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OldGoat

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

Dear Folks,

You know most of us here people with no face, which is really how it should
be I guess, so nothing is taboo.
Things are never how you expect them to go in life, so I guess it's foolish
to expect anything from it. I always thought I'd find myself at a cross
roads in my life where if I took the right, not quite the easiest, but the
right fork and I could go to my grave knowing I did something, not looking
for fame, not looking for fortune, not even wanting recognition, other than
someone to say "that guy helped me". Just make a difference to make
someone's life a little better and move on to the next guy. I feel like the
2 guys having breakfast in Pulp Fiction, talking about the TV show "kung
fu", "just walking the earth and having adventures".
Here I sit, with a 2/3 wasted body, with the adventure to help and move on
to be going on for months, even years, in the Gulf Coast. I've been to New
Orleans and been to Gulfport and been to Biloxi, they were beautiful places
and my time there was way too short. But my path is there rolled out smack
dab in the face to go to help strangers by the scores and the "situation" of
my lifetime has me more likely to become a causality helping anyone. My mind
is so focused to do good, I could bore a couple of eyeholes through a brick
wall to get it done. The saying "the mind is willing, but the flesh is weak"
may have been meant for other situations, but my mind and body just want to
explode to from this desire to help. Give a kid a candy bar, a fireman a
clean bottle of drinking water, just some goddamnthing other than wishing I
was in the middle of it, and not caring if I come back out in one piece or
not, just helping. And thanks to King George and the other oil Barron's
getting richer on this mess, I don' know if I can handle the monthly copays,
docs and meds, much less have a couple of nickels to rub together to send to
help or even get down there. If they find any organs they can use, they can
have them all. It's not like there's anything else that is all mine to
freely give.
Sorry to XXXXX, it seems like there's so many with so little and I used to
be able to handle a bucket truck, a chainsaw, and know what I'm doing pretty
damn well around hot high voltage lines. It makes me fell disgusted with
myself when I see the convoys of power company trucks rolling south, knowing
what they'll be doing, rebuilding the power grid, clearing the mess, block
by block, while I felt like a stroke was on it's way for trying to crank up
the grass trimmer.
No sympathy please. It just seems to make the inadequately even more
mountainous. I just need a stiff drink and a solid night's sleep. Some of
your physical issues make me look like Bruce Jenner or Lance Armstrong (or
to really test your age/trivial pursuit, Mark Spitz) by comparison. I just
hate this goddamn self pity bullshit, and the only thing that really helps
is helping others. But falling flat on my face, when the real chips are
really down, when people are dying, when it really counts and matters is
just too damn hard, too damn rough, too impossible get used to. Going from
being that guy who always knew how to and when to put out the fires, and now
I'm just another obstacle to get in the way. Sometimes the only useful thing
I have left to do is donate my body to science fiction.
I'm fine, don't worry about me, I'm just going through one of my "blue
periods". Not the religious guy, I hope it doesn't sound hypocritical to say
thank god for the wife, without her I'd truly be lost, long, long, ago. But
venting to you guys, helps more than you can know and whether we've fought
or hugged, thanks to all for being there for me.
This isn't a "goodbye cruel world" note or anything like that. I've walked
that road too, and if you want to do it, you just do it, you don't cry for
help. It's just a vent and a ...

Thank you--og

Ronnie

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

OG you dont have to go to N. O. or places in and around it. Dont you
understand what you do when you post to ppl right here with your level
headed advice? You have every right to feel down with the day to day
pull of chronic pain. Even when you tell someone off (which isnt many
times)
you do it with level headed sense... Everyone is intitled to swim in the
pity pot
as long as they remember where the ladder is to climb out. You are human..
I guess you would call me an OG groupie...

Ronnie
---
"Kindness is a hard thing to give away,
for it is usually returned."

"OldGoat" <oldgoatmail@ERdocsuckyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:tkmVe.2690$R9.1402@trnddc02...
> Dear Folks,
>
> You know most of us here people with no face, which is really how it
should
> be I guess, so nothing is taboo.
> Things are never how you expect them to go in life, so I guess it's
foolish
> to expect anything from it. I always thought I'd find myself at a cross
> roads in my life where if I took the right, not quite the easiest, but the
> right fork and I could go to my grave knowing I did something, not looking
> for fame, not looking for fortune, not even wanting recognition, other
than
> someone to say "that guy helped me". Just make a difference to make
> someone's life a little better and move on to the next guy. I feel like
the
> 2 guys having breakfast in Pulp Fiction, talking about the TV show "kung
> fu", "just walking the earth and having adventures".
> Here I sit, with a 2/3 wasted body, with the adventure to help and move on
> to be going on for months, even years, in the Gulf Coast. I've been to New
> Orleans and been to Gulfport and been to Biloxi, they were beautiful
places
> and my time there was way too short. But my path is there rolled out smack
> dab in the face to go to help strangers by the scores and the "situation"
of
> my lifetime has me more likely to become a causality helping anyone. My
mind
> is so focused to do good, I could bore a couple of eyeholes through a
brick
> wall to get it done. The saying "the mind is willing, but the flesh is
weak"
> may have been meant for other situations, but my mind and body just want
to
> explode to from this desire to help. Give a kid a candy bar, a fireman a
> clean bottle of drinking water, just some goddamnthing other than wishing
I
> was in the middle of it, and not caring if I come back out in one piece or
> not, just helping. And thanks to King George and the other oil Barron's
> getting richer on this mess, I don' know if I can handle the monthly
copays,
> docs and meds, much less have a couple of nickels to rub together to send
to
> help or even get down there. If they find any organs they can use, they
can
> have them all. It's not like there's anything else that is all mine to
> freely give.
> Sorry to XXXXX, it seems like there's so many with so little and I used to
> be able to handle a bucket truck, a chainsaw, and know what I'm doing
pretty
> damn well around hot high voltage lines. It makes me fell disgusted with
> myself when I see the convoys of power company trucks rolling south,
knowing
> what they'll be doing, rebuilding the power grid, clearing the mess, block
> by block, while I felt like a stroke was on it's way for trying to crank
up
> the grass trimmer.
> No sympathy please. It just seems to make the inadequately even more
> mountainous. I just need a stiff drink and a solid night's sleep. Some of
> your physical issues make me look like Bruce Jenner or Lance Armstrong (or
> to really test your age/trivial pursuit, Mark Spitz) by comparison. I just
> hate this goddamn self pity bullshit, and the only thing that really helps
> is helping others. But falling flat on my face, when the real chips are
> really down, when people are dying, when it really counts and matters is
> just too damn hard, too damn rough, too impossible get used to. Going from
> being that guy who always knew how to and when to put out the fires, and
now
> I'm just another obstacle to get in the way. Sometimes the only useful
thing
> I have left to do is donate my body to science fiction.
> I'm fine, don't worry about me, I'm just going through one of my "blue
> periods". Not the religious guy, I hope it doesn't sound hypocritical to
say
> thank god for the wife, without her I'd truly be lost, long, long, ago.
But
> venting to you guys, helps more than you can know and whether we've fought
> or hugged, thanks to all for being there for me.
> This isn't a "goodbye cruel world" note or anything like that. I've walked
> that road too, and if you want to do it, you just do it, you don't cry for
> help. It's just a vent and a ...
>
> Thank you--og
>
>

OneTiredGrandma

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

X-No-Archive: yes

((((((OG))))))

Don't be so hard on yourself. We know you would, if you could. You
have no idea how many people you help right here in this ng. Your
knowlege and your out stretched hand to strangers is visible to anyone
who reads your posts. As much as you might like to do the "physical"
things to help people, your role as a helper has not stopped OG. Your
role has simply changed a little. You have no doubt helped more people
than you can imagine right here. Think of all the people who come here
for the first time searching for answers on how to handle the hand
they've been dealt. You are always there to give the best advice of
anyone in here. Your medical advice is second to no one.

So my friend, instead of kicking yourself in the arse, you should be
patting yourself on the back! You have brought alot of help to those
who have ventured in here. Don't ever think what you do is menial in
any way. You will never know how many lives you may have saved in
here. You have touched more people than most of us.....keep up the
good work!

OldGoat wrote:
> Dear Folks,
>
> You know most of us here people with no face, which is really how it should
> be I guess, so nothing is taboo.
> Things are never how you expect them to go in life, so I guess it's foolish
> to expect anything from it. I always thought I'd find myself at a cross
> roads in my life where if I took the right, not quite the easiest, but the
> right fork and I could go to my grave knowing I did something, not looking
> for fame, not looking for fortune, not even wanting recognition, other than
> someone to say "that guy helped me". Just make a difference to make
> someone's life a little better and move on to the next guy. I feel like the
> 2 guys having breakfast in Pulp Fiction, talking about the TV show "kung
> fu", "just walking the earth and having adventures".
> Here I sit, with a 2/3 wasted body, with the adventure to help and move on
> to be going on for months, even years, in the Gulf Coast. I've been to New
> Orleans and been to Gulfport and been to Biloxi, they were beautiful places
> and my time there was way too short. But my path is there rolled out smack
> dab in the face to go to help strangers by the scores and the "situation" of
> my lifetime has me more likely to become a causality helping anyone. My mind
> is so focused to do good, I could bore a couple of eyeholes through a brick
> wall to get it done. The saying "the mind is willing, but the flesh is weak"
> may have been meant for other situations, but my mind and body just want to
> explode to from this desire to help. Give a kid a candy bar, a fireman a
> clean bottle of drinking water, just some goddamnthing other than wishing I
> was in the middle of it, and not caring if I come back out in one piece or
> not, just helping. And thanks to King George and the other oil Barron's
> getting richer on this mess, I don' know if I can handle the monthly copays,
> docs and meds, much less have a couple of nickels to rub together to send to
> help or even get down there. If they find any organs they can use, they can
> have them all. It's not like there's anything else that is all mine to
> freely give.
> Sorry to XXXXX, it seems like there's so many with so little and I used to
> be able to handle a bucket truck, a chainsaw, and know what I'm doing pretty
> damn well around hot high voltage lines. It makes me fell disgusted with
> myself when I see the convoys of power company trucks rolling south, knowing
> what they'll be doing, rebuilding the power grid, clearing the mess, block
> by block, while I felt like a stroke was on it's way for trying to crank up
> the grass trimmer.
> No sympathy please. It just seems to make the inadequately even more
> mountainous. I just need a stiff drink and a solid night's sleep. Some of
> your physical issues make me look like Bruce Jenner or Lance Armstrong (or
> to really test your age/trivial pursuit, Mark Spitz) by comparison. I just
> hate this goddamn self pity bullshit, and the only thing that really helps
> is helping others. But falling flat on my face, when the real chips are
> really down, when people are dying, when it really counts and matters is
> just too damn hard, too damn rough, too impossible get used to. Going from
> being that guy who always knew how to and when to put out the fires, and now
> I'm just another obstacle to get in the way. Sometimes the only useful thing
> I have left to do is donate my body to science fiction.
> I'm fine, don't worry about me, I'm just going through one of my "blue
> periods". Not the religious guy, I hope it doesn't sound hypocritical to say
> thank god for the wife, without her I'd truly be lost, long, long, ago. But
> venting to you guys, helps more than you can know and whether we've fought
> or hugged, thanks to all for being there for me.
> This isn't a "goodbye cruel world" note or anything like that. I've walked
> that road too, and if you want to do it, you just do it, you don't cry for
> help. It's just a vent and a ...
>
> Thank you--og

redneck_kiwi

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

OG:

I haven't been a member of this NG long, however like Ronnie says, I
too am an OG groupie....you've helped me more than I can ever relate to
you...you do make a difference each and every day.

I'm like you, I want to be more "normal", I'm sick of friends asking me
how I feel or if I'm getting better or if I am going to get to come
back to work. I'm sick of not sleeping through the night every night
like I used to or not being able to work on my house or in my
woodshop...

I've already learned so much that has helped me so greatly and you have
been a part of that. THANK YOU my friend....

rk

Smokie Darling (Annie)

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

OldGoat wrote:
> Dear Folks,
>
> You know most of us here people with no face, which is really how it should
> be I guess, so nothing is taboo.
> Things are never how you expect them to go in life, so I guess it's foolish
> to expect anything from it. I always thought I'd find myself at a cross
> roads in my life where if I took the right, not quite the easiest, but the
> right fork and I could go to my grave knowing I did something, not looking
> for fame, not looking for fortune, not even wanting recognition, other than
> someone to say "that guy helped me". Just make a difference to make
> someone's life a little better and move on to the next guy. I feel like the
> 2 guys having breakfast in Pulp Fiction, talking about the TV show "kung
> fu", "just walking the earth and having adventures".
> Here I sit, with a 2/3 wasted body, with the adventure to help and move on
> to be going on for months, even years, in the Gulf Coast. I've been to New
> Orleans and been to Gulfport and been to Biloxi, they were beautiful places
> and my time there was way too short. But my path is there rolled out smack
> dab in the face to go to help strangers by the scores and the "situation" of
> my lifetime has me more likely to become a causality helping anyone. My mind
> is so focused to do good, I could bore a couple of eyeholes through a brick
> wall to get it done. The saying "the mind is willing, but the flesh is weak"
> may have been meant for other situations, but my mind and body just want to
> explode to from this desire to help. Give a kid a candy bar, a fireman a
> clean bottle of drinking water, just some goddamnthing other than wishing I
> was in the middle of it, and not caring if I come back out in one piece or
> not, just helping. And thanks to King George and the other oil Barron's
> getting richer on this mess, I don' know if I can handle the monthly copays,
> docs and meds, much less have a couple of nickels to rub together to send to
> help or even get down there. If they find any organs they can use, they can
> have them all. It's not like there's anything else that is all mine to
> freely give.
> Sorry to XXXXX, it seems like there's so many with so little and I used to
> be able to handle a bucket truck, a chainsaw, and know what I'm doing pretty
> damn well around hot high voltage lines. It makes me fell disgusted with
> myself when I see the convoys of power company trucks rolling south, knowing
> what they'll be doing, rebuilding the power grid, clearing the mess, block
> by block, while I felt like a stroke was on it's way for trying to crank up
> the grass trimmer.
> No sympathy please. It just seems to make the inadequately even more
> mountainous. I just need a stiff drink and a solid night's sleep. Some of
> your physical issues make me look like Bruce Jenner or Lance Armstrong (or
> to really test your age/trivial pursuit, Mark Spitz) by comparison. I just
> hate this goddamn self pity bullshit, and the only thing that really helps
> is helping others. But falling flat on my face, when the real chips are
> really down, when people are dying, when it really counts and matters is
> just too damn hard, too damn rough, too impossible get used to. Going from
> being that guy who always knew how to and when to put out the fires, and now
> I'm just another obstacle to get in the way. Sometimes the only useful thing
> I have left to do is donate my body to science fiction.
> I'm fine, don't worry about me, I'm just going through one of my "blue
> periods". Not the religious guy, I hope it doesn't sound hypocritical to say
> thank god for the wife, without her I'd truly be lost, long, long, ago. But
> venting to you guys, helps more than you can know and whether we've fought
> or hugged, thanks to all for being there for me.
> This isn't a "goodbye cruel world" note or anything like that. I've walked
> that road too, and if you want to do it, you just do it, you don't cry for
> help. It's just a vent and a ...
>
> Thank you--og

OG -

You want to know you've helped someone? Take a look around the group.
How many of us have you helped, immeasurably? So, you aren't resetting
the electrical power grid? No offense to those in the area, but big
whoop on the power grid! Sometimes, I'm selfish.

What you do here, day in and day out, is beyond heroic. How often has
someone come in here, and been so low, and so lost, and so unsure of
what was going on, and you come along (albeit with others, but alone as
well) and give fine advice, a hard nudge, a kick in the butt (have I
thanked you lately?), or just someone to listen. That is just as
important as rebuilding a power grid.

I wonder how many you've helped, who have not posted, but only read the
group. I wonder if every person you've helped were to write a thanks
in one thread, how long do you think that thread would be? I
personally think it would be longer than any thread that has ever been
in this group.

If we are counting those who help, well I think everyone has at one
time or another. However, OG, I can't recall a single time that you
didn't at least try to help. I haven't got a memory of you slamming
anyone (well, the spammers, but that's a different story all together).

Maybe someday, I'll be able to come up with the words to say, to show
you (and freakin' MAKE YOU SEE) what a blessing you have been.

Vent all you want, that's part of what we're here for, and we can
finally do something for you for a change.

Much affection to you OG, don't ever forget that. I'm not hurting in
Biloxi (like my cousins), but I'm hurting here, and you are helping me.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

ZombyWoof

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:22:33 GMT, "OldGoat"
<oldgoatmail@ERdocsuckyahoo.com> wrote:

>Dear Folks,
>
>You know most of us here people with no face, which is really how it should
>be I guess, so nothing is taboo.
>Things are never how you expect them to go in life, so I guess it's foolish
>to expect anything from it. I always thought I'd find myself at a cross
>roads in my life where if I took the right, not quite the easiest, but the
>right fork and I could go to my grave knowing I did something, not looking
>for fame, not looking for fortune, not even wanting recognition, other than
>someone to say "that guy helped me". Just make a difference to make
>someone's life a little better and move on to the next guy. I feel like the
>2 guys having breakfast in Pulp Fiction, talking about the TV show "kung
>fu", "just walking the earth and having adventures".
>Here I sit, with a 2/3 wasted body, with the adventure to help and move on
>to be going on for months, even years, in the Gulf Coast. I've been to New
>Orleans and been to Gulfport and been to Biloxi, they were beautiful places
>and my time there was way too short. But my path is there rolled out smack
>dab in the face to go to help strangers by the scores and the "situation" of
>my lifetime has me more likely to become a causality helping anyone. My mind
>is so focused to do good, I could bore a couple of eyeholes through a brick
>wall to get it done. The saying "the mind is willing, but the flesh is weak"
>may have been meant for other situations, but my mind and body just want to
>explode to from this desire to help. Give a kid a candy bar, a fireman a
>clean bottle of drinking water, just some goddamnthing other than wishing I
>was in the middle of it, and not caring if I come back out in one piece or
>not, just helping. And thanks to King George and the other oil Barron's
>getting richer on this mess, I don' know if I can handle the monthly copays,
>docs and meds, much less have a couple of nickels to rub together to send to
>help or even get down there. If they find any organs they can use, they can
>have them all. It's not like there's anything else that is all mine to
>freely give.
>Sorry to XXXXX, it seems like there's so many with so little and I used to
>be able to handle a bucket truck, a chainsaw, and know what I'm doing pretty
>damn well around hot high voltage lines. It makes me fell disgusted with
>myself when I see the convoys of power company trucks rolling south, knowing
>what they'll be doing, rebuilding the power grid, clearing the mess, block
>by block, while I felt like a stroke was on it's way for trying to crank up
>the grass trimmer.
>No sympathy please. It just seems to make the inadequately even more
>mountainous. I just need a stiff drink and a solid night's sleep. Some of
>your physical issues make me look like Bruce Jenner or Lance Armstrong (or
>to really test your age/trivial pursuit, Mark Spitz) by comparison. I just
>hate this goddamn self pity bullshit, and the only thing that really helps
>is helping others. But falling flat on my face, when the real chips are
>really down, when people are dying, when it really counts and matters is
>just too damn hard, too damn rough, too impossible get used to. Going from
>being that guy who always knew how to and when to put out the fires, and now
>I'm just another obstacle to get in the way. Sometimes the only useful thing
>I have left to do is donate my body to science fiction.
>I'm fine, don't worry about me, I'm just going through one of my "blue
>periods". Not the religious guy, I hope it doesn't sound hypocritical to say
>thank god for the wife, without her I'd truly be lost, long, long, ago. But
>venting to you guys, helps more than you can know and whether we've fought
>or hugged, thanks to all for being there for me.
>This isn't a "goodbye cruel world" note or anything like that. I've walked
>that road too, and if you want to do it, you just do it, you don't cry for
>help. It's just a vent and a ...
>
>Thank you--og
>
I tell you one thing from most of the stuff I've heard/read from
people who are trying to help the evacuees I would much rather be in a
position to help those that are trying to get the city back together.
Handing whomever is working a bottle of cold water or whatever might
actually get you a thank you. Not that you want or need one, but just
out of common courtesy.

There is so much manpower sitting on their collective asses in the
evacuation centers doing nothing more but putting their hand out as
usual while others are busily risking life & limb to put "their" city
back together again.

Go ahead and flame on, but screw it that is the way I feel right now
after a friend just got back from volunteering at the Astrodome and
having abuse after abuse heaped on him by those he was trying to help.
I'd repeat what he had to say, but I suspect many wouldn't believe it.
--
Zombywoof

Si vis Pacem, Para bellum

OldGoat

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

Dear Ronnie,
Thanks, I know I rambled there for a bit. This whole thing is just too big.
If they had chronic pain in a back or an arm, it's easy to whip out the list
of ideas. How or What do you fix the to a man whose wife said "let me go"
and pulled her hand away from his, so he could hold on to the chimney with
both hands. Where's his Oxycontin? What surgeon is going to fix that kind of
heart damage? What friend or family is going to stop him screaming in the
night? And we have the tiniest of thoughts that we're in pain?
I feel ashamed, I feel dirty, compared to what this man and thousands like
him have gone through. You know though, between you me and the other 15
million people on the net, guys like this poor man, who know the real face
of pain, not the smiley "Mr. YUK version" on Saturday morning cartoons that
most of us see (and I am by no means belittling or making jest of anybody's
personal pain) guys like this have saved my life. When it hurts so bad you
just want to cash it all in, would it help this guy or anyone like him to
pull that trigger or take those 20 extra pills?
There's a line in Tolkien, I think it was the Fellowship, which was the 1st
of the "Lord of the Rings trilogy, where Frodo asks something to the Wizard
Gandalf about wishing they had killed Gollum while he was captive. As
wizards are given to saying wise things, he replies something like, "many
deserving of life die, while many who deserve death, live. Who should be
qualified to make such choices, and who of the wisest, being wise, would be
fool enough to believe it's their choice to make? No one knows what may come
to pass and even the lowliest convict may have an important role to play,
ere the end of all things." Finding myself Frodo, I'd still have to say, "It
still sucks." to which Gandalf would have no doubt nodded in agreement as he
puffed away on his pipe.(you don't think they was smoking tobacciey in them
yonder pipes dew ye? Watcha think made them wise to begin with??)/
It's just when things in our life quickly sour to shit, lend a thought to
poor "Old Man River" down there. He didn't hang on for himself, I'm sure
he'd have'd rather let go too. but Mrs. River knew she couldn't stay, even
with help. If that man is not in the dictionary under strength, you got an
old edition. But there's thousands that should be right there with him. If
he doesn't show that you can survive anything, test, surgery. crisis,
anything nothing can.

OT a little - how long B4 these political assholes in this town try and tie
Katrina in to 9/11 in some shape or form?----

" They had it all wrong, not Weapons of Mass Destruction--- WMD-- IT was
Weather Manipulated Destruction!!!"
"Al-quieda has secret weather control satellite in orbit" right under our
noses!! Osma gets up in the AM, lights a fart to see if the wind is right
(lit by one of the CIA supply drops from stuff confiscated at the airport-
more on that later- and if the burn is to the left guy trying to kiss his
XXX, the attack is on- damn infidels!

Since the satellite technologies are involved in this here's your headlines
for the next week or two...

'Halliburton buys Comcast in $40B buyout deal", then Direct TV & Dish
network file chapter 11. They'll keep sucking the 9/11 crap in because it
makes them seem patriotic, not moronic. Here we are 6,6,6, years these later
and these guys haven't done jack shit but acquire about 60 billion nail
clippers and cigarette lighters.

HEY, I JUST SINGLE HANDEDLY SOLVED THE FUEL CRISIS!!! government propane and
butane powered vehicles from all the confiscated lighters!!!

Thanks Ronnie, I promise a lighter shade of blue in the morning, if not a
totally different color altogether Everyone tells me my best color is
cynical.--og

"Ronnie" <rnvn@snet.net> wrote in message
news:GMoVe.796$D42.648@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> OG you dont have to go to N. O. or places in and around it. Dont you
> understand what you do when you post to ppl right here with your level
> headed advice? You have every right to feel down with the day to day
> pull of chronic pain. Even when you tell someone off (which isnt many
> times)
> you do it with level headed sense... Everyone is intitled to swim in the
> pity pot
> as long as they remember where the ladder is to climb out. You are
> human..
> I guess you would call me an OG groupie...
>
> Ronnie
> ---
> "Kindness is a hard thing to give away,
> for it is usually returned."
>
> "OldGoat" <oldgoatmail@ERdocsuckyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:tkmVe.2690$R9.1402@trnddc02...
> should
> foolish
> than
> the
> places
> of
> mind
> brick
> weak"
> to
> I
> copays,
> to
> can
> pretty
> knowing
> up
> now
> thing
> say
> But
>
>

ZombyWoof

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:10:52 GMT, "OldGoat"
<oldgoatmail@ERdocsuckyahoo.com> wrote:

>Dear Ronnie,
>Thanks, I know I rambled there for a bit. This whole thing is just too big.
>If they had chronic pain in a back or an arm, it's easy to whip out the list
>of ideas. How or What do you fix the to a man whose wife said "let me go"
>and pulled her hand away from his, so he could hold on to the chimney with
>both hands. Where's his Oxycontin? What surgeon is going to fix that kind of
>heart damage? What friend or family is going to stop him screaming in the
>night? And we have the tiniest of thoughts that we're in pain?
>I feel ashamed, I feel dirty, compared to what this man and thousands like
>him have gone through. You know though, between you me and the other 15
>million people on the net, guys like this poor man, who know the real face
>of pain, not the smiley "Mr. YUK version" on Saturday morning cartoons that
>most of us see (and I am by no means belittling or making jest of anybody's
>personal pain) guys like this have saved my life. When it hurts so bad you
>just want to cash it all in, would it help this guy or anyone like him to
>pull that trigger or take those 20 extra pills?
>There's a line in Tolkien, I think it was the Fellowship, which was the 1st
>of the "Lord of the Rings trilogy, where Frodo asks something to the Wizard
>Gandalf about wishing they had killed Gollum while he was captive. As
>wizards are given to saying wise things, he replies something like, "many
>deserving of life die, while many who deserve death, live. Who should be
>qualified to make such choices, and who of the wisest, being wise, would be
>fool enough to believe it's their choice to make? No one knows what may come
>to pass and even the lowliest convict may have an important role to play,
>ere the end of all things." Finding myself Frodo, I'd still have to say, "It
>still sucks." to which Gandalf would have no doubt nodded in agreement as he
>puffed away on his pipe.(you don't think they was smoking tobacciey in them
>yonder pipes dew ye? Watcha think made them wise to begin with??)/
>It's just when things in our life quickly sour to shit, lend a thought to
>poor "Old Man River" down there. He didn't hang on for himself, I'm sure
>he'd have'd rather let go too. but Mrs. River knew she couldn't stay, even
>with help. If that man is not in the dictionary under strength, you got an
>old edition. But there's thousands that should be right there with him. If
>he doesn't show that you can survive anything, test, surgery. crisis,
>anything nothing can.
>
>OT a little - how long B4 these political assholes in this town try and tie
>Katrina in to 9/11 in some shape or form?----
>
>" They had it all wrong, not Weapons of Mass Destruction--- WMD-- IT was
>Weather Manipulated Destruction!!!"
> "Al-quieda has secret weather control satellite in orbit" right under our
>noses!! Osma gets up in the AM, lights a fart to see if the wind is right
>(lit by one of the CIA supply drops from stuff confiscated at the airport-
>more on that later- and if the burn is to the left guy trying to kiss his
>XXX, the attack is on- damn infidels!
>
>Since the satellite technologies are involved in this here's your headlines
>for the next week or two...
>
>'Halliburton buys Comcast in $40B buyout deal", then Direct TV & Dish
>network file chapter 11. They'll keep sucking the 9/11 crap in because it
>makes them seem patriotic, not moronic. Here we are 6,6,6, years these later
>and these guys haven't done jack shit but acquire about 60 billion nail
>clippers and cigarette lighters.
>
>HEY, I JUST SINGLE HANDEDLY SOLVED THE FUEL CRISIS!!! government propane and
>butane powered vehicles from all the confiscated lighters!!!
>
>Thanks Ronnie, I promise a lighter shade of blue in the morning, if not a
>totally different color altogether Everyone tells me my best color is
>cynical.--og
>
Did the Doc just change your meds?
--
Zombywoof

Si vis Pacem, Para bellum

~*LiveLoveLaugh*~

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

"Ronnie" <rnvn@snet.net> wrote in message
news:GMoVe.796$D42.648@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> OG you dont have to go to N. O. or places in and around it. Dont you
> understand what you do when you post to ppl right here with your level
> headed advice? You have every right to feel down with the day to day
> pull of chronic pain. Even when you tell someone off (which isnt many
> times)
> you do it with level headed sense... Everyone is intitled to swim in the
> pity pot
> as long as they remember where the ladder is to climb out. You are
human..
> I guess you would call me an OG groupie...

Ditto, ditto, and a big, fat DITTO!!! OG? Can I have your autograph???

<feeling old thinking about M. Spitz in his red, white and blue speedos>

--

·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:-
¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
Laurie
((¸¸.·´ ..·´
-:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.·

*~*LiveLoveLaugh, and hangin' in there!*~*

"How disappointment tracks the steps of hope..."
~Letitia Landon

<gently snipped>

Smokie Darling (Annie)

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
> "Ronnie" <rnvn@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:GMoVe.796$D42.648@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
he[vbcol=seagreen]
> human..
>
> Ditto, ditto, and a big, fat DITTO!!! OG? Can I have your autograph??? =

>
> <feeling old thinking about M. Spitz in his red, white and blue speedos>

I was a competitive swimmer (from the time I was 5). We had a camper
(that thing that gets put onto the bed of a pickup truck). It slept 5
or 6, can't remember which, anyway... Back to the point. On the
table, my mom took the poster of Spitz (with the 7 gold medals spread
on his chest), and covered it with clear "contact" paper (that stuff
that was sticky on one side), so the picture wouldn't be marred by
meals and such. That was on there for ages (I was 9 when he won his
medals, so I ain't all that young either). Until we sold the silly
thing I think (that would have been in 80 or 81). Ah, memories of when
I was mobile.

Smokie Darling (Annie) - he was wearing them Speedos in the poster
<sigh>

>
> --
>
> =B7.=B7=B4=A8 =A8)) -:=A6:-
> =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8))
> Laurie
> ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4
> -:=A6:- ((=B8=B8 =B7.=B7
>
> *~*LiveLoveLaugh, and hangin' in there!*~*
>
> "How disappointment tracks the steps of hope..."
> ~Letitia Landon
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> <gently snipped>

healthyhabit@aol.com

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

I got 5th place in a Drug free Mr. NewEngland. and second place in a
drug free Mr. NH. I stress Drug free because I wasn't a self centerd
person that needed a short cut of steroids. The irony is i was put on
some steroids after the accident. Back then I thought I was going to
get better. Do you think we should hold on to what we used to be? or
just the thought of what we where. I miss being that man. That man had
a great job (fitness director for a large health club) beautifull wife
and child. A small part of me still thinks that they are going to come
up with a cure for the nerve damage. This Idea is 8.5 years old but
greatly diminised in the last 2 years. Slow learner or idiot for not
acceping the fact that nerve damage is forever? I'm just afraid I guess.

~*LiveLoveLaugh*~

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnabus1993@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126627445.646923.159200@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
> "Ronnie" <rnvn@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:GMoVe.796$D42.648@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
the[vbcol=seagreen]
> human..
>
> Ditto, ditto, and a big, fat DITTO!!! OG? Can I have your autograph???

>
> <feeling old thinking about M. Spitz in his red, white and blue speedos>

I was a competitive swimmer (from the time I was 5). We had a camper
(that thing that gets put onto the bed of a pickup truck). It slept 5
or 6, can't remember which, anyway... Back to the point. On the
table, my mom took the poster of Spitz (with the 7 gold medals spread
on his chest), and covered it with clear "contact" paper (that stuff
that was sticky on one side), so the picture wouldn't be marred by
meals and such. That was on there for ages (I was 9 when he won his
medals, so I ain't all that young either). Until we sold the silly
thing I think (that would have been in 80 or 81). Ah, memories of when
I was mobile.

Smokie Darling (Annie) - he was wearing them Speedos in the poster
<sigh>

Now that's just plain 'too much Spitz' for me!!! LOL... I sure can picture
it tho'!! Thanks for sharing a funny memory, Annie. I need all the funny I
can get right now!!

--

·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:-
¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
Laurie
((¸¸.·´ ..·´
-:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.·

*~*LiveLoveLaugh, and hangin' in there!*~*

"How disappointment tracks the steps of hope..."
~Letitia Landon

>
> --
>
> ·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:-
> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
> Laurie
> ((¸¸.·´ ..·´
> -:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.·
>
> *~*LiveLoveLaugh, and hangin' in there!*~*
>
> "How disappointment tracks the steps of hope..."
> ~Letitia Landon
>
>
>
>
>
> <gently snipped>

healthyhabit@aol.com

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

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I got 5th place in a Drug free Mr. NewEngland. and second place in a
drug free Mr. NH. I stress Drug free because I wasn't a self centerd
person that needed a short cut of steroids. The irony is i was put on
some steroids after the accident. Back then I thought I was going to
get better. Do you think we should hold on to what we used to be? or
just the thought of what we where. I miss being that man. That man had
a great job (fitness director for a large health club) beautifull wife
and child. A small part of me still thinks that they are going to come
up with a cure for the nerve damage. This Idea is 8.5 years old but
greatly diminised in the last 2 years. Slow learner or idiot for not
acceping the fact that nerve damage is forever? I'm just afraid I
guess.

Gigglz

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

Dearest og,

I completely understand how you are feeling, and I'm sorry YOU have to
feel this way. Like you, I was always the motivator, the doer, the
helper. Now I watch in dismay! I hate not feeling worthwhile! I do
have to say one thing to you, that I'm certain of...100%.

"THAT GUY HELPED ME"! YOU are that guy! You have reached out to me
countless times, og. When I've felt like tomorrow shouldn't come, you
were there to reassure me that it would, and give me a good reason to
stick around. So even if your body is "2/3 wasted", your mind and
your heart MORE than make up for it. The compassion you've shown in
this group over and over again has saved many...not to mention your
outstanding sense of humor! You are a blessing to all who know you,
including Mrs. og!

I love ya, og...always have, always will!

Hugs from your twin in gimpdom,

Nada the Gigglz

p.s. Did you know that "og" spelled backwards is go? :-) And you
got plenty of it yet!

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:22:33 GMT, "OldGoat"
<oldgoatmail@ERdocsuckyahoo.com> wrote:

>Dear Folks,
>
>You know most of us here people with no face, which is really how it should
>be I guess, so nothing is taboo.
>Things are never how you expect them to go in life, so I guess it's foolish
>to expect anything from it. I always thought I'd find myself at a cross
>roads in my life where if I took the right, not quite the easiest, but the
>right fork and I could go to my grave knowing I did something, not looking
>for fame, not looking for fortune, not even wanting recognition, other than
>someone to say "that guy helped me". Just make a difference to make
>someone's life a little better and move on to the next guy. I feel like the
>2 guys having breakfast in Pulp Fiction, talking about the TV show "kung
>fu", "just walking the earth and having adventures".
>Here I sit, with a 2/3 wasted body, with the adventure to help and move on
>to be going on for months, even years, in the Gulf Coast. I've been to New
>Orleans and been to Gulfport and been to Biloxi, they were beautiful places
>and my time there was way too short. But my path is there rolled out smack
>dab in the face to go to help strangers by the scores and the "situation" of
>my lifetime has me more likely to become a causality helping anyone. My mind
>is so focused to do good, I could bore a couple of eyeholes through a brick
>wall to get it done. The saying "the mind is willing, but the flesh is weak"
>may have been meant for other situations, but my mind and body just want to
>explode to from this desire to help. Give a kid a candy bar, a fireman a
>clean bottle of drinking water, just some goddamnthing other than wishing I
>was in the middle of it, and not caring if I come back out in one piece or
>not, just helping. And thanks to King George and the other oil Barron's
>getting richer on this mess, I don' know if I can handle the monthly copays,
>docs and meds, much less have a couple of nickels to rub together to send to
>help or even get down there. If they find any organs they can use, they can
>have them all. It's not like there's anything else that is all mine to
>freely give.
>Sorry to XXXXX, it seems like there's so many with so little and I used to
>be able to handle a bucket truck, a chainsaw, and know what I'm doing pretty
>damn well around hot high voltage lines. It makes me fell disgusted with
>myself when I see the convoys of power company trucks rolling south, knowing
>what they'll be doing, rebuilding the power grid, clearing the mess, block
>by block, while I felt like a stroke was on it's way for trying to crank up
>the grass trimmer.
>No sympathy please. It just seems to make the inadequately even more
>mountainous. I just need a stiff drink and a solid night's sleep. Some of
>your physical issues make me look like Bruce Jenner or Lance Armstrong (or
>to really test your age/trivial pursuit, Mark Spitz) by comparison. I just
>hate this goddamn self pity bullshit, and the only thing that really helps
>is helping others. But falling flat on my face, when the real chips are
>really down, when people are dying, when it really counts and matters is
>just too damn hard, too damn rough, too impossible get used to. Going from
>being that guy who always knew how to and when to put out the fires, and now
>I'm just another obstacle to get in the way. Sometimes the only useful thing
>I have left to do is donate my body to science fiction.
>I'm fine, don't worry about me, I'm just going through one of my "blue
>periods". Not the religious guy, I hope it doesn't sound hypocritical to say
>thank god for the wife, without her I'd truly be lost, long, long, ago. But
>venting to you guys, helps more than you can know and whether we've fought
>or hugged, thanks to all for being there for me.
>This isn't a "goodbye cruel world" note or anything like that. I've walked
>that road too, and if you want to do it, you just do it, you don't cry for
>help. It's just a vent and a ...
>
>Thank you--og
>

Patrick

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

You will get no sympathy from me OG, what you will get is a bit of
my own selfishness.

I want you happy joyous and free so you will be there for me, as you
have been in the past. Yeah I know I am a self centered A**hole, but
it is the truth. I have to ditto what nada/gigglz said too.

No sympathy here, you touch peoples lives and that I want to continue,
so In my own egocentric way, I want you doing as well as possible
for my own sake. So let me know now, that I have told you what I
want...... how can I go about making sure it happens!!

Luv ya bro

--
Patrick

Patrick H. Mason MS, OHST, EMT-I

A delusion shared by many is a culture; shared by some is a cult;
shared by 2 is love; but a delusion held by one is psychosis.
"Gigglz" <frekklz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ruigi1p948em7mobu6aolqhvbdq34fpfcg@4ax.com...
> Dearest og,
>
> I completely understand how you are feeling, and I'm sorry YOU have to
> feel this way. Like you, I was always the motivator, the doer, the
> helper. Now I watch in dismay! I hate not feeling worthwhile! I do
> have to say one thing to you, that I'm certain of...100%.
>
> "THAT GUY HELPED ME"! YOU are that guy! You have reached out to me
> countless times, og. When I've felt like tomorrow shouldn't come, you
> were there to reassure me that it would, and give me a good reason to
> stick around. So even if your body is "2/3 wasted", your mind and
> your heart MORE than make up for it. The compassion you've shown in
> this group over and over again has saved many...not to mention your
> outstanding sense of humor! You are a blessing to all who know you,
> including Mrs. og!
>
> I love ya, og...always have, always will!
>
> Hugs from your twin in gimpdom,
>
> Nada the Gigglz
>
> p.s. Did you know that "og" spelled backwards is go? :-) And you
> got plenty of it yet!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:22:33 GMT, "OldGoat"
> <oldgoatmail@ERdocsuckyahoo.com> wrote:
>
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healthyhabit@aol.com

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

what does OG not backwards mean ? Old Goat? I just want to be sure

~*LiveLoveLaugh*~

2005-09-23, 7:28 pm

"Gigglz" <frekklz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:00sji19u0dech1tfdegcn9pjinle85iv4u@4ax.com...
> On 15 Sep 2005 14:49:13 -0700, healthyhabit@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Yup :-)

I saw this question...

What does "what does OG not backwards" mean??? I said to myself... Goat
Old? But that would be backwards, I suppose.

Not backwards could be Oh God, I guess. This reply is totally meaningless,
btw. ;oP'''

--

·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:-
¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
Laurie
((¸¸.·´ ..·´
-:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.·

*~*LiveLoveLaugh, and hangin' in there!*~*

"How disappointment tracks the steps of hope..."
~Letitia Landon