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This morning film maker, writer, artist Theo van Gogh was murdered.

Martijn

2004-11-08, 7:07 am

This morning film maker, writer, artist Theo van Gogh was murdered. Likely
because of his opinions about the Islam.
He was riding his bike when he was shot and stabbed. He was on his way to
see the first editing of his new movie that was just finished.
A movie about the politician Pim Fortuyn, who was murdered 911 days ago..

Frank de Groot

2004-11-09, 4:06 am

"Martijn" <Kw3Ls@hotmal.com> wrote

> This morning film maker, writer, artist Theo van Gogh was murdered. Likely
> because of his opinions about the Islam.

It was because he said on national radio that Mohammed was a child XXXXer.
Making it a suicide.

> He was riding his bike when he was shot and stabbed.

To be more accurate, he was shot and then his throat was cut.
The perpetrator used 2 knives, one to cut his throat and one to attach a
message on a piece of paper to his chest, clearly making it premeditated
murder.

This message has been kept secret up till now.

The interesting thing was that EOM, who predicted the 9/11 attacks, said:
"The next attacks on the US will begin with the assassination of people
worldwide who are the enemy of islam" (or something like that).

Anyway, Theo van Gogh (decendent of the famous painter's brother) was a
respectless hate-mongerer and an opportunistic self-aggrandizing a-hole. He
made his money by selling obscene, insulting garbage and spouting populistic
insults on TV.

Of course everyone has a right to an opinion, but a one-man crusade against
Islam will result in a speedy death, in banana republics like the
Netherlands. The Netherlands is a de-facto islamic state and the Dutch have
wanted it that way, they have spent decades inviting the most radical
islamic people into their borders and encouraged them to bring their
families as well.

If you do not like to be run over by a different culture, do not do your
best to bring them into your country. It is preposterously naive to expect
that your culture will be adopted by a foreign culture. The solution to
culture clashes is not insulting the other culture. The solution is
isolation of cultures, as evolution intended.

derdrittemann

2004-11-09, 7:10 pm

"Frank de Groot" <franciad@online.no> wrote in message news:<l4oid.5188$rh1.153211@news2.e.nsc.no>...
> "What is important that I am a refugee from my country because it has been
> taken over by criminal organizations".

You are a refugee?

Why? Share with us.

I thought you wanted to live in Norway.

derdrittemann

2004-11-09, 7:10 pm

"Frank de Groot" <franciad@online.no> wrote in message news:<NBsid.5265$rh1.154124@news2.e.nsc.no>...
> "> >
> "One reason western countries have become violent, valueless societies is
> exactly the "emancipation" of women.

Really. I was under the impression that "western countries" were among
the best-educated, highest standard of living, most powerful
economically and politically advanced nations in the world.

Twenty years ago, Frank, half of my law school class were women. Long
time ago.

The important thing, here, I would think, is that the individual has
the ability to decide what she wants to do with her life. That all her
options are available...rather than have someone else IMPOSE a
regimented existence on her.
She should get equal pay for equal work. If she is able to do heavy
labor and wants to...then she gets paid the same. Assault and battery
at the hands of her spouse is still assault and battery...regardless
of whether it takes place in the marital home or not. She decides
whether she wears a veil or not...whether she wants to be a physician
or not.

These are just basic, human values...regardless of sex of
ethnicity...strive to treat everyone equally under the law.

When a society discriminates and suppresses half its population...it
weakens itself...especially if it is imposed at the whim of "religious
law".

"Almost nobody understands that and I don't blame you if you don't
either".

That's because what your saying is complete authoritarian
anti-individualistic fascist BULLSHIT.

"Women are not men"...

Whew. Glad you got this one right, at least. Not goats, either,
although I do hear that some of your friends do get occasionally
confused on that score.

"... and they should neither have the same rights, nor the same
> obligations".

Oh...according to you...the great defender of truth and justice for
all...EXCEPT...women?

"Anyone saying otherwise is a fascist, trying to impose things on
women that
> are sociologically, anthropologically and scientifically detrimental".

WRONG.

FASCISIM...Frank...was notorious for the suppression of individual
liberties.
Especially the freedom of expression...of free speech.

YOU are the one sounding like a complete NAZI PIG here.

ANYONE who seems to endorse or approve of MURDER simply because of
what someone says...however offensive...

....is a sick NAZI bastard.

People who go around slitting throats in the name of religion...are
ill-educated, unwashed, raving homicidal maniacs.

The civilized world will not tolerate this.

A_Weisman

2004-11-10, 2:11 am

"Frank de Groot" <franciad@online.no> wrote in message news:<W2Bid.5365$rh1.155385@news2.e.nsc.no>...
> "A_Weisman" <a_weisman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>
>
> Have fun while you still can, "weisman".
> Soon I will know who you are and where you live.

Oooooooh I'm soooooooooo scared francine. You freaking girlyman. Psychotic freak.

Martijn

2004-11-10, 2:11 am

"Frank de Groot" <franciad@online.no> schreef in bericht
news:NBsid.5265$rh1.154124@news2.e.nsc.no...
> "Martijn" <Kw3Ls@hotmal.com> wrote
>
>
> No.
> That is not good. It leads to increased discrimination against women.
> When a woman can lift 2 times less heavy weights but a moving company has
> to
> pay her the same, that company will try not to hire women at all.
>
> Then, what is not good is that women & men have the same *obligations*.
> It flies against the face of science and common sense to oblige women with
> small kids to find a job.
> This is corporate slavery that is responsible for the decay of society.

I was thinking about things like: have the right to vote, ability to become
a doctor, not be obligated to stop working when getting married, etc.
Doing the household and taking care of children is also important work.
Lot's of people don't respect that anough. When someone works at a day care
it's also work. I'm thinking about having choices, not obligations. So, not
obligate women with small kids to find a job. But if they want a part-time
job and share household with their partner then that's fine, in fact I think
that's very good for all members of the family. In contrary, when both
partners work full-time and the kids are "dumped" in a day care, then you
can wonder if that's good.
I think people should have freedom of how to live their lifes, as long as
it's not hurting people. For example: freedom of speech is good, but it has
it's borders, it's not good to insult people, it is not funny. On the other
hand, an insult is only an insult when someone feels insulted. People should
learn not to care too much about what others say. Often it says more about
the speaker.

Frank de Groot

2004-11-10, 2:11 am

"Martijn" <Kw3Ls@hotmal.com> wrote

> hand, an insult is only an insult when someone feels insulted. People
should
> learn not to care too much about what others say. Often it says more about
> the speaker.

I can understand that muslims get nervous when someone says on TV that they
are goatXXXXers and such.
They know that there are more guns than people in Holland.

Look at Rwanda. 1 million people killed because the others were influenced
on radio by one single guy.

People like van Gogh are trying to pick a fight, not doing anything useful.
He tried to start a civil war, that's all he did.
The Dutch are much to cowardly and weak a civil war, so they better not try.

They now pay the price for decades of eager islamization.
Now they shouldn't start to whine.
For decades, immigrants got priority in getting an appartment, they were
encouraged to keep their own language and encouraged in not learning Dutch,
encouraged in not only keeping their religion but encouraged in becoming
more "extreme" (or serious in their religion). Many decades people have
tried to start political parties to do something about it, and ALL OTHER
parties ostracised those political parties. Like nazi's, not democratic at
all.

Therefore NOBODY who voted for any political party except the extreme right
wong party "Centrumpartij" has any right to whine now. It's too late by far.
The only thing left is emigration, but the world is not waiting for millions
of rude, under-educated, arrogant Dutch.

A_Weisman

2004-11-10, 2:11 am

"Frank de Groot" <franciad@online.no> wrote in message news:<oNCid.5370$rh1.155410@news2.e.nsc.no>...
> "A_Weisman" <a_weisman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> It seems that Bin laden has something in store for you, punk.
>
> http://www.trackingterrorism.com/De...r=670&artid=659
>
> Why don't you tell your Nazi dept. of homeland security that.

Frank you've expressed some lovely sentiments on this thread. All
archived for evidence against you.

Martijn

2004-11-10, 2:11 am

"Frank de Groot" <franciad@online.no> schreef in bericht
news:ct5jd.5638$rh1.162182@news2.e.nsc.no...

> The only thing left is emigration, but the world is not waiting for
> millions
> of rude, under-educated, arrogant Dutch.

I might immigrate to Portugal, it seems a nice country to me and I'm not
rude, under-educated and arrogant.

A_Weisman

2004-11-10, 4:08 am

"Frank de Groot" <franciad@online.no> wrote in message news:<DNRhd.4903$rh1.129897@news2.e.nsc.no>...
> "Martijn" <Kw3Ls@hotmal.com> wrote
>
>
> It was because he said on national radio that Mohammed was a child XXXXer.
> Making it a suicide.
>
>
> To be more accurate, he was shot and then his throat was cut.
> The perpetrator used 2 knives, one to cut his throat and one to attach a
> message on a piece of paper to his chest, clearly making it premeditated
> murder.
>
> This message has been kept secret up till now.

You mean secret amongst you and the others in your terrorist cell?

> The interesting thing was that EOM, who predicted the 9/11 attacks, said:
> "The next attacks on the US will begin with the assassination of people
> worldwide who are the enemy of islam" (or something like that).

Frank de groot communicating yet another terrorist threat.

> Anyway, Theo van Gogh (decendent of the famous painter's brother) was a
> respectless hate-mongerer and an opportunistic self-aggrandizing a-hole. He
> made his money by selling obscene, insulting garbage and spouting populistic
> insults on TV.
>
> Of course everyone has a right to an opinion, but a one-man crusade against
> Islam will result in a speedy death, in banana republics like the
> Netherlands. The Netherlands is a de-facto islamic state and the Dutch have
> wanted it that way, they have spent decades inviting the most radical
> islamic people into their borders and encouraged them to bring their
> families as well.
>
> If you do not like to be run over by a different culture, do not do your
> best to bring them into your country. It is preposterously naive to expect
> that your culture will be adopted by a foreign culture. The solution to
> culture clashes is not insulting the other culture. The solution is
> isolation of cultures, as evolution intended.

More terrorist threats.

Reported to Department of Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, Interpol etc.

Frank de Groot

2004-11-10, 4:08 am

"A_Weisman" <a_weisman@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> More terrorist threats.
>
> Reported to Department of Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, Interpol etc.

Have fun while you still can, "weisman".
Soon I will know who you are and where you live.

Frank de Groot

2004-11-16, 4:30 pm

"derdrittemann" <derdrittemann2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> Only on sci.med.diseases.lyme can you learn stuff like this.

A picture of Mr. Van Gogh with 2 knives sticking out of him:

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/4214/gogh.jpg

(The small knife is used to pin a note calling for Jihad to his tummy).

Martijn

2004-11-16, 4:30 pm

"Frank de Groot" <franciad@online.no> schreef in bericht
news:YaShd.4904$rh1.130876@news2.e.nsc.no...

> They have no values. They do not respect the elderly, they do not respect
> anything.

True, not much respect for elderly. People are too much busy with work,
career, making money, having big house, car, etc. it's a consumption
society.

> Theo van Gogh signed his own death warrant by proclaiming that fundamental
> muslims are "goat XXXXers".

And recently he made the short movie "Submission" with the script of Ayaan
Hirsi Ali, a movie about violence against Muslimwomen. They were both
threatened, but Ayaan has protection.

Some more info:
"Dutch probe Casablanca link to filmmaker death":
http://home.eircom.net/content/reut...?view=Eircomnet

> This was untrue, and he knew it. The Dutch have grown accustomed to gross
> insults, but they decided that it was a very good idea to invite millions
> of
> fundamentalistic muslims. And now they don't like their "slaves" any more.
> They were supposed to be slaves! Danm, something went wrong and now the
> slaves are getting stronger than their masters!

Until 2002 they were busy planting "asylum seekers centra" everywhere across
the country, and if you critised the policies, you were called a racist.

> Now, the muslims refuse to keep up with the onslaught of porn, violence in
> the media, discrimination, verbal abuse, restrictive laws, low prison
> sentences for murderers, censorship, respectless treatment in hospitals
> etc.
> To them, our culture is totally barbaric in many respects. They want to
> save
> us, for our own good and for their own future.

Every culture has it's good and bad things. For example: that women have
more or less the same rights in the Netherlands is good.

Martijn

2004-11-16, 4:30 pm

"Frank de Groot" <franciad@online.no> schreef in bericht
news:DNRhd.4903$rh1.129897@news2.e.nsc.no...

> Anyway, Theo van Gogh (decendent of the famous painter's brother) was a
> respectless hate-mongerer and an opportunistic self-aggrandizing a-hole.

Yes, he was. Lots of people here now say he was an advocate of the right to
have an opinion, but he was just insulting and very rude. People thinks it's
funny to be rude and insult people, but all that crap has a bad influence on
the society.

> Of course everyone has a right to an opinion, but a one-man crusade
> against
> Islam will result in a speedy death, in banana republics like the
> Netherlands.

He was also insulting the Christians, he was insulting whenever he could.
Difference is that insulting Islam is dangerous. Especially when you make a
movie with a politician, who has some influence. I think Ayaan must be very
careful..

Frank de Groot

2004-11-16, 4:30 pm

"Martijn" <Kw3Ls@hotmal.com> wrote

> He was also insulting the Christians, he was insulting whenever he could.

I think he forfeited his right to live by defending the right to smoke.

> Difference is that insulting Islam is dangerous. Especially when you make
a
> movie with a politician, who has some influence. I think Ayaan must be
very
> careful..

Ayaan has no chance of survival unless she will be forever under the
strictest protection.
I am pretty sure "assassination lists" are being drawn up by the provisional
islamic government of the Netherlands.

This is what I said about it:

"Hieke" <takeawaythis.kigerryder@dutchweb.nl> wrote

> Alleen communicatie met mensen om zich heen had de verdachte volgens haar
af
> kunnen brengen van de gedachte dat het normaal is om iemand te doden wiens
> mening jou niet aanstaat. "Nergens ter wereld is het normaal om iemand te
> vermoorden omdat je het niet met hem eens bent."

Da's totaal gelul, en dat weet ze donders goed.
In zelfs het gematigste islamitische land ben je binnen een paar dagen dood
als je op TV en radio zegt dat Mohammed een kinderverkrachter was. Niet zo
slim he, dat te doen.. (Behalve als je zelfmoord wil plegen).
Het "probleem" is dat er zoveel moslims in NL wonen als je zo graag
ongestraft grove beledigingen wilt doen aan het heiligste wat de moslims
hebben. Het probleem is niet dat de moslims geen ongelovigen willen worden.
Het is belachelijk te willen dat iemand van zijn geloof afstapt omdat ie in
een ander land gaat wonen.

Dat zou een nederlander ook niet doen. Dus waarom zoveel moslims naar NL
gehaald?
Er zijn toch wel een paar deskundigen die hadden kunnen voorspellen dat dat
tot een volledige islamisering zal leiden?
Kinderaantal, demografische origine en zo. Miljoenen laag opgeleide moslims.
Die zetten hun eigen land op in nederland. Uiteraard. Een schaduw-land met
hun eigen scholen, kerken, regels, taxibedrijven, winkels, stadsdelen,
TV-stations etc. Maar de kaaseters vonden dat een geweldige verrijking,
konden ze eens iets anders dan kaas eten.

Als nederlanders geen zin hebben in een islamitisch land te wonen dan moeten
ze de moslims niet uitnodigen.
Achteraf hun geloof gaan uitschelden en naief hopen dat de moslims van hun
geloof afstappen heeft geen zin, behalve dat het uiteindelijk tot een
burgeroorlog kan leiden.

Nederland is al zeer ver voorbij het punt dat er nog iets gedaan kan worden
aan de islamisering.
Als andere landen niet ge-islamiseerd willen worden, moeten ze een voorbeeld
aan NL nemen, hoe het niet moet.
(Hint: Geen miljoenen moslims uitnodigen).

Maar de nederlander is zo overtuigd van zijn superieure kultuur dat hij zich
niet kon voorstellen dat men zich niet zou "aanpassen". Dat moslims opeens
hun anus niet meer zouden wassen maar de stront er omheen smeren, dat de
moslim opeens porno vrouwvriendelijk zou vinden en zo. Moslims vinden het
grootste deel van de NL kultuur barbaars, en ze hebben nog gelijk ook, dat
maakt het zo moeilijk voor ze om te assimileren.

Kulturen zijn niet voor niks gescheiden geevolueerd.

Honderdduizenden van de best opgeleide nederlanders zijn al gevlucht en er
zullen er nog honderdduizenden volgen.
Dit versnelt het islamiseringsproces. Links & rechts, beiden even dom. Links
denkt dat nederland een Sharia-staat moet worden, rechts denkt dat alle
moslims terroristen zijn en dat hun kultuur minderwaardig is en dat de beste
oplossing het uitroeien van hun kultuur is en dat het een geweldig idee is
hun land met radioaktiviteit te vervuilen (Irak).

Allebei geen oplossing.
Het probleem is dat als je bedrijven de macht geeft, dat ze slaven gaan
binnenhalen ("gastarbeiders").
Daar is het mee begonnen. En die bedrijven slaagden erin ons wijs te maken
dat we Nazi's waren als we zeiden: "Dit is niet zo'n slim idee".

Er is dus iets mis met kapitalistisch-democratische systemen.
In Pakistan heeft men geen problemen met kaaseters. Daar kan een kaaseter
geen kerk beginnen of een kaaseter-school. Dat mag niet. Dus houdt men
Pakistan lekker leuk, geen gezeur met beledigingen over & weer en zo.
Prima systeem hoor, een diktatuur, zolang de diktator maar een beetje
redelijker is dan "het volk".

In NL gaf het volk hun land weg aan de moslims.
Dat vonden ze beter zo.
Ja, het nederlandse volk was erg slim. Regeerde zichzelf de grond in.

Frank de Groot

2004-11-16, 4:30 pm

"Martijn" <Kw3Ls@hotmal.com> wrote

> Every culture has it's good and bad things. For example: that women have
> more or less the same rights in the Netherlands is good.

No.
That is not good. It leads to increased discrimination against women.
When a woman can lift 2 times less heavy weights but a moving company has to
pay her the same, that company will try not to hire women at all.

Then, what is not good is that women & men have the same *obligations*.
It flies against the face of science and common sense to oblige women with
small kids to find a job.
This is corporate slavery that is responsible for the decay of society.

One reason western countries have become violent, valueless societies is
exactly the "emancipation" of women.
Almost nobody understands that and I donæt vlame you if you don't either.

Women are not men and they should neither have the same rights, nor the same
obligations.
Anyone saying otherwise is a fascist, trying to impose things on women that
are sociologically, anthropologically and scientifically detrimental.

In norway, some companies got into great trouble.
There is a new law that said that women HAD to make up 40% or more in the
company "council".
But the more technical companies didn't have any women volunteers. They were
interviewed and they said: "We are not interested in this, neither do we
know enough about this".

Then the government told those companies: "If you don't put more women in
those councils, we will have to fine you or close you down". So they removed
some motivated experts (males) and replaced them with coffee ladies, bribed
for their cooperation with small wage increases. Result: Deteriorating
international competitive position, nervous coffee ladies, desillusioned
ex-council members.

Frank de Groot

2004-11-16, 4:30 pm

"Frank de Groot" <franciad@online.no> wrote in message
news:NBsid.5265$rh1.154124@news2.e.nsc.no...
> "Martijn" <Kw3Ls@hotmal.com> wrote
>
>
> No.
> That is not good. It leads to increased discrimination against women.
> When a woman can lift 2 times less heavy weights but a moving company has
to
> pay her the same, that company will try not to hire women at all.

I think I should explain.
It should not be illegal to reward people according to their abilities &
contributions.
Giving women "equal rights" is something else than making it illegal to give
a woman a lower wage because the quality of her work is less.

This in fact leads to totally-male dominated professions, in fact it leads
to an almost total segregation of women in many parts of society. I have
hardly ever met a non-lesbian or non-transsexual programmer, for example.

Martijn

2004-11-16, 4:30 pm

Frank de Groot

2004-11-16, 4:30 pm

"A_Weisman" <a_weisman@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> Frank you've expressed some lovely sentiments on this thread. All
> archived for evidence against you.

It's not illegal to have opinions, fool.
You will discover that calling for assasination of people and accusing them
of crimes however will cause great trouble.

A_Weisman

2004-11-16, 4:30 pm