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| Judity01 2004-11-16, 4:28 pm |
| Are they trying to turn out kids who aren't allowed to have fun any more and
keep them in cotton protection until they go out into the bumpy world of
adulthood? What do you think of the school's decision?
http://www.local6.com/news/3913357/detail.html
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| Becky Young 2004-11-16, 4:28 pm |
| >What do you think of the school's decision?
Absolutely ridiculous, but it's where we've gotten ourselves with everybody
suing everybody for anything at all.
Becky Young
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| In article <20041112171816.08032.00000543@mb-m07.aol.com>, judity01@aol.com
says...
> Are they trying to turn out kids who aren't allowed to have fun any more and
> keep them in cotton protection until they go out into the bumpy world of
> adulthood? What do you think of the school's decision?
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> http://www.local6.com/news/3913357/detail.html
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It's California, what do you expect? I think everyone involved in this
decision should be fired.
Bob/Texas
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| Eliyahu Rooff 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
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"Judity01" <judity01@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041112171816.08032.00000543@mb-m07.aol.com...
| Are they trying to turn out kids who aren't allowed to have fun
any more and
| keep them in cotton protection until they go out into the bumpy
world of
| adulthood? What do you think of the school's decision?
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| http://www.local6.com/news/3913357/detail.html
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I think the school needs to get in touch with reality. This isn't
the same district in CA that wants to prohibit kids from playing
dodgeball , is it?
Eliyahu
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| JulieW8 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
| On 12 Nov 2004 22:18:16 GMT, judity01@aol.com (Judity01) spilled the
contents of his/her brain by saying:
>Are they trying to turn out kids who aren't allowed to have fun any more and
>keep them in cotton protection until they go out into the bumpy world of
>adulthood? What do you think of the school's decision?
>
>http://www.local6.com/news/3913357/detail.html
Here's how I read this:
"was dismissed from the school this week after school authorities
warned her for the last time to stop doing gymnastic stunts during
lunchtime"
She wasn't suspended for doing handstands and stunts - she was
suspended for being disobedient. IMO, she should have stopped doing
the handstands the first time she was told. She didn't have to agree
with their reason but she's 11 and them's the rules.
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| Jeannie Wilson 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
| "Eliyahu Rooff" <lrooff@hotmail.com> scribbled here
news:10paso3p207c5e2@corp.supernews.com:
> Nevertheless, don't you think that suspension is a little overboard for
> doing something that puts no one (else) at risk and ought to be an
> acceptable playground activity?
I didn't think she was doing them on the playground. Of course, I have not
read the article yet, so I should probably just hush and go read it. LOL
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| JulieW8 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
| On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:05:06 -0800, "Eliyahu Rooff"
<lrooff@hotmail.com> spilled the contents of his/her brain by saying:
>Nevertheless, don't you think that suspension is a little overboard for
>doing something that puts no one (else) at risk and ought to be an
>acceptable playground activity?
>
>Eliyahu
But the suspension wasn't for doing something that puts nobody else at
risk - it was for disobeying.
As for not letting her do her gymnastics at school - what do you think
would happen if more than one kid decided to start doing handstands
and cartwheels? And if you let one kid do them, how do you tell the
other kids she can and they can't?
If she really thought handstands and cartwheels ought to be allowed at
school - and if her parents are so gung ho on supporting what their
child wants to do - they should have worked within the system to
perhaps designate a time and place for supervised gymnastics-type
activities. But having been told to stop, she deserved to be suspended
when she didn't.
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| Eliyahu Rooff 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
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"Judity01" <judity01@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041113084651.21945.00000686@mb-m06.aol.com...
> ((It's California, what do you expect? ))
>
> That's rather rude, Bob. How would you like it if I made snide cracks
about
> Texas?
>
> Judity
> Californian and proud of it
Is this the same California where several municipalities have officially
declared that people don't "own" pets; but are their guardians? (Not to
mention the goings-on in the People's Republics of Berkely and
Arcata...) :-)
Eliyahu
Former resident of San Diego and Redlands
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| JulieW8 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
| On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:45:53 -0800, "Eliyahu Rooff"
<lrooff@hotmail.com> spilled the contents of his/her brain by saying:
>I'm not arguing that it was okay; only that suspension is a bit extreme.
>There are a lot of other sanctions available to the school which don't
>interfere with a child's education, and suspension ought to be reserved
>for things which are very disruptive, which interfere with classroom
>activities, and which involve a threat to the safety of others.
>
>I can only recall one or two kids being suspended when I was in school,
>and those cases involved repeated attacks on other kids. Infractions
>like the ones in this case were dealt with by being kept after school,
>missing recess or being sent to the principals' office.
I suppose it would depend on how many times they talked to her about
it and whether or not she got detention or inhouse suspension prior to
this but continued to ignore the rules. The article is a short one and
doesn't give many details. At least here in California, the tolerance
level is pretty low - when you and I went to school, kids didn't bring
guns and knives and fist fights were rare.
My son and a bunch of his friends were playing rough one day and got
suspended. One of the boys was expelled from school because he got
mouthy - and not for the first time. They'd just had enough of him.
When I mentioned to the principal that boys will be boys and I thought
even a one-day suspension was a little harsh for being boys, she
reminded me that they run a small city over there, with 3600 students.
I don't know about Corona, but the LAUSD has a ratio of 42 students to
every teacher. They don't have the resources to be very tolerant of
kids who create problems.
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| Montyna 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
| I used to take a freind's daughter to gymnastics class, and they stressed
safety and the dangers involved. Mats, spotters, appropriate places to
practice it, etc.
I'm going to disagree with just about everyone. This wasn't a young girl
happily turning cartwheels. This was a child who set out to cause problems.
The first news story I read about this said she had already been disciplined
for doing this in the lunchroom.
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| In article <20041112171816.08032.00000543@mb-m07.aol.com>, judity01@aol.com
says...
> Are they trying to turn out kids who aren't allowed to have fun any more and
> keep them in cotton protection until they go out into the bumpy world of
> adulthood? What do you think of the school's decision?
>
> http://www.local6.com/news/3913357/detail.html
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It's California, what do you expect? I think everyone involved in this
decision should be fired.
Bob/Texas
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| In article <20041113084651.21945.00000686@mb-m06.aol.com>, judity01@aol.com
says...
> ((It's California, what do you expect? ))
>
> That's rather rude, Bob. How would you like it if I made snide cracks about
> Texas?
>
> Judity
> Californian and proud of it
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Judity,
A lot of wacky stuff comes out of California, Texas, Florida,
Massachussetts, and the winner, Washington, D.C. That doesn't mean that
everyone in those states and district is wacky; just that I'm not at all
surprised it happened there. I would have been rather surprised if it had
happened in say, Indiana or Wyoming.
And please note that I've lived in Florida and Texas, and have family in
Texas and Massachussetts.
Bob/Texas
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| Judity01 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
| ((It's California, what do you expect? ))
That's rather rude, Bob. How would you like it if I made snide cracks about
Texas?
Judity
Californian and proud of it
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| The Brown Family 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
| Oh Cmon Judity, you know it's true!! Ha Ha.
Cheryl B.
(Native Californian)
"Judity01" <judity01@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041113084651.21945.00000686@mb-m06.aol.com...
> ((It's California, what do you expect? ))
>
> That's rather rude, Bob. How would you like it if I made snide cracks
about
> Texas?
>
> Judity
> Californian and proud of it
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| In article <4196236a.1358964@News.individual.net>, seemysig@netscape.net
says...
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:05:06 -0800, "Eliyahu Rooff"
> <lrooff@hotmail.com> spilled the contents of his/her brain by saying:
>
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> But the suspension wasn't for doing something that puts nobody else at
> risk - it was for disobeying.
>
So? That's what things like multi-page essays and detentions are for. This
sounds as wacky as all those zero tolerance rules.
> activities. But having been told to stop, she deserved to be suspended
> when she didn't.
>
No, that's plain idiotic!
Bob/Texas
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| Maureen Galvin 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
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"JulieW8" <seemysig@netscape.net> wrote in message >
> My son and a bunch of his friends were playing rough one day and got
> suspended. One of the boys was expelled from school because he got
> mouthy - and not for the first time. They'd just had enough of him. When
> I mentioned to the principal that boys will be boys and I thought even a
> one-day suspension was a little harsh for being boys, she reminded me
> that they run a small city over there, with 3600 students.
I'm sorry, I'm still trying to believe you used the "boys will be boys"
argument Julie. Sorry, this is a very sore subject with me because of our
school. The "boys will be boys" rule seems to be used a lot to sweep things
under the rug so to speak. Boys will be boys my XXX.
Maureen
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| JulieW8 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
| On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:41:43 -0600, "Maureen Galvin"
<maureen.galvin@comcastdotnet> spilled the contents of his/her brain
by saying:
>I'm sorry, I'm still trying to believe you used the "boys will be boys"
>argument Julie. Sorry, this is a very sore subject with me because of our
>school. The "boys will be boys" rule seems to be used a lot to sweep things
>under the rug so to speak. Boys will be boys my XXX.
Well, I disagree - boys WILL be boys and anybody with boys close in
age will tell you that. I lived one summer with my aunt, who has 4
boys very close in age and I thought I'd go crazy - nobody at their
house realized how noisy they were because they got used to it. I got
used to it with my two boys and all their friends. I'm not sure what
"boys will be boys" behavior YOU'RE referring to - I'm referring to
the fact that boys are louder and more physically rowdy than a girls.
That said, I understand rowdy behavior isn't appropriate for school
and that a teacher can't distinguish between a kid under attack and
boys rough housing. I thought an inhouse detention would be more
appropriate than a one-day suspension from school (which, IMO, isn't
any kind of punishment at all).
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| JulieW8 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
| On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:37:36 GMT, Bob <nottooslow@forevermail.com>
spilled the contents of his/her brain by saying:
> But the suspension wasn't for doing something that puts nobody else at
>
>So? That's what things like multi-page essays and detentions are for. This
>sounds as wacky as all those zero tolerance rules.
>
>
>No, that's plain idiotic!
>
>Bob/Texas
>
So are you supporting rules with no enforcement? Cuz that's what it
sounds like to me.
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| JulieW8 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
| On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:47:47 GMT, Bob <nottooslow@forevermail.com>
spilled the contents of his/her brain by saying:
>
>That's way too big of a school, but it's no excuse to not look at the facts
>of each situation and do what is right.
>
>Bob/Texas
IMO, the school in Corona didn't do anything wrong and the parents
ought to be smacked for not backing up the discipline.
The HS my son goes to is one of the smaller ones in the area, Bob.
Most the other high schools in a 20-mile radius have enrollment closer
to (or exceeding) 4000.
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| In article <4196345d.5697833@News.individual.net>, seemysig@netscape.net
says...
> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:45:53 -0800, "Eliyahu Rooff"
> <lrooff@hotmail.com> spilled the contents of his/her brain by saying:
>
>
>
> I suppose it would depend on how many times they talked to her about
> it and whether or not she got detention or inhouse suspension prior to
> this but continued to ignore the rules. The article is a short one and
> doesn't give many details. At least here in California, the tolerance
> level is pretty low - when you and I went to school, kids didn't bring
> guns and knives and fist fights were rare.
>
When my Dad went to school, many kids brought firearms to school and no one
got shot. When I was in school, many kids brought knives to school and I
don't recall a single knife fight.
> My son and a bunch of his friends were playing rough one day and got
> suspended. One of the boys was expelled from school because he got
> mouthy - and not for the first time. They'd just had enough of him.
> When I mentioned to the principal that boys will be boys and I thought
> even a one-day suspension was a little harsh for being boys, she
> reminded me that they run a small city over there, with 3600 students.
> I don't know about Corona, but the LAUSD has a ratio of 42 students to
> every teacher. They don't have the resources to be very tolerant of
> kids who create problems.
>
That's way too big of a school, but it's no excuse to not look at the facts
of each situation and do what is right.
Bob/Texas
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| JulieW8 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
| On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:55:13 GMT, "Laura Gibson"
<transpec3@comcast.net> spilled the contents of his/her brain by
saying:
>I agree with you Maureen, even though I had 2 boys myself (1 daughter).
>This excuse is used too much.
I'm not sure why everyone seems to think I used it as an excuse. The
principal told me spraying water on kids is against the rules. I
thought a day of suspension for a kid who'd never even done detention
before was a bit much and she disagreed. My son took his day of
suspension because in our house - boys or girls - you break the rules,
you take the punishment.
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| JulieW8 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
| Oh - your experience (and therefore definition) of the term is
different from mine! When I say boys will be boys, I mean the way
brothers and friends horse around with each other. Unless I think they
might hurt someone or each other, I don't see a reason to stop it -
and besides, I'm tired of trying. But if they damage or break
something they pay for it. Let's see - one time it was a damaged door
when they rammed into it like a freight train and another time it was
a clogged sink after one of them got a knee in the stomach and threw
up <sigh>. And this was just playing - nobody was mad at anybody else.
I sure don't tolerate them being mean to each other or other kids.
I suspect your school is much smaller, in a smaller community, so it's
probably easier for parents to influence teachers and administration.
The problem we have around here is parents who are too busy working or
just don't care. I think that's one reason the school has to be so
intolerant - the parents aren't around or are overly tolerant. When
this same son was in a small private school, he had problems with a
couple other kids and didn't want to go to the local high school
because they were also going there. I told him in a school of 3600
kids, he probably wouldn't see them much and I was right - he says he
never runs into them and he's not even sure if they still go to school
there. I went to school in a small town and we went from grade school
to middle school to high school with the same kids all the way
through. If you made enemies in 4th grade, you had the same enemies in
12th grade!
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:59:36 -0600, "Maureen Galvin"
<maureen.galvin@comcastdotnet> spilled the contents of his/her brain
by saying:
>
>"JulieW8" <seemysig@netscape.net> wrote in message >
>
>And I am very glad that your son did the punishment. I dont know how things
>are done at your schools, but at our school you get a handbook which shows
>the types of infractions and the punishments that go along with them and you
>and your child have to sign an acknowledgement that you reviewed them and
>understood.
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>My situation is not everyone's, but my son who was a good student for the
>most part, not a trouble maker and definitely not part of the "in-crowd" and
>his friends were always the ones who caught the brunt of the bullying and
>downright nasty behavior of a crew whose parents lived by the "boys will be
>boys" rule. These were also the parents on the school board, the holy name
>group, the mothers club, etc. and staunch supporters of the school so their
>kids got to run the place carte blanc (sp). When you went to the school to
>complain you got the same crap about how they would talk to the kids and you
>just have to understand that this is how boys are - bull crap. The
>principal who also did not allow fighting on school grounds would tell me
>that my son and his friends would have to "stand up" for themselves. This
>began in the 4th grade. One day he did stand up for himself and he was
>suspended for fighting a boy who had been bullying him for 3 years now. At
>first they wanted to only suspend my son because he threw the first punch.
>I agreed he needed to be disciplined and had no trouble with the suspension,
>but it takes two to fight and the kid he finally fought had been the
>instigator for years. All of a sudden this kids parents thought my son was
>the monster because he should have been able to take a little ribbing and
>suck it up. Finally they both ended up with suspensions.
>
>They would hold those self-esteem pep rallies in the school. The kids who
>needed the self esteem boost were the ones cowering in the corners
>afterwards because the other kids were bouncing off the walls.
>
>When two of my son's classmates decided to begin picking on his little
>sister and her friend at the park and came home crying, I went up there and
>gave these kids a piece of my mind and told them that whatever their issue
>was with my son it was between them and they had best leave his sister
>alone. These boy's parents said to me, "well you know how boys are. We try
>to stay out of their problems and let them work it out themselves." Again,
>all well and good for the boys, but why is it okay for them to drag his
>little sister (who was only 10) into the mix.
>
>So sorry, it's a sore spot with me and when I hear it said aloud I just
>cringe.
>
>Maureen
>
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| Donna in Texas 2004-11-20, 11:24 am |
| I think I just stepped into the twilight zone... again...... I'm not EVEN
gonna ask what all this is about.... does not matter........
I like Texas (actually, I'd love to move to a different part of Texas). I
have never been to California, but I love everywhere I've been... Maybe I'm
just "simple".
I must be bored to join this thread!
Donna/Texas
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| ChrissyPete2 2004-11-20, 11:25 am |
| If she was told to not do it even once, then she deserves to be in
trouble....suspension - I don't know. Seems to be a bit harsh -- miss out on
learning and all.
If my child came home complaining about how they wouldn't allow her to do that
stuff (on recess), I would've said "Oh well, must be one of their rules so you
better stop it." They have stranger rules than that these days that I don't
agree with.....like the one about not pretending ANYTHING is a toy gun -- such
as one built of legos. Gimme a break. I know the rule and my kids know the
rule....I, however, will NOT be the adult telling the child to stop. Cowboys
and Indians is a very old game. LOL.
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| ChrissyPete2 2004-11-20, 11:25 am |
| >I, however, will NOT be the adult telling the child to stop.
By this I meant while I was in school.....such as the time a four-year-old was
pretending to fire a straight tower of legos and a mother told me to stop him
from doing it. I said "No. I won't." If my child gets in trouble for doing it,
then he knew the rule himself.
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