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Finally found some meds that work
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| I'm now on Abilify, Provigil and Botox and my depression has finally
lifted after 10 years. I tried Prozac, Serzone, Lamictal, MAOs,
Pamolar, topomax, Desiprimine, Welbutrin, Effexor, Celexa and others
and nothing happened. Thought I should let you all know.
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| marcia 2006-08-09, 4:29 pm |
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Jake wrote:
> I'm now on Abilify, Provigil and Botox and my depression has finally
> lifted after 10 years. I tried Prozac, Serzone, Lamictal, MAOs,
> Pamolar, topomax, Desiprimine, Welbutrin, Effexor, Celexa and others
> and nothing happened. Thought I should let you all know.
Are you the same person as Jake D, who posted "what med should I try
next?"
That Abilify is amazing stuff, imo. What does the Botox do for you?
marcia
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| you people on this group seem to think its OK to self-diagnose and
prescribe and discuss subjectively which meds you think are good.
Something must be said, you all are really out of your leage here. ONLY
YOUR DOCTOR CAN MAKE THESE DECISIONS, THATS WHY HE WENT TO UNI FOR HALF A
CENTURY TO STUDY THESE THINGS. you are playing with fire by thinking you
know something about complex medications and their interactions.
im not flaming im saying this because it needs to be said and its true.
"marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in news:1155145716.047124.175570
@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
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> Jake wrote:
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> Are you the same person as Jake D, who posted "what med should I try
> next?"
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> That Abilify is amazing stuff, imo. What does the Botox do for you?
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> marcia
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| canadagirl 2006-08-09, 4:29 pm |
| pig wrote:
> you people on this group seem to think its OK to self-diagnose and
> prescribe and discuss subjectively which meds you think are good.
> Something must be said, you all are really out of your leage here. ONLY
> YOUR DOCTOR CAN MAKE THESE DECISIONS, THATS WHY HE WENT TO UNI FOR HALF A
> CENTURY TO STUDY THESE THINGS. you are playing with fire by thinking you
> know something about complex medications and their interactions.
>
> im not flaming im saying this because it needs to be said and its true.
>
> "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in news:1155145716.047124.175570
> @m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
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In this group, we are responsible for speaking strictly about our own
experiences. I think even the most challenged numbskull knows that this
does not substitute for the advice of our own medical Dr., even when the
advice is coming from a doctor who does share his advice right here.
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| hal@nospam.org 2006-08-09, 4:29 pm |
| On 10 Aug 2006 05:13:17 +1100, pig <telstra5@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>you people on this group seem to think its OK to self-diagnose and
>prescribe and discuss subjectively which meds you think are good.
>Something must be said, you all are really out of your leage here. ONLY
>YOUR DOCTOR CAN MAKE THESE DECISIONS, THATS WHY HE WENT TO UNI FOR HALF A
>CENTURY TO STUDY THESE THINGS. you are playing with fire by thinking you
>know something about complex medications and their interactions.
>
>im not flaming im saying this because it needs to be said and its true.
only a fool blindly takes whatever pill their doctor hands them,
especially when that doctor is not a specialist. You doctor works for
you, and the final decision must be yours, and you must be able to
make an informed decision. Otherwise you won't know what to expect,
what the side effects may be that you must look for, and what the long
term effects may be. The drug industry is a multi billion dollar a
year industry and whenever profits rule, decisions will be made based
on money. Case in point: how many patients here who were given AD
drugs were also given the full pharmacology report by their doctor? A
complete list of side effects and cautions? I've never seen it. How
many have been to a doctor lately with a PDR on their desk? How many
doctors pulled it out and showed their patient what it was they were
getting prescribed? Never seen it, never heard of it. Only a fool
will take the unconfirmed advice of a stranger on the internet. And
only a fool will take the unconfirmed advice of a non-specialist
without researching what it is they are being given.
Hal
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>"marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in news:1155145716.047124.175570
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| Dance With Deer 2006-08-09, 9:26 pm |
| Hi, Jake. I was wondering, how does botox help? I thought that was for
cosmetic body enhancement? If I'm wrong, forgive me. Still learning.
--
"Please note not a doctor nor medical
professional. Opinions only."
"Jake" <beaudogggy@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1155138122.718094.124580@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> I'm now on Abilify, Provigil and Botox and my depression has finally
> lifted after 10 years. I tried Prozac, Serzone, Lamictal, MAOs,
> Pamolar, topomax, Desiprimine, Welbutrin, Effexor, Celexa and others
> and nothing happened. Thought I should let you all know.
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| marcia 2006-08-09, 9:26 pm |
| Don't be an idiot, Pig. Do you think we're buying our meds on the
street corner?
You *are* flaming, and you're acting like a troll throughout the forum.
With the exception of very, very few people, most of us were formally
diagnosed and are on *prescribed* meds.
marcia
pig wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> you people on this group seem to think its OK to self-diagnose and
> prescribe and discuss subjectively which meds you think are good.
> Something must be said, you all are really out of your leage here. ONLY
> YOUR DOCTOR CAN MAKE THESE DECISIONS, THATS WHY HE WENT TO UNI FOR HALF A
> CENTURY TO STUDY THESE THINGS. you are playing with fire by thinking you
> know something about complex medications and their interactions.
>
> im not flaming im saying this because it needs to be said and its true.
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> "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in news:1155145716.047124.175570
> @m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
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| Nom dePlume 2006-08-10, 2:28 am |
| "Jake" <beaudogggy@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1155138122.718094.124580@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> I'm now on Abilify, Provigil and Botox and my depression has finally
> lifted after 10 years. I tried Prozac, Serzone, Lamictal, MAOs,
> Pamolar, topomax, Desiprimine, Welbutrin, Effexor, Celexa and others
> and nothing happened. Thought I should let you all know.
What an unusual combination! How did you end up with it? I'm glad it's
working for you.
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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| mousiemouse@rathole.net 2006-08-10, 2:28 am |
| On 10 Aug 2006 05:13:17 +1100, pig <telstra5@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>you people on this group seem to think its OK to self-diagnose and
>prescribe and discuss subjectively which meds you think are good.
>Something must be said, you all are really out of your leage here. ONLY
>YOUR DOCTOR CAN MAKE THESE DECISIONS, THATS WHY HE WENT TO UNI FOR HALF A
>CENTURY TO STUDY THESE THINGS. you are playing with fire by thinking you
>know something about complex medications and their interactions.
I don't think the Pdocs know anymore than what the drug companies tell
them, god knows my doctors never said a thing about expected
discontinuation effects, for example, much less how to deal with them.
And even the GPs hand this stuff out like candy.
>im not flaming im saying this because it needs to be said and its true.
I don't know how true it is that only a doctor can make the decisions,
either. Some doctors are pretty good at what they do but even those
tend to be the ones who listen to the patient. The others, the ones
with an MDeity degree, can be complete losers. I broke my back once,
falling out of a tree (apricots, mmm) and the doctor wouldn't listen
to me, he just diagnosed a bruised kidney. Guess what, he was wrong.
-mousie
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| Jake D 2006-08-10, 8:29 am |
| On 9 Aug 2006 10:48:36 -0700, "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote:
>Are you the same person as Jake D, who posted "what med should I try
>next?"
No, he is not the same person.
Jake D
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| marcia 2006-08-10, 8:29 am |
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Jake D wrote:
> On 9 Aug 2006 10:48:36 -0700, "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote:
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> No, he is not the same person.
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> Jake D
Sorry, I wasn't sure. How are *you* doing in *your* med quest? Have you
seen your GP? Any luck yet?
marcia
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| marcia 2006-08-10, 8:29 am |
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Nom dePlume wrote:
> "Jake" <beaudogggy@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1155138122.718094.124580@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
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> What an unusual combination! How did you end up with it? I'm glad it's
> working for you.
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Nom,
Can you think of a purpose for the Botox? Medically, it's used to treat
spasticity from MS and also for some nerve problems... other than that,
and cosmetic purposes, are you aware of any off-label psych uses?
marcia
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| Drake (formerly Jake D) 2006-08-10, 4:29 pm |
| On 10 Aug 2006 05:25:36 -0700, "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com>
wrote:
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>Sorry, I wasn't sure. How are *you* doing in *your* med quest? Have you
>seen your GP? Any luck yet?
Thanks for asking. I'm on Reboxetine, and am finding it significantly
more helpful than any of the other six ADs I've tried so far.
I still have the inclination to sleep for long stretches throughout
the day, but when I *do* get up and tackle pressing chores, Reboxetine
does give me a bit of a boost. I think it makes somewhat less inclined
to sleep during the day, but I often still do. I'm on my 9th day of
Reboxetine, still at the introductory 2 x 4mg a day dosage.
It stops me from sleeping at night, so I'm hoping to get switched to
Strattera (if available in the UK), as kindly suggested by NdP, since
he says it wears off quicker.
I'm seeing my GP tomorrow about it. He will also have the results of a
blood test I had recently, checking for a whole bunch of things
inlcuding Epstein Barr Virus.
Best regards,
Drake (formerly Jake D) N.B. I will adjust my screen name to just
"Drake" in future to avoid confusion in this group.
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| marcia 2006-08-10, 4:29 pm |
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Drake (formerly Jake D) wrote:
> On 10 Aug 2006 05:25:36 -0700, "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com>
> wrote:
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> Thanks for asking. I'm on Reboxetine, and am finding it significantly
> more helpful than any of the other six ADs I've tried so far.
Oh, that's great news!
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> I still have the inclination to sleep for long stretches throughout
> the day, but when I *do* get up and tackle pressing chores, Reboxetine
> does give me a bit of a boost. I think it makes somewhat less inclined
> to sleep during the day, but I often still do. I'm on my 9th day of
> Reboxetine, still at the introductory 2 x 4mg a day dosage.
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> It stops me from sleeping at night, so I'm hoping to get switched to
> Strattera (if available in the UK), as kindly suggested by NdP, since
> he says it wears off quicker.
You know, I wonder if part of your sleep problem doesn't involve habit
and having screwed up your circadian rhythms? This may be something you
can change while still on Reboxetine.
It's interesting that Strattera and Reboxetine both work on
norepinephine... wonder what would happen *if* you change to Strattera,
since you won't be covered by an AD between the time the Strattera
wears off and the time you next take it. Just playing devil's advocate.
If you do change, and Strattera doesn't work out, you might want to try
going back on the Reboxetine and using a non-medication solution for
your sleep issues. BTDT.
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> I'm seeing my GP tomorrow about it. He will also have the results of a
> blood test I had recently, checking for a whole bunch of things
> inlcuding Epstein Barr Virus.
Hope that goes well, and that you *don't* have Epstein Barr. It's good
that you're trying to rule out other medical conditions, in addition to
depression.
Keep us posted. 
marcia
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| Nom dePlume 2006-08-11, 2:28 am |
| "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1155213249.464765.10580@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> Nom dePlume wrote:
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> Nom,
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> Can you think of a purpose for the Botox? Medically, it's used to
> treat
> spasticity from MS and also for some nerve problems... other than
> that,
> and cosmetic purposes, are you aware of any off-label psych uses?
>
> marcia
There have been some small studies that show that Botox injections
provided to reduce frown lines, by preventing frowning (via muscle
paralysis in the associated facial muscles) have dramatically improved
mood for depressed patients. This is very interesting. One speculation
is that changing the range of facial expressions, so that frowning is
impossible, provides feedback to the brain that changes mood.
Is Botox really useful for depression? I don't know. Larger trials are
clearly needed to determine how effective Botox is as a treatment, and
to figure out why it works (if it does).
--
Nom dePlume, Ph.D.
Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist.
Guide to Medications for Mental Illness:
http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/
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| marcia 2006-08-11, 8:23 am |
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Nom dePlume wrote:
> "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:1155213249.464765.10580@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> There have been some small studies that show that Botox injections
> provided to reduce frown lines, by preventing frowning (via muscle
> paralysis in the associated facial muscles) have dramatically improved
> mood for depressed patients. This is very interesting. One speculation
> is that changing the range of facial expressions, so that frowning is
> impossible, provides feedback to the brain that changes mood.
>
> Is Botox really useful for depression? I don't know. Larger trials are
> clearly needed to determine how effective Botox is as a treatment, and
> to figure out why it works (if it does).
>
Thanks for your response.
It's an interesting idea. I scanned a short article about this
yesterday, but had no idea it was being used in clinical practice.
marcia
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| hal@nospam.org wrote in news:c8ikd21lns959qgg0k1qsd0vnueoatlse4@4ax.com:
> only a fool blindly takes whatever pill their doctor hands them,
> especially when that doctor is not a specialist.
well then why should GP's be allowed to prescribe these drugs without doing
a propper diagnoses to rule out organic causes of psychosis / mental
illness??
WHY? ill XXXXing tell you why..
MONEY. they want to earn money, not help people.
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| "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in news:1155173977.259120.320250
@q16g2000cwq.googlegroups.com:
> You *are* flaming, and you're acting like a troll throughout the forum.
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how DARE YOU! the cheek of you!
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| "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in news:1155225388.132558.263610
@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> It's good
> that you're trying to rule out other medical conditions, in addition to
> depression
a very rare occurence.. doctors usually just assume the cause is "mental
illness" when in fact theyre often wrong and there IS another cause for the
symptoms. heh.
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| marcia 2006-08-11, 9:26 pm |
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pig wrote:
> "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in news:1155173977.259120.320250
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> how DARE YOU! the cheek of you!
Pffft. I dare because you're acting like an XXX. If you don't want to
make a positive contribution to the group that's your business, but
don't expect other people to view you as anything more than a troll
unless you change your behavior.
marcia
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| marcia 2006-08-11, 9:26 pm |
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pig wrote:
> "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in news:1155225388.132558.263610
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> a very rare occurence.. doctors usually just assume the cause is "mental
> illness" when in fact theyre often wrong and there IS another cause for the
> symptoms. heh.
You're may be right about that; mental illness is often assumed without
a thorough investigation for other problems. OTOH, depression is a
common medical illness as well.
marcia
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| Drake (formerly Jake D) 2006-08-12, 8:25 am |
| On 12 Aug 2006 06:14:16 +1100, pig <telstra5@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>"marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in news:1155225388.132558.263610
>@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
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>a very rare occurence.. doctors usually just assume the cause is "mental
>illness" when in fact theyre often wrong and there IS another cause for the
>symptoms. heh.
Yes, and in this case, I only had the blood tests because *I* pressed
for it. It would never have happenned if I'd left it up to the doctor!
Drake
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| "Drake (formerly Jake D)" <akero777@aol.com> wrote in
news:ks4rd2ts2h2vjo8t9g3ldmfp8mv3e0sp85@4ax.com:
> Yes, and in this case, I only had the blood tests because *I* pressed
> for it. It would never have happenned if I'd left it up to the doctor!
>
thats right. myself too, i ended up in hospital because id taken some
strange recreational drugs.. They wanted to label me as skitzophrenic or
something like this, but i kept telling the rats to do some tests and
eventually they found it in their hearts to give me a diagnosis of "drug
induced psychosis", a much less stigmatising mental illness.
heh.
Any doctor who was not asleep during their university course would know
that MANY MANY physical diseases can immitate mental illness. They are told
to rule out these causes before diagnosing someone as mentally ill.
BUT, thanks to XXXXing politics, money and the DSM cult, it becomes the
reverse. First assume mental illness... dont bother doing expensive tests
unless they ask for it or have some medical insurance that can be drained.
heh.
You know the truth marcia. if you dont your just in denial about the
sickness of the whole system.
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| marcia 2006-08-14, 4:25 pm |
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pig wrote:
> "Drake (formerly Jake D)" <akero777@aol.com> wrote in
> news:ks4rd2ts2h2vjo8t9g3ldmfp8mv3e0sp85@4ax.com:
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> thats right. myself too, i ended up in hospital because id taken some
> strange recreational drugs.. They wanted to label me as skitzophrenic or
> something like this, but i kept telling the rats to do some tests and
> eventually they found it in their hearts to give me a diagnosis of "drug
> induced psychosis", a much less stigmatising mental illness.
>
> heh.
>
> Any doctor who was not asleep during their university course would know
> that MANY MANY physical diseases can immitate mental illness. They are told
> to rule out these causes before diagnosing someone as mentally ill.
>
> BUT, thanks to XXXXing politics, money and the DSM cult, it becomes the
> reverse. First assume mental illness... dont bother doing expensive tests
> unless they ask for it or have some medical insurance that can be drained.
> heh.
>
> You know the truth marcia. if you dont your just in denial about the
> sickness of the whole system.
You're answering Jake's (Drake's) post, not mine.
marcia
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| "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in
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> pig wrote:
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> You're answering Jake's (Drake's) post, not mine.
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> marcia
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i dont care its all good
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| marcia 2006-08-15, 4:25 pm |
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pig wrote:
> "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in
> news:1155571110.068550.230100@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
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> i dont care its all good
I agree that the system is sick.
marcia
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| "marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in news:1155652650.342917.62900
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> pig wrote:
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> I agree that the system is sick.
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> marcia
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the system is very sick indeed.
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