Medicine transcription - Good or bad law?

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Good or bad law?

Judity

2005-04-11, 5:30 pm

Florida eyes allowing residents to open fire whenever they see threat.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...ns_050406201103

Judity

Susan Mitchell

2005-04-11, 5:30 pm

Well, ole Jeb looks pretty threatening to me, glad I don't live in Florida.
I knew this was what was coming, however.

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
(to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
"Judity" <Judity01@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Florida eyes allowing residents to open fire whenever they see threat.
>
>
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...afp/uscrimeguns
_050406201103
>
> Judity
>
>

haggis

2005-04-11, 5:30 pm

Judity wrote:
> Florida eyes allowing residents to open fire whenever they see threat.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...ns_050406201103

Well, I was pretty worried a few years ago when the same wingnuts
decided it should be okay to carry a handgun around. I don't know that
I've seen anyone marching around like Wyatt Earp since then.

Of course, as I pointed out before, you CAN go to jail for taking a
broom to a bird of prey when it tries to fly off with your Shih Tzu. I
wonder if you could shoot the damned thing now, or if it would have to
enter your living space first.

jeanne
(who hopes the Bush election fix isn't a permanent fixture in FL
politics. . .)

Anne Vasquez

2005-04-11, 5:30 pm

Was that before or after you got over being scared by him? <G>
(Picturing Judity talking nervously to the GS, "My, what a SWEET puppy
you are!")

Anne

Judity wrote:

> ((I'm a big German Shepherd fan. ))
>
> I've never lived with a dog, but when I moved here in 1981, I was greeted by
> many neighborhood dogs. One was a HUGE German Shepherd who would wander
> into my side yard and stand silently behind me until I noticed him. First
> time I'll admit he did scare me a bit, but he just stood there quietly
> staring at me waiting for introductions. He got a nickname from me of Sweet
> Puppy.
>
> Judity
>
>
>

Bob

2005-04-11, 5:30 pm

In article <3bj8s5F6ev290U1@individual.net>, Judity01@aol.com says...
> Florida eyes allowing residents to open fire whenever they see threat.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...ns_050406201103
>
> Judity
>
>
>
It's a good law. If someone walks up to me, pulls out a firearm or
knife, and says, "Give me all your money.", I shouldn't be required to
try to run away before defending myself.

If you do take such action, you must be able to show that you were
threatened, otherwise you will end up facing assault with a deadly
weapon, manslaughter, or possibly murder charges, depending upon the
circumstances.

Bob/Texas

Eliyahu Rooff

2005-04-11, 5:30 pm

"Bob" <nottooslow@forevermail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cbe5b885f978fdb98969b@news-server.satx.rr.com...
> In article <3bj8s5F6ev290U1@individual.net>, Judity01@aol.com says...
> It's a good law. If someone walks up to me, pulls out a firearm or
> knife, and says, "Give me all your money.", I shouldn't be required to
> try to run away before defending myself.
>
> If you do take such action, you must be able to show that you were
> threatened, otherwise you will end up facing assault with a deadly
> weapon, manslaughter, or possibly murder charges, depending upon the
> circumstances.
>
While I can't speak for all states, the law in Washington has long been
that you do not have a duty to retreat when threatened. In fact, this
is one of the jury instructions we use when claiming self-defense for a
client. The issue in Florida, now, is how much of a threat one must
feel before using lethal force. From what I see in the article, there's
quite a bit of ambiguity written into the new law, and it'll allow a
great deal of subjectivity in deciding what's appropriate and what
isn't.

eliyahu

Judity

2005-04-11, 5:30 pm

((Was that before or after you got over being scared by him? <G>
(Picturing Judity talking nervously to the GS, "My, what a SWEET puppy
you are!") ))

Anne, I didn't know you could see me! (laughing)

This dog was nothing compared to the animals who greeted me the day I moved
in. Many friends had helped me, and later after we finished, we all sat out
on the grass under the tree in my front yard (Spock) and had a picnic of
KFC. My cats were safely asleep in the locked back room until the trip's
sedatives wore off. As we ate, a line of four cats crossed the road and
joined our picnic, probably attracted by the smell of chicken. Everyone
should have such a welcoming committee, don't you agree?

After all my guests had gone home, I put down blankets on the front room
floor since my waterbed still was ice cold. As I was lying down ready for
sleep, I heard a noise a few feet away outside my front door. Without
thinking about it, I opened the door and in walked a large dog with what
looked like froth at his mouth. Not knowing a rabid dog from a drooling
malamute, I stood back and cautiously let him wander around the box-filled
house until he decided finally to leave. It turned out this malamute lived
up the road from me and was just curious.

You'd think I'd learned my lesson, but I again opened the front door about
an hour later when I heard a bit of whining and let in another strange dog.
This one didn't want to explore but walked straight over to where my
blankets were, laid down, and fell asleep. I mean, I slept all night with a
stranger. I knew I'd found the perfect place to live after that night.

The possums came later.

Judity

2005-04-11, 5:30 pm

Wyatt Earp swung on both sides of the law, to suit himself.

But, is this Florida the same state that bans gays adopting kids?

The next hurricane should slide it off into the Atlantic Ocean.

"haggis" <haggis58@comcast.netnospam> wrote in message
news:42549582.8060706@comcast.netnospam...
> Judity wrote:
>
>
> Well, I was pretty worried a few years ago when the same wingnuts decided
> it should be okay to carry a handgun around. I don't know that I've seen
> anyone marching around like Wyatt Earp since then.
>
> Of course, as I pointed out before, you CAN go to jail for taking a broom
> to a bird of prey when it tries to fly off with your Shih Tzu. I wonder if
> you could shoot the damned thing now, or if it would have to enter your
> living space first.
>
> jeanne
> (who hopes the Bush election fix isn't a permanent fixture in FL politics.
> . .)
>

Anne Vasquez

2005-04-12, 11:15 am

Sounds like you have an open-door policy, Judity! <G>

Anne

Judity wrote:

>
> Anne, I didn't know you could see me! (laughing)
>
> This dog was nothing compared to the animals who greeted me the day I moved
> in. Many friends had helped me, and later after we finished, we all sat out
> on the grass under the tree in my front yard (Spock) and had a picnic of
> KFC. My cats were safely asleep in the locked back room until the trip's
> sedatives wore off. As we ate, a line of four cats crossed the road and
> joined our picnic, probably attracted by the smell of chicken. Everyone
> should have such a welcoming committee, don't you agree?
>
> After all my guests had gone home, I put down blankets on the front room
> floor since my waterbed still was ice cold. As I was lying down ready for
> sleep, I heard a noise a few feet away outside my front door. Without
> thinking about it, I opened the door and in walked a large dog with what
> looked like froth at his mouth. Not knowing a rabid dog from a drooling
> malamute, I stood back and cautiously let him wander around the box-filled
> house until he decided finally to leave. It turned out this malamute lived
> up the road from me and was just curious.
>
> You'd think I'd learned my lesson, but I again opened the front door about
> an hour later when I heard a bit of whining and let in another strange dog.
> This one didn't want to explore but walked straight over to where my
> blankets were, laid down, and fell asleep. I mean, I slept all night with a
> stranger. I knew I'd found the perfect place to live after that night.
>
> The possums came later.
>
> Judity
>
>

Eliyahu Rooff

2005-04-12, 11:15 am

Unfortunately, the very common reality in such a situation is that the
"stranger" turns out to be a family member coming in late or
unexpectedly. Those are the stories that never make it into the "The
Armed Citizen" section in American Rifleman.

Eliyahu (who doesn't own any firearms and doesn't want to.)

"RaeMorrill" <RaeMorrill@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Thing is how in the world can any other person know how threatened
> another felt under another situation. If I wake up in the middle of
> the night with a stranger in my room, armed or not, I'm going to be
> scared shitless and if I shoot him dead there should be no question
> about it
>
> Eliyahu Rooff wrote:

Judity

2005-04-12, 11:15 am

((Sounds like you have an open-door policy, Judity! <G> ))

Anne, you wouldn't believe all the animals I've had come visiting over the
years. There once was a peacock in my front yard circled by my cats as they
wondered what new meal I was providing them. Another time they had a poor
shivering rottweiler trapped in my well shed. The owner was embarrassed for
this outnumbered dog as it slunk out with its tail tucked underneath amidst
what I swear were laughing cats. At least they left Henry the goat alone
when he came over to eat the persimmons next to my driveway.

But I do miss the baby possums running around my home.

Judity

Anne Vasquez

2005-04-12, 11:15 am

No more baby possums? I thought you had a possum family for life!

I once saw a pair of peacocks strut across my mom's front yard. I have
no idea where they escaped from, but they were gorgeous! No goats, though.

It sounds like you have an interesting neighborhood!

Anne

Judity wrote:
> ((Sounds like you have an open-door policy, Judity! <G> ))
>
> Anne, you wouldn't believe all the animals I've had come visiting over the
> years. There once was a peacock in my front yard circled by my cats as they
> wondered what new meal I was providing them. Another time they had a poor
> shivering rottweiler trapped in my well shed. The owner was embarrassed for
> this outnumbered dog as it slunk out with its tail tucked underneath amidst
> what I swear were laughing cats. At least they left Henry the goat alone
> when he came over to eat the persimmons next to my driveway.
>
> But I do miss the baby possums running around my home.
>
> Judity
>
>

Barbara Carlson

2005-04-12, 11:15 am

I would never want to be without a good-sized dog. We have had Dobermans
for years, and have a Dobey and a Saluki now. No one can get close to the
house without them letting us know, and the noise they make would probably
send them somewhere else!

Barb C.
"RaeMorrill" <RaeMorrill@aol.com> wrote in message
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> LOL. I don't think my DH would come sneaking in in the middle of the
> night. It would be extremely rare for him to come home in the middle of a
> midnight shift, and if he is going to he would let me know. It might take
> me a minute or two to decide who the intruder in the bedroom was, but I
> think the German shepherd sleeping next to me would figure it out fast.
> Then poor them.
>
> Bob wrote:

RaeMorrill

2005-04-12, 11:15 am

I know. When there's a knock on the door, anyone that would open it and
come in w/o an invite would be either deaf or dumb. She's a sweet dog
but I sure wouldn't come past that guard-dog warning bark

Barbara Carlson wrote:
> I would never want to be without a good-sized dog. We have had Dobermans
> for years, and have a Dobey and a Saluki now. No one can get close to the
> house without them letting us know, and the noise they make would probably
> send them somewhere else!
>
> Barb C.
> "RaeMorrill" <RaeMorrill@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:LCD5e.69$BJ3.6@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
>
>
>

2005-04-12, 11:15 am

I have Gracie still (well I don't own her but she's lived with me the
majority of her life, for one reason or another). 80# weimaraner with a bark
that will make your hair stand on end. She bites, too, she ain't foolin'.

But the real "alarm system" is this stupid shih tzu who shrieks at the top
of his lungs. If he weighed more than 15 pounds, somebody would be hurt,
because while Gracie bites to defend, he is just plain durned mean.
Yesterday he decided my foot pedal was his private property and he
growled/shrieked/bit at me every time I put my foot down there. We had a bit
of a discussion about that and cleared up what belongs to me (everything)
and what belongs to him (a chewy toy).

Nasty, too. Will look me right in the eye and pee on something, double dog
dare me to do anything about it.

"Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson@snappydsl.net> wrote in message
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>I would never want to be without a good-sized dog. We have had Dobermans
>for years, and have a Dobey and a Saluki now. No one can get close to the
>house without them letting us know, and the noise they make would probably
>send them somewhere else!
>
> Barb C.
> "RaeMorrill" <RaeMorrill@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:LCD5e.69$BJ3.6@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
>

RaeMorrill

2005-04-12, 11:15 am

LOL. I think I'd have me a shih tzu hat about now.

blupencl@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> I have Gracie still (well I don't own her but she's lived with me the
> majority of her life, for one reason or another). 80# weimaraner with a bark
> that will make your hair stand on end. She bites, too, she ain't foolin'.
>
> But the real "alarm system" is this stupid shih tzu who shrieks at the top
> of his lungs. If he weighed more than 15 pounds, somebody would be hurt,
> because while Gracie bites to defend, he is just plain durned mean.
> Yesterday he decided my foot pedal was his private property and he
> growled/shrieked/bit at me every time I put my foot down there. We had a bit
> of a discussion about that and cleared up what belongs to me (everything)
> and what belongs to him (a chewy toy).
>
> Nasty, too. Will look me right in the eye and pee on something, double dog
> dare me to do anything about it.
>
> "Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson@snappydsl.net> wrote in message
> news:Y4idnb1R-YTb2MrfRVn-3w@snappydsl.net...
>
>
>

Barbara Carlson

2005-04-12, 11:15 am

It's the dobey of mine everyone respects, but the Saluki is the better watch
dog and the fiercest bark, and I am sure would defend me in no uncertain
terms. The dobey loves everyone and would show the thief where the good
stuff was (if there were any). But, everyone thinks dobeys are evil!
Nobody knows what to think of the Saluki, because most people have never
seen one!

Barb C.
<blupencl@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:arQ5e.366$m84.191@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>I have Gracie still (well I don't own her but she's lived with me the
>majority of her life, for one reason or another). 80# weimaraner with a
>bark that will make your hair stand on end. She bites, too, she ain't
>foolin'.
>
> But the real "alarm system" is this stupid shih tzu who shrieks at the top
> of his lungs. If he weighed more than 15 pounds, somebody would be hurt,
> because while Gracie bites to defend, he is just plain durned mean.
> Yesterday he decided my foot pedal was his private property and he
> growled/shrieked/bit at me every time I put my foot down there. We had a
> bit of a discussion about that and cleared up what belongs to me
> (everything) and what belongs to him (a chewy toy).
>
> Nasty, too. Will look me right in the eye and pee on something, double dog
> dare me to do anything about it.
>
> "Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson@snappydsl.net> wrote in message
> news:Y4idnb1R-YTb2MrfRVn-3w@snappydsl.net...
>
>

Anne Vasquez

2005-04-12, 11:15 am

LOL - and I thought my dogs were ornery! I love your descriptions, Becky!

Anne

blupencl@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> I have Gracie still (well I don't own her but she's lived with me the
> majority of her life, for one reason or another). 80# weimaraner with a bark
> that will make your hair stand on end. She bites, too, she ain't foolin'.
>
> But the real "alarm system" is this stupid shih tzu who shrieks at the top
> of his lungs. If he weighed more than 15 pounds, somebody would be hurt,
> because while Gracie bites to defend, he is just plain durned mean.
> Yesterday he decided my foot pedal was his private property and he
> growled/shrieked/bit at me every time I put my foot down there. We had a bit
> of a discussion about that and cleared up what belongs to me (everything)
> and what belongs to him (a chewy toy).
>
> Nasty, too. Will look me right in the eye and pee on something, double dog
> dare me to do anything about it.

Laura Gibson

2005-04-12, 11:15 am

Years ago we lived in a house where the guy next door had two dobeys. He had
a raised ranch home and they would be out on the deck all day, barking and
barking fiercely after every real or perceived threat. Foaming at the mouth,
etc. When we were showing the house to prospective buyers, he offered to put
the dogs in. We said no thanks as we didn't want to deceive anybody. The
guy was a jerk. The dogs were also awful. He made them that way. I have
several friends who have them, and they are great dogs and well-mannered.
Unfortunately, the first impression still sticks in my mind.

Laura

--

"Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson@snappydsl.net> wrote in message
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> It's the dobey of mine everyone respects, but the Saluki is the better
watch
> dog and the fiercest bark, and I am sure would defend me in no uncertain
> terms. The dobey loves everyone and would show the thief where the good
> stuff was (if there were any). But, everyone thinks dobeys are evil!
> Nobody knows what to think of the Saluki, because most people have never
> seen one!
>
> Barb C.
> <blupencl@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Anne Vasquez

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

And I believe it was German Shepherds in the 70s. I really believe it
all depends on how they're raised, although breeding plays a part as
well. I've never met a mean pit bull, despite their reputation. When
my girls were little, my friend had a pit that we could let babysit my
kids and hers. They climbed all over her, pulled ears and tail, etc.,
and she'd just lay there and look at us like, "Oh, please save me!"
She'd also let us know if one of them wandered off. That was one of the
most terrific creatures I've ever known.

Anne

Bambi C. wrote:

> It's a crime (or should be) when people train dogs to be so hateful.
> Dobermans were the scary dogs of the 80s, then Rotweillers in the 90s, and
> now it's pit bulls.
>
> I had a roommate many years ago who had a female Doberman who was the
> sweetest dog. She was well over 100 lbs., and thought she was a lap dog! I
> can still see her trying to get herself on my lap (my lap was much smaller
> in those days) and looking up at me with that dopey, I-love-you look on her
> face.
>
> Bambi C.

Judity

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

((and
now it's pit bulls.))

I have some good memories of a neighbor's pit bulls. Years ago he got one as
a puppy, and it used to come into my yard and wrestle with a kitten I had.
Time went by, and the puppy grew in size quickly while the kitten grew more
slowly. Still they wrestled, but now the puppy needed only to put one paw
on the kitten to squash it to the ground with all of its four legs
outstretched. This pit bull never once hurt the kitten as they grew to full
size as dog and cat.

My neighbor has had other dogs since including more pit bulls, but that one
was always my favorite.

Judity

Eliyahu Rooff

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

<blupencl@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:arQ5e.366$m84.191@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
> I have Gracie still (well I don't own her but she's lived with me the
> majority of her life, for one reason or another). 80# weimaraner with
a bark
> that will make your hair stand on end. She bites, too, she ain't
foolin'.
>
> But the real "alarm system" is this stupid shih tzu who shrieks at the
top
> of his lungs. If he weighed more than 15 pounds, somebody would be
hurt,
> because while Gracie bites to defend, he is just plain durned mean.
> Yesterday he decided my foot pedal was his private property and he
> growled/shrieked/bit at me every time I put my foot down there. We had
a bit
> of a discussion about that and cleared up what belongs to me
(everything)
> and what belongs to him (a chewy toy).
>
> Nasty, too. Will look me right in the eye and pee on something, double
dog
> dare me to do anything about it.
>
And you are keeping him because... ?

Eliyahu

Neal

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

That is a neat story!

Neal

Judity wrote:
> ((and
> now it's pit bulls.))
>
> I have some good memories of a neighbor's pit bulls. Years ago he got one as
> a puppy, and it used to come into my yard and wrestle with a kitten I had.
> Time went by, and the puppy grew in size quickly while the kitten grew more
> slowly. Still they wrestled, but now the puppy needed only to put one paw
> on the kitten to squash it to the ground with all of its four legs
> outstretched. This pit bull never once hurt the kitten as they grew to full
> size as dog and cat.
>
> My neighbor has had other dogs since including more pit bulls, but that one
> was always my favorite.
>
> Judity
>
>

Anne Vasquez

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

That was the only problem with my friend's pit bull. She was so sweet,
and she just LOVED kitties, but she was so big and clumsy, she killed a
kitten by plonking one of her big paws down on it when they were
playing. That kitty was her good buddy, and it was so sad! :-(

Anne

Judity wrote:

> ((and
> now it's pit bulls.))
>
> I have some good memories of a neighbor's pit bulls. Years ago he got one as
> a puppy, and it used to come into my yard and wrestle with a kitten I had.
> Time went by, and the puppy grew in size quickly while the kitten grew more
> slowly. Still they wrestled, but now the puppy needed only to put one paw
> on the kitten to squash it to the ground with all of its four legs
> outstretched. This pit bull never once hurt the kitten as they grew to full
> size as dog and cat.
>
> My neighbor has had other dogs since including more pit bulls, but that one
> was always my favorite.
>
> Judity
>
>

Anne Vasquez

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

I wonder what it is that dogs see when they see someone on a bicycle?
They almost invariably freak out, and I can only figure that they
perceive something threatening.

Anne

Eliyahu Rooff wrote:

> I'll admit to having a bias against Dobermans, but I also still have
> scars on my left leg from an unprovoked attack by one when I rode my
> bicycle past "his" yard.
>
> Eliyahu

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

"Eliyahu Rooff" <lrooff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> And you are keeping him because... ?
>
> Eliyahu
>

Because he belongs to my son, who also lives here, and whose company I enjoy
too much to murder his dog, though I have thought about it.

RaeMorrill

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

I couldn't tolerate that racket all the time from my own dog!

Laura Gibson wrote:
> Years ago we lived in a house where the guy next door had two dobeys. He had
> a raised ranch home and they would be out on the deck all day, barking and
> barking fiercely after every real or perceived threat. Foaming at the mouth,
> etc. When we were showing the house to prospective buyers, he offered to put
> the dogs in. We said no thanks as we didn't want to deceive anybody. The
> guy was a jerk. The dogs were also awful. He made them that way. I have
> several friends who have them, and they are great dogs and well-mannered.
> Unfortunately, the first impression still sticks in my mind.
>
> Laura
>

RaeMorrill

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

Thing is how in the world can any other person know how threatened
another felt under another situation. If I wake up in the middle of the
night with a stranger in my room, armed or not, I'm going to be scared
shitless and if I shoot him dead there should be no question about it

Eliyahu Rooff wrote:
> "Bob" <nottooslow@forevermail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1cbe5b885f978fdb98969b@news-server.satx.rr.com...
>
>
> While I can't speak for all states, the law in Washington has long been
> that you do not have a duty to retreat when threatened. In fact, this
> is one of the jury instructions we use when claiming self-defense for a
> client. The issue in Florida, now, is how much of a threat one must
> feel before using lethal force. From what I see in the article, there's
> quite a bit of ambiguity written into the new law, and it'll allow a
> great deal of subjectivity in deciding what's appropriate and what
> isn't.
>
> eliyahu
>
>

kathycarp

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

<figuring out which animal costume to wear when I show up at Judity's front
door> <grin>

--
Kathy
www.ambergriscaye.com/villadelsol
"Judity" <Judity01@aol.com> wrote in message
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> ((Sounds like you have an open-door policy, Judity! <G> ))
>
> Anne, you wouldn't believe all the animals I've had come visiting over the
> years. There once was a peacock in my front yard circled by my cats as
> they wondered what new meal I was providing them. Another time they had a
> poor shivering rottweiler trapped in my well shed. The owner was
> embarrassed for this outnumbered dog as it slunk out with its tail tucked
> underneath amidst what I swear were laughing cats. At least they left
> Henry the goat alone when he came over to eat the persimmons next to my
> driveway.
>
> But I do miss the baby possums running around my home.
>
> Judity
>
>

Judity

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

((<figuring out which animal costume to wear when I show up at Judity's
front
door> <grin> ))

I'm easy; any will do. (trying to picture Kathy dressed as a baby bear)

Judity

Judity

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

((No more baby possums? I thought you had a possum family for life! ))

I wish! No, since I got Nellie, the cat door had to be closed off since she
shouldn't go outside. She only has one eye, and it's too dangerous for her,
although she did run amok outside for those three weeks I was away from home
in 2003.

Judity

RaeMorrill

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

Just be sure you like dog biscuits or Cheet-Os

kathycarp wrote:
> <figuring out which animal costume to wear when I show up at Judity's front
> door> <grin>
>

kathycarp

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

oh.... I love Cheetos. I'd better get an oversize bear costume. LOL

--
Kathy
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> Just be sure you like dog biscuits or Cheet-Os
>
>
> kathycarp wrote:

Anne Vasquez

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

I'm surprised you didn't have possums scratching at your door!

Anne

Judity wrote:
>
>
> I wish! No, since I got Nellie, the cat door had to be closed off since she
> shouldn't go outside. She only has one eye, and it's too dangerous for her,
> although she did run amok outside for those three weeks I was away from home
> in 2003.
>
> Judity
>
>

Judity

2005-04-12, 11:16 am

((Just be sure you like dog biscuits or Cheet-Os ))

Not true, Rae, not entirely true. Last night along with the above I also
put out sliced raw hot dogs and cooked pizza rolls for whatever animal
wanted them. All had been gobbled up when I checked this morning.

Judity

Barbara Carlson

2005-04-13, 4:23 pm

The worst thing that can happen to a breed of dogs is to become the most
popular, because then every idiot starts breeding them without the knowledge
or skill to know what they are doing. The lesser known breeds usually have
breeders who are devoted to that breed because their traits appeal to them
and they tend to be more knowledgeable and concerned in retaining the breed
characteristics they found so appealing! If you want one of the more
popular breeds, you have to be careful to find the right breeder and the
right dog!

We've owned several German Shepherds, and several Dobermans over the years
and we've never had any but kind loving dogs--not one of which was really
even a good watch dog--but if you don't tell people they won't know. When
people ask if they are okay we always reply, "Oh, they're fine as long as
we're home." If we weren't home they'd probably be glad to see anyone who
would give them attention and welcome them, but we don't tell people that.

Barb C.
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> "Bambi C." <blcc324@epix.net> wrote here for all to
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>
>
> We had pit bulls the entire time I was growing up. They undoubtedly were
> the sweetest dogs I've ever known. When it came time for my DH to get a
> dog he really wanted a shepherd and he is one of the kindest, most eager
> to
> please and gentle dogs out there. I have known plenty of bad rotties but
> my impression is that (around here anyway) they were in such demand and
> people started inbreeding them and then they started getting to be bad
> eggs. If you get one from a reputable rottie breeder instead of from
> someone selling them in the paper, they seem to have better temperments
> (IMO and IME). I've never been a bit fan of a doberman only because my
> uncle used to have one that scared me to death - for no other reason than
> he just "looked mean".

Donna

2005-04-13, 4:23 pm

"Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson@snappydsl.net> wrote in
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> We've owned several German Shepherds, and several Dobermans over the
> years and we've never had any but kind loving dogs--not one of which
> was really even a good watch dog--but if you don't tell people they
> won't know

I'm a big German Shepherd fan. I have a 3-year-old now who is a huge
hearted critter and would lick you to death if you broke in, but we also
don't tell people that. They think she's a guard dog because of her size,
the fact that K9 crews use them a lot, and her breed's former reputation. I
don't think people look at them as mean as much as they did when I was a
kid.

She's our third and will not be our last. We will always have one or two
around. Heck, I even take her to the theater with me when I'm there alone.

Here she be - http://www.croakerwoods.com/06012003.jpg

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Donna

Eliyahu Rooff

2005-04-13, 4:23 pm

I'll admit to having a bias against Dobermans, but I also still have
scars on my left leg from an unprovoked attack by one when I rode my
bicycle past "his" yard.

Eliyahu

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> It's a crime (or should be) when people train dogs to be so hateful.
> Dobermans were the scary dogs of the 80s, then Rotweillers in the 90s,
and
> now it's pit bulls.
>
> I had a roommate many years ago who had a female Doberman who was the
> sweetest dog. She was well over 100 lbs., and thought she was a lap
dog! I
> can still see her trying to get herself on my lap (my lap was much
smaller
> in those days) and looking up at me with that dopey, I-love-you look
on her
> face.
>
> Bambi C.
>
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RaeMorrill

2005-04-14, 8:30 am

LOL. I don't think my DH would come sneaking in in the middle of the
night. It would be extremely rare for him to come home in the middle of
a midnight shift, and if he is going to he would let me know. It might
take me a minute or two to decide who the intruder in the bedroom was,
but I think the German shepherd sleeping next to me would figure it out
fast. Then poor them.

Bob wrote:
> In article <qDn5e.874$YS1.766@fe02.lga>, lrooff1@hotmail.com says...
>
>
> Fortunately, those stories are a very small minority of the cases where
> someone successfully defends themself with a firearm in their own home.
>
> An ex-LEO acquaintance of mine told his daughter, "If you come home
> late at night, make noise like you live here."
>
> Bob/Texas

Donna

2005-04-17, 6:16 pm

Donna

2005-04-17, 6:16 pm

Anne Vasquez

2005-04-17, 6:16 pm

Anne Vasquez

2005-04-17, 6:16 pm

Judity

2005-04-17, 6:16 pm

Judity

2005-04-17, 6:16 pm

Jeannie Wilson

2005-04-17, 6:16 pm

Anne Vasquez <annevasquez@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote here for all to
seenews:%XU5e.180$gB4.72@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com:

> I wonder what it is that dogs see when they see someone on a bicycle?
> They almost invariably freak out, and I can only figure that they
> perceive something threatening.
>

My neighbors rottie came after me one day when I was roller blading. He
hated the wheels and was trying to get them instead of me but I fell when
he tried to liberate my feet from that terrible thing with wheels and he
got upset and it was a crazy situation.

Jeannie Wilson

2005-04-17, 6:16 pm

Judity

2005-04-17, 6:16 pm

((I'm a big German Shepherd fan. ))

I've never lived with a dog, but when I moved here in 1981, I was greeted by
many neighborhood dogs. One was a HUGE German Shepherd who would wander
into my side yard and stand silently behind me until I noticed him. First
time I'll admit he did scare me a bit, but he just stood there quietly
staring at me waiting for introductions. He got a nickname from me of Sweet
Puppy.

Judity

Judity

2005-04-17, 6:16 pm

kathycarp

2005-04-19, 10:10 am

Judity

2005-04-19, 10:10 am

((<figuring out which animal costume to wear when I show up at Judity's
front
door> <grin> ))

I'm easy; any will do. (trying to picture Kathy dressed as a baby bear)

Judity

Judity

2005-04-19, 10:10 am

Judity

2005-04-19, 10:10 am