Medicine transcription - speaking of mary in a grilled cheese

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speaking of mary in a grilled cheese

djgordon

2005-04-21, 10:48 pm

Okay, now a water spot on a concrete overpass is the latest miracle of Mary
appearing in a weird place. People are weeping! I'm sorry, am I too cynical?

My opinion: (disclaimer--this is only an opinion and my very own at that--I
do not dare push it on anyone else, just sharing it)

People are getting further and further from believing in their Gods as there
are just no miracles of the Bible anymore to keep them safe in their faith,
so whatever crutch (not meant to be derogatory, just a fitting word) they
can find, they are pouncing on in order to restore something they feel
they're losing.

Dani

Maureen Galvin

2005-04-21, 10:48 pm

So you've heard of Our Lady of Graffitti or Our Lady Of the Kennedy - patron
saint of accident investigations.

Yes, I do believe that people are just so overwhelmed that they will look to
anything for comfort.

It is a water stain on concrete. It's been there for quite time. But it is
amazing how it only takes one or two people to put an idea in other people's
heads and all reason goes out the window.

IDOT is treating it like any other road side memorial for now, but the
flowrs, the candles, the offerings and the crowds just keep growing.

Maureen

"djgordon" <danigordon@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Okay, now a water spot on a concrete overpass is the latest miracle of
> Mary
> appearing in a weird place. People are weeping! I'm sorry, am I too
> cynical?
>
> My opinion: (disclaimer--this is only an opinion and my very own at
> that--I
> do not dare push it on anyone else, just sharing it)
>
> People are getting further and further from believing in their Gods as
> there
> are just no miracles of the Bible anymore to keep them safe in their
> faith,
> so whatever crutch (not meant to be derogatory, just a fitting word) they
> can find, they are pouncing on in order to restore something they feel
> they're losing.
>
> Dani
>
>

Tallulah

2005-04-21, 10:48 pm

I really need my glasses, Maureen. I thought you said IDIOT instead of
IDOT. ;)

Maureen Galvin

2005-04-21, 10:48 pm

"Tallulah" <tallulahbankrupt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I really need my glasses, Maureen. I thought you said IDIOT instead of
> IDOT. ;)
>
<SNORT> - Basically the same thing ;)

Maureen

Susan Mitchell

2005-04-21, 10:48 pm

When I see these fools, I see how easy it was for Jim Jones, Jimmy Swaggert,
Benny Hihn, Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, Billly Graham and all those frauds
to keep leading the masses to their bank accounts!!!

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
(to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
"Maureen Galvin" <maureen.galvin@comcast.dot.net> wrote in message
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> So you've heard of Our Lady of Graffitti or Our Lady Of the Kennedy -
patron
> saint of accident investigations.
>
> Yes, I do believe that people are just so overwhelmed that they will look
to
> anything for comfort.
>
> It is a water stain on concrete. It's been there for quite time. But it
is
> amazing how it only takes one or two people to put an idea in other
people's
> heads and all reason goes out the window.
>
> IDOT is treating it like any other road side memorial for now, but the
> flowrs, the candles, the offerings and the crowds just keep growing.
>
> Maureen
>
> "djgordon" <danigordon@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:qaW9e.90084$f%4.10822@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
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>
>

Bambi C.

2005-04-21, 10:48 pm

I wouldn't place Billy Graham in that grouping.

Bambi C.

"Susan Mitchell" <medlawtrans@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> When I see these fools, I see how easy it was for Jim Jones, Jimmy
> Swaggert,
> Benny Hihn, Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, Billly Graham and all those
> frauds
> to keep leading the masses to their bank accounts!!!
>
> --
> Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
> (to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
> "Maureen Galvin" <maureen.galvin@comcast.dot.net> wrote in message
> news:3OKdnR0ZZv99qPXfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> patron
> to
> is
> people's
> they
>
>

Ed Chait

2005-04-21, 10:48 pm

"djgordon" <danigordon@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:qaW9e.90084$f%4.10822@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> Okay, now a water spot on a concrete overpass is the latest miracle of
> Mary
> appearing in a weird place. People are weeping! I'm sorry, am I too
> cynical?
>
> My opinion: (disclaimer--this is only an opinion and my very own at
> that--I
> do not dare push it on anyone else, just sharing it)
>
> People are getting further and further from believing in their Gods as
> there
> are just no miracles of the Bible anymore to keep them safe in their
> faith,
> so whatever crutch (not meant to be derogatory, just a fitting word) they
> can find, they are pouncing on in order to restore something they feel
> they're losing.
>
> Dani
>

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal
power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what
has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Rom 1:20 NIV)

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave
thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts
were darkened. (Rom 1:21 NIV)

Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools (Rom 1:22 NIV)

and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like
mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. (Rom 1:23 NIV)

RaeMorrill

2005-04-21, 10:48 pm

I used to think he was one of the decent ones too - until I heard about
those White House taped discussions - with Nixon I think - about Jews.

Bambi C. wrote:
> I wouldn't place Billy Graham in that grouping.
>
> Bambi C.
>
>
> "Susan Mitchell" <medlawtrans@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:SICdnUWISaVJy_XfRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
>
>
>

djgordon

2005-04-21, 10:49 pm

I did some transcription for author, Patricia Cornwell, a few years ago and
Billy Graham basically helped raise her and I didn't care for him much
either until she told some of the stories of her youth with him. I can't
stand to watch him on TV and think about what he is doing, but apparently he
is a good human, or at least in her eyes and I admire that woman deeply.

Dani

"Bambi C." <blcc324@epix.net> wrote in message
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> I wouldn't place Billy Graham in that grouping.
>
> Bambi C.
>
>
> "Susan Mitchell" <medlawtrans@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:SICdnUWISaVJy_XfRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
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Susan Mitchell

2005-04-21, 10:49 pm

Exactly, he's no better. He was very political and the one president he
ignored was the most Christian, especially after leaving the white house,
Jimmy Carter, No I never support Carter. But shows you Graham's "great"
Christianity! He is no different, in my never very humble opinion. After
his last comments about the last election I put him right into that group
100%!

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
(to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
"RaeMorrill" <RaeMorrill@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I used to think he was one of the decent ones too - until I heard about
> those White House taped discussions - with Nixon I think - about Jews.
>
>
> Bambi C. wrote:
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Susan Mitchell

2005-04-21, 10:49 pm

I think he has done some good for some people, as most of them have. He is
not God-like or any better than any one else. He is very smooth, however.

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
(to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
"djgordon" <danigordon@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> I did some transcription for author, Patricia Cornwell, a few years ago
and
> Billy Graham basically helped raise her and I didn't care for him much
> either until she told some of the stories of her youth with him. I can't
> stand to watch him on TV and think about what he is doing, but apparently
he
> is a good human, or at least in her eyes and I admire that woman deeply.
>
> Dani
>
> "Bambi C." <blcc324@epix.net> wrote in message
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Susan Mitchell

2005-04-22, 8:48 am

Wasn't that Bishop Sheen? I remember him.

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
(to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
"Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson@snappydsl.net> wrote in message
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> And he is a better speaker than most of them. I can't help but admire a
> good speaker. Many years ago before most of you can remember in early TV
> there was a Catholic priest had a half hour show. I can't remember his
> name. Even though our family tended to be anti-Catholic (long story,
quite
> justified in many respects) my dad used to enjoy watching his program
> because he was truly an inspiring speaker! Made you wish you could
believe,
> even if you didn't!--although I was still a believer at that point.
>
> Barb C.
> "Susan Mitchell" <medlawtrans@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Alice

2005-04-22, 8:48 am

I usually lurk, but this is a subject close to my heart.

"as there are just no miracles of the Bible anymore to keep them safe in
their faith,"

I think miracles happen all the time and have had a couple of
experiences that I firmly believe were miracles. Perhaps now we tend to
term them as "luck" or "coincidence" or " a close call" and not
recognize events for the miracles they may be.

Alice

Barbara Carlson

2005-04-22, 11:47 am

Yes, that's it. I thought of it in bed last night--Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.

Barb C.
"Susan Mitchell" <medlawtrans@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Wasn't that Bishop Sheen? I remember him.
>
> --
> Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
> (to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
> "Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson@snappydsl.net> wrote in message
> news:h9SdnV3OAJSj6fXfRVn-oQ@snappydsl.net...
> quite
> believe,
> is
> however.
> can't
> apparently
> deeply.
> those
> will
> other
> growing.
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>
>

djgordon

2005-04-22, 5:48 pm

LOL that reminds me. Missouri is completely redoing Hwy 60 and have been
ever since my sisters moved to Springfield about 15 years ago and we have a
new way to go or a new detour every time we go visit. This last time there
were signs every 50 miles or so talking about MODOT dollars at work and when
a certain project would be completed. What was the best was one where it was
obvious they were taking over someone's home to run the new four lanes and
right under the blue MODOT sign in their yard they had put a huge sign sayin
MODOT SUCKS.

Dani

"LizzieB." <blahblah@blahblahblah.com> wrote in message
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> Maureen Galvin wrote:
>
>
> The road to Hell is paved by the DOT.

JulieW8

2005-04-22, 5:48 pm

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:15:41 GMT, Alice <anielsen1@cfl.rr.com> gave
thanks and said:

>I usually lurk, but this is a subject close to my heart.
>
>"as there are just no miracles of the Bible anymore to keep them safe in
>their faith,"
>
>I think miracles happen all the time and have had a couple of
>experiences that I firmly believe were miracles. Perhaps now we tend to
>term them as "luck" or "coincidence" or " a close call" and not
>recognize events for the miracles they may be.
>
>Alice

Someone sees what they think reflects their own image of what the
Virgin Mary looks like. Someone explain to me what is "miraculous"
about this.

~~~~~*****~~~~~*****~~~~~*****
To send me e-mail, use juliew8@deletethis-alphabest.com

LizzieB.

2005-04-22, 5:48 pm

JulieW8 wrote:

> Someone sees what they think reflects their own image of what the
> Virgin Mary looks like. Someone explain to me what is "miraculous"
> about this.

It's pretty miraculous someone can look at a grilled cheese sandwich or
a water spot and convince themselves it looks like the virgin Mary.

And what about all those messages from Satan in vinyl records played
backward?

I must just be imagination challenged.

RaeMorrill

2005-04-22, 10:48 pm

Isn't it sorta like watching clouds? With a little imagination sooner or
later you can imagine anything you want.

JulieW8 wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:15:41 GMT, Alice <anielsen1@cfl.rr.com> gave
> thanks and said:
>
>
>
>
> Someone sees what they think reflects their own image of what the
> Virgin Mary looks like. Someone explain to me what is "miraculous"
> about this.
>
> ~~~~~*****~~~~~*****~~~~~*****
> To send me e-mail, use juliew8@deletethis-alphabest.com

RaeMorrill

2005-04-22, 10:48 pm

All I know is maybe I should start to cook. I'm likely to burn something
and maybe I can make a fortune on ebay

LizzieB. wrote:
> JulieW8 wrote:
>
>
>
> It's pretty miraculous someone can look at a grilled cheese sandwich or
> a water spot and convince themselves it looks like the virgin Mary.
>
> And what about all those messages from Satan in vinyl records played
> backward?
>
> I must just be imagination challenged.

angel

2005-04-22, 10:48 pm

"I admire that woman deeply. "

So do I. I love her Scarpetta Series, but she also wrote a beautiful
book about Ruth Graham.

Sandi

2005-04-22, 10:48 pm

"angel" <angel_frack99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "I admire that woman deeply. "
>
> So do I. I love her Scarpetta Series, but she also wrote a beautiful
> book about Ruth Graham.
>
I enjoyed the earlier Scarpetta books, but the main characters, who were
early on flawed but likable, by the book "Trace" had not only become
unbearably self-centered, but completely moved beyond the limits of
credibility as far as their personalities and actions went. (Exhibit A:
Benton.) I stopped about halfway through "Trace," and that makes me sad,
because that was one series of books I used to truly enjoy.

The Jack the Ripper book was moderately interesting, but very repetitive,
more like a presentation of evidence in a trial than leisure reading.

Sandi

Eliyahu Rooff

2005-04-23, 8:49 am

"JulieW8" <seemysig@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:15:41 GMT, Alice <anielsen1@cfl.rr.com> gave
> thanks and said:
>
>
> Someone sees what they think reflects their own image of what the
> Virgin Mary looks like. Someone explain to me what is "miraculous"
> about this.
>
This whole thing boggles my mind. People are praying to a water stain
on a concrete wall because it reminds them of a picture they saw of a
statue in a church that was carved to look like what an artist 800 years
ago figured that someone who never had her picture painted might have
looked like. (What ever happened to "make no graven images", anyhow?)
From the pictures they always use, I'm guessing that Joseph and Mary
must have been rather wealthy and politically powerful, as they're
always shown with her dressed in white and purple clothing in a time
when nothing would have stayed white very long and when purple was not
only incredibly expensive to produce, but was usually limited to
royalty.

In any case, those images on walls, pizzas and cheese sandwiches tend to
look to me like the zig-zag man and Joan Baez. But, then, there's no
money to be had in proclaming that sort of resemblence, and no one can
get any religious mileage out of it.

Eliyahu

Ed Chait

2005-04-23, 8:49 am

"Eliyahu Rooff" <lrooff1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:M9lae.13532$c42.3280@fe07.lga...
>
> "JulieW8" <seemysig@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:42697992.171934658@News.individual.net...
> This whole thing boggles my mind. People are praying to a water stain on
> a concrete wall because it reminds them of a picture they saw of a statue
> in a church that was carved to look like what an artist 800 years ago
> figured that someone who never had her picture painted might have looked
> like. (What ever happened to "make no graven images", anyhow?) From the
> pictures they always use, I'm guessing that Joseph and Mary must have
> been rather wealthy and politically powerful, as they're always shown with
> her dressed in white and purple clothing in a time when nothing would have
> stayed white very long and when purple was not only incredibly expensive
> to produce, but was usually limited to royalty.
>
> In any case, those images on walls, pizzas and cheese sandwiches tend to
> look to me like the zig-zag man and Joan Baez. But, then, there's no money
> to be had in proclaming that sort of resemblence, and no one can get any
> religious mileage out of it.
>
> Eliyahu

I don't believe that Alice was addressing the issue of sandwiches as icons,
but rather how we individually view the daily occurrences of life.

ed

"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a
miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."

Albert Einstein

mountain

2005-04-23, 8:49 am

There seems to be a sudden interest in religion. TV shows with religious
undertones are popping up. Da Vinci Code is made into a movie starring
Tom Hanks. What gives?

--
mountain

Ed Chait

2005-04-23, 11:47 am

"mountain" <mountain.1nxyma@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> There seems to be a sudden interest in religion. TV shows with religious
> undertones are popping up. Da Vinci Code is made into a movie starring
> Tom Hanks. What gives?
>

Well, while Hollywood is exploiting the fact that all the pieces are coming
together, the pieces are coming together.

ed

2005-04-23, 11:47 am

(PS-Happy Passover, Eli).

"Eliyahu Rooff" <lrooff1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:M9lae.13532$c42.3280@fe07.lga...
>
> "JulieW8" <seemysig@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:42697992.171934658@News.individual.net...
> This whole thing boggles my mind. People are praying to a water stain on
> a concrete wall because it reminds them of a picture they saw of a statue
> in a church that was carved to look like what an artist 800 years ago
> figured that someone who never had her picture painted might have looked
> like. (What ever happened to "make no graven images", anyhow?) From the
> pictures they always use, I'm guessing that Joseph and Mary must have
> been rather wealthy and politically powerful, as they're always shown with
> her dressed in white and purple clothing in a time when nothing would have
> stayed white very long and when purple was not only incredibly expensive
> to produce, but was usually limited to royalty.
>
> In any case, those images on walls, pizzas and cheese sandwiches tend to
> look to me like the zig-zag man and Joan Baez. But, then, there's no money
> to be had in proclaming that sort of resemblence, and no one can get any
> religious mileage out of it.
>
> Eliyahu
>

Tallulah

2005-04-23, 5:47 pm

I used to do that for hours when I was a kid. Amazing how many clouds
looked like Goofy and Donald Duck.

Now they'd probably look like
Tom Selleck.

Tallulah

2005-04-23, 5:47 pm

Your quote, "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as
though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a
miracle."

Sounds like my life. Every thing I do is boring and insignificant, but
everything my 6-year-old does is absolutely brilliant. At least I'm a
proud mama. <GG>

Ed Chait

2005-04-23, 5:47 pm

"Tallulah" <tallulahbankrupt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Your quote, "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as
> though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a
> miracle."
>
> Sounds like my life. Every thing I do is boring and insignificant, but
> everything my 6-year-old does is absolutely brilliant. At least I'm a
> proud mama. <GG>
>

If you are celebrating your six-year-old's accomplishments in that manner,
then what you're doing is not insignificant.

ed

Maureen Galvin

2005-04-24, 8:49 am

Eliyahu Rooff

2005-04-24, 8:49 am

Thank you.

Eliyahu

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> (PS-Happy Passover, Eli).
>
>
> "Eliyahu Rooff" <lrooff1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Tallulah

2005-04-24, 11:47 am

Thanks Ed. <G - ear to ear - G>

Judity

2005-04-24, 11:47 am

((I used to do that for hours when I was a kid. Amazing how many clouds
looked like Goofy and Donald Duck.

Now they'd probably look like
Tom Selleck. ))

Have you ever tried to catch a cloud on the edge of a building or a tree so
that it appears as if the cloud is staying still while the earth is moving?
It can tend to make you a bit dizzy, but it's really a strange feeling when
it works.

Judity