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Bin Ladin's message Iin case you missed it today) OT

Codeee01@hotmail.com

2004-10-30, 2:07 am

Sorry - if you're reading this and not interested in hearing about the
War on Terrorism..skip this, but for the rest of us..I think it
behooves us to read what he had to say..and believe it! A lot of it
makes sense..and it IS foolish to ignore ones' enemy. IMHO anyway
(or unless he's trolling a newsgroup, AFAIK he hasn't done THAT yet).
;)

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20.../D861GA5G0.html

NW Blue Penguin

2004-10-30, 7:06 am

>Subject: Bin Ladin's message Iin case you missed it today) OT
>From: Codeee01@hotmail.com
>Date: 10/29/2004 8:52 PM Pacific

Thank you Codeee! Very interesting!

>Sorry - if you're reading this and not interested in hearing about the
>War on Terrorism..skip this, but for the rest of us..I think it
>behooves us to read what he had to say..and believe it! A lot of it
>makes sense..and it IS foolish to ignore ones' enemy. IMHO anyway
>(or unless he's trolling a newsgroup, AFAIK he hasn't done THAT yet).
>;)
>
>
>http://apnews.myway.com//article/20.../D861GA5G0.html

"The family is the nucleus of civilization"
-Ariel and Will Durant

Gigglz

2004-10-30, 7:08 pm

Thanks, Codeee. That sick f**k !

What ever happened to the REAL war on terrorism and capturing Bin
Laden? How did it become a war in Iraq and capturing So-Dam-Insane?
Oh yah, that is the war on oil, right?

I'm getting all confused.

This is scary!

Nada

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:52:47 -0700, Codeee01@hotmail.com wrote:

>
>
>Sorry - if you're reading this and not interested in hearing about the
>War on Terrorism..skip this, but for the rest of us..I think it
>behooves us to read what he had to say..and believe it! A lot of it
>makes sense..and it IS foolish to ignore ones' enemy. IMHO anyway
>(or unless he's trolling a newsgroup, AFAIK he hasn't done THAT yet).
>;)
>
>
>http://apnews.myway.com//article/20.../D861GA5G0.html

Master Juba

2004-10-30, 7:08 pm

<Codeee01@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uq36o0lmap2ig2rnut5e5ms9ck8ergnkib@4ax.com
> Sorry - if you're reading this and not interested in hearing about the
> War on Terrorism..skip this, but for the rest of us..I think it
> behooves us to read what he had to say..and believe it! A lot of it
> makes sense..and it IS foolish to ignore ones' enemy. IMHO anyway
> (or unless he's trolling a newsgroup, AFAIK he hasn't done THAT yet).
> ;)
>

I disagree that we should believe it or that any of it makes sense. It's
important to know your enemy, but one should view this as ham-handed
propaganda, because that's exactly what it is.

Bin Laden didn't give a damn about the Palestinians until recently. He
declared his jihad against America because of the troops we stationed in
Saudi Arabia after the first Gulf war. He has since latched on to the
Palestinian cause and now suddenly he says he's concerned about the
Lebanese too. Give me a break.

The Palestinians are just pawns in a chess game between the West and the
Islamic world. The Arabs have more than enough oil money to take care of
the Palestinians, but they'd rather keep the Palestinians poor and
stateless--a festering open wound. The Arabs make token donations to
Palestinian welfare, while they spend billions on jihad and creating a
culture of death.

That said, we have tilted too far towards Israel, but that's because
there hasn't been any chance of ever setting the dispute as long as
Arafat is alive. Arafat has always seen his legacy as being a
revolutionary leader. If he had made peace with Israel, the Palestinians
wouldn't have anyone to blame but themselves for their problems and
Arafat knows that as their leader he would take the blame. He is more
concerned about his place in history than he is about his own people.

--
Juba
www.masterjuba.net

Michael S.

2004-10-30, 7:08 pm

In article <cm0q1k$ikp$0@pita.alt.net>,
"Master Juba" <masterjuba@masterjuba.net> wrote:

> <Codeee01@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uq36o0lmap2ig2rnut5e5ms9ck8ergnkib@4ax.com
>
> I disagree that we should believe it or that any of it makes sense. It's
> important to know your enemy, but one should view this as ham-handed
> propaganda, because that's exactly what it is.

Agreed. These guys never warn of what they're planning. They only
threaten. And their threats over the last few years have not been
connected with terrorist events. They threatened that they would prevail
greatly in Afganistan, and in fact, they barely even showed up and were
either taken out, captured, or they ran. Bin Laden threatens now because
a significant portion of his terror machine has been killed, captured,
or sent into hiding. In his own sick little way, he's actually trying to
negotiate, which is absurd, and an indication that he feels he's in a
weakened position. He hopes he can influence this election, but I don't
think he understands who and what America is. If this bit of propaganda
had any effect at all on the election, it would probably benefit Bush,
which definitely isn't what Bin Laden has in mind.

> Bin Laden didn't give a damn about the Palestinians until recently. He
> declared his jihad against America because of the troops we stationed in
> Saudi Arabia after the first Gulf war. He has since latched on to the
> Palestinian cause and now suddenly he says he's concerned about the
> Lebanese too. Give me a break.

Yeah, he's pretty self-absorbed. Like a politician, he's willing to say
whatever he thinks will have an effect on his followers. But his ego is
showing. He's trying to garner other support because his existing
support is compromised. He threatens because he's not in as able a
position to do damage.

> The Palestinians are just pawns in a chess game between the West and the
> Islamic world. The Arabs have more than enough oil money to take care of
> the Palestinians, but they'd rather keep the Palestinians poor and
> stateless--a festering open wound. The Arabs make token donations to
> Palestinian welfare, while they spend billions on jihad and creating a
> culture of death.

Sad but true.

> That said, we have tilted too far towards Israel, but that's because
> there hasn't been any chance of ever setting the dispute as long as
> Arafat is alive. Arafat has always seen his legacy as being a
> revolutionary leader. If he had made peace with Israel, the Palestinians
> wouldn't have anyone to blame but themselves for their problems and
> Arafat knows that as their leader he would take the blame. He is more
> concerned about his place in history than he is about his own people.

Very perceptive. And it's likely someone even worse could take his place
when he goes. Bin Laden would certainly welcome the opportunity to gain
influence over whoever he can. (Not that he could take Arafat's place!)
But compared to him, Arafat looks like Mother Theresa.

Gigglz

2004-10-31, 7:07 am

ZombyWoof

2004-10-31, 11:07 am

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:51:42 GMT, Gigglz <Frekklz@hotmail.com> wrote
something wonderfully witty:

>Thanks, Codeee. That sick f**k !
>
>What ever happened to the REAL war on terrorism and capturing Bin
>Laden? How did it become a war in Iraq and capturing So-Dam-Insane?
>Oh yah, that is the war on oil, right?
>
>I'm getting all confused.
>
>This is scary!
>
Getting scary? It has been scary for over a decade now. Don't ever
think what we are doing in Afghanistan isn't about oil either. That
is why the Russians were there back in the 80's when most of there
terrorist organizations were created, with our help I might add.

There is a desire to run a pipeline through that entire country to
bring out oil from Turkmenistan oil & gas fields. The building of the
trans-Afghanistan pipeline has been under discussion for some years
but plans have been held up by Afghanistan's unstable political
situation. The Russians tried to stabilize it by force when
Turkmenistan was part of the Soviet Union and now we are.

A complete time line going back to 1979 is at the following website:

http://www.ringnebula.com/Oil/Timeline.htm

--

You can run, but you'll only die tired.

ZombyWoof