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Elevating bed cause me to slide down. Soulution?
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| me@privacy.net 2006-04-12, 11:12 am |
| I've elevated my bed a lot. maybe 10"
Problem is I slide down every night.
Elevating my bed that high was best thing I've done.
feel much better
Any ideas on how to solve sliding problem tho?
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| me@privacy.net wrote:
> I've elevated my bed a lot. maybe 10"
>
> Problem is I slide down every night.
>
> Elevating my bed that high was best thing I've done.
> feel much better
>
> Any ideas on how to solve sliding problem tho?
Your mattress will also slide off the box spring a little each day and you
have to give it a shove back up each day. Without building an elaborate
contraption (like some kind of footboard) that may make your bed/bedroom
look like hell, I have no easy quick fix...Pete
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| me@privacy.net 2006-04-12, 1:09 pm |
| "Pete" <pete@nospam.net> wrote:
> (like some kind of footboard)
Actually that is what I was thinking of doing
Building a platform style bed that had adjustable head
height and a "lip" at foot end to keep mattress on the
frame
Something like this exist already by any chance?
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| Suddenly, without warning, me@privacy.net exclaimed (4/12/2006 4:19 PM):
> I've elevated my bed a lot. maybe 10"
>
> Problem is I slide down every night.
>
> Elevating my bed that high was best thing I've done.
> feel much better
>
> Any ideas on how to solve sliding problem tho?
Buy a big roll of that stuff they use on boat shelves to keep stuff
sliding. 
Hmmm. I wonder if it would work UNDER the sheet...
Just kidding. I'll be watching this thread, as I may try raising the
head of my bed as well.
jmc
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| me@privacy.net 2006-04-12, 6:06 pm |
| jmc <NOnewsgroupsSPAM@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote:
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>Just kidding. I'll be watching this thread, as I may try raising the
>head of my bed as well.
well raising my bed sure helped me!
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| me@privacy.net wrote:
> "Pete" <pete@nospam.net> wrote:
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> Actually that is what I was thinking of doing
>
> Building a platform style bed that had adjustable head
> height and a "lip" at foot end to keep mattress on the
> frame
>
> Something like this exist already by any chance?
Sorry...don't know of anything :-) .
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| Vanny 2006-04-13, 11:09 am |
| Raising my bed made a significant difference to my GERD. I slide down too
and it was annoying especially at the beginning, but now I find that if I
have slid down then I reach up to the bed head and pull myself up. I do that
now in my sleep I think because I very rarely find myself at the bottom of
the bed in the morning.
There are adjustable bed frames where the head and food ends can be raised.
If you buy one (cheaper than buying an all singing all dancing adjustable
electric bed) then a tip is to turn it round so that the foot end becomes
the head end because this tends to have a more gradual and longer incline -
must be checked out at the shop.
How I solved it was to have a wedge made for myself (not adjustable). I have
an under mattress and a thin (3 inch) overmattress and I had a hard foam
wedge made to place between. The wedge needs to be the length of you down to
your thighs and then taper from there up to the desired height at the head
of the bed. Mine is 8" high and some 4 foot long.
Don't we have any engineers here?
Vanny
<me@privacy.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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jmc <NOnewsgroupsSPAM@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote:
>
>Just kidding. I'll be watching this thread, as I may try raising the
>head of my bed as well.
well raising my bed sure helped me!
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| Vanny wrote:
> Raising my bed made a significant difference to my GERD. I slide down
> too and it was annoying especially at the beginning, but now I find
> that if I have slid down then I reach up to the bed head and pull
> myself up. I do that now in my sleep I think because I very rarely
> find myself at the bottom of the bed in the morning.
>
> There are adjustable bed frames where the head and food ends can be
> raised. If you buy one (cheaper than buying an all singing all
> dancing adjustable electric bed) then a tip is to turn it round so
> that the foot end becomes the head end because this tends to have a
> more gradual and longer incline - must be checked out at the shop.
>
> How I solved it was to have a wedge made for myself (not adjustable).
> I have an under mattress and a thin (3 inch) overmattress and I had a
> hard foam wedge made to place between. The wedge needs to be the
> length of you down to your thighs and then taper from there up to the
> desired height at the head of the bed. Mine is 8" high and some 4
> foot long.
>
> Don't we have any engineers here?
Now I know no one reads my posts (just kidding Vanny). I am an engineer,
and you may not remember my woodworking spiel on shimming the beautiful
headboard I built for my bed so it is perpendicular to the floor after
raising the head of my bed. Oh well enough of that, it may have gone over
your head.
I believe Bill's previous posts are correct about bed wedges (in general).
He says wedges may do more harm than good especially if they are not long
enough, and I agree. The ideal way is to raise the head of the bed and have
one continual ramped plane (so to speak) from the head of the bed to the
foot of the bed, so you don't get any binding up around the LES area (that
you may get with a bed wedge - especially if it is a short wedge). But for
all you people who use wedges, and they work for you, then go for it (but
you should certainly make sure they are adequate length to get past the LES,
like Vanny implied).
And don't forget some people report more reflux when standing up, and less
reflux when laying flat on their back, if you will recall :-) . But (since
I am an engineer, as well as a serious researcher of the human anatomy) I do
generally believe in the gravity and liquid achieving its own level theory
that Bill is always talking about, and I am sure it applies to more people
than not. There are many fascinating designs in the body that are designed
to counteract the effect of gravity (such as the "check valves" in veins
that assure the blood keeps flowing back to the heart).
Pete
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> Vanny
>
> <me@privacy.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:utjq32lmjma1bj274t9adijsjk0ctgqgrc@4ax.com...
> jmc <NOnewsgroupsSPAM@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote:
>
>
> well raising my bed sure helped me!
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| I wondering if it might not be a good idea to take my one Nexium (20
mg) at night rather than in the day, thinking perhaps it's this gravity
thing, and why not put the acid fighter to work at night?
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| Vanny 2006-04-14, 11:08 am |
| Sorry Pete,
You're right it did go over my head or rather through one ear and out the
other. I am not too compos mentis at the moment due to the short bowel
syndrome and litres of diarrhoea each day and the ensuing nutrient, mineral
and vitamin deficiencies. Over 13 months after the operation I have manage
to assert myself and now receive vitamin B12, folic acid injections and
vitamins A, D, E, and K injections. This treatment I should have received at
the latest in March last year, but it took over 8 months to find a doctor
that could make a diagnosis.
I am pleased that the wedge works for me, but I stress that it is a real
wedge and does approximately the same job as raising the bed because it is
long, i.e. it is not a wedge pillow, and I am not sleeping kinked in the
middle, which would really worsen the GERD for me.
I will go and write out a hundred times that "Pete is an engineer".
No trauma intended.
Vanny
"Pete" <pete@nospam.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Vanny wrote:
> Raising my bed made a significant difference to my GERD. I slide down
> too and it was annoying especially at the beginning, but now I find
> that if I have slid down then I reach up to the bed head and pull
> myself up. I do that now in my sleep I think because I very rarely
> find myself at the bottom of the bed in the morning.
>
> There are adjustable bed frames where the head and food ends can be
> raised. If you buy one (cheaper than buying an all singing all
> dancing adjustable electric bed) then a tip is to turn it round so
> that the foot end becomes the head end because this tends to have a
> more gradual and longer incline - must be checked out at the shop.
>
> How I solved it was to have a wedge made for myself (not adjustable).
> I have an under mattress and a thin (3 inch) overmattress and I had a
> hard foam wedge made to place between. The wedge needs to be the
> length of you down to your thighs and then taper from there up to the
> desired height at the head of the bed. Mine is 8" high and some 4
> foot long.
>
> Don't we have any engineers here?
Now I know no one reads my posts (just kidding Vanny). I am an engineer,
and you may not remember my woodworking spiel on shimming the beautiful
headboard I built for my bed so it is perpendicular to the floor after
raising the head of my bed. Oh well enough of that, it may have gone over
your head.
I believe Bill's previous posts are correct about bed wedges (in general).
He says wedges may do more harm than good especially if they are not long
enough, and I agree. The ideal way is to raise the head of the bed and have
one continual ramped plane (so to speak) from the head of the bed to the
foot of the bed, so you don't get any binding up around the LES area (that
you may get with a bed wedge - especially if it is a short wedge). But for
all you people who use wedges, and they work for you, then go for it (but
you should certainly make sure they are adequate length to get past the LES,
like Vanny implied).
And don't forget some people report more reflux when standing up, and less
reflux when laying flat on their back, if you will recall :-) . But (since
I am an engineer, as well as a serious researcher of the human anatomy) I do
generally believe in the gravity and liquid achieving its own level theory
that Bill is always talking about, and I am sure it applies to more people
than not. There are many fascinating designs in the body that are designed
to counteract the effect of gravity (such as the "check valves" in veins
that assure the blood keeps flowing back to the heart).
Pete
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> Vanny
>
> <me@privacy.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:utjq32lmjma1bj274t9adijsjk0ctgqgrc@4ax.com...
> jmc <NOnewsgroupsSPAM@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote:
>
>
> well raising my bed sure helped me!
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| Suddenly, without warning, Mary exclaimed (4/14/2006 5:04 AM):
> I wondering if it might not be a good idea to take my one Nexium (20
> mg) at night rather than in the day, thinking perhaps it's this gravity
> thing, and why not put the acid fighter to work at night?
>
I'm currently taking my Nexium in the evening, an hour or two before
bedtime. Seems to help. Not 100% sure though, since the dosage was
upped at the same time (40mg).
jmc
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| Bill Poston 2006-04-14, 11:08 am |
| On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:19:39 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:
>I've elevated my bed a lot. maybe 10"
>
>Problem is I slide down every night.
>
>Elevating my bed that high was best thing I've done.
>feel much better
>
>Any ideas on how to solve sliding problem tho?
About the raised bed thing. Believe it or not, my bed is raised 17".
My wife and I do slide down slightly during sleep but no problem. We
scrooch up maybe once a night. We don't have to use a footboard or
such.
I think the secret is we have a queen bed and it's a good quality foam
Sealy (I think) sold by Sears 15 years ago. I'm not sure if Sears
still sells them. I think foam is the difference to sliding down. Foam
is not as heavy as the innerspring mattresses.
But, it works great. And if you think about the gravity thing with
liquid in the stomach, I think everyone should sleep on a raised head
bed, but, not a wedge. Wedge causes more problems because it puts more
pressure on the LES and with some weak LES just the slightest pressure
causes more problems.
It is hilarious to me that many people are more concerned with the
looks of their bed being raised than their health. When I have
suggested this to some people they make a face and say, "Oh, that
would look awful." So for the one day out of the year when a visitor
just might peek into their bedroom, they are willing to live with GERD
all their life.
Good luck to all.
Bill Poston
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| Howard McCollister 2006-04-14, 11:08 am |
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"Bill Poston" <poston8[at]comcast[dot]net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:19:39 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:
>
>
> About the raised bed thing. Believe it or not, my bed is raised 17".
>
> My wife and I do slide down slightly during sleep but no problem. We
> scrooch up maybe once a night. We don't have to use a footboard or
> such.
>
> I think the secret is we have a queen bed and it's a good quality foam
> Sealy (I think) sold by Sears 15 years ago. I'm not sure if Sears
> still sells them. I think foam is the difference to sliding down. Foam
> is not as heavy as the innerspring mattresses.
>
> But, it works great. And if you think about the gravity thing with
> liquid in the stomach, I think everyone should sleep on a raised head
> bed, but, not a wedge. Wedge causes more problems because it puts more
> pressure on the LES and with some weak LES just the slightest pressure
> causes more problems.
>
> It is hilarious to me that many people are more concerned with the
> looks of their bed being raised than their health. When I have
> suggested this to some people they make a face and say, "Oh, that
> would look awful." So for the one day out of the year when a visitor
> just might peek into their bedroom, they are willing to live with GERD
> all their life.
>
> Good luck to all.
>
Elevating the head of the bed, whether via wedge or some amazing feat of
engineering, will indeed help in some cases of GERD, but definitely not all.
Gravity is not the issue, the functionality of the LES is. Laying flat AND
having a low resting pressure (floppy LES) will likely result in reflux.
I review hundreds of 48 hour ambulatory pH tests every year. From that, I
note that the majority of GERD sufferers are NOT night-time refluxers. In
those patients, elevating the head of the bed is highly unlikely to help.
HMc
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| Mary wrote:
> I wondering if it might not be a good idea to take my one Nexium (20
> mg) at night rather than in the day, thinking perhaps it's this
> gravity thing, and why not put the acid fighter to work at night?
Worth a try Mary.
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| Vanny wrote:
> Sorry Pete,
>
> You're right it did go over my head or rather through one ear and out
> the other. I am not too compos mentis at the moment due to the short
> bowel syndrome and litres of diarrhoea each day and the ensuing
> nutrient, mineral and vitamin deficiencies. Over 13 months after the
> operation I have manage to assert myself and now receive vitamin B12,
> folic acid injections and vitamins A, D, E, and K injections. This
> treatment I should have received at the latest in March last year,
> but it took over 8 months to find a doctor that could make a
> diagnosis.
>
> I am pleased that the wedge works for me, but I stress that it is a
> real wedge and does approximately the same job as raising the bed
> because it is long, i.e. it is not a wedge pillow, and I am not
> sleeping kinked in the middle, which would really worsen the GERD for
> me.
>
> I will go and write out a hundred times that "Pete is an engineer".
>
> No trauma intended.
>
> Vanny
Thanks Vanny...As always, I wish you the very best on dealing with your
condition :-) ...Pete
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| me@privacy.net 2006-04-14, 6:08 pm |
| "Pete" <pete@nospam.net> wrote:
>The ideal way is to raise the head of the bed and have
>one continual ramped plane (so to speak) from the head of the bed to the
>foot of the bed, so you don't get any binding up around the LES area (that
>you may get with a bed wedge
Exactly!
My doc said to NOT use a bed wedge.... to raise head of
bed instead
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| me@privacy.net 2006-04-14, 6:08 pm |
| "Vanny" <VannySS2003@antispam.com> wrote:
>I am pleased that the wedge works for me, but I stress that it is a real
>wedge and does approximately the same job as raising the bed because it is
>long,
have a link to where you bought this LONG bed wedge?
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| me@privacy.net 2006-04-14, 6:08 pm |
| Bill Poston <poston8[at]comcast[dot]net> wrote:
>I think the secret is we have a queen bed and it's a good quality foam
>Sealy (I think) sold by Sears 15 years ago. I'm not sure if Sears
>still sells them. I think foam is the difference to sliding down. Foam
>is not as heavy as the innerspring mattresses.
Ahh... very good point!
get rid of the heavy mattress (mass) and use foam
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| I had it made for me at the local mattress shop and it cost 35 Euros I think
in 2003. The thin mattress that is placed over the top of it is full of
cotton, I think, whatever it is it has no springs in it.
V.
<me@privacy.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"Vanny" <VannySS2003@antispam.com> wrote:
>I am pleased that the wedge works for me, but I stress that it is a real
>wedge and does approximately the same job as raising the bed because it is
>long,
have a link to where you bought this LONG bed wedge?
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| Ok, so is the consensus that a bed wedge does NOT help because it (a)
might bind a floppy spincter (LES) or (b) gravity doesn't make that
much difference to those who are not night refluxers anyway but that an
elevated bed - or a full length wedge - might help because this is a
structural problem? And acid reduction medicine at night: maybe.
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| Howard McCollister 2006-04-15, 11:10 am |
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"Mary" <marymele@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, so is the consensus that a bed wedge does NOT help because it (a)
> might bind a floppy spincter (LES) or (b) gravity doesn't make that
> much difference to those who are not night refluxers anyway but that an
> elevated bed - or a full length wedge - might help because this is a
> structural problem? And acid reduction medicine at night: maybe.
>
My opinion is that elevating the esophagus above the level of the stomach
MIGHT help, and should always be tried. I have no clue about wedges vs
blocking the head of the bed up. This concept of "binding the LES" doesn't
make sense to me. I would use whichever method was most comfortable for
sleeping.
HMc
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| Lese Mollel 2006-04-16, 1:09 am |
| I just checked my mattress and I am sleeping on a cotton blanket and my bed
is raised 6 inches and I keep the bottom tucked in and I don't notice myself
sliding out of bed if that helps.
"Howard McCollister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> "Mary" <marymele@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1145071965.326823.202050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> My opinion is that elevating the esophagus above the level of the stomach
> MIGHT help, and should always be tried. I have no clue about wedges vs
> blocking the head of the bed up. This concept of "binding the LES" doesn't
> make sense to me. I would use whichever method was most comfortable for
> sleeping.
>
> HMc
>
>
>
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| Vanny 2006-04-16, 11:08 am |
| I suggest that you chuck away your silk sheets and silk pyjamas and buy
flannel :-)
Vanny
Seriously what you wear in bed will influence how far you slide. I suppose
that roping yourself in would be a bit extreme, but appealing to certain
subgroups of the population.
<me@privacy.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I've elevated my bed a lot. maybe 10"
Problem is I slide down every night.
Elevating my bed that high was best thing I've done.
feel much better
Any ideas on how to solve sliding problem tho?
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