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| shoemakerted@yahoo.com 2006-03-22, 1:31 pm |
| Hello,
I have two daughters with acid reflux, and they have slightly different
symptoms from each other.
Is there a general one-size-fits-all diet for acid reflux, or does each
person have to experiment to find out what triggers her own symptoms?
Any responses or recommended reading will be appreciated.
Ted Shoemaker
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| Howard McCollister 2006-03-22, 1:31 pm |
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<shoemakerted@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> I have two daughters with acid reflux, and they have slightly different
> symptoms from each other.
> Is there a general one-size-fits-all diet for acid reflux, or does each
> person have to experiment to find out what triggers her own symptoms?
>
> Any responses or recommended reading will be appreciated.
>
> Ted Shoemaker
The diet is pretty standardized. I could recite the litany but you'd be
better off doing a google search on "diet of acid reflux" or "GERD diet".
However, successful non-surgical management of the symptoms is more than
just diet - lifestyle modifications play a large role too. Nothing to eat
after 8pm, weight loss, method of eating (slowly), small meals, etc etc.
Be aware that the mechanisms involved in causing GERD vary from person to
person, and so does the effectiveness of treatment with medication, diet,
and lifestyle modfications.
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shoemakerted@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have two daughters with acid reflux, and they have slightly different
> symptoms from each other.
> Is there a general one-size-fits-all diet for acid reflux, or does each
> person have to experiment to find out what triggers her own symptoms?
>
> Any responses or recommended reading will be appreciated.
>
> Ted Shoemaker
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shoemakerted@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have two daughters with acid reflux, and they have slightly different
> symptoms from each other.
> Is there a general one-size-fits-all diet for acid reflux, or does each
> person have to experiment to find out what triggers her own symptoms?
>
> Any responses or recommended reading will be appreciated.
>
> Ted Shoemaker
remember eveyones digestion is the same
the cause is eating too much food and not letting the food
digest,simple?
moke
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| i am not aware of ANY treatment or medications for GERD,
am i correct?
moke
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| Here are a couple of references for you. The first deals with life-style
changes for the management of GERD
http://www.gicare.com/pated/ecdgs39.htm . Based on my experience I can add
that sweets and cough syrups are not a good idea. Sugar free sweets are OK
if you have a GERD sore throat, but no menthol, etc., sweets. It is going to
involve a lot of trial and error and a lot of big mistakes, such as me
trying to fit in with the crowd and drink wine and eat truffles at Xmas
(that was not a good idea and my GERD raged out of control for a few days).
I have given up milk and live off steamed or poached food. A pressure cooker
is a good idea if one is compos mentis enough to use it. The lack of fatty
(=tasty) foods in the diet can be compensated for by buying organic
products, depending on the budget, which are very tasty and give life after
the GERD diagnosis a new meaning. I have also removed all artificial
additives and preservatives from my diet, but that move was triggered by my
MSG (monosodium glutamate) intolerance and it is suggested to be a good move
if you have Crohn's disease (my other constant companion).
Here is the best GERD reference that I have found on the web to date:
http://www.reutershealth.com/wellconnected/doc85.html
Vanny
<shoemakerted@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Hello,
I have two daughters with acid reflux, and they have slightly different
symptoms from each other.
Is there a general one-size-fits-all diet for acid reflux, or does each
person have to experiment to find out what triggers her own symptoms?
Any responses or recommended reading will be appreciated.
Ted Shoemaker
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| moke wrote:
> shoemakerted@yahoo.com wrote:
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> remember eveyones digestion is the same
Huh!!! Howard, do you believe this guy.
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> the cause is eating too much food and not letting the food
> digest,simple?
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> moke
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| Howard McCollister 2006-03-23, 6:11 pm |
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"Pete" <pete@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> moke wrote:
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> Huh!!! Howard, do you believe this guy.
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No. He's either a troll, or completely clueless about GERD.
HMc
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| dauphin 2006-03-28, 5:11 pm |
| Foodwhich you should avoid incase of acid reflux
coffee (including decaf)
alcohol
tomatoes and tomato based foods such as pasta sauces and tomato juice
citrus foods and juices
garlic and foods containing garlic
onion and foods containing onion
spicy foods
these food stimulate stomach acid production
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| Howard McCollister 2006-03-29, 12:13 am |
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"dauphin" <dauphinbell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Foodwhich you should avoid incase of acid reflux
> coffee (including decaf)
> alcohol
> tomatoes and tomato based foods such as pasta sauces and tomato juice
> citrus foods and juices
> garlic and foods containing garlic
> onion and foods containing onion
> spicy foods
> these food stimulate stomach acid production
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No. Those foods should be avoided because they cause or contribute to
transient inappropriate LES relaxation, which results in reflux. Nothing to
do with stimulating stomach acid production.
HMc
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| Howard McCollister wrote:
> "dauphin" <dauphinbell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1143578730.902573.149020@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> No. Those foods should be avoided because they cause or contribute to
> transient inappropriate LES relaxation, which results in reflux.
> Nothing to do with stimulating stomach acid production.
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> HMc
Howard...I understand your first sentence. But some foods/liquids do
stimulate stomach acid (milk is one of the worst if you read my post on that
recently) and increased stomach acid is bad if you have reflux. That is one
of the purposes of taking the acid blockers - so you reflux a higher ph
refluxate and do less damage to your esophagus (as well as your stomach also
of course if you have stomach erosions), less heartburn, etc.
I just want to make sure you are not saying that decreasing stomach acid
(whether it be by blocking acid stimulation with a PPI, or by
eating/drinking something that won't stimulate as much acid) is not
associated with treatment of GERD.
Pete
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| Howard McCollister 2006-03-29, 12:13 am |
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"Pete" <pete@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> Howard McCollister wrote:
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> Howard...I understand your first sentence. But some foods/liquids do
> stimulate stomach acid (milk is one of the worst if you read my post on
> that recently) and increased stomach acid is bad if you have reflux. That
> is one of the purposes of taking the acid blockers - so you reflux a
> higher ph refluxate and do less damage to your esophagus (as well as your
> stomach also of course if you have stomach erosions), less heartburn, etc.
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> I just want to make sure you are not saying that decreasing stomach acid
> (whether it be by blocking acid stimulation with a PPI, or by
> eating/drinking something that won't stimulate as much acid) is not
> associated with treatment of GERD.
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No, but the cause of GERD is a poorly functional LES, not acid production.
The foods he listed have their GERD effect on the LES, not stomach acid
production.
HMc
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| Howard McCollister 2006-03-29, 12:13 am |
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"Pete" <pete@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> Howard...I understand your first sentence. But some foods/liquids do
> stimulate stomach acid (milk is one of the worst if you read my post on
> that recently) and increased stomach acid is bad if you have reflux. That
> is one of the purposes of taking the acid blockers - so you reflux a
> higher ph refluxate and do less damage to your esophagus (as well as your
> stomach also of course if you have stomach erosions), less heartburn, etc.
>
> I just want to make sure you are not saying that decreasing stomach acid
> (whether it be by blocking acid stimulation with a PPI, or by
> eating/drinking something that won't stimulate as much acid) is not
> associated with treatment of GERD.
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In other words, while it's true that decreasing stomach acid can ameliorate
GERD symptoms, increasing stomach acid doesn't cause them.
HMc
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| Howard McCollister wrote:
> "Pete" <pete@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:122jnk7h0sdu3b2@corp.supernews.com...
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> No, but the cause of GERD is a poorly functional LES, not acid
> production. The foods he listed have their GERD effect on the LES,
> not stomach acid production.
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> HMc
Howard...I think you know me well enough, that I know that the cause of GERD
is a poorly functional LES, and I have reinforced you on that many times in
this ng, and that PPI's only change the nature of the refluxate, and that
GERD is a surgical disease (as you have said). So please give me a little
credit. Whenever I write anything in this group, I am very careful not to
say something that I think you may disagree with, and I think I have done
well.
However, certain foods and liquids *do* cause the stomach to (or stimulate
the stomach to) produce more acid (more than other foods or liquids do). If
you eat anything at all, that will stimulate the stomach to produce acid,
but some foods and liquids will have a greater impact on the stimulation of
acid production than others. I believe caffeine type foods and alcohol (as
well as the milk I mentioned earlier) are some of them. The list of foods
the person submitted above came directly from a web page I believe, and I am
not saying the statement on the web page is enforceable.
Do you have any evidence that caffeine and alcohol *do not* have an
"additional" effect on stomach acid production. I have read many times that
they do (and I know milk does, which I also have read about many times).
Even decaf will supposedly affect stomach acid stimulation (because of
something else in the coffee), but we don't need to get into that :-) .
And you did follow up on your other post next to this, by saying that
decreasing stomach acid can ameliorate GERD symptoms, which is basically
what the poster (dauphin) was trying to say (I believe), and I was trying to
back him up on. Now the next question is, do the foods he mentioned tend to
cause stimulation of excess stomach acid. You indicate not. I respectfully
disagree with you on that (at least for the caffeine and alcohol - and the
milk which I added).
Pete
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| Howard McCollister wrote:
> "Pete" <pete@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:122jnk7h0sdu3b2@corp.supernews.com...
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> In other words, while it's true that decreasing stomach acid can
> ameliorate GERD symptoms, increasing stomach acid doesn't cause them.
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> HMc
Howard...Sorry, I do not totally agree with you. I believe it's just
semantics so I will try to clear it up for our fellow readers. Increasing
stomach acid will certainly cause GERD symptoms (eg heartburn), or increase
the severity of it - theoretically if your refluxate had a ph of 7.0 (which
is neutral), you wouldn't have any heartburn - gas pains caused by a neutral
ph is something else. The condition of "reflux" as a mechanism is one thing
(ie a weak LES), but the symptoms resulting from the refluxate (which in the
case of heartburn depends on the ph of the refluxate) is something else.
I think all of the informed readers in this ng know (or they should know
after reading all your posts), that reflux (not symptoms from the nature of
the refluxate) is caused by a malfunctioning LES, and that changing the
stomach ph does lessen the severity of the symptoms (eg heartburn).
Therefore the symptom (say heartburn) is certainly caused by the ph of the
refluxate (either too acid or too basic), even though the refluxate is
coming up the esophagus because of a weak LES (it's kind of a two stage
affair). See my comments on your adjacent post to this also :-) ...Pete
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