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| tabber 2005-02-09, 3:23 pm |
| Firstly, don't trust anything Indians or GM tell you. They're the two
most devious conglomerations on the planet.
Secondly, if you lose 10-17 pounds in a week without losing massive
amounts of muscle and water one of two things have happened:
(1) You have discovered the "miracle" diet or
(2) You just crapped all your internal organs over your couch as you
were stuffing yourself full of bananas and milk and watching reruns of
MacGyver
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| happycamper722 2005-02-09, 3:23 pm |
| It's not a healthy way to diet. Take the word DIET out of our
Vocabulary and think Healthy Eating. The only way to lose weight is to
use small portions and a well balanced diet daily with adding 30-60
minutes a day of some kind of exercise. Walking coupled with a couple
of days of extra exercise like strength training or toning exercises.
My Dr. who is in his late fifties is slim and says eat Green leafy
vegatables with lean meats. Make sure you get fiber in there too.
When you follow a diet that you can't eat that way for the rest of your
life then it's not a good way to lose with.
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| Mack McKinnon 2005-02-09, 3:23 pm |
|
"happycamper722" <hdefago@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1107942020.770787.303280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> It's not a healthy way to diet. Take the word DIET out of our
> Vocabulary and think Healthy Eating. The only way to lose weight is to
> use small portions and a well balanced diet daily with adding 30-60
> minutes a day of some kind of exercise. Walking coupled with a couple
> of days of extra exercise like strength training or toning exercises.
> My Dr. who is in his late fifties is slim and says eat Green leafy
> vegatables with lean meats. Make sure you get fiber in there too.
> When you follow a diet that you can't eat that way for the rest of your
> life then it's not a good way to lose with.
True, very true. The word "diet" implies a temporary change in eating
habits. What is necessary is to change those habits for the rest of your
life. Fruits and vegetables, a little whole grain, lean chicken and fish.
It's a two-step process: first, change the foods, then change the amount.
Cutting down the quantity of food is extremely important and very difficult
for most people, since we live in an environment of so much cheap, tasty,
heavily-promoted but bad food. Most of us are thinking, "How much can I eat
and still lose weight?" when a better question is, "How little can I eat and
stay healthy?"
Aerobic exercise keeps you heart-healthy and resistance exercise keeps you
strong. But restricting calories is #1. If you are eating so many calories
that you have to "burn off" some of them just to keep from getting fat, then
you need to eat fewer calories. The "burn it off" strategy doesn't work
very well, anyway. The calories you burn up in an hour of exercise you can
eat right back on in about a minute.
mack
austin
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| David Cohen 2005-02-09, 3:23 pm |
|
"happycamper722" <hdefago@hotmail.com> wrote
> It's not a healthy way to diet. Take the word DIET out of our
> Vocabulary and think Healthy Eating. The only way to lose weight is to
> use small portions and a well balanced diet daily with adding 30-60
> minutes a day of some kind of exercise.
The "only" way, huh? No other way of losing weight would work?
You ever hear the expression "ignorance is bliss"? Now we know why you are
'happycamper".
David
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| hellrazor 2005-02-09, 3:23 pm |
| "happycamper722" <hdefago@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1107942020.770787.303280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
> It's not a healthy way to diet. Take the word DIET out of our
> Vocabulary and think Healthy Eating. The only way to lose weight is to
> use small portions and a well balanced diet daily with adding 30-60
> minutes a day of some kind of exercise. Walking coupled with a couple
> of days of extra exercise like strength training or toning exercises.
> My Dr. who is in his late fifties is slim and says eat Green leafy
> vegatables with lean meats. Make sure you get fiber in there too.
> When you follow a diet that you can't eat that way for the rest of your
> life then it's not a good way to lose with.
>
>
AMEN!
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| rick++ 2005-02-09, 3:23 pm |
| All diets fail when they end.
Only a *permanent* lifestyle change works.
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| David Cohen 2005-02-09, 3:23 pm |
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"rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote
> All diets fail when they end.
> Only a *permanent* lifestyle change works.
I don't see "alt.soc.absolutes.morons" in the headers.
"All" diets fail when they end? So if I go on a ________ diet, and when I
reach my goal, switch back to maintenance calories, the diet fails?
If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
won't "work"?
Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
Gee, I guess some absolutes are true.
David
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| elzinator 2005-02-09, 3:23 pm |
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David Cohen wrote:
> Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
>
> Gee, I guess some absolutes are true.
Hey! You better retract that or I'll have to kill you the next time I'm
there and feed you to your dogs (after I stuff you with carrots).
And I'll sick the black ninja horses on you.
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| tabber 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
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elzinator wrote:
> David Cohen wrote:
>
>
> Hey! You better retract that or I'll have to kill you the next time
I'm
> there and feed you to your dogs (after I stuff you with carrots).
> And I'll sick the black ninja horses on you.
Not...The Black Ninja Horses?!?! Nooooooo!!!!!!!
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| Seth Breidbart 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
| In article <1107984205.503214.12960@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
elzinator <elzinator@hotmail.com> wrote:
>David Cohen wrote:
>
>
>Hey! You better retract that or I'll have to kill you the next time I'm
>there and feed you to your dogs (after I stuff you with carrots).
>And I'll sick the black ninja horses on you.
What part of "anonymous" don't you understand?
Seth
--
This is mfw, nobody wants to raise the quality of the
discourse. -- Lyle McDonald
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| Martin Bakalorz 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
| On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:17:40 GMT, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
>won't "work"?
>
>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
<Nit pick>
No it won't work,
At first you are at maintenance calories.
After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
calories are lower.
If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
asymptotically regain to your former weight.
</nit pick>
Just had to defend hotmail posters.
Martin
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| mrblendingtree@hotmail.com (Martin Bakalorz) wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:17:40 GMT, "David Cohen"
><sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
><Nit pick>
>No it won't work,
>At first you are at maintenance calories.
>After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
>calories are lower.
>If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
>asymptotically regain to your former weight.
></nit pick>
>
>Just had to defend hotmail posters.
[a] People don't "change lifestyles" because someone tells them to do
it. Immediate fat loss results can be a major motivation.
[b] A "lifestyle change" won't affect some things, like reduced levels
of circulating leptin due to decreases in adipose mass, so "changing
your lifestyle" is not assured to be a permanent solution.
--
JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net
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| The Gist 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
| raguraam@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.iimahd.ernet.in/~jajoo/gmdiet.html
>
> I just came across this diet program. What do you guys think?
>
> thanks
>
This is just the same old "cabbage soup" diet that as been around for a
long time. Every few years the attribution of its origin changes.
Sometimes it is a hospital, this time it is (somewhat oddly) General
Motors. I doubt very very much this has anything to do with GM.
Do a google search for "cabbage soup diet" and you'll get a lot of
reproductions of this in only slightly varying forms.
Is it effective? Well, probably, then again following the diet tricks of
italian supermodels is far from healthy. I mean, if you were told that
heavy tobacco use suppressed the appetite and stimulated your
metabolism(it does, actually) would you take up smoking?
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|
| First of all..... If people could just cut back or limit their intake
obviously they would lose weight. The problem is that most overweight
people, if not all, are having a psychological problem(s) which makes them
compulsive eaters. Sometimes starting a "new" diet will give them a mental
boost that they need to start losing weight. As they lose weight their
mental outlook gets better and this snowballs into a good amount of weight
lose. I am sure that most all diets, including this one, are not good over
the long term..... But, it may be the diet that triggers something in
certain people to take the plunge in losing weight. I would say that most
overweight people are at much more of a risk of health problems if they
don't lose the weight than if they get on a diet....so why not try a
temporary diet. Actually this diet does have some pretty good food groups
in it with the veggies and fruit. I would say that this diet is probably
better than most of the other wacko diets out there and could be beneficial
over the short run.
-just my $.02 of course.
<raguraam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1107895710.592153.140990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.iimahd.ernet.in/~jajoo/gmdiet.html
>
> I just came across this diet program. What do you guys think?
>
> thanks
>
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| Mack McKinnon 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
|
"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:420babc1.112203219@News.Individual.NET...
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:17:40 GMT, "David Cohen"
> <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> <Nit pick>
> No it won't work,
> At first you are at maintenance calories.
> After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
> calories are lower.
> If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
> asymptotically regain to your former weight.
Not only would he gain the weight back (assuming no eating-habit changes)
but he would gain it back in different places, since some of his old fat
cell storage areas had been liposuctioned away. Depending on how much fat
was lipoed off, the new fat might show up in some pretty weird spots.
I once asked a plastic surgeon I knew if a woman could enlarge her breasts
by having fat lipoed away from all over her body except for her breasts and
then eat to gain weight again. He said, "Sure, in theory at least, that
would work."
mack
austin
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| elzinator 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
|
Mack McKinnon wrote:
> "Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:420babc1.112203219@News.Individual.NET...
pounds[vbcol=seagreen]
way, it[vbcol=seagreen]
maintenance[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Not only would he gain the weight back (assuming no eating-habit
changes)
> but he would gain it back in different places, since some of his old
fat
> cell storage areas had been liposuctioned away. Depending on how
much fat
> was lipoed off, the new fat might show up in some pretty weird spots.
Assuming a male would have the fat removed from the abdominal area, fat
would then accumulate in other regions in line with a adroid pattern:
upper and lower back first, then other areas that may be more
associated with a gynoid pattern: arms and thighs/hips. Eventually,
some of the preadipocytes (the fat cell precurors) in the abdominal
area would then be recruited to become differentiated fat cells and the
ab fat would slowly reappear.
> I once asked a plastic surgeon I knew if a woman could enlarge her
breasts
> by having fat lipoed away from all over her body except for her
breasts and
> then eat to gain weight again. He said, "Sure, in theory at least,
that
> would work."
Sure, theoretically it would because the excess energy has to be stored
somewhere. And the liver 
> mack
> austin
Austin, TX?
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| elzinator 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
|
> mrblendingtree@hotmail.com (Martin Bakalorz) wrote:
>
pounds[vbcol=seagreen]
way, it[vbcol=seagreen]
maintenance[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> [a] People don't "change lifestyles" because someone tells them to do
> it. Immediate fat loss results can be a major motivation.
According to a survey presented at a seminar here, ~57% of patients
having liposuction had no weight gain 6 months post-surgery. However,
~54% of that population reported no weight changes at all. Of the ~43%
who did report weight gain 6 months post-surgery, 56% of that
population gained weight in the range of 5-10 lbs and 28% gained over
11 pounds. The small % that actually realized a weight loss through 6
months post-surgery is pathetically small.
No one can make any person do anything; it has to come from within.
Instant gratification by immdiate weight loss is only one motivation.
But it's short-term. Mostly only those with limited intelligence use
that as their only motivation. There are plenty of other derived
benefits from changing lifestlyes than immediate fatloss.
> [b] A "lifestyle change" won't affect some things, like reduced
levels
> of circulating leptin due to decreases in adipose mass, so "changing
> your lifestyle" is not assured to be a permanent solution.
Nothing in this world is 'assured'. But the high probability of losing
weight and maintaining weight loss that accompanies changing your
lifestyle is a better bet than instant gratification of liposuction.
And decreased leptin is not the only result of weight loss and can
actually be manipulated to a certain extent so as to have less impact
on weight control.
Lifestyle change is a process whereby we make conscious and informed
decisions to take control of how our body interacts with the
environment. Some of us are forced to do that if we want to live a
healthy and fulfilling life. Others do so because they plainly feel
better about themselves and the world around them. The alternative is
to sit on your XXX and give in to your base impulses or continue on a
road to Shitsville.
Regardless, trade offs exist for every choice we make. We are not
puppets. Well some of us are but that's their choice, too. In nearly
all of the literature associated with health issues (mental and
physical), altering lifestyle to favorably mediate the response between
you, your body and the environment is more successful than all the
quick fixes. So if someone wants to sit on their XXX or take the quick
fix, that is their choice, but don't XXXXX about it and make excuses.
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| David Cohen 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
|
"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree@hotmail.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> <Nit pick>
> No it won't work,
> At first you are at maintenance calories.
> After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
> calories are lower.
> If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
> asymptotically regain to your former weight.
> </nit pick>
I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you. However,
I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
>
> Just had to defend hotmail posters.
You are not an "anonymous" Hotmail poster.
In fact, we at the International Zionist Cabal have all your personal
information. BTW, the check you wrote to BDSMtoys.com is gonna' bounce, so
you might want to fix that
David
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| elzinator 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
| On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:26:18 GMT, David Cohen wrote:
>
>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you. However,
>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
I don't think that a reduction of fat (and 20 lbs is a hell of a lot)
will alter BMR that rapidly. So the assertion that maintenance
calories must be reduced to match the fat loss is not correct. Energy
balance must be a deficit if the person is to maintain the fat loss,
however.
Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to make
a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated choices.
If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep it
off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have to
make to reach that goal?
------------------------------
Reality is an illusion created by an intelligence deficiency.
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| David Cohen 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
|
"elzinator" <callofthewest@nospam.net> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>
> I don't think that a reduction of fat (and 20 lbs is a hell of a lot)
> will alter BMR that rapidly. So the assertion that maintenance
> calories must be reduced to match the fat loss is not correct. Energy
> balance must be a deficit if the person is to maintain the fat loss,
> however.
>
> Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to make
> a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated choices.
Dropping 150ish calories from my daily intake and burning 150ish extra
calories a day does not meet "my" definition of "lifestyle change". Your
definition may, of course, vary.
> If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep it
> off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have to
> make to reach that goal?
Eat less, exercise more.
Trick question.
David
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| Dr_Dickie 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
|
"elzinator" <callofthewest@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:gc5o0157vj82fkdhvh9fkrkjgocmu4vs4b@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:26:18 GMT, David Cohen wrote:
pounds[vbcol=seagreen]
it[vbcol=seagreen]
However,[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I don't think that a reduction of fat (and 20 lbs is a hell of a lot)
> will alter BMR that rapidly. So the assertion that maintenance
> calories must be reduced to match the fat loss is not correct. Energy
> balance must be a deficit if the person is to maintain the fat loss,
> however.
>
> Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to make
> a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated choices.
>
> If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep it
> off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have to
> make to reach that goal?
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Reality is an illusion created by an intelligence deficiency.
I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle change
is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not done
so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
(although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I stay
changed, the longer I live).
Dr. Death got it all over Dr. Phil when I comes to fat loss and health.
--
Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
Proud member of the, "Vast right-wing conspiracy."
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| elzinator 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
|
David Cohen wrote:
make[vbcol=seagreen]
choices.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Dropping 150ish calories from my daily intake and burning 150ish
extra
> calories a day does not meet "my" definition of "lifestyle change".
Your
> definition may, of course, vary.
Of course, which is why I proposed the challenge of dropping 12.5
lbs/month and keeping it off. I know you well enough that it might be a
challenge
it[vbcol=seagreen]
to[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Eat less, exercise more.
>
> Trick question.
It's all relative.
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| elzinator 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
|
Dr_Dickie wrote:
make[vbcol=seagreen]
choices.[vbcol=seagreen]
it[vbcol=seagreen]
to[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle
change
> is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not
done
> so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
> (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
> better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I
stay
> changed, the longer I live).
That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
example.
Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
change their lifestyle.
Working with the general public is very enlightening.
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| Dr_Dickie 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
|
"elzinator" <elzinator@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1108130021.972804.167140@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dr_Dickie wrote:
>
> make
> choices.
> it
> to
> change
> done
> stay
>
> That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
> example.
>
> Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
> general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
> etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
> change their lifestyle.
>
> Working with the general public is very enlightening.
Also explains why losing weight is so hard for the public, and why fad diets
are so popular. Takes a lot of work, and a lifetime of vigilance to pull it
off. The general public simply doesn't want to learn and put in the effort
(try teaching college students chemistry!).
--
Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
Proud member of the, "Vast right-wing conspiracy."
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| Charles 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
| On 11 Feb 2005 05:53:42 -0800, "elzinator" <elzinator@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Dr_Dickie wrote:
>
>make
>choices.
>it
>to
>change
>done
>stay
>
>That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
>example.
>
>Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
>general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
>etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
>change their lifestyle.
>
>Working with the general public is very enlightening.
That's all very well, but have you taken into account just how boring
a maintenance diet is?
If you want to enjoy life, and all the good things it has to offer,
you have to accept yo-yo dieting as a way of life.
Life gets teejus don't it?!! ;o)
Have a great weekend - I always do!!
TFIF!!
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| David Cohen 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
|
"elzinator" <elzinator@hotmail.com> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
> make
> choices.
> extra
> Your
>
> Of course, which is why I proposed the challenge of dropping 12.5
> lbs/month and keeping it off. I know you well enough that it might be a
> challenge
Done it before. Probably do it again. Uh...tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow. No
later than Monday. Probably.
> it
> to
>
> It's all relative.
You've met my sisters?
David
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| David Cohen 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
|
"Charles" <charles@msn.com> wrote in message
news:7vgp011vlo4ml8k8jngmj11ja3ac5ofb9o@4ax.com...
> On 11 Feb 2005 05:53:42 -0800, "elzinator" <elzinator@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> That's all very well, but have you taken into account just how boring
> a maintenance diet is?
>
> If you want to enjoy life, and all the good things it has to offer,
> you have to accept yo-yo dieting as a way of life.
Yes.
I am currently in the yo cycle. I'm gonna' switch to the yo cycle at some
point.
David
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| Hobbes 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
| In article <NZ3Pd.5859$UX3.4276@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "David
Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "Charles" <charles@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:7vgp011vlo4ml8k8jngmj11ja3ac5ofb9o@4ax.com...
>
> Yes.
>
> I am currently in the yo cycle. I'm gonna' switch to the yo cycle at some
> point.
Is this the Philly diet?
"Yo, Adrianne!"
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| Charles 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
| On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:14:53 GMT, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>"Charles" <charles@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:7vgp011vlo4ml8k8jngmj11ja3ac5ofb9o@4ax.com...
>
>Yes.
>
>I am currently in the yo cycle. I'm gonna' switch to the yo cycle at some
>point.
As the name implies, you'll know when it's time to revert from one yo
to the other, which normally coincides with that awkward physical fact
of life, when you ultimately (again) can't see your dick when you're
peeing!! ;o)
Have a great weekend David - you know I will!! ;o)
TFIF!!
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| Martin Bakalorz 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
| On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:26:18 GMT, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you.
eh ... I was mainly yanking your chain ...
Howevvvvver ... I think the original hotmailer was closer to right
than the statement below
> However,
>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
The 99.99 percent of dieters who regain all the weight they lost
would tend to disagree with you.
I think a longterm 10% change in calories qualifies as a lifestyle
change.
>
>You are not an "anonymous" Hotmail poster.
>
>In fact, we at the International Zionist Cabal have all your personal
>information. BTW, the check you wrote to BDSMtoys.com is gonna' bounce, so
>you might want to fix that
Ha ... Now I know you're lying; they wont take checks from me or most
other customers, only credit cards.
The only reason they accept checks from you is because you are a
member of their prefered customer club.
Besides which, UPS delivered all my toys yesterday.
I love most of the ones you recomended, although I still don't agree
with your obsession with all the enlargers ...
<shrug> I guess some of us are just more satisfied with what nature
provided than others.
>David
Martin
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| elzinator 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
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Dr_Dickie wrote:
> "elzinator" <elzinator@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1108130021.972804.167140@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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>
> Also explains why losing weight is so hard for the public, and why
fad diets
> are so popular. Takes a lot of work, and a lifetime of vigilance to
pull it
> off. The general public simply doesn't want to learn and put in the
effort
> (try teaching college students chemistry!).
Biochemistry maybe, but not general chem. (taught a few labs in
virology; does that count?)
Make it interesting and they will come
Same with diets. They don't have to be boring.
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| Dr_Dickie 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
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"elzinator" <elzinator@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dr_Dickie wrote:
> daily
> to
> keep
> have
> lifestyle
> not
> more
> eat
> I
> an
> to
> fad diets
> pull it
> effort
>
> Biochemistry maybe, but not general chem. (taught a few labs in
> virology; does that count?)
> Make it interesting and they will come
>
> Same with diets. They don't have to be boring.
By the time you get them to biochem they are already chem or biology
students (studying what they are interested in)--you got a built in hook.
G-chem they just need for general purposes--much harder group to get
involved. Actually, intro chem (chem for nurses and poets--sorry Cohen
that's what some folks call it) was easier. They were just there for general
purpose but the simplicity of the material made it easier to make fun.
Although that had a lot to do with class size as well. G-chem or into at 250
students is a bear. Intro or quant at 25 or 50 students is easier.
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| David Cohen 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
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"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree@hotmail.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> eh ... I was mainly yanking your chain ...
> Howevvvvver ... I think the original hotmailer was closer to right
> than the statement below
But, that would make you wrong.
>
>
> The 99.99 percent of dieters who regain all the weight they lost
> would tend to disagree with you.
>
> I think a longterm 10% change in calories qualifies as a lifestyle
> change.
But, that isn't the case. First, a 10% reduction in bodyfat as a result of
liposuction would cause less than a 10% reduction in maintenance calories.
From, say, about 3000 calories, to about 2800 calories. Second, no one said
you have to account for this with calorie reduction only. A couple hundred
extra calories burned would do, or 100 less calories and 100 extra calories
burned, or etc etc etc. Any such combination does not fit my definition of
"lifestyle change". Your definition, is, of course, your business.
>
>
> Ha ... Now I know you're lying; they wont take checks from me or most
> other customers, only credit cards.
>
> The only reason they accept checks from you is because you are a
> member of their prefered customer club.
Good point.
> Besides which, UPS delivered all my toys yesterday.
> I love most of the ones you recomended, although I still don't agree
> with your obsession with all the enlargers ...
They have many uses. Try to be more imaginative.
> <shrug> I guess some of us are just more satisfied with what nature
> provided than others.
Well, there was that tragic wheat threasher accident 
David
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| "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>But, that isn't the case. First, a 10% reduction in bodyfat as a result of
>liposuction would cause less than a 10% reduction in maintenance calories.
>From, say, about 3000 calories, to about 2800 calories. Second, no one said
>you have to account for this with calorie reduction only. A couple hundred
>extra calories burned would do, or 100 less calories and 100 extra calories
>burned, or etc etc etc. Any such combination does not fit my definition of
>"lifestyle change". Your definition, is, of course, your business.
What does and does not constitute a "lifestyle change"? And how long
must it last to constitute that? How much difference is there,
really, between someone who changes things for a month, gets results,
and gradually gravitates back to the way things were, and someone who
does it for two years before regressing?
--
JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net
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| David Cohen 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
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"JMW" <jmw@event.horizon> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> What does and does not constitute a "lifestyle change"? And how long
> must it last to constitute that? How much difference is there,
> really, between someone who changes things for a month, gets results,
> and gradually gravitates back to the way things were, and someone who
> does it for two years before regressing?
Exactly. As I've been pointing out, the definition of "lifestyle change" is
extremely individual. There is no one answer.
David
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| "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"JMW" <jmw@event.horizon> wrote
>
>Exactly. As I've been pointing out, the definition of "lifestyle change" is
>extremely individual. There is no one answer.
Yes. Some answers are better than others, but even then, it's all a
matter of context.
--
JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net
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| elzinator 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
| On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:12:55 GMT, David Cohen wrote:
>
>"elzinator" <elzinator@hotmail.com> wrote
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>Done it before. Probably do it again. Uh...tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow. No
>later than Monday. Probably.
Point driven home.
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Reality is an illusion created by an intelligence deficiency.
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| Charles 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
| On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:41:57 -0500, JMW <jmw@event.horizon> wrote:
>"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>What does and does not constitute a "lifestyle change"? And how long
>must it last to constitute that? How much difference is there,
>really, between someone who changes things for a month, gets results,
>and gradually gravitates back to the way things were, and someone who
>does it for two years before regressing?
The difference appears, in the scenario you present John, the length
of time between the two respective "regressions"!!
Or is that somewhat too simplistic?
Have a great weekend - you know I will!!
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| Charles 2005-02-12, 1:47 pm |
| On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:23:48 GMT, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>"JMW" <jmw@event.horizon> wrote
>
>Exactly. As I've been pointing out, the definition of "lifestyle change" is
>extremely individual. There is no one answer.
It occurs to me that a lifestyle change is just that. The term does
not infer any degree of limits of time, and certainly not a lifetime
change.
Surely most people are adapting their lifestyles, to some degree,
almost throughout the entirety of their three score and ten. Those
unfortunates with un-co-operative metabolisms, are doomed to obesity
or a lifetime of yo-yo dieting!!
Have a great weekend - you know I will!! ;o)
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