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| Erica123 2006-10-19, 9:29 pm |
| I posted a small post in this group , a while back, to help people find
legitimate online
pharmacies that offer pain meds like lortab, vicodin, and other
popular pills like xanax, valium, etc... .Snce many people (including
myself) are getting, or have been rbbed, at fraudulent online
pharmacies,.I thought this would be very helpful resource t offfer
people in this group. It's obvious that if you research the subject of
"online pharmacys that sell Lortab or hydrocodone" you're gonna find a
ton of websites. ...and some claim you don't need a prescription, some
lie, and some say they're overseas....and so on. What should you
believe? That's the hard part and the item I was offering clarity on.
Well...here's my problem. Of all the worthless bullshit I've seen in
these forums, posts or whatever they're called, I believe my note to
you all was quite helpful and certainly not a waste of
space...Especially since I know there are people out there looking for
legitimate online pharmacies that offer pain pills, muscle relaxers,
and other meds that are typically associated with chronic pain
sufferers - thus the name of this group- "support.chronic.pain".
Here's my question: Am I allowed to tell you people about things like
this or is it against the "forum rules/policies" ?
Here's the prob:
About two weeks ago, I got an email from some guy who claims to be some
sort of "official forum monitor" for this place, he also says he works
for a turnip truck or something, and accused me of oif "spamming a
group". What the hell does that mean? I thought spam was like junk
mail, but only junkmail that you get in your email box?. Well, anyway,
this guy started threatening me said he was going to report me to ...
....to....well, just read it yourself, :
[begin of quote]>>> ""Clearly, you've done nothing with this "Erica"
nym but promote this web
site. And you're doing this why? Just to help people out? Don't make me
laugh.I will shut you down and not just with your ISP. I'll see to it
that you lose your hosting account too. I don't care what you do
elsewhere, but don't promote your site in alt.support.chronic-pain. If
you want to cling to the fiction that this is not your site, then
understand that you can still get them shut down by promoting the site
in newsgroups where such things are not welcome. You are spamming and
you can't protect your Comcast account by using Google. You will lose
your Comcast account if you keep it up. Do not post another spam here,
or that and all of your prior spams will be sent to Comcast to insure
that action is taken against you. --Juba" ".<<[end]
I have a few questions that maybe someone can help me with: What does
this guy have against me helping people and does he actually have any
right acusing me of this stuff? What is a hosting account? What is
"spamming"? How do you talk good about a website and not be considered
to be "promoting them", Besides, what's wrong with propmoting someone
if they have a good product? Isn't that the great thing about
groups/bulletin boards that you can write whatever you want? Does this
guy really have anything to do with google? Does anyone know this
"Juba" and is he affiliated with this group, or does he actualy work
here? Does he work for google or something? Or is this just some anal
guy with too much time on his hands that has tnothing to do with
anything and is just pestering me?
I"ve been wanting to address this for a while but just now got the time
to do so. So if anyone can hlep me I'd appreciate it .
thanks
Erica.
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| OldGoat 2006-10-19, 9:29 pm |
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Erica,
The product you're pushing here is in appropriate for this forum. We are
here for support of chronic pain issues, not to promote drug use or abuse
without a doctors supervision, and 5 minutes of talking to a Turkish MD does
not count. You're doing more harm than good. Medications are not the answer
to all problems and presenting it that way is going to get someone killed.
Additionally a legitimate pain patient has little but scorn for Internet
drug sites. We can get $200 worth of your Xanax for $10. Nobody's
interested, nor wants to hear it, not in here anyway. We don't want to
promote drug abuse which is essentially what you are doing. We want to
promote health and give advice to those who are dealing with lives full of
pain.
And yes he does have the ability and right to complain to anyone regarding
promoting your web site as well as contact your ISP for spamming abuse. He
doesn't need to be anyone to lodge a complaint. If you're smart you'll move
on as there are many more in here besides Juba, who think spamming of this
nature has no place here. Many people here may not like Juba much, but the
one thing they call all agree on is they hate spam even more.
Get out while you only have one complaint, rather than a dozen, and find
some groups that are more interest in being bombed than being healed.
I know if I had a friend or relative that ran across your site and purchased
Vicodin for headaches and died 6 months later from a brain tumor, you would
be shut down and we'd meet in court down the road. I hope your house has a
pool and is in a warm climate. I will enjoy it.
As far as your right to free speech, that's fine. The problem is spam and I
do believe if you look at some of the usenet admin groups, they have some
rather specific rules and definitions on spamming and what you're doing is a
violation of those rules.
You have 100,000 other groups you can spam, many of which will welcome your
information. mostly pillheads and junkies which are more your target
audience for such bullshit. Kill them all with your overcost wares, our
lives would be considerably less complex. I suggest you take it elsewhere,
before the floodgates open.
I have a form letter all ready to roll, so just say the word.
"Erica123" <sender666@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1161299457.274832.315170@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>I posted a small post in this group , a while back, to help people find
> legitimate online
> pharmacies that offer pain meds like lortab, vicodin, and other
> popular pills like xanax, valium, etc... .Snce many people (including
> myself) are getting, or have been rbbed, at fraudulent online
> pharmacies,.I thought this would be very helpful resource t offfer
> people in this group. It's obvious that if you research the subject of
> "online pharmacys that sell Lortab or hydrocodone" you're gonna find a
> ton of websites. ...and some claim you don't need a prescription, some
> lie, and some say they're overseas....and so on. What should you
> believe? That's the hard part and the item I was offering clarity on.
> Well...here's my problem. Of all the worthless bullshit I've seen in
> these forums, posts or whatever they're called, I believe my note to
> you all was quite helpful and certainly not a waste of
> space...Especially since I know there are people out there looking for
> legitimate online pharmacies that offer pain pills, muscle relaxers,
> and other meds that are typically associated with chronic pain
> sufferers - thus the name of this group- "support.chronic.pain".
>
> Here's my question: Am I allowed to tell you people about things like
> this or is it against the "forum rules/policies" ?
>
> Here's the prob:
> About two weeks ago, I got an email from some guy who claims to be some
> sort of "official forum monitor" for this place, he also says he works
> for a turnip truck or something, and accused me of oif "spamming a
> group". What the hell does that mean? I thought spam was like junk
> mail, but only junkmail that you get in your email box?. Well, anyway,
> this guy started threatening me said he was going to report me to ...
> ...to....well, just read it yourself, :
> [begin of quote]>>> ""Clearly, you've done nothing with this "Erica"
> nym but promote this web
> site. And you're doing this why? Just to help people out? Don't make me
> laugh.I will shut you down and not just with your ISP. I'll see to it
> that you lose your hosting account too. I don't care what you do
> elsewhere, but don't promote your site in alt.support.chronic-pain. If
> you want to cling to the fiction that this is not your site, then
> understand that you can still get them shut down by promoting the site
> in newsgroups where such things are not welcome. You are spamming and
> you can't protect your Comcast account by using Google. You will lose
> your Comcast account if you keep it up. Do not post another spam here,
> or that and all of your prior spams will be sent to Comcast to insure
> that action is taken against you. --Juba" ".<<[end]
>
> I have a few questions that maybe someone can help me with: What does
> this guy have against me helping people and does he actually have any
> right acusing me of this stuff? What is a hosting account? What is
> "spamming"? How do you talk good about a website and not be considered
> to be "promoting them", Besides, what's wrong with propmoting someone
> if they have a good product? Isn't that the great thing about
> groups/bulletin boards that you can write whatever you want? Does this
> guy really have anything to do with google? Does anyone know this
> "Juba" and is he affiliated with this group, or does he actualy work
> here? Does he work for google or something? Or is this just some anal
> guy with too much time on his hands that has tnothing to do with
> anything and is just pestering me?
>
> I"ve been wanting to address this for a while but just now got the time
> to do so. So if anyone can hlep me I'd appreciate it .
> thanks
> Erica.
>
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| Paul T. Holland 2006-10-19, 9:29 pm |
| i have no idea who wrote to you
but you would have been wise to re-think your approach. this wasn't your
first time trying this - you are a repeater - been at it all year. and
before that you used a different addy.
a history on your email addy:
erica123/sender666 aka 1globalsales [charles stenza]
posting from 71.203.2.129 [west florida comcast] with the 'buy a list'
scam,
also showing up in other posts this year as:
'eric',
aka 'erica',
aka 'jackie williams',
aka 'nova 555',
aka "jon',
aka 'jonsplace444@yahoo.com',
and from earlier attempts of yore:
johnheckinger@yahoo.com (John Heckinger)
touting a list scam 'igotxxx11.com' and also ecr1 - note that 'ecr' is
just another name for the staykleen spam/scam outfit - but you knew that
didn't you 'erica'? of course you did, you wrote about it a year ago...
looks like it's been resurrected. ala the 'alexmachine', 'robert j', etc,
socks of a couple years back.
back then it was a david rosen operation
oh! i almost forgot: addy also shows up for - businessmaster@nowhere.com
aka sender666@hotmail.com
but that one was the scam send $5 for a report pyramid...
so, you are proven to use multiple persona's to tout - and what you're
touting is a scam...
you are just a spammer.
think really hard about proceeding.
Erica123 wrote:
> I posted a small post in this group , a while back, to help people find
> legitimate online
> pharmacies that offer pain meds like lortab, vicodin, and other
> popular pills like xanax, valium, etc... .Snce many people (including
> myself) are getting, or have been rbbed, at fraudulent online
> pharmacies,.I thought this would be very helpful resource t offfer
> people in this group. It's obvious that if you research the subject of
> "online pharmacys that sell Lortab or hydrocodone" you're gonna find a
> ton of websites. ...and some claim you don't need a prescription, some
> lie, and some say they're overseas....and so on. What should you
> believe? That's the hard part and the item I was offering clarity on.
> Well...here's my problem. Of all the worthless bullshit I've seen in
> these forums, posts or whatever they're called, I believe my note to
> you all was quite helpful and certainly not a waste of
> space...Especially since I know there are people out there looking for
> legitimate online pharmacies that offer pain pills, muscle relaxers,
> and other meds that are typically associated with chronic pain
> sufferers - thus the name of this group- "support.chronic.pain".
>
> Here's my question: Am I allowed to tell you people about things like
> this or is it against the "forum rules/policies" ?
>
> Here's the prob:
> About two weeks ago, I got an email from some guy who claims to be some
> sort of "official forum monitor" for this place, he also says he works
> for a turnip truck or something, and accused me of oif "spamming a
> group". What the hell does that mean? I thought spam was like junk
> mail, but only junkmail that you get in your email box?. Well, anyway,
> this guy started threatening me said he was going to report me to ...
> ...to....well, just read it yourself, :
> [begin of quote]>>> ""Clearly, you've done nothing with this "Erica"
> nym but promote this web
> site. And you're doing this why? Just to help people out? Don't make me
> laugh.I will shut you down and not just with your ISP. I'll see to it
> that you lose your hosting account too. I don't care what you do
> elsewhere, but don't promote your site in alt.support.chronic-pain. If
> you want to cling to the fiction that this is not your site, then
> understand that you can still get them shut down by promoting the site
> in newsgroups where such things are not welcome. You are spamming and
> you can't protect your Comcast account by using Google. You will lose
> your Comcast account if you keep it up. Do not post another spam here,
> or that and all of your prior spams will be sent to Comcast to insure
> that action is taken against you. --Juba" ".<<[end]
>
> I have a few questions that maybe someone can help me with: What does
> this guy have against me helping people and does he actually have any
> right acusing me of this stuff? What is a hosting account? What is
> "spamming"? How do you talk good about a website and not be considered
> to be "promoting them", Besides, what's wrong with propmoting someone
> if they have a good product? Isn't that the great thing about
> groups/bulletin boards that you can write whatever you want? Does this
> guy really have anything to do with google? Does anyone know this
> "Juba" and is he affiliated with this group, or does he actualy work
> here? Does he work for google or something? Or is this just some anal
> guy with too much time on his hands that has tnothing to do with
> anything and is just pestering me?
>
> I"ve been wanting to address this for a while but just now got the time
> to do so. So if anyone can hlep me I'd appreciate it .
> thanks
> Erica.
| |
| ©®©@®.©®© 2006-10-20, 2:24 am |
| "Erica123" <sender666@comcast.net> wrote:
> I posted a small post in this group , a while back, to help people find
> legitimate online
> pharmacies that offer pain meds like lortab, vicodin, and other
> popular pills like xanax, valium, etc... .Snce many people (including
> myself) are getting, or have been rbbed, at fraudulent online
> pharmacies,.I thought this would be very helpful resource t offfer
> people in this group. It's obvious that if you research the subject of
> "online pharmacys that sell Lortab or hydrocodone" you're gonna find a
> ton of websites. ...and some claim you don't need a prescription, some
> lie, and some say they're overseas....and so on. What should you
> believe? That's the hard part and the item I was offering clarity on.
> Well...here's my problem. Of all the worthless bullshit I've seen in
> these forums, posts or whatever they're called, I believe my note to
> you all was quite helpful and certainly not a waste of
> space...Especially since I know there are people out there looking for
> legitimate online pharmacies that offer pain pills, muscle relaxers,
> and other meds that are typically associated with chronic pain
> sufferers - thus the name of this group- "support.chronic.pain".
>
> Here's my question: Am I allowed to tell you people about things like
> this or is it against the "forum rules/policies" ?
>
> Here's the prob:
> About two weeks ago, I got an email from some guy who claims to be some
> sort of "official forum monitor" for this place, he also says he works
> for a turnip truck or something, and accused me of oif "spamming a
> group". What the hell does that mean? I thought spam was like junk
> mail, but only junkmail that you get in your email box?. Well, anyway,
> this guy started threatening me said he was going to report me to ...
> ...to....well, just read it yourself, :
> [begin of quote]>>> ""Clearly, you've done nothing with this "Erica"
> nym but promote this web
> site. And you're doing this why? Just to help people out? Don't make me
> laugh.I will shut you down and not just with your ISP. I'll see to it
> that you lose your hosting account too. I don't care what you do
> elsewhere, but don't promote your site in alt.support.chronic-pain. If
> you want to cling to the fiction that this is not your site, then
> understand that you can still get them shut down by promoting the site
> in newsgroups where such things are not welcome. You are spamming and
> you can't protect your Comcast account by using Google. You will lose
> your Comcast account if you keep it up. Do not post another spam here,
> or that and all of your prior spams will be sent to Comcast to insure
> that action is taken against you. --Juba" ".<<[end]
>
> I have a few questions that maybe someone can help me with: What does
> this guy have against me helping people and does he actually have any
> right acusing me of this stuff? What is a hosting account? What is
> "spamming"? How do you talk good about a website and not be considered
> to be "promoting them", Besides, what's wrong with propmoting someone
> if they have a good product? Isn't that the great thing about
> groups/bulletin boards that you can write whatever you want? Does this
> guy really have anything to do with google? Does anyone know this
> "Juba" and is he affiliated with this group, or does he actualy work
> here? Does he work for google or something? Or is this just some anal
> guy with too much time on his hands that has tnothing to do with
> anything and is just pestering me?
>
> I"ve been wanting to address this for a while but just now got the time
> to do so. So if anyone can hlep me I'd appreciate it .
> thanks
> Erica.
Don't post addresses of websites selling medications. How do we know
that you are not posting messages for the sites?
--
..
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Erica123,
Hummm, some of the people on here appear to know what they are talking
about on this forum, almost to the point of being like a list owner.
I don't keep track of this kind of stuff, but I guess you have a right
to post what ever it is you can get away with. As one who has this
site bookmarked for information, I find it is my duty to know and how
can I know if I don't hear from differing posters. You do what you do,
and I decide if I wish to believe it. Post away.
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| Codeee01@hotmail.com 2006-10-20, 4:24 pm |
|
Hi Erica,
I had to chuckle. There are ZERO people in charge of this group,
whoever emailed you was clearly delusional. Usenet is not
like a yahoo group complete with moderators or owners, not even
a prom king, so this guy was blowing smoke up yer skirt.
Some individuals feel it is their civic duty to lunge at anyone they
feel might be spamming. In your case, it appears some have voiced
the opinion that you might be connected with one of the information
boards. Even if you are, they ARE a good source of "buyer beware"
type information for anyone who finds themselves in the lamentable
situation of having to locate an online pharm.
Being informed is the best way to navigate this world, and the boards
generally provide more information than simply listing OP's, Often
there is discussion of different illnesses and treatments, as well
as the experiences of the board denizens with the various places
listed, so one would know whether they are prompt, reasonable,
and provide decent customer service.
codeee
[vbcol=seagreen]
>"Erica123" <sender666@comcast.net> wrote:
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| ZombyWoof 2006-10-20, 4:24 pm |
| On 19 Oct 2006 16:10:57 -0700, "Erica123" <sender666@comcast.net>
wrote something wonderfully witty:
Unless you are posting information for Walgreens, CVS, Walmart, etc
then you aren't posting anything to do with legitimate pharmacies and
are trying to make a buck while aiding & abetting drug abuse. If you
did have something of value to "give" to the chronic pain community,
such as pharmacies offering products at a reduced/free cost you would
simply post it here instead of redirecting them to some other
location.
Now that being said this is an "alt" hierarchy group and by its very
definition has no official or unofficial moderator. This forum works
off the "peer pressure" form of control. i.e. we police ourselves.
Anyone poster can determine that any other poster is out of bounds.
From the tone & tenor of the replies to your posts I think the
majority are in agreement that you are way out of bounds.
If someone wants to report you to your ISP for spamming that is their
business as a member of the greater Internet community. If your ISP
determines that you are indeed a spammer by researching your Internet
activity then you have nobody but yourself to blame for the
termination of your account. From my personal perspective you are
indeed a spammer and should cease your spammer ways and quit trying to
turn a buck of people who have problems.
>I posted a small post in this group , a while back, to help people find
>legitimate online
>pharmacies that offer pain meds like lortab, vicodin, and other
>popular pills like xanax, valium, etc... .Snce many people (including
>myself) are getting, or have been rbbed, at fraudulent online
>pharmacies,.I thought this would be very helpful resource t offfer
>people in this group. It's obvious that if you research the subject of
>"online pharmacys that sell Lortab or hydrocodone" you're gonna find a
>ton of websites. ...and some claim you don't need a prescription, some
>lie, and some say they're overseas....and so on. What should you
>believe? That's the hard part and the item I was offering clarity on.
>Well...here's my problem. Of all the worthless bullshit I've seen in
>these forums, posts or whatever they're called, I believe my note to
>you all was quite helpful and certainly not a waste of
>space...Especially since I know there are people out there looking for
>legitimate online pharmacies that offer pain pills, muscle relaxers,
>and other meds that are typically associated with chronic pain
>sufferers - thus the name of this group- "support.chronic.pain".
>
>Here's my question: Am I allowed to tell you people about things like
>this or is it against the "forum rules/policies" ?
>
>Here's the prob:
>About two weeks ago, I got an email from some guy who claims to be some
>sort of "official forum monitor" for this place, he also says he works
>for a turnip truck or something, and accused me of oif "spamming a
>group". What the hell does that mean? I thought spam was like junk
>mail, but only junkmail that you get in your email box?. Well, anyway,
>this guy started threatening me said he was going to report me to ...
>...to....well, just read it yourself, :
>[begin of quote]>>> ""Clearly, you've done nothing with this "Erica"
>nym but promote this web
>site. And you're doing this why? Just to help people out? Don't make me
>laugh.I will shut you down and not just with your ISP. I'll see to it
>that you lose your hosting account too. I don't care what you do
>elsewhere, but don't promote your site in alt.support.chronic-pain. If
>you want to cling to the fiction that this is not your site, then
>understand that you can still get them shut down by promoting the site
>in newsgroups where such things are not welcome. You are spamming and
>you can't protect your Comcast account by using Google. You will lose
>your Comcast account if you keep it up. Do not post another spam here,
>or that and all of your prior spams will be sent to Comcast to insure
>that action is taken against you. --Juba" ".<<[end]
>
>I have a few questions that maybe someone can help me with: What does
>this guy have against me helping people and does he actually have any
>right acusing me of this stuff? What is a hosting account? What is
>"spamming"? How do you talk good about a website and not be considered
>to be "promoting them", Besides, what's wrong with propmoting someone
>if they have a good product? Isn't that the great thing about
>groups/bulletin boards that you can write whatever you want? Does this
>guy really have anything to do with google? Does anyone know this
>"Juba" and is he affiliated with this group, or does he actualy work
>here? Does he work for google or something? Or is this just some anal
>guy with too much time on his hands that has tnothing to do with
>anything and is just pestering me?
>
>I"ve been wanting to address this for a while but just now got the time
>to do so. So if anyone can hlep me I'd appreciate it .
>thanks
>Erica.
--
You can run, but you'll only die tired.
ZombyWoof
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| NWBluePenguin 2006-10-20, 4:24 pm |
| This is my reply to what Erica123 had to say.
Juba is 100% right on. You are spamming. You can lose your Comcast account
for spamming newsgroups, email boxes etc. Clearly you have not read your
TOS, nor have you read Google's rules.
Come back after reading what you should have read "before" you posted in
this group, or any other group for that matter.
> I posted a small post in this group , a while back, to help people
> find legitimate online
> pharmacies that offer pain meds like lortab, vicodin, and other
> popular pills like xanax, valium, etc... .Snce many people (including
> myself) are getting, or have been rbbed, at fraudulent online
> pharmacies,.I thought this would be very helpful resource t offfer
> people in this group. It's obvious that if you research the subject of
> "online pharmacys that sell Lortab or hydrocodone" you're gonna find a
> ton of websites. ...and some claim you don't need a prescription, some
> lie, and some say they're overseas....and so on. What should you
> believe? That's the hard part and the item I was offering clarity on.
> Well...here's my problem. Of all the worthless bullshit I've seen in
> these forums, posts or whatever they're called, I believe my note to
> you all was quite helpful and certainly not a waste of
> space...Especially since I know there are people out there looking for
> legitimate online pharmacies that offer pain pills, muscle relaxers,
> and other meds that are typically associated with chronic pain
> sufferers - thus the name of this group- "support.chronic.pain".
>
> Here's my question: Am I allowed to tell you people about things like
> this or is it against the "forum rules/policies" ?
>
> Here's the prob:
> About two weeks ago, I got an email from some guy who claims to be
> some sort of "official forum monitor" for this place, he also says he
> works for a turnip truck or something, and accused me of oif
> "spamming a group". What the hell does that mean? I thought spam was
> like junk mail, but only junkmail that you get in your email box?.
> Well, anyway, this guy started threatening me said he was going to
> report me to ... ...to....well, just read it yourself, :
> [begin of quote]>>> ""Clearly, you've done nothing with this "Erica"
> nym but promote this web
> site. And you're doing this why? Just to help people out? Don't make
> me laugh.I will shut you down and not just with your ISP. I'll see to
> it that you lose your hosting account too. I don't care what you do
> elsewhere, but don't promote your site in alt.support.chronic-pain. If
> you want to cling to the fiction that this is not your site, then
> understand that you can still get them shut down by promoting the site
> in newsgroups where such things are not welcome. You are spamming and
> you can't protect your Comcast account by using Google. You will lose
> your Comcast account if you keep it up. Do not post another spam
> here, or that and all of your prior spams will be sent to Comcast to
> insure that action is taken against you. --Juba" ".<<[end]
>
> I have a few questions that maybe someone can help me with: What does
> this guy have against me helping people and does he actually have any
> right acusing me of this stuff? What is a hosting account? What is
> "spamming"? How do you talk good about a website and not be considered
> to be "promoting them", Besides, what's wrong with propmoting someone
> if they have a good product? Isn't that the great thing about
> groups/bulletin boards that you can write whatever you want? Does this
> guy really have anything to do with google? Does anyone know this
> "Juba" and is he affiliated with this group, or does he actualy work
> here? Does he work for google or something? Or is this just some anal
> guy with too much time on his hands that has tnothing to do with
> anything and is just pestering me?
>
> I"ve been wanting to address this for a while but just now got the
> time to do so. So if anyone can hlep me I'd appreciate it .
> thanks
> Erica.
--
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather
to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, Margarita in the other,
body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO what a
ride'!" unknown
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| Erica123 <sender666@comcast.net> wrote in message:
1161299457.274832.315170@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com,
> I posted a small post in this group , a while back, to help people
> find legitimate online
> pharmacies
Rule #1 - Spammers lie
See:
http://tinyurl.com/y2ss5w
and also see Holland's post in this thread.
This person is selling a list of online pharmacies. Holland calls it a
scam. I wouldn't go quite that far, but certainly anyone can easily make
up their own list by visiting any of the several OP discussion boards.
I've posted a list of them several times myself.
> About two weeks ago, I got an email from some guy who claims to be
> some sort of "official forum monitor" for this place, he also says he
> works for a turnip truck or something,
Rule #1 - Spammers lie
If I had said that, or anything close to it, "she" would have posted my
exact words. Rather than just reporting "her" to her ISP, I wrote to
this person telling "her" that her advertising was reportable as spam. I
told her I knew about her other posts, so she should not try to play the
innocent with me. She wrote back and did just that; much like the bull
she is saying now; so I went ahead and reported her.
No doubt she has since heard from her ISP and so she's here trying to do
a little damage control. She wants to go back to her ISP and claim that
she was unfairly attacked; that her advertising is welcome here.
Anyone who has any questions about whether advertising is welcome in
this group or not, should consult the faq at:
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/.../ASCP/index.htm
"As with all non-binary newsgroups, binary files (ie attachments), HTML
posts and sales pitches (SPAM) are not allowed."
Certainly one cannot "allow" or "not allow" anything in an unmoderated
newsgroup. However, most ISPs and other service providers have terms of
service (TOS) that require their subscribers to follow newsgroup
charters and Faqs prohibitions regarding advertising. If an ISP or other
service provider is notified that one of their subscribers is posting
advertising in a newsgroup where it is not welcome then it's up to them
whether to take action or not. Most will at least issue a warning.
So, anyone can report any post as spam. Whether it's spam or not is
entirely up to the service provider to decide. And it's up to the
service provider to decide whether any action is taken. If it can be
shown; as in this case; that someone is doing nothing but posting ads in
various newsgroups promoting a particular web site, then it's far more
likely that decisive action will be taken.
Anyone who wonders why advertising is discouraged in many newsgroups
need only look around at the thousands of newgroups that have been
abandoned by everyone but the spammers.
I am not in the habit of reporting spammers, unless I recognize their
spam as something that has been posted here before. Then I have a look
in the archives. This person's protests and claims of ignorance of how
this all works are classic spammer tactics and I should never have
bothered with writing to her. I tried to give her a break, but as you
can see, it just became fodder for her games.
--
Juba
www.masterjuba.com
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| David Ruff 2006-10-20, 4:24 pm |
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"Erica123" <sender666@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1161299457.274832.315170@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>I posted a small post in this group , a while back, to help people find
> legitimate online
> pharmacies that offer pain meds like lortab, vicodin, and other
> popular pills like xanax, valium, etc... .
You need to reserch the DEA web site. I was suprised to see they have
addressed this issue and what you're talking about is ILLEGAL.
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| Codeee01@hotmail.com 2006-10-20, 9:25 pm |
| On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:07:12 -0400, "David Ruff"
<swordfish2@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Erica123" <sender666@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:1161299457.274832.315170@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
>You need to reserch the DEA web site. I was suprised to see they have
>addressed this issue and what you're talking about is ILLEGAL.
That's a good suggestion to pop by the DEA site from time to time
and see what they're up to these days. Often the painfoudation.org
(com?) will have articles directly related to stories from board
policy as well as any rare legislation as well.
I believe there is some confusion in the minds of a few people.
Some of the information boards actually have DEA policy on them, as
well as discussion of it, and how it applies to the various types of
pharms.
What she's speaking of, are merely information boards, not
the actual pharms themselves.
IOW, nothing illegal in the boards themselves, just people exercising
their right to free speech, often sharing information, and helping
one another with pain and other health problems.
(I don't know which board the original poster mentioned, I'm speaking
in generalities here.)
However, I DO believe that some people haven't made the distinction
between the information boards, and the actual online pharms.
(I'm not speaking of you, David).
OT...I went to high school with a David Ruff. (WA state?)
It is definately a Buyer Beware sort of thing. Attempting to censor
the information part, is to seriously limit peoples' ability to find
the facts they need so they may make a decision as to whether this
is something they want to do or NOT. The important thing is that
decision will be based upon facts, often posts by individuals who have
utilized the services of the places which are listed and rated.
The boards I've seen, make an attempt to glean as much information
about the various pharms, so that people may make the decision
fully knowing exactly what - and with whom they'll be patronizing,
or decide it is not the best course of action. They often have health
forums where people can share and support one another.
There will always BE some people who find themselves in need
of the services of the actual pharms, for them - the information
boards can make the difference between losing their money and
getting some relief, often until they can locate another of those rare
birds..a pain treatment professional, or other specialist...as not all
problems are pain related.
Love 'em or hate 'em, though they are dimishing in number, they
still exist, and to deny people
the basic right to make an informed decision is criminal IMHO.
codeee
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