I really do need to
get these feelings under control because they are interfering with my
ability to control my diabetes which in turn could hurt my feet and make
my fears a self fullfilling prophecy.
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| canadagirl 2006-08-21, 9:23 pm |
| Dave wrote:
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> To most of the yes or no questions I would answer, "yes." The exception
> being, "is there a date." That would be "no," at least for now.
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> I have medical problems related to diabetes that have caused the partial
> amputation of both feet. I can still walk now but I am in danger of
> losing a leg if anything else happens. I do have a noticable limp that
> some idiots enjoy pointing out to me.
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> I really don't think I'd want to live like that. I've always been very
> active and the thought of being in a wheelchair or equiped with an
> artificial leg for the rest of my life is almost more than I can stand.
> I can't stop thinking about that. It makes me both angry and sad that
> this could (and probably will) happen to me. The thoughts are effecting
> every part of my life.
>
> Plus it doesn't help that I've seen my right foot splayed open like a
> fillet after my last surgery a year ago. I wish I'd never looked but you
> know what they say about curiosity. The surgeon showed me when I asked
> if he'd been able to remove all the dead tissue and infected bone. (a
> few days later he closed the wound so, when I saw it, it was completely
> open) That's something you don't forget. I was fascinated and repulsed
> at the same time.
>
> Thanks for 'listening' and not confusing me with that other Dave. I feel
> a little better just from writing my thoughts out. I really do need to
> get these feelings under control because they are interfering with my
> ability to control my diabetes which in turn could hurt my feet and make
> my fears a self fullfilling prophecy.
>
Well, I don't know who the other Dave was since that was before my time
as well! And it sounds to me like you needed someone to listen and the
2 responses before me weren't overly friendly.
I must say, I like your description of your foot after surgery. I am in
full agreement with the fascination aspect. I have always had a passion
for anatomy and biology and after studying nursing for a time 4 years
ago I have finally chosen to settle on being a mortician! Now that I am
well on my way to conquering my own illness demons!
Dave, can I tell you something? There are very few people who face a
lifelong illness, a debilitating illness, and/or a disfiguring illness
who don't very seriously consider suicide. There truly are worse things
than death. But one has to know that they have exhausted every single
possible avenue toward living a life worth living before jumping out of it.
I understand what you are saying when you say that you cannot imagine a
life that you see ahead of you. But if you could learn how to accept
and to even embrace who you are with or without certain pieces of your
body, could you consider living? I wouldn't want to live with that
anger and bitterness either, but what if you could learn how not to have it?
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| Larry Hoover 2006-08-22, 4:26 pm |
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"Dave" <dsaurus@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6008-44EA467A-17@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net...
> I have medical problems related to diabetes that have caused the partial
> amputation of both feet. I can still walk now but I am in danger of
> losing a leg if anything else happens. I do have a noticable limp that
> some idiots enjoy pointing out to me.
Hey dave. Sorry to hear about the diabetic complications. I hope you can learn to
focus your energy better. Here's what I mean.....your present example of being
annoyed at how insensitive other people can be, with regards to your difficulties
walking, can bring up a large amount of emotional tension. You really don't want to
be so upset. You really are taking on other people's insensitivities. You're at
least momentarily stuck with the sour energy of that. But, you can learn to use that
energy to target some uncompleted task. A milestone in physiotherapy, for example.
Or a household chore that has become a challenge for you. Use the sour energy for
something productive, and the whole event takes on a new light.
> I really don't think I'd want to live like that. I've always been very
> active and the thought of being in a wheelchair or equiped with an
> artificial leg for the rest of my life is almost more than I can stand.
> I can't stop thinking about that. It makes me both angry and sad that
> this could (and probably will) happen to me. The thoughts are effecting
> every part of my life.
Changes such as you describe require that we mourn our losses. Grieving, just as for
a death. One of the required elements of grieving is giving voice to our despair, as
you have begun to do here. Good on you, Dave.
Be prepared for the other elements of grief, which can lead you towards acceptance
of your new reality. There is no hard and fast way to grieve, of course, but it may
be comforting to know that the subject has been given some serious study. Some
depict the process of grief to be a cycle, or small circle, of coming around to
acceptance. Here is an example of that:
http://www.mywhatever.com/cifwriter...s/mort2480.html
> Plus it doesn't help that I've seen my right foot splayed open like a
> fillet after my last surgery a year ago. I wish I'd never looked but you
> know what they say about curiosity. The surgeon showed me when I asked
> if he'd been able to remove all the dead tissue and infected bone. (a
> few days later he closed the wound so, when I saw it, it was completely
> open) That's something you don't forget. I was fascinated and repulsed
> at the same time.
I know I would have had to look at my foot, too. I think I'd be in awe of the
surgeon, myself. Knowing what each part needs, with respect to surviving the
surgery, and how to remove the bad bits without unduly influencing the good bits. It
sounds, at least, as if the surgery was a success.
> Thanks for 'listening' and not confusing me with that other Dave. I feel
> a little better just from writing my thoughts out. I really do need to
> get these feelings under control because they are interfering with my
> ability to control my diabetes which in turn could hurt my feet and make
> my fears a self fullfilling prophecy.
You are absolutely correct about the destabilizing effect of this emotional burden
you carry. And, once again, good on you for having the wisdom to open up and speak
your pain. It really does change things, to give voice to it.
All the best,
Lar
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| hal@nospam.com 2006-08-22, 9:28 pm |
| On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:05:25 -0400, dsaurus@webtv.net (Dave) wrote:
>If someone were to inform their doctor that they had thought about
>suicide could the doctor force them into hospital against their will?
No. As a legal adult, they cannot unless you pose a threat to someone
else, then perhaps.
Hal
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| marcia 2006-08-22, 9:28 pm |
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hal@nospam.com wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:05:25 -0400, dsaurus@webtv.net (Dave) wrote:
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> No. As a legal adult, they cannot unless you pose a threat to someone
> else, then perhaps.
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> Hal
Or yourself. In the US, if the doctor thinks you're an **imminent**
threat to yourself (this may mean having a plan, means and date for
suicide) or someone else, or if s/he believes you can't take care of
yourself, s/he can place you on a 72-hour psych hold. After 72 hours,
if the hospital still wants to continue involuntary inpatient
treatment, you're entitled to a hearing before a judge or magistrate
(which is often held in the hospital).
I believe they usually try to talk you into signing yourself in
voluntarily before threatening committment. Sometimes they may offer to
you a safe place to spend the night, sometimes in what's known as a
"crisis stabilization unit," then will reevaluate the situation in the
morning.
marcia
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| Don W. McCollough 2006-08-23, 9:28 pm |
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"Dave" <dsaurus@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> To most of the yes or no questions I would answer, "yes." The exception
> being, "is there a date." That would be "no," at least for now.
>
> I have medical problems related to diabetes that have caused the partial
> amputation of both feet. I can still walk now but I am in danger of
> losing a leg if anything else happens. I do have a noticable limp that
> some idiots enjoy pointing out to me.
>
> I really don't think I'd want to live like that. I've always been very
> active and the thought of being in a wheelchair or equiped with an
> artificial leg for the rest of my life is almost more than I can stand.
> I can't stop thinking about that. It makes me both angry and sad that
> this could (and probably will) happen to me. The thoughts are effecting
> every part of my life.
>
> Plus it doesn't help that I've seen my right foot splayed open like a
> fillet after my last surgery a year ago. I wish I'd never looked but you
> know what they say about curiosity. The surgeon showed me when I asked
> if he'd been able to remove all the dead tissue and infected bone. (a
> few days later he closed the wound so, when I saw it, it was completely
> open) That's something you don't forget. I was fascinated and repulsed
> at the same time.
>
> Thanks for 'listening' and not confusing me with that other Dave. I feel
> a little better just from writing my thoughts out. I really do need to
> get these feelings under control because they are interfering with my
> ability to control my diabetes which in turn could hurt my feet and make
> my fears a self fullfilling prophecy.
Well, Dave, if you are feeling depressed you should get that addressed
by a psychiatrist. Try everything they suggest, it could make you feel
better.
As for being forced into a hospital...if you tell a doctor that you're
suicidal
they can call the police on you to have you observed for 72 hours. If you
call
a suicide hotline, the police could come knocking. But hey, if you're
suicidal
you *should* go to the hospital for treatment.
As for forcing you to stay in the hospital...that would all depend on how
honest
you are with the doctors.
If you don't want to lose your leg, then you have to take your meds and
watch
what you eat...simple as that.
Something in the New Testament comes to mind,
"And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to
enter the
kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into
hell..."
I wish you well, man.
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| dsaurus@webtv.net (Dave) wrote in
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> If someone were to inform their doctor that they had thought about
> suicide could the doctor force them into hospital against their will?
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they sure can, so dont go bragging about depression / suicide...
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| dsaurus@webtv.net (Dave) wrote in
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> If someone were to inform their doctor that they had thought about
> suicide could the doctor force them into hospital against their will?
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i was forced into hospital, because of mild depression, and i was kept
there for about 2 months against my will. heh.
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| marcia 2006-08-24, 8:26 am |
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pig wrote:
> dsaurus@webtv.net (Dave) wrote in
> news:8839-44E9D9C5-596@storefull-3212.bay.webtv.net:
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> i was forced into hospital, because of mild depression, and i was kept
> there for about 2 months against my will. heh.
You're not in the U.S., though, are you? I was under the impression
you're somewhere in the UK. Different rules may apply.
marcia
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| In Hong Kong, 2 doc. signed u in then u have to be kept inside. The reasons
are either u will hurt yourself or others. not to mention kill
"marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com>
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> You're not in the U.S., though, are you? I was under the impression
> you're somewhere in the UK. Different rules may apply.
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> marcia
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