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I am being threatened to be sued for the BLOG site

VHOne

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

I was approached by an MTSO today accusing me of owning and being in cahoots
with whoever owns this site, tells me IP numbers do not lie! Well, guess
what...whoever owns this site. I would like opinions please on this kind of
behavior.

Can someone please tell me how anyone would come to this conclusion when I have
only peaked at the site several times.

Donna

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

vhone@aol.comnotrash (VHOne) wrote in
news:20040818100957.12159.00003646@mb-m01.aol.com:

> I was approached by an MTSO today accusing me of owning and being in
> cahoots with whoever owns this site, tells me IP numbers do not lie!
> Well, guess what...whoever owns this site. I would like opinions
> please on this kind of behavior.
>
> Can someone please tell me how anyone would come to this conclusion
> when I have only peaked at the site several times.
>

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Bloggers Gain Libel Protection

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02:00 AM Jun. 30, 2003 PT

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled last Tuesday that Web loggers,
website operators and e-mail list editors can't be held responsible for
libel for information they republish, extending crucial First Amendment
protections to do-it-yourself online publishers.

Online free speech advocates praised the decision as a victory. The
ruling effectively differentiates conventional news media, which can be
sued relatively easily for libel, from certain forms of online
communication such as moderated e-mail lists. One implication is that DIY
publishers like bloggers cannot be sued as easily.

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Three months later, Batzel learned of the post. She contacted Cremers to
deny both the stolen art and Nazi ancestry allegations. She also said
Smith's claims were motivated by financial disputes over contracting
work.

Smith said he had no idea Cremers would publish a private e-mail on the
list or on the Web.

Batzel sued Smith, Cremers and the Museum Security Network for defamation
and won. Cremers appealed.

The appeals court questioned whether Cremers' minor edits to Smith's e-
mail altered it so much that the post became a new piece of expression,
and decided it had not. But because Smith claims he didn't know the e-
mail would be published, the court also questioned whether the immunity
provision of the Act applied, and passed the case back to the district
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"Some weblogs are interesting mixes of original and forwarded content, so
this issue may come up again in the courts," EFF's Cohn said. "Where that
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Ellen Batzel says the case changed her life.

"This was a small, North Carolina mountain town -- I talked to the
(district attorney) and he said 'Get a dog, get a gun, get a security
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been hurt in my professional reputation and in my private life.

"I know what free speech is, and I support it, but this is about invasion
of privacy and my civil liberty. Every time I meet someone now, I have to
say, 'Hi, I'm not Himmler's granddaughter."

Attorney Howard Fredman, who represented Batzel in the case, said the
next legal steps could include a rehearing before the appeals court, or
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Jeannie H Wilson

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

>tells me IP numbers do not lie!

Considering anyone with AOL can use any access number throughout the US and
whatnot, how could they possibly "prove" it was you? Seems like a mighty
stretch and someone trying to call your "bluff". I know this is a hassle and
really a pain, but welcome them to sue you - you can prove it isn't you and
their money will be wasted. Heck, threaten to sue them for harrassment or
whatnot if they continue.

RaeMorrill

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

>I was approached by an MTSO today accusing me of owning and being in cahoots
>with whoever owns this site, tells me IP numbers do not lie! Well,

What, that because you have visited the site, that means your in cahoots. I
suppose they can see the IP address for posts, but it sure sounds like all said
board owner needed to know was that you knew each other. Then she could cause
further trouble by trying to turn friends against each other. That's the worst
poison a troll has.

Rae Morrill in Maine
"Ya can't get theyuh from heeah"
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Jeannie H Wilson

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

>suppose they can see the IP address for posts, but it sure sounds like all
>said
>board owner needed to know was that you knew each other. Then she could cause
>further trouble by trying to turn friends against each other. That's the
>worst
>poison a troll has.

How does the board owner have any control of what anyone else thinks? To me,
personally, that site is no different than this group, except it is owned by
someone.

Vickie - I sent you quite a few links regarding the IP address issue.
According to the links, they would have to accuse you of being just about
everyone under the sun who had their posts/emails relayed through that AOL IP
address. Wow - you have been busy (LOL)

RaeMorrill

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

>Considering anyone with AOL can use any access number throughout the US and
>whatnot, how could they possibly "prove" it was you? Seems like a mighty

Not when you're posting through a cable connection.

Rae Morrill in Maine
"Ya can't get theyuh from heeah"
_______________________________
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RaeMorrill

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

That's pretty scary. So they want to libel you, they just have to go to another
computer and post to their own website, yet protected by free speech. If they
are not liable, they should they not be required to turn over their records to
identify the person responsible? As this article pointed out, this kind of
thing can ruin lives. I'm sure even those who stand here and defend this would
feel differently if they were told "buy a dog, get a gun, or move."

Rae Morrill in Maine
"Ya can't get theyuh from heeah"
_______________________________
Spam mailers WILL be reported to their respective postmasters and AOL TOSSPAM!

JulieW8

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

On 18 Aug 2004 14:09:57 GMT, vhone@aol.comnotrash (VHOne) wrote:

>I was approached by an MTSO today accusing me of owning and being in cahoots
>with whoever owns this site, tells me IP numbers do not lie! Well, guess
>what...whoever owns this site. I would like opinions please on this kind of
>behavior.
>
>Can someone please tell me how anyone would come to this conclusion when I have
>only peaked at the site several times.

Gosh, I usually immediately recognize fellow rabble rousers. Maybe I'm
way off base - but you weren't ever in my radar as being one. ;-)

Unless you're deep under cover. Really deep. Way down deep.

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Jeannie H Wilson

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

>Not when you're posting through a cable connection.
>

Of course, then any idiot could do a google search on the specific IP address.
You would think that would be done before making accusations that you cannot
back up.

Jeannie H Wilson

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

>I'm sure even those who stand here and defend this would
>feel differently if they were told "buy a dog, get a gun, or move."

I must have missed something.

LizzieB

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

VHOne wrote:

> I was approached by an MTSO today accusing me of owning and being in cahoots
> with whoever owns this site, tells me IP numbers do not lie! Well, guess
> what...whoever owns this site. I would like opinions please on this kind of
> behavior.
>
> Can someone please tell me how anyone would come to this conclusion when I have
> only peaked at the site several times.

Vickie, take a deep breath. Then, when you're done with that, tell them
that when they're feeling froggy, they can go ahead and jump.

LizzieB.

RaeMorrill

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

>I'm sure even those who stand here and defend this would
>
>I must have missed something.
>
>

Apparently you didn't read the article link.

Rae Morrill in Maine
"Ya can't get theyuh from heeah"
_______________________________
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Gdubson

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

>>I was approached by an MTSO today accusing me of owning and being in cahoots[vbcol=seagreen]

Sorry, this is not the original quote, but it sounds as though the MTSO does
not have enough to do with her/his time.

Gisele

Jeannie H Wilson

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

>>I must have missed something.
>
>Apparently you didn't read the article link.

Apparently not and I didn't see it in your post to know what you were referring
to. AOL's been screwing up posts for a good while now and they are coming up
out of order, up again after being read, etc.

Jeannie H Wilson

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

I certainly hope the person doing the accusing will do a bit more research and
then apologize to Vickie for making such a hasty and unproven accusation.

JulieW8

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

On 18 Aug 2004 15:14:53 GMT, gdubson@aol.comnospam (Gdubson) wrote:

>
>Sorry, this is not the original quote, but it sounds as though the MTSO does
>not have enough to do with her/his time.
>
>Gisele

I agree. I must be doing something wrong. I don't have time to monitor
all the forums and respond and send e-mail.

What are we missing, Gisele? :P

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Gdubson

2004-08-18, 11:09 am

>I agree. I must be doing something wrong. I don't have time to monitor
>all the forums and respond and send e-mail.
>
>What are we missing, Gisele? :P

We are missing the feeling that what happens in cyberspace matters a fig.

My kitchen remodel was done in March, and I am just now getting around to doing
the painting. Having a whale of time moving around the kitchen while listening
to a 1967 concert of Bobby Darin at the London Palladium. Oh baby!

Gisele

montynaa@hotmail.com

2004-08-18, 7:11 pm

I hate missing things. I really don't know what is going on now, but
there is a strange sense of deja vu. Seems to me I recieved similar
threats from remarkably similar people over sharing my own personal
opinions on mt-thoughts.

I was under the impression that lessons had been learned that hissy
fits and dishonesty were not the most professional way to handle
business ventures.

JulieW8

2004-08-18, 7:11 pm

On 18 Aug 2004 10:53:17 -0700, montynaa@hotmail.com wrote:

>I hate missing things. I really don't know what is going on now, but
>there is a strange sense of deja vu. Seems to me I recieved similar
>threats from remarkably similar people over sharing my own personal
>opinions on mt-thoughts.
>
>I was under the impression that lessons had been learned that hissy
>fits and dishonesty were not the most professional way to handle
>business ventures.

They're called cyberbullies.

This must be something else I'm missing. In addition to not knowing
how these people can run a TSO and have so much time on their hands, I
also don't know why they seem to have attorneys at their beck and
call. Do they have this much trouble with clients, MTs and contracts?

I guess I went to a different MTSO school, too. :P

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Mike DeTuri

2004-08-18, 7:11 pm

Anyone who has ever been an administrator for a busy site would know
that IP addresses are a bad way to ID someone. Some AOL IP addresses
are common among multiple users from different regions. It's as if AOL
uses a proxy and many people connect to the web through that proxy. So
you might appear to be using the same computer/IP address of the site
owner but in reality you aren't. You just happen to share the same ISP
and the ISP chooses to route you through the same computer/IP address
when you connect to the Internet.

A site admin or MTSO with some Internet experience should know this
stuff and know better than to accuse people of wrongdoing without some
real proof.

Mike DeTuri
http://www.deturi.com

VHOne wrote:
> I was approached by an MTSO today accusing me of owning and being in cahoots
> with whoever owns this site, tells me IP numbers do not lie! Well, guess
> what...whoever owns this site. I would like opinions please on this kind of
> behavior.
>
> Can someone please tell me how anyone would come to this conclusion when I have
> only peaked at the site several times.

Mike DeTuri

2004-08-18, 7:11 pm

I guess I need to read all the new posts before I post. I'm glad that
apologies were made and names were cleared. But I'm sad that
emptystars.com was taken down. That was a pretty funny site. It wasn't
Da Nose, but it was updated a lot more and still very entertaining.

Mike DeTuri
http://www.deturi.com

Mike DeTuri wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Anyone who has ever been an administrator for a busy site would know
> that IP addresses are a bad way to ID someone. Some AOL IP addresses
> are common among multiple users from different regions. It's as if AOL
> uses a proxy and many people connect to the web through that proxy. So
> you might appear to be using the same computer/IP address of the site
> owner but in reality you aren't. You just happen to share the same ISP
> and the ISP chooses to route you through the same computer/IP address
> when you connect to the Internet.
>
> A site admin or MTSO with some Internet experience should know this
> stuff and know better than to accuse people of wrongdoing without some
> real proof.
>
> Mike DeTuri
> http://www.deturi.com
>
>
> VHOne wrote:
>

EmptyStarsDotCom

2004-08-18, 7:11 pm

>But I'm sad that
>emptystars.com was taken down. That was a pretty funny site. It wasn't
>Da Nose, but it was updated a lot more and still very entertaining.

Da Nose is an original. As for the site coming down, it was a matter of
compromising principles, if us trolls can have those. It was either edit and
take down posts which we said we would not do, or shut it down completely. We
may need to revamp and reup, but for now, it's down.

There's no way that an innocent bystander should have been hit by a
cyberdriveby, but there was one. For enabling that, we apologize. Perhaps AOL
assigns ports/IPs and the bystander and us share the same numbers. Regardless,
the damage has been done and undone and hiatus has been called.

We give the resolution of this problem one eh and a thumb neutral.

Looking before leaping is the phrase of the day in our opinion.

http://www.emptystars.com
They're Stars and They're Empty

SANDITYPES

2004-08-18, 7:11 pm

>Da Nose is an original. As for the site coming down, it was a matter of
>compromising principles, if us trolls can have those. It was either edit and
>take down posts which we said we would not do, or shut it down completely.

Why? I thought it was kind of a fun site, and I don't go to very many. So
people say nasty things. Big deal - they do that here. If someone was
accusing Vickie of being the owner, that could have been cleared up with an
announcement on the home page. Of course, better yet, you could just identify
yourself and then the whole troll/anonymous thing goes out the window, and
you're left with just the fun site.

Sandi

Steevo@my-deja.com

2004-08-18, 10:09 pm

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:49:09 -0700, Mike DeTuri <seemy@webpage.com>
wrote:

>I guess I need to read all the new posts before I post. I'm glad that
>apologies were made and names were cleared. But I'm sad that
>emptystars.com was taken down. That was a pretty funny site. It wasn't
>Da Nose, but it was updated a lot more and still very entertaining.
Me too.
Surprising that someone who went to all the trouble to put that up,
register the site anonymously, post anonymously to drive traffic, etc.
would cave so fast.

Bam

2004-08-18, 10:09 pm

Emptystarsdotcom, if we whine a lot, will you reconsider???

"SANDITYPES" <sanditypes@aol.comshazbot> wrote in message
news:20040818200550.25456.00003399@mb-m29.aol.com...
and[vbcol=seagreen]
completely.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Why? I thought it was kind of a fun site, and I don't go to very many.
So
> people say nasty things. Big deal - they do that here. If someone was
> accusing Vickie of being the owner, that could have been cleared up with
an
> announcement on the home page. Of course, better yet, you could just
identify
> yourself and then the whole troll/anonymous thing goes out the window, and
> you're left with just the fun site.
>
> Sandi

Bam

2004-08-18, 10:09 pm

Well, IMO, there's caving and then there's caving. When the bitching starts
sometimes it's just easier to say F-it. Hopefully, tomorrow will be a new
day and ESDC will bring back the fun.

"Steevo@my-deja.com" <steevo@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:f4s7i0tt9eqtdsn06s5gm4igkct0domhot@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:49:09 -0700, Mike DeTuri <seemy@webpage.com>
> wrote:
>
> Me too.
> Surprising that someone who went to all the trouble to put that up,
> register the site anonymously, post anonymously to drive traffic, etc.
> would cave so fast.

LizzieB

2004-08-18, 10:09 pm

Bam wrote:

> Emptystarsdotcom, if we whine a lot, will you reconsider???

If we give you cheese to go with our whine, would you pretty pleeeeze
with sugar on top????

LizzieB

2004-08-18, 10:09 pm

Steevo@my-deja.com wrote:

> Surprising that someone who went to all the trouble to put that up,
> register the site anonymously, post anonymously to drive traffic, etc.
> would cave so fast.

I actually don't think it was a matter of "caving," as feeling a tad
guilty (unreasonably so, might I add) for having been an instrument that
hurt a friend's feelings.

We women are squishy like that, ya know.

LizzieB.

Jay Vance

2004-08-18, 10:09 pm

> It was either edit and
>take down posts which we said we would not do, or shut it down completely.

Just my 2 cents' worth, but why not just blog and not allow posts or comments?
You had some funny stuff, that's what people were going there for. I say do
your shtick. It's your microphone, you don't have to let anyone else use it.
Let 'em get their own!

Jay

"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are." - Anais Nin

RaeMorrill

2004-08-18, 10:09 pm

>from different regions. It's as if AOL
>uses a proxy and many people connect to the web through that proxy. So

A lot of that is over my head, but I do know in past I've learned that someone
posting from east side of country shared much, if not the same AOL path as
someone on the west side. There was no way to ID anyone.

Rae Morrill in Maine
"Ya can't get theyuh from heeah"
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RaeMorrill

2004-08-18, 10:09 pm

>That was a pretty funny site. It wasn't
>
>Da Nose is an original. As for th

I don't find that funny, either. Must be my sense of humor

Rae Morrill in Maine
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RaeMorrill

2004-08-18, 10:09 pm

>Emptystarsdotcom, if we whine a lot, will you reconsider???
>
>

I hope so, so she can be nailed

Rae Morrill in Maine
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RaeMorrill

2004-08-18, 10:09 pm

>ust my 2 cents' worth, but why not just blog and not allow posts or comments?
>
>You had some funny s

Well, I guess that proves it Jay. I'm frankly beyond shocked now that someone
citing your morals would think any site that mocks anyone else for any reason
is funny. Silly me.

Rae Morrill in Maine
"Ya can't get theyuh from heeah"
_______________________________
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RaeMorrill

2004-08-18, 10:09 pm

>Surprising that someone who went to all the trouble to put that up,
>register the site anonymously, post anonymously to drive traffic, etc.
>would cave so fast.
>

Yeah, isn't it! Double ball-less. Can't even take heat when it is directed at
someone anonymous - well unless too many here know the real ID and it was
starting to hurt people they didn't mean to?

Rae Morrill in Maine
"Ya can't get theyuh from heeah"
_______________________________
Spam mailers WILL be reported to their respective postmasters and AOL TOSSPAM!

Gdubson

2004-08-18, 10:09 pm

>
>
>I don't find that funny, either. Must be my sense of humor
>
>Rae Morrill in Maine

You don't think Da Nose is funny? I think it's hysterical. Must be my sense
of humor.

Gisele

Steevo@my-deja.com

2004-08-19, 2:09 am

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:43:02 -0500, LizzieB
<blahblah@blahblahblah.com> wrote:

>I actually don't think it was a matter of "caving," as feeling a tad
>guilty (unreasonably so, might I add) for having been an instrument that
>hurt a friend's feelings.
Yeah, I would have thought that was hilarious. Sounds like a great
case for malicious prosecution. Sue them, see if you can make it
stick. But you can't.
>
>We women are squishy like that, ya know.
Heh. Not the ones around here so much! This is a tough room or didn't
you notice?

Steevo@my-deja.com

2004-08-19, 2:09 am

On 19 Aug 2004 02:05:45 GMT, raemorrill@aol.com.com (RaeMorrill)
wrote:
>
>A lot of that is over my head, but I do know in past I've learned that someone
>posting from east side of country shared much, if not the same AOL path as
>someone on the west side. There was no way to ID anyone.

I discussed that with them at AOL. It's a little too anon for usenet.

We are used to a good nntp posting host in your post. If you want to
be anon there are procedures but an AOL acct should probably not be
one of them.

One thing I did notice in my Gmail account. No way to trace the
sender if sent through Gmail. Interesting. No IP addresses there.
Wonder how long that will last? Not too long I would guess.

LizzieB

2004-08-19, 2:09 am

Steevo@my-deja.com wrote:

>
> Heh. Not the ones around here so much! This is a tough room or didn't
> you notice?

Well, not so tough that the site didn't stay up even though the whole
thing was misplaced blame.

I thought it was hysterical and I'd like to see it back up. I've
offered cheese with Bam's whine as bribe. Maybe we need to throw in a
holy cow or something.

LizzieB.

Jeannie H Wilson

2004-08-19, 7:09 am

>Yeah, isn't it! Double ball-less. Can't even take heat when it is directed at
>someone anonymous - well unless too many here know the real ID and it was
>starting to hurt people they didn't mean to?
>

So, Rae, they are double ball-less when they close it down because an innocent
bystander got hurt and they are wrong for keeping it up and allowing such a
thing to happen. What do you propose they do?

Liz

2004-08-19, 11:09 am

RATZ!!! I loved EmptyStarsDotCom!!! Any chance you'll reconsider???

"EmptyStarsDotCom" <emptystarsdotcom@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Da Nose is an original. As for the site coming down, it was a matter of
> compromising principles, if us trolls can have those. It was either edit
and
> take down posts which we said we would not do, or shut it down completely.
We
> may need to revamp and reup, but for now, it's down.
>
> There's no way that an innocent bystander should have been hit by a
> cyberdriveby, but there was one. For enabling that, we apologize. Perhaps
AOL
> assigns ports/IPs and the bystander and us share the same numbers.
Regardless,
> the damage has been done and undone and hiatus has been called.
>
> We give the resolution of this problem one eh and a thumb neutral.
>
> Looking before leaping is the phrase of the day in our opinion.
>
> http://www.emptystars.com
> They're Stars and They're Empty

Liz

2004-08-19, 11:09 am

"Gdubson" <gdubson@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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>
> You don't think Da Nose is funny? I think it's hysterical. Must be my
sense
> of humor.
>
> Gisele

IMOHO, anyone who doesn't find Da Nose just doesn't HAVE a sense of humor!!

Liz

Jay Vance

2004-08-19, 11:09 am

>Well, I guess that proves it Jay.

What does it prove, I don't understand?

>I'm frankly beyond shocked now that someone
>citing your morals would think any site that mocks anyone else for any reason
>is funny. Silly me.

Rae, I didn't read the comments or posts, whatever you want to call them, which
evidently caused all the brouhaha. I mainly just read the blog entries from
the site owner, which I thought were pretty funny and not malicious or mean at
all. Maybe I have a warped sense of humor, but I've always enjoyed satire,
even when I was the target, a la Da Nose!

If there were posts or comments that made untrue allegations or were
mean-spirited, I didn't see them, and obviously I wouldn't condone that sort of
thing--any more than I would condone that here in SMT. But just because there
are people here in SMT who sometimes say nasty, mean, and vicious things, that
doesn't mean that we should all boycott SMT, does it? By the same token, just
because some individual used another forum to say something untrue or nasty
doesn't mean that the FORUM or the FORUM OWNER are somehow to blame for that.

Jay Vance, CMT
Medical Language Specialist
www.yes2mls.org

JulieW8

2004-08-19, 11:09 am

On 19 Aug 2004 11:14:10 GMT, jeanniehwilson@aol.comnonospam (Jeannie H
Wilson) wrote:

>
>So, Rae, they are double ball-less when they close it down because an innocent
>bystander got hurt and they are wrong for keeping it up and allowing such a
>thing to happen. What do you propose they do?

I am interested in the answer, as well.

~~~~~*****~~~~~*****~~~~~*****
To send me e-mail, use juliew8@deletethis-alphabest.com

K. Carp

2004-08-19, 7:12 pm

Aha. I guess that would be like if I sent someone an e-mail from Belize, but
everything in the properties would say that I was in Texas. Not that anyone
has ever questioned it, but if they did trace my e-mail, it would not lead
them to Belize.

Kathy

"Mike DeTuri" <seemy@webpage.com> wrote in message
news:C6ydnWr_7K18RL7cRVn-jg@adelphia.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> Anyone who has ever been an administrator for a busy site would know
> that IP addresses are a bad way to ID someone. Some AOL IP addresses
> are common among multiple users from different regions. It's as if AOL
> uses a proxy and many people connect to the web through that proxy. So
> you might appear to be using the same computer/IP address of the site
> owner but in reality you aren't. You just happen to share the same ISP
> and the ISP chooses to route you through the same computer/IP address
> when you connect to the Internet.
>
> A site admin or MTSO with some Internet experience should know this
> stuff and know better than to accuse people of wrongdoing without some
> real proof.
>
> Mike DeTuri
> http://www.deturi.com
>
>
> VHOne wrote:
cahoots[vbcol=seagreen]
guess[vbcol=seagreen]
kind of[vbcol=seagreen]
I have[vbcol=seagreen]

Jeannie H Wilson

2004-08-19, 7:12 pm

>Aha. I guess that would be like if I sent someone an e-mail from Belize, but
>everything in the properties would say that I was in Texas. Not that anyone
>has ever questioned it, but if they did trace my e-mail, it would not lead
>them to Belize.
>

yes, there are quite a few who have probably accused someone of being where
they were not simply because they did not understand the way emails are routed.
Sad to say that - apparently it ruins friendships - as we have just witnessed.

Eliyahu Rooff

2004-08-19, 7:12 pm

"Jeannie H Wilson" <jeanniehwilson@aol.comnonospam> wrote in message
news:20040819191019.05710.00003461@mb-m14.aol.com...
Belize, but[vbcol=seagreen]
that anyone[vbcol=seagreen]
not lead[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> yes, there are quite a few who have probably accused someone of
being where
> they were not simply because they did not understand the way
emails are routed.
> Sad to say that - apparently it ruins friendships - as we have
just witnessed.
>
Similarly, there are sometimes problems because people don't
understand how posts can be delayed and show up with a time stamp
having nothing to do with the time it was actually sent. We had
some major issues on my Jewish newsgroup over posts from our more
observant members appearing to have been posted on Sabbath.

We all need to pause before hitting the send button and reread
things sometimes. I see more flaming and fighting here than when a
Honda rider shows up in my Harley-Davidson forum... And those guys
are hard-core bikers for the most part!

Eliyahu

LizzieB

2004-08-19, 10:09 pm

Eliyahu Rooff wrote:

> I see more flaming and fighting here than when a
> Honda rider shows up in my Harley-Davidson forum... And those guys
> are hard-core bikers for the most part!

In a HD thread on a general motorcycle forum, a dude very well known to
have no motorcycle at all, jumped all over me for participating because
I don't own a Harley--I own a Yamaha.

I said, "920 cc of Yamaha between my legs is better than no cc of Harley
Davidson between yours." The HD dudes loved me after that. ;)

LizzieB.

Ed Chait

2004-08-19, 10:09 pm

"LizzieB" <blahblah@blahblahblah.com> wrote in message
news:vudVc.64709$ju6.20948@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Eliyahu Rooff wrote:
>
>
> In a HD thread on a general motorcycle forum, a dude very well known to
> have no motorcycle at all, jumped all over me for participating because
> I don't own a Harley--I own a Yamaha.
>
> I said, "920 cc of Yamaha between my legs is better than no cc of Harley
> Davidson between yours." The HD dudes loved me after that. ;)
>
> LizzieB.

That would not happen to be an XV-920 Virago, would it?

ed

LizzieB

2004-08-20, 2:09 am

Ed Chait wrote:

>
>
> That would not happen to be an XV-920 Virago, would it?
>
> ed

Yes, indeed, it would, sir. But not the Midnight Virago. I have a
regular ol' chrome engine.

djgordon

2004-08-20, 2:09 am

I love telling my dad his HD sounds like a Honda Shadow--sheesh you'd think
I took his b-day away.

Speaking of HD, I learned something really neat about them yesterday while
doing a file for a company that comes up with brand names for products,
including those offensive drug names that were talked about earlier. Anyway,
they were saying that HD spent seven figures to trademark the sound of their
engines, and when it's written down on paper it looks like this
potato-potato-potato-potato....oh well, just a cute trivia fact.

Dani
"LizzieB" <blahblah@blahblahblah.com> wrote in message
news:vudVc.64709$ju6.20948@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Eliyahu Rooff wrote:
>
>
> In a HD thread on a general motorcycle forum, a dude very well known to
> have no motorcycle at all, jumped all over me for participating because
> I don't own a Harley--I own a Yamaha.
>
> I said, "920 cc of Yamaha between my legs is better than no cc of Harley
> Davidson between yours." The HD dudes loved me after that. ;)
>
> LizzieB.

djgordon

2004-08-20, 2:09 am

That's exactly what my hubby had when we got married.... and it was metallic
purple.... beautiful bike.

Dani

"LizzieB" <blahblah@blahblahblah.com> wrote in message
news:6XdVc.64720$ju6.62870@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Ed Chait wrote:
>
>
> Yes, indeed, it would, sir. But not the Midnight Virago. I have a
> regular ol' chrome engine.
>

Ed Chait

2004-08-20, 4:08 am

"LizzieB" <blahblah@blahblahblah.com> wrote in message
news:6XdVc.64720$ju6.62870@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Ed Chait wrote:
>
>
> Yes, indeed, it would, sir. But not the Midnight Virago. I have a
> regular ol' chrome engine.
>

Cool!

Very nice bike.

The XV-920 is one of the models of bikes that I have lusted over during the
course of my lifetime of motorcycle mania.

I am not a big fan of Jay Leno, but I am a fan of the way he indulges his
passion for motorcycles.

ed, I don't want a pickle

Ed Chait

2004-08-20, 4:08 am

"djgordon" <danigordon@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:IqfVc.642$Li.276@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> I love telling my dad his HD sounds like a Honda Shadow--sheesh you'd
think
> I took his b-day away.
>
> Speaking of HD, I learned something really neat about them yesterday while
> doing a file for a company that comes up with brand names for products,
> including those offensive drug names that were talked about earlier.
Anyway,
> they were saying that HD spent seven figures to trademark the sound of
their
> engines, and when it's written down on paper it looks like this
> potato-potato-potato-potato....oh well, just a cute trivia fact.
>
> Dani

Yep.

Honda produced a model fairly recently with a single-pin crankshaft that
sounded a bit too close for comfort to HD.

They threatened to take them to court over it. I believe it was the Honda
Shadow American model that infringed on the trademarked sound.

Don't know whatever became of the threatened litigation, but Honda stopped
using that crankshaft design.

ed
04 xl 883 (not stock<g> )

LizzieB

2004-08-20, 11:09 am

Ed Chait wrote:

> Cool!
>
> Very nice bike.
>
> The XV-920 is one of the models of bikes that I have lusted over during the
> course of my lifetime of motorcycle mania.

Thank you. I went looking for a Virago specifically, and an engine that
could do long-haul trips. I thought an 1100 was too big for me (I'm
5'5"), and the 750 not big enough. It was only after I bought it that I
found out the chassis for all three engines is the same, so I guess I
could have bought the 1100.

That bike has been a really fun addition to my life. I've had some
really great adventures with it (including the trip to go get it).

LizzieB.

Eliyahu Rooff

2004-08-20, 11:09 am

"Ed Chait" <edchait4@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "djgordon" <danigordon@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:IqfVc.642$Li.276@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
you'd[vbcol=seagreen]
> think
while[vbcol=seagreen]
products,[vbcol=seagreen]
> Anyway,
of[vbcol=seagreen]
> their
>
>
> Yep.
>
> Honda produced a model fairly recently with a single-pin crankshaft
that
> sounded a bit too close for comfort to HD.
>
> They threatened to take them to court over it. I believe it was the
Honda
> Shadow American model that infringed on the trademarked sound.
>
> Don't know whatever became of the threatened litigation, but Honda
stopped
> using that crankshaft design.
>
Honda needs to concentrate on being Honda, and should quit trying to be
a Harley clone. I'd hate to see the motorcycle industry follow the auto
industry and reach the point where all we see are generic "big bikes"
and generic "small bikes."

Eliyahu

Ed Chait

2004-08-21, 2:14 am

"Eliyahu Rooff" <lrooff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10ic2np1c037i8a@corp.supernews.com...
>

>
> Honda needs to concentrate on being Honda, and should quit trying to be
> a Harley clone. I'd hate to see the motorcycle industry follow the auto
> industry and reach the point where all we see are generic "big bikes"
> and generic "small bikes."
>
> Eliyahu

Honda is selling a gazillion of those Harley clones and will continue to do
so, as will all the other major Japanese manufacturers.

I'm not sure why, but people buy these Harley clones. They used to be more
reliable than Harleys, but Harleys have improved a lot in that regard.

Some of the clones are pretty nice, like the Honda VT1800, but they are
still clones. They also don't have that visceral exhaust tone, which for
many is a major part of the Harley experience.

It's just one of those things I don't understand.

ed

RaeMorrill

2004-08-21, 4:16 am

RaeMorrill

2004-08-21, 4:16 am

K. Carp

2004-08-21, 11:20 am

They also don't have that visceral exhaust tone, which for
many is a major part of the Harley experience.>>>>>

Oh yes, and I just love it when about 20 of them go roaring by our house.
NOT!

Kathy

"Ed Chait" <edchait4@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:POzVc.29180$9Y6.20348@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "Eliyahu Rooff" <lrooff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:10ic2np1c037i8a@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> Honda is selling a gazillion of those Harley clones and will continue to
do
> so, as will all the other major Japanese manufacturers.
>
> I'm not sure why, but people buy these Harley clones. They used to be
more
> reliable than Harleys, but Harleys have improved a lot in that regard.
>
> Some of the clones are pretty nice, like the Honda VT1800, but they are
> still clones. They also don't have that visceral exhaust tone, which for
> many is a major part of the Harley experience.
>
> It's just one of those things I don't understand.
>
> ed
>
>

14tonks

2004-08-21, 11:20 am

"K. Carp" <kathycarp@comcastexcess.net> wrote in message
news:mdednR7ymv5WwLrcRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> They also don't have that visceral exhaust tone, which for
> many is a major part of the Harley experience.>>>>>
>
> Oh yes, and I just love it when about 20 of them go roaring by our house.
> NOT!
>

I have to agree with that. I have nothing against bikers per se (my little
brother and my SIL met in a bike club), but bikes should be required to be
muffled within city limits. A HD moving through a Manhattan canyon puts out
a noise and echo effect that will wake up everyone along its route. I have
no objection to loud motors on the open highway, if that's what turns
someone's crankshaft, but they are antisocial in a city.
--

Sheila
To reply to me, add the prefix real. to my address.

djgordon

2004-08-21, 7:38 pm

<tongue in cheek>LOL, but don't you care that they paid over $10 million for
that sound? Surely it must be something that is astronomically important for
that much money to have been spent and for them to sue Yamaha and make them
cease and desist their production of a closely related sound.

Dani

"14tonks" <mail.2.14tonks@recursor.net> wrote in message
news:2op9g0Fd0lrnU1@uni-berlin.de...
> "K. Carp" <kathycarp@comcastexcess.net> wrote in message
> news:mdednR7ymv5WwLrcRVn-sg@comcast.com...
house.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I have to agree with that. I have nothing against bikers per se (my little
> brother and my SIL met in a bike club), but bikes should be required to be
> muffled within city limits. A HD moving through a Manhattan canyon puts
out
> a noise and echo effect that will wake up everyone along its route. I have
> no objection to loud motors on the open highway, if that's what turns
> someone's crankshaft, but they are antisocial in a city.
> --
>
> Sheila
> To reply to me, add the prefix real. to my address.
>
>

K. Carp

2004-08-21, 7:38 pm

Well, I *do* live on a country lane, but it is definitely residential (lots
of homes). I know they have "the right". It still annoys me when I can hear
them coming for a mile, and a mile after they've passed.

I guess I'm just an old grump, and I need to start looking for my 20 acres
so I can build smack dab in the center of it.

:-}
"14tonks" <mail.2.14tonks@recursor.net> wrote in message
news:2op9g0Fd0lrnU1@uni-berlin.de...
> "K. Carp" <kathycarp@comcastexcess.net> wrote in message
> news:mdednR7ymv5WwLrcRVn-sg@comcast.com...
house.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I have to agree with that. I have nothing against bikers per se (my little
> brother and my SIL met in a bike club), but bikes should be required to be
> muffled within city limits. A HD moving through a Manhattan canyon puts
out
> a noise and echo effect that will wake up everyone along its route. I have
> no objection to loud motors on the open highway, if that's what turns
> someone's crankshaft, but they are antisocial in a city.
> --
>
> Sheila
> To reply to me, add the prefix real. to my address.
>
>

Jeannie H Wilson

2004-08-21, 7:38 pm

>
>Well, I *do* live on a country lane, but it is definitely residential (lots
>of homes). I know they have "the right". It still annoys me when I can hear
>them coming for a mile, and a mile after they've passed.
>

I know what you are saying. Places have noise ordinances that apply to
parties, music, music heard outside of a car, etc. but nothing covering loud
motorcycles, cars without mufflers, people working on their cars in their yards
and revving the engine loudly all day long, etc. Makes you wonder who defines
"noise".

KMitch429

2004-08-21, 7:38 pm

Well, I *do* live on a country lane, but it is definitely residential (lots
of homes). I know they have "the right". It still annoys me when I can hear
them coming for a mile, and a mile after they've passed. >>>>>>>

And I live on a street perhaps 3 city blocks long, a winding picturesque
dead-end, with at least 20 apt. buildings and at least 500 residents as a
"captive audience" and all of us get to listen to the HDs or whatever arriving
and leaving our area - one man's joy -- 500 people getting to listen to that
joy

(remove purple from up above, never from my life!)

14tonks

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

I guess I should make clear that my definition of "open highway" is that of
someone who grew up in the Southwest. It means a highway without a town,
house, or gas station in sight for the next 50 miles. Take the bike club out
there and wake up all the rattlesnakes you want, LOL.
--

Sheila
To reply to me, add the prefix real. to my address.

"KMitch429" <kmitch429@aol.compurple> wrote in message
news:20040821130901.21272.00001676@mb-m18.aol.com...
> Well, I *do* live on a country lane, but it is definitely residential
(lots
> of homes). I know they have "the right". It still annoys me when I can
hear
> them coming for a mile, and a mile after they've passed. >>>>>>>
>
> And I live on a street perhaps 3 city blocks long, a winding picturesque
> dead-end, with at least 20 apt. buildings and at least 500 residents as a
> "captive audience" and all of us get to listen to the HDs or whatever
arriving
> and leaving our area - one man's joy -- 500 people getting to listen to
that
> joy
>
>
>
>
> (remove purple from up above, never from my life!)

JMorngstar

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

It must be in the blood. Here, the noise doesn't bother me in the least. I
rather like the noise of 10 bikes going down the street. In Alaska, it is the
doorbell. You know where to meet when you hear the first bike fire up. Works
for me.

I have to put up with dogs barking, kids crying, people putting their trash out
three days early, so they can put up with the noise coming to and leaving my
house.

What bothers me more, is hearing the kids screaming in the swimming pools and
always wondering if they are in trouble and hollering for help, or just having
a very good time.

Oh well, back to dreaming about the pearl white Dyna.

Janice

Ed Chait

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

"K. Carp" <kathycarp@comcastexcess.net> wrote in message
news:mdednR7ymv5WwLrcRVn-sg@comcast.com...
> They also don't have that visceral exhaust tone, which for
> many is a major part of the Harley experience.>>>>>
>
> Oh yes, and I just love it when about 20 of them go roaring by our house.
> NOT!
>
> Kathy
>

Yeah, it can be very obnoxious. No argument there.

I've always loved how certain engines sound though, so usually the first
modification I make to a motorcycle is a good aftermarket exhaust system.

I certainly understand that many do not share my enjoyment of this.

ed

JMorngstar

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

>the first
>modification I make to a motorcycle is a good aftermarket exhaust system.

Yes, Allen spent $700 to make his more obnoxious.

Janice

RaeMorrill

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

RaeMorrill

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

LizzieB

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

Ed Chait

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

"JMorngstar" <jmorngstar@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20040821140510.19052.00004460@mb-m06.aol.com...
>
> Yes, Allen spent $700 to make his more obnoxious.
>
> Janice

LOL!

ed

K. Carp

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

I think the problem with our house is that it is 4 houses down from a 90
degree turn in the road. They take that turn, and then crank that sucker up
to 2000 decibels for the straight stretch. I don't mind the sound of just a
motorcycle going by, but it's when it is wound to the max (and there are 50
of them) it's a bit much.

Kathy

"JMorngstar" <jmorngstar@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20040821135122.12901.00002105@mb-m06.aol.com...
> It must be in the blood. Here, the noise doesn't bother me in the least.
I
> rather like the noise of 10 bikes going down the street. In Alaska, it is
the
> doorbell. You know where to meet when you hear the first bike fire up.
Works
> for me.
>
> I have to put up with dogs barking, kids crying, people putting their
trash out
> three days early, so they can put up with the noise coming to and leaving
my
> house.
>
> What bothers me more, is hearing the kids screaming in the swimming pools
and
> always wondering if they are in trouble and hollering for help, or just
having
> a very good time.
>
> Oh well, back to dreaming about the pearl white Dyna.
>
> Janice

JMorngstar

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

>
>LOL!

The way I see it, it doesn't matter what you pay for the bike, you are
guaranteed to need to put another $5000 into it, to make it just what you want.
Then, if you get that just perfect, there is the custom paint job. HD knows
that they are doing.

Janice

K. Carp

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

Actually, what bothers me more than the motorcycles is the rattle-trap cars
with no mufflers, who also wind it out after that turn in the road.

I'm going to stop thinking about them, and only think of pleasant things the
rest of the day.

;-)

"Ed Chait" <edchait4@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "JMorngstar" <jmorngstar@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> news:20040821140510.19052.00004460@mb-m06.aol.com...
system.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> LOL!
>
> ed
>
>

SANDITYPES

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

>Actually, what bothers me more than the motorcycles is the rattle-trap cars
>with no mufflers, who also wind it out after that turn in the road.
>
>I'm going to stop thinking about them, and only think of pleasant things the
>rest of the day.
>
>;-)
>
>
They may not be rattletraps. The first thing my son did when he got a car a
couple of weeks ago was put a new exhaust system on it. I think it sounds
broken; he thinks it sounds fabulous.

Sandi

Ed Chait

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

"JMorngstar" <jmorngstar@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20040821164609.14909.00001738@mb-m10.aol.com...
>
> The way I see it, it doesn't matter what you pay for the bike, you are
> guaranteed to need to put another $5000 into it, to make it just what you
want.
> Then, if you get that just perfect, there is the custom paint job. HD
knows
> that they are doing.
>
> Janice

Oh yes, they certainly do.

I just received the 2005 catalog and I have never seen so many chrome
doo-dads in my life.

Fortunately, I am not into chrome at all, so most of my motorcycle money
goes towards more functional improvements.

I am slowly collecting a second set of body parts for that custom paint job
though

.

There are some incredible painters out there. I was just looking at this
guy's gallery last night on his website. The flame paint jobs he does are
absolutely amazing. The way he does the shading, the flames are very
3-dimensional and seem to float over the basecoat.

Oh well, at least these days I only have one bike. At the zenith of my
obsession, I had eight.

ed

JulieW8

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

On 21 Aug 2004 20:55:24 GMT, sanditypes@aol.comshazbot (SANDITYPES)
wrote:

>They may not be rattletraps. The first thing my son did when he got a car a
>couple of weeks ago was put a new exhaust system on it. I think it sounds
>broken; he thinks it sounds fabulous.

IMO, there's nothing more beautiful than the sound the 351 Windsor
small block in my 69 Mustang makes!

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Ed Chait

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

"JulieW8" <seemysig@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> IMO, there's nothing more beautiful than the sound the 351 Windsor
> small block in my 69 Mustang makes!
>

I'm in love.

Oh wait, I'm married.

ed

JMorngstar

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

> I was just looking at this
>guy's gallery last night on his website. The flame paint jobs he does are
>absolutely amazing.

Allen had a body shop for 10 years and specialized in custom paint jobs. Before
the guy got famous, he did several cars for the Nascar driver from Vancouver
WA, Greg Biffle (sp). Everyone commented on the flame job that he had on his
Sportster. I don't know when he will get the itch to paint this one, but I
know it is coming.

The Sportster went to Japan, where there is a big market for old HDs.

Janice

JMorngstar

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

>Oh wait, I'm married.

So is she.

Janice

RaeMorrill

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

>
>couple of weeks ago was put a new exhaust system on it. I think it sounds
>broken; he thinks it sounds fabulous.

Well, like the "good ole days" when they had those muscle cars all souped up to
sound really loud!.

Rae Morrill in Maine
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RaeMorrill

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

>IMO, there's nothing more beautiful than the sound the 351 Windsor
>small block in my 69 Mustang makes!

LOL. My high school flame had Mach I Mustangs. I LOVED to hear those things
roar.

Rae Morrill in Maine
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Bam

2004-08-21, 7:39 pm

>
> LOL. My high school flame had Mach I Mustangs. I LOVED to hear those
things
> roar.

Mine too!! Only I married him and the roaring car turned into a roaring
man.... LOL!!

RaeMorrill

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

>Mine too!! Only I married him and the roaring car turned into a roaring
>man.... LOL!!
>

Yeah, well you know that Garth Brooks song, "Unanswered Prayers"? Thank
goodness I did not marry this guy.

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Jeannie H Wilson

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

>IMO, there's nothing more beautiful than the sound the 351 Windsor
>small block in my 69 Mustang makes!
>

My dad had 2 different 65 mustangs and his best friend had a Mach I. I loved
the sounds those cars made even as a child!!! I still love the sound of a
mustang - I really, really, really want one. Don't know if I ever will get
one, but really want one.

Susan Mitchell

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

My DH just did a special pain job on his sister's Harley. We had the base
of a beautiful pale blue on the gas tank and fenders. Then DH did two
feathers on the gas tank and smaller ones on the fenders with leather straps
with beads flowing. Gorgeous. I'll try to post her website pictures of it.

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are[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Allen had a body shop for 10 years and specialized in custom paint jobs.
Before
> the guy got famous, he did several cars for the Nascar driver from
Vancouver
> WA, Greg Biffle (sp). Everyone commented on the flame job that he had on
his
> Sportster. I don't know when he will get the itch to paint this one, but
I
> know it is coming.
>
> The Sportster went to Japan, where there is a big market for old HDs.
>
> Janice

Susan Mitchell

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

skyerider04's Album:bike makeover
Click on the link above to view the 18 pictures . This should get to it.
Shows before etc. Tends to look silver but it is a gorgeous blue with
violet shading around and through feathers -- It really is gorgeous! That's
the first one he's done and now he's being hounded. He has a cool skull he
designed with flames! He does a lot of Pacific NW Indian Art. I think she
has a link to that too, I'll see.

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are[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Allen had a body shop for 10 years and specialized in custom paint jobs.
Before
> the guy got famous, he did several cars for the Nascar driver from
Vancouver
> WA, Greg Biffle (sp). Everyone commented on the flame job that he had on
his
> Sportster. I don't know when he will get the itch to paint this one, but
I
> know it is coming.
>
> The Sportster went to Japan, where there is a big market for old HDs.
>
> Janice

Susan Mitchell

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

The bike is in DH's work room (see black and white tiled floors) If you go
to the other side of the basement we have a 50s/60s diner with the flooring
and a bar and diner type table and booth! Real cute! DH is painting on the
car in one of the pictures at a car show.

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"Susan Mitchell" <readthemessage@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> skyerider04's Album:bike makeover
> Click on the link above to view the 18 pictures . This should get to it.
> Shows before etc. Tends to look silver but it is a gorgeous blue with
> violet shading around and through feathers -- It really is gorgeous!
That's
> the first one he's done and now he's being hounded. He has a cool skull
he
> designed with flames! He does a lot of Pacific NW Indian Art. I think
she
> has a link to that too, I'll see.
>
> --
> Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
> (to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
> "JMorngstar" <jmorngstar@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> news:20040821180450.07394.00001553@mb-m15.aol.com...
> are
> Before
> Vancouver
on[vbcol=seagreen]
> his
but[vbcol=seagreen]
> I
>
>

Susan Mitchell

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

The sound of a harley running 24/7 never would bother me. But one of the
rice rockets God forbid!

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"K. Carp" <kathycarp@comcastexcess.net> wrote in message
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> Actually, what bothers me more than the motorcycles is the rattle-trap
cars
> with no mufflers, who also wind it out after that turn in the road.
>
> I'm going to stop thinking about them, and only think of pleasant things
the
> rest of the day.
>
> ;-)
>
>
> "Ed Chait" <edchait4@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:qpOVc.9011$3O3.2769@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> system.
>
>

Susan Mitchell

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

skyerider04's Album:bike makeover
Click on the link above to view the 18 pictures

Let's try again see if it will work.

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"Susan Mitchell" <readthemessage@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> skyerider04's Album:bike makeover
> Click on the link above to view the 18 pictures . This should get to it.
> Shows before etc. Tends to look silver but it is a gorgeous blue with
> violet shading around and through feathers -- It really is gorgeous!
That's
> the first one he's done and now he's being hounded. He has a cool skull
he
> designed with flames! He does a lot of Pacific NW Indian Art. I think
she
> has a link to that too, I'll see.
>
> --
> Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
> (to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
> "JMorngstar" <jmorngstar@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> news:20040821180450.07394.00001553@mb-m15.aol.com...
> are
> Before
> Vancouver
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> his
but[vbcol=seagreen]
> I
>
>

Susan Mitchell

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

Well, they aren't working. I just wrote her and asked for her website or a
better link. We'll see.

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"Susan Mitchell" <readthemessage@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> skyerider04's Album:bike makeover
> Click on the link above to view the 18 pictures
>
> Let's try again see if it will work.
>
> --
> Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
> (to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
> "Susan Mitchell" <readthemessage@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> That's
> he
> she
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> on
> but
>
>

JulieW8

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:57:21 GMT, "Ed Chait" <edchait4@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>I'm in love.
>
>Oh wait, I'm married.
>
>ed

>

If I'd known a car like that was what it took, I would've bought one
when I was young and single. ;-)

http://www.mtexchange.com/mustang.html

I love driving this car.

~~~~~*****~~~~~*****~~~~~*****
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Anne Vasquez

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

I had one for a few years, and, while it was a pretty car, it sure
wasn't anything you wanted to have out on the highway for a road trip
(which we did several time anyways). Miserable, uncomfortable,
low-backed seats - talk about back and neck pain!

Anne

Jeannie H Wilson wrote:

>
>
> My dad had 2 different 65 mustangs and his best friend had a Mach I. I loved
> the sounds those cars made even as a child!!! I still love the sound of a
> mustang - I really, really, really want one. Don't know if I ever will get
> one, but really want one.

Anne Vasquez

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

My daughter wants to know if you'd like to give her a graduation present.

Anne

JulieW8 wrote:

>
>
> If I'd known a car like that was what it took, I would've bought one
> when I was young and single. ;-)
>
> http://www.mtexchange.com/mustang.html
>
> I love driving this car.
>
> ~~~~~*****~~~~~*****~~~~~*****
> To send me e-mail, use juliew8@deletethis-alphabest.com

Susan Mitchell

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

I can not stand the sound of young girls squealing for that very reason, you
never know if they are hurt. I won't allow it with my nieces. I;ve actually
made them leave. It is like nails on chalkboard to me. I tell them I come
out once to check on them and if they yell again, drowning, getting abducted
their gone. I tell them it is crying wolf and so dang annoying. Actually I
would check on them, but it is the decibel level of it that I find annoying.

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> It must be in the blood. Here, the noise doesn't bother me in the least.
I
> rather like the noise of 10 bikes going down the street. In Alaska, it is
the
> doorbell. You know where to meet when you hear the first bike fire up.
Works
> for me.
>
> I have to put up with dogs barking, kids crying, people putting their
trash out
> three days early, so they can put up with the noise coming to and leaving
my
> house.
>
> What bothers me more, is hearing the kids screaming in the swimming pools
and
> always wondering if they are in trouble and hollering for help, or just
having
> a very good time.
>
> Oh well, back to dreaming about the pearl white Dyna.
>
> Janice

Susan Mitchell

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

Hey, that's what we're putting in our '65! We have two of the 351 Windsors
right now.

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"JulieW8" <seemysig@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> On 21 Aug 2004 20:55:24 GMT, sanditypes@aol.comshazbot (SANDITYPES)
> wrote:
>
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>
> IMO, there's nothing more beautiful than the sound the 351 Windsor
> small block in my 69 Mustang makes!
>
>
> ~~~~~*****~~~~~*****~~~~~*****
> To send me e-mail, use juliew8@deletethis-alphabest.com

Susan Mitchell

2004-08-21, 10:12 pm

Nice, but it's RED!! We UW fans like PURPLE no red (VBG). Now that son is
a firefighter we have to ease up on the dislike of red!!!

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"JulieW8" <seemysig@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:57:21 GMT, "Ed Chait" <edchait4@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> If I'd known a car like that was what it took, I would've bought one
> when I was young and single. ;-)
>
> http://www.mtexchange.com/mustang.html
>
> I love driving this car.
>
> ~~~~~*****~~~~~*****~~~~~*****
> To send me e-mail, use juliew8@deletethis-alphabest.com

djgordon

2004-08-22, 2:09 am

My dad's custom paint job is really nice...it's metallic maroon with a hog
tearing a hole in the night sky on his gas tank...hard to describe but
really nice.

Dani

"JMorngstar" <jmorngstar@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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are[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Allen had a body shop for 10 years and specialized in custom paint jobs.
Before
> the guy got famous, he did several cars for the Nascar driver from
Vancouver
> WA, Greg Biffle (sp). Everyone commented on the flame job that he had on
his
> Sportster. I don't know when he will get the itch to paint this one, but
I
> know it is coming.
>
> The Sportster went to Japan, where there is a big market for old HDs.
>
> Janice

Eliyahu Rooff

2004-08-22, 2:09 am

You're going to need something that begins with http:// or www.

Eliyahu

"Susan Mitchell" <readthemessage@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> Well, they aren't working. I just wrote her and asked for her website
or a
> better link. We'll see.
>
> --
> Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
> (to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
> "Susan Mitchell" <readthemessage@nobody.com> wrote in message
> news:9WSVc.165365$8_6.117906@attbi_s04...
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Ed Chait

2004-08-22, 2:09 am

"JulieW8" <seemysig@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:57:21 GMT, "Ed Chait" <edchait4@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> If I'd known a car like that was what it took, I would've bought one
> when I was young and single. ;-)
>

No, no, no. It's not the car, it's the woman whose favorite sound is the
exhaust of a high performance car

.

> http://www.mtexchange.com/mustang.html
>
> I love driving this car.
>

omg, what an absolutely gorgeous example of that model Mustang. You do
realize how valuable and collectible that car is?

The '69 fastback Mach 1 in that color just happens to be my favorite of all
Mustangs.

I would LOVE driving that car too!!!!!!!!

ed

Eliyahu Rooff

2004-08-22, 2:09 am

"JulieW8" <seemysig@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:57:21 GMT, "Ed Chait" <edchait4@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> If I'd known a car like that was what it took, I would've bought one
> when I was young and single. ;-)
>
> http://www.mtexchange.com/mustang.html
>
My wife had one when we got married (the 1965 GT350 model, that is). We
traded it in during the 1972/73 gasoline embargo... on a Vega. <big
sigh>

Eliyahu

Eliyahu Rooff

2004-08-22, 2:09 am

"Susan Mitchell" <readthemessage@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> The sound of a harley running 24/7 never would bother me.

Especially since HD is one of those rare companies that won't even
consider offshore outsourcing.

Eliyahu

RaeMorrill

2004-08-22, 2:09 am

>Especially since HD is one of those rare companies that won't even
>consider offshore outsourcing.
>
>Eliyahu

LOL. Too bad my DH doesn't have a Harley "Jones" I guess. He has a bike, but
isn't into "biker" look, although I must admit black leather.... Well, nebber
mind..

Rae Morrill in Maine
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RaeMorrill

2004-08-22, 2:09 am

>My wife had one when we got married (the 1965 GT350 model, that is). We
>traded it in during the 1972/73 gasoline embargo... on a Vega.
>

OY!!! Turn around and bend over to be kicked - nebber mind you probably already
did that to yourself. But WHO KNEW!

Rae Morrill in Maine
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Eliyahu Rooff

2004-08-22, 2:09 am

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>
> OY!!! Turn around and bend over to be kicked - nebber mind you
probably already