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OT- OMG the Come Back Kid returns!!
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| Heard this on the radio this afternoon.
Former president Bill Clinton having been cleared by his doctors is about to
really shake things up a bit. This coming Monday Oct 25th, he is going to
have a press conference where he will announce his full support and backing
of Sen. Kerry, and will begin campaigning on his behalf.
Wow!! Just when I thought things could not possibly get any more exciting!!!
How is Bush going to deal with this???
With Clinton's huge fan base, support and political genius, this election is
going to be off the hook.
WOW!!!!
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| SANDITYPES 2004-10-21, 7:06 am |
| >Heard this on the radio this afternoon.
>
>Former president Bill Clinton having been cleared by his doctors is about to
>really shake things up a bit. This coming Monday Oct 25th, he is going to
>have a press conference where he will announce his full support and backing
>of Sen. Kerry, and will begin campaigning on his behalf.
>
>Wow!! Just when I thought things could not possibly get any more exciting!!!
>
>How is Bush going to deal with this???
>
>With Clinton's huge fan base, support and political genius, this election is
>going to be off the hook.
>
>WOW!!!!
>
Well, it's hardly shocking that the former Democratic president would "come
out" in support of the Democratic candidate.
Sandi
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| Anne Carle 2004-10-21, 11:07 am |
| On 21 Oct 2004 11:36:36 GMT, sanditypes@aol.comshazbot (SANDITYPES)
wrote:
>Well, it's hardly shocking that the former Democratic president would "come
>out" in support of the Democratic candidate.
>
>Sandi
It certainly isn't surprising, but it's interesting! <G> Considering
the polarity of peoples' opinions about Clinton, his endorsement of
Kerry could have a negative effect, even though his endorsement
certainly would be (was) expected.
Anne/OH
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| Anne Carle 2004-10-21, 11:07 am |
| I just read my own post (very bottom) and looked at the quoted parts
of the message as well--no wonder there has been confusion about
posts--I should have snipped! At first glance (but not with scrutiny)
it appears Sandi said something she, in fact, did not say.
I'm sorry, Sandi--no more posts until I've downed at least two coffs
of cuppee! <G>
Anne/OH
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:11:08 -0400, Anne Carle <acarle@munge.com>
wrote:
>On 21 Oct 2004 11:36:36 GMT, sanditypes@aol.comshazbot (SANDITYPES)
>wrote:
>
>
>It certainly isn't surprising, but it's interesting! <G> Considering
>the polarity of peoples' opinions about Clinton, his endorsement of
>Kerry could have a negative effect, even though his endorsement
>certainly would be (was) expected.
>
>Anne/OH
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| Gdubson 2004-10-21, 11:07 am |
| >Well, it's hardly shocking that the former Democratic president would "come
>out" in support of the Democratic candidate.
>
>Sandi
That he would leave his hospital bed to assist his party is not at all
suprising. Good for him!
Gisele
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| Susan Mitchell 2004-10-21, 11:07 am |
| Gees, Louise, I thought you were talking about the Red Sox when I saw the
title. How cool is that. I so-o-o wanted them to spank them yankees! and
they did it!!
--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
(to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
"Chuck" <clm701@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10neo70nck8unec@corp.supernews.com...
> Heard this on the radio this afternoon.
>
> Former president Bill Clinton having been cleared by his doctors is about
to
> really shake things up a bit. This coming Monday Oct 25th, he is going to
> have a press conference where he will announce his full support and
backing
> of Sen. Kerry, and will begin campaigning on his behalf.
>
> Wow!! Just when I thought things could not possibly get any more
exciting!!!
>
> How is Bush going to deal with this???
>
> With Clinton's huge fan base, support and political genius, this election
is
> going to be off the hook.
>
> WOW!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
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| Phyllis 2004-10-21, 11:07 am |
| But won't that hurt Kerry with those who think Clinton is a liar and a
cheat?
SANDITYPES wrote:
>
> Well, it's hardly shocking that the former Democratic president would "come
> out" in support of the Democratic candidate.
>
> Sandi
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| Gdubson 2004-10-21, 11:07 am |
| >It certainly isn't surprising, but it's interesting! <G> Considering
>the polarity of peoples' opinions about Clinton, his endorsement of
>Kerry could have a negative effect,
That's what you're hoping.
Gisele
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| RaeMorrill 2004-10-21, 11:07 am |
| >Well, it's hardly shocking that the former Democratic president would "come
>out" in support of the Democratic candidate.
>
I think she was just amazed considering he just underwent major surgery
involving cracking open his chest.
Rae Morrill in Maine
"Ya can't get theyuh from heeah"
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| Gdubson 2004-10-21, 11:07 am |
| >But won't that hurt Kerry with those who think Clinton is a liar and a
>cheat?
They are voting for Kerry, not for Clinton. IF they left the Democratic party
because of what Clinton did, then I don't think it much matters either way.
Gisele
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|
| Yes, heard this on Monday...Clinton will be (where else!) in Philadelphia
next week to start stomping for Kerry.
"Chuck" <clm701@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10neo70nck8unec@corp.supernews.com...
> Heard this on the radio this afternoon.
>
> Former president Bill Clinton having been cleared by his doctors is about
to
> really shake things up a bit. This coming Monday Oct 25th, he is going to
> have a press conference where he will announce his full support and
backing
> of Sen. Kerry, and will begin campaigning on his behalf.
>
> Wow!! Just when I thought things could not possibly get any more
exciting!!!
>
> How is Bush going to deal with this???
>
> With Clinton's huge fan base, support and political genius, this election
is
> going to be off the hook.
>
> WOW!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
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| Anne Carle 2004-10-21, 11:07 am |
| On 21 Oct 2004 13:35:06 GMT, gdubson@aol.comnospam (Gdubson) wrote:
>
>That's what you're hoping.
>
>Gisele
No, I don't hope that at all--I'm merely commenting that his support
is a double-edged sword since he's been such a controversial figure in
the White House.
Anne/OH
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| SANDITYPES 2004-10-21, 11:07 am |
| >I just read my own post (very bottom) and looked at the quoted parts
>of the message as well--no wonder there has been confusion about
>posts--I should have snipped! At first glance (but not with scrutiny)
>it appears Sandi said something she, in fact, did not say.
>
>I'm sorry, Sandi--no more posts until I've downed at least two coffs
>of cuppee! <G>
>
>Anne/OH
>
>On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:11:08 -0400, Anne Carle <acarle@munge.com>
>wrote:
>
No problem, Anne! It happened last night, too, on another thread, but I
figured folks would figure it out. 
Sandi
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| SANDITYPES 2004-10-21, 11:07 am |
| >>Well, it's hardly shocking that the former Democratic president would "come
>
>That he would leave his hospital bed to assist his party is not at all
>suprising. Good for him!
>
>Gisele
>
His hospital bed? What happened to the mile walks he started taking a couple
of days after his surgery?
Sandi
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| Gdubson 2004-10-21, 7:08 pm |
| >No, I don't hope that at all--I'm merely commenting that his support
>is a double-edged sword since he's been such a controversial figure in
>the White House.
>
>Anne/OH
>
I don't view him that way. You're just trying to make him into a liability
when in fact he has been a great fundraiser for the Dems.
Gisele
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| Gdubson 2004-10-21, 7:08 pm |
| >His hospital bed? What happened to the mile walks he started taking a couple
>of days after his surgery?
>
>Sandi
Oh, excuse me for not being up on Clinton's rehab! Anything serious you would
like to discuss?
Gisele
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| Jeannie H Wilson 2004-10-21, 7:08 pm |
| >Oh, excuse me for not being up on Clinton's rehab! Anything serious you
>would
>like to discuss?
Goodness - why so defensive about a clarification. I realize things get heated
but ...it was a clarification of your statement.
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| djgordon 2004-10-21, 7:09 pm |
| 'Cause she gets defensive every time she's proven wrong--oh wait a minute,
she's always defensive, what does that mean? Yes, I know I'm being petty,
some days I just can't help myself.
Dani
"Jeannie H Wilson" <jeanniehwilson@aol.comnonospam> wrote in message
news:20041021125844.18603.00002925@mb-m07.aol.com...
>
> Goodness - why so defensive about a clarification. I realize things get
heated
> but ...it was a clarification of your statement.
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| Brenda C. Nygren 2004-10-21, 7:09 pm |
| Please add some "in my opinions". Clinton has a huge fan base? Gag me.
Not in my neck of the woods.
Chuck wrote:
> Heard this on the radio this afternoon.
>
> Former president Bill Clinton having been cleared by his doctors is about to
> really shake things up a bit. This coming Monday Oct 25th, he is going to
> have a press conference where he will announce his full support and backing
> of Sen. Kerry, and will begin campaigning on his behalf.
>
> Wow!! Just when I thought things could not possibly get any more exciting!!!
>
> How is Bush going to deal with this???
>
> With Clinton's huge fan base, support and political genius, this election is
> going to be off the hook.
>
> WOW!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
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| Anne Carle 2004-10-21, 7:09 pm |
| On 21 Oct 2004 16:46:39 GMT, gdubson@aol.comnospam (Gdubson) wrote:
>
>I don't view him that way. You're just trying to make him into a liability
>when in fact he has been a great fundraiser for the Dems.
>
>Gisele
Projecting what you suppose are people's motives is very subjective,
illogical thinking! I am not trying to "make him into a liability."
His actions in the White House made him controversial. Whenever you
have a nationally controversial figure supporting you, it's a
double-edged sword--it will work for you with some voters and work
against you with others.
What part don't you agree with? That he was controversial? That his
alliance with Kerry won't make a difference (measured in votes) to
voters? I don't question that he's a good fundraiser--that isn't even
relevant to what I said.
You say you don't have a reading comprehension problem, but you do
have a real obvious problem--you project your thinking into other
people's words and often come away with an understanding that is
totally off mark. When people (even the author!) point it out to you,
you still insist they said what you thought they said.
I'll give you this--you are the poster child for the maxim,
"Perception is truth." You do an excellent job of taking it to the
ultimate level.
You're welcome! <G>
Anne/OH
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| Anne Carle 2004-10-21, 7:09 pm |
| When I read that original post I had no idea if it was serious or
sarcastic. I still don't! LOL!
Anne/OH
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:33:05 GMT, "Brenda C. Nygren"
<bcnygren@epix.net> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Please add some "in my opinions". Clinton has a huge fan base? Gag me.
> Not in my neck of the woods.
>
>Chuck wrote:
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| Gdubson 2004-10-21, 7:09 pm |
| >Projecting what you suppose are people's motives is very subjective,
>illogical thinking! I am not trying to "make him into a liability."
Yes, you are.
gisele
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| Gdubson 2004-10-24, 4:07 am |
| >It certainly isn't surprising, but it's interesting! <G> Considering
>the polarity of peoples' opinions about Clinton, his endorsement of
>Kerry could have a negative effect,
That's what you're hoping.
Gisele
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| Anne Carle 2004-10-26, 11:08 am |
| On 21 Oct 2004 11:36:36 GMT, sanditypes@aol.comshazbot (SANDITYPES)
wrote:
>Well, it's hardly shocking that the former Democratic president would "come
>out" in support of the Democratic candidate.
>
>Sandi
It certainly isn't surprising, but it's interesting! <G> Considering
the polarity of peoples' opinions about Clinton, his endorsement of
Kerry could have a negative effect, even though his endorsement
certainly would be (was) expected.
Anne/OH
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| Anne Carle 2004-10-26, 11:08 am |
| I just read my own post (very bottom) and looked at the quoted parts
of the message as well--no wonder there has been confusion about
posts--I should have snipped! At first glance (but not with scrutiny)
it appears Sandi said something she, in fact, did not say.
I'm sorry, Sandi--no more posts until I've downed at least two coffs
of cuppee! <G>
Anne/OH
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:11:08 -0400, Anne Carle <acarle@munge.com>
wrote:
>On 21 Oct 2004 11:36:36 GMT, sanditypes@aol.comshazbot (SANDITYPES)
>wrote:
>
>
>It certainly isn't surprising, but it's interesting! <G> Considering
>the polarity of peoples' opinions about Clinton, his endorsement of
>Kerry could have a negative effect, even though his endorsement
>certainly would be (was) expected.
>
>Anne/OH
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| Anne Carle 2004-10-26, 7:17 pm |
| On 21 Oct 2004 13:35:06 GMT, gdubson@aol.comnospam (Gdubson) wrote:
>
>That's what you're hoping.
>
>Gisele
No, I don't hope that at all--I'm merely commenting that his support
is a double-edged sword since he's been such a controversial figure in
the White House.
Anne/OH
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| RaeMorrill 2004-10-26, 7:17 pm |
| >Well, it's hardly shocking that the former Democratic president would "come
>out" in support of the Democratic candidate.
>
I think she was just amazed considering he just underwent major surgery
involving cracking open his chest.
Rae Morrill in Maine
"Ya can't get theyuh from heeah"
_______________________________
Spam mailers WILL be reported to their respective postmasters and AOL TOSSPAM!
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| Gdubson 2004-10-26, 7:17 pm |
| >Well, it's hardly shocking that the former Democratic president would "come
>out" in support of the Democratic candidate.
>
>Sandi
That he would leave his hospital bed to assist his party is not at all
suprising. Good for him!
Gisele
| |
| SANDITYPES 2004-10-26, 7:17 pm |
| >I just read my own post (very bottom) and looked at the quoted parts
>of the message as well--no wonder there has been confusion about
>posts--I should have snipped! At first glance (but not with scrutiny)
>it appears Sandi said something she, in fact, did not say.
>
>I'm sorry, Sandi--no more posts until I've downed at least two coffs
>of cuppee! <G>
>
>Anne/OH
>
>On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:11:08 -0400, Anne Carle <acarle@munge.com>
>wrote:
>
No problem, Anne! It happened last night, too, on another thread, but I
figured folks would figure it out.
Sandi
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| Gdubson 2004-10-26, 7:17 pm |
| >No, I don't hope that at all--I'm merely commenting that his support
>is a double-edged sword since he's been such a controversial figure in
>the White House.
>
>Anne/OH
>
I don't view him that way. You're just trying to make him into a liability
when in fact he has been a great fundraiser for the Dems.
Gisele
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| Jeannie H Wilson 2004-10-26, 7:17 pm |
| >Oh, excuse me for not being up on Clinton's rehab! Anything serious you
>would
>like to discuss?
Goodness - why so defensive about a clarification. I realize things get heated
but ...it was a clarification of your statement.
| |
| SANDITYPES 2004-10-26, 7:17 pm |
| >>Well, it's hardly shocking that the former Democratic president would "come
>
>That he would leave his hospital bed to assist his party is not at all
>suprising. Good for him!
>
>Gisele
>
His hospital bed? What happened to the mile walks he started taking a couple
of days after his surgery?
Sandi
| |
| Gdubson 2004-10-26, 7:17 pm |
| >His hospital bed? What happened to the mile walks he started taking a couple
>of days after his surgery?
>
>Sandi
Oh, excuse me for not being up on Clinton's rehab! Anything serious you would
like to discuss?
Gisele
| |
| Anne Carle 2004-10-26, 7:17 pm |
| On 21 Oct 2004 16:46:39 GMT, gdubson@aol.comnospam (Gdubson) wrote:
>
>I don't view him that way. You're just trying to make him into a liability
>when in fact he has been a great fundraiser for the Dems.
>
>Gisele
Projecting what you suppose are people's motives is very subjective,
illogical thinking! I am not trying to "make him into a liability."
His actions in the White House made him controversial. Whenever you
have a nationally controversial figure supporting you, it's a
double-edged sword--it will work for you with some voters and work
against you with others.
What part don't you agree with? That he was controversial? That his
alliance with Kerry won't make a difference (measured in votes) to
voters? I don't question that he's a good fundraiser--that isn't even
relevant to what I said.
You say you don't have a reading comprehension problem, but you do
have a real obvious problem--you project your thinking into other
people's words and often come away with an understanding that is
totally off mark. When people (even the author!) point it out to you,
you still insist they said what you thought they said.
I'll give you this--you are the poster child for the maxim,
"Perception is truth." You do an excellent job of taking it to the
ultimate level.
You're welcome! <G>
Anne/OH
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| Gdubson 2004-10-26, 7:18 pm |
| >Projecting what you suppose are people's motives is very subjective,
>illogical thinking! I am not trying to "make him into a liability."
Yes, you are.
gisele
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| Marsha 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| Gdubson wrote:
> That he would leave his hospital bed to assist his party is not at all
> suprising. Good for him!
>
> Gisele
Give me a break. He's seven weeks out from surgery. He was
relatively young and did not have many other co-morbidities
prior to surgery. Obviously no postop complications. He
didn't exactly leave his hospital bed to campaign. We
discharge patients like that to resume all normal activities
six weeks after surgery.
Marsha/Ohio
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| Gdubson 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| >Give me a break. He's seven weeks out from surgery. He was
>relatively young and did not have many other co-morbidities
>prior to surgery. Obviously no postop complications. He
>didn't exactly leave his hospital bed to campaign. We
>discharge patients like that to resume all normal activities
>six weeks after surgery.
>
>Marsha/Ohio
>
Personally, I think it's great of him to be campaigning, I'm sure it's hard
work. I'm not surprised that you won't give him any credit for that.
Gisele
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| Marsha 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| djgordon wrote:
> 'Cause she gets defensive every time she's proven wrong--oh wait a minute,
> she's always defensive, what does that mean? Yes, I know I'm being petty,
> some days I just can't help myself.
>
> Dani
In defense of Gisele (don't know why), she's a good sparring
partner. She knows her stuff and doesn't go off on the deep
end. And she doesn't change her mind based on popular
opinion. Wow, sounds like Bush (VBG)
Marsha/Ohio
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| Marsha 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| RaeMorrill wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I think she was just amazed considering he just underwent major surgery
> involving cracking open his chest.
Believe it or not, our patients complain that the leg and
arm incisions are more painful than the median sternotomy.
Cracking open the chest doesn't bother them much at all.
BTW, his surgery was seven weeks ago. The sternum is
considered fully healed at that time and patients are
released to return to full activities.
Marsha/Ohio
| |
| Gdubson 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| >In defense of Gisele (don't know why), she's a good sparring
>partner. She knows her stuff and doesn't go off on the deep
>end. And she doesn't change her mind based on popular
>opinion. Wow, sounds like Bush (VBG)
>
>Marsha/Ohio
Unlike Bush, however, I know how to say the word "nuclear." (Sorry, I couldn't
resist!)
Gisele
| |
| Gdubson 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| >The sternum is
>considered fully healed at that time and patients are
>released to return to full activities.
>
>Marsha/Ohio
I know this is a personal question, but have you ever had your chest cracked?
Gisele
| |
| Marsha 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| Gdubson wrote:
> Unlike Bush, however, I know how to say the word "nuclear." (Sorry, I couldn't
> resist!)
Repeat after me...nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular. You
are getting verrrryyy sleeepppyy....
Marsha/Ohio
| |
| Marsha 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| Gdubson wrote:
>
> Personally, I think it's great of him to be campaigning, I'm sure it's hard
> work. I'm not surprised that you won't give him any credit for that.
> Gisele
Just pointing out that he's not "leaving his hospital bed"
to campaign. The man is fully recovered (physically if not
mentally).
Marsha/Ohio
| |
| Gdubson 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| >Repeat after me...nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular. You
>are getting verrrryyy sleeepppyy....
>
>Marsha/Ohio
>
>
No, stop .... zzzzz!
Gisele
| |
| Marsha 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| Gdubson wrote:
>
> No, stop .... zzzzz!
Now hold that zzzzzz until after the elections! I'll get
all of you evil demcratic people eventually.
Marsha/Ohio
| |
| Marsha 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| Gdubson wrote:
>
>
> I know this is a personal question, but have you ever had your chest cracked?
>
> Gisele
No. I work for a group of cardiothoracic surgeons. I do
all their transcription, maintain their national database,
and do research for our PhD for articles to be written in
journals. Median sternotomy incisions are almost never a
problem with pain, unless you are very young and very muscular.
Marsha/Ohio
| |
| Gdubson 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| >Now hold that zzzzzz until after the elections! I'll get
>all of you evil demcratic people eventually.
>
>Marsha/Ohio
>
Nope!
Gisele (putting on a pot of coffee now)
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| Gdubson 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| >No. I work for a group of cardiothoracic surgeons. I do
>all their transcription, maintain their national database,
>and do research for our PhD for articles to be written in
>journals. Median sternotomy incisions are almost never a
>problem with pain, unless you are very young and very muscular.
>
>Marsha/Ohio
Great, but please don't diminish what this guy has gone through.
Gisele
| |
| djgordon 2004-10-26, 10:07 pm |
| My mom had hers in October of '96 and it still hurts and she (at the time)
was in very good shape with no problems (that we knew of at the time). She
also had the leg incision and she said it only hurt for a few days.
Dani
"Marsha" <mas@sev.org> wrote in message
news:h-WdnTo4efqenOLcRVn-hw@buckeye-express.com...
> Gdubson wrote:
>
cracked?[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> No. I work for a group of cardiothoracic surgeons. I do
> all their transcription, maintain their national database,
> and do research for our PhD for articles to be written in
> journals. Median sternotomy incisions are almost never a
> problem with pain, unless you are very young and very muscular.
>
> Marsha/Ohio
>
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| RaeMorrill 2004-10-27, 2:07 am |
| > Median sternotomy incisions are almost never a[vbcol=seagreen]
I can't imagine that having your rib cage cut wide open doesn't leave some
discomfort for some time even just with breathing.
Rae Morrill in Maine
"Ya can't get theyuh from heeah"
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Spam mailers WILL be reported to their respective postmasters and AOL TOSSPAM!
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| Marsha 2004-10-27, 7:09 pm |
| Gdubson wrote:
>
>
> Great, but please don't diminish what this guy has gone through.
>
> Gisele
Gisele, I would never do that and frankly I'm not sure where
that idea came from. My brother (at age 47) and my mother
(at age 74) went through open-heart surgery and both came
through with flying colors. Being an insider, I know
exactly what the risks are. I was trying to relate the fact
that the point of open-heart surgery is to get people back
to or better than their baseline preop level, which 99.5% of
patients in Bill's category achieve. Six to seven weeks out
from surgery is the norm for full recovery. And it is true
that almost none of our patients complain of sternal pain.
It's worse than it sounds, apparently. The big problem for
most of them is getting back to their regular eating and
sleeping patterns.
Marsha/Ohio
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| Marsha 2004-10-27, 7:09 pm |
| RaeMorrill wrote:
>
>
> I can't imagine that having your rib cage cut wide open doesn't leave some
> discomfort for some time even just with breathing.
That's what pain meds are for, but a lot of our patients
don't even take those. Most patients don't remember the
first day or so. Sometimes it is painful if the surgeon
uses the LIMA and RIMA, because they have to cut down on
both sides once they're in. And, as I said before, it's
usually only painful if you are young and male (more muscle)
and/or have a large barrel chest. What is infinitely more
painful is the minimally invasive surgery where they go
through the side. That sometimes takes months to go away
and even then we sometimes have to refer them to the pain
clinic.
Marsha/Ohio
| |
| Marsha 2004-10-27, 7:09 pm |
| djgordon wrote:
> My mom had hers in October of '96 and it still hurts and she (at the time)
> was in very good shape with no problems (that we knew of at the time). She
> also had the leg incision and she said it only hurt for a few days.
>
> Dani
Not knowing her specific circumstances or what her doctors
have already told her, I can't tell you why she still hurts
after eight years, but that's definitely not normal.
Marsha/Ohio
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| Gdubson 2004-10-27, 7:09 pm |
| >It certainly isn't surprising, but it's interesting! <G> Considering
>the polarity of peoples' opinions about Clinton, his endorsement of
>Kerry could have a negative effect,
That's what you're hoping.
Gisele
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| Chuck 2004-10-27, 10:08 pm |
| You gotta give ol' Bubba his due, cause is actually one very tough man.
Remember back when he had his knee surgery, a very evasive procedure that
was general only, but he requested a spinal cause he wanted to be awake to
watch the surgery.
"Marsha" <mas@sev.org> wrote in message
news:w6SdnfcixKCjsh3cRVn-sA@buckeye-express.com...
RaeMorrill wrote:
>
>
> I can't imagine that having your rib cage cut wide open doesn't leave some
> discomfort for some time even just with breathing.
That's what pain meds are for, but a lot of our patients
don't even take those. Most patients don't remember the
first day or so. Sometimes it is painful if the surgeon
uses the LIMA and RIMA, because they have to cut down on
both sides once they're in. And, as I said before, it's
usually only painful if you are young and male (more muscle)
and/or have a large barrel chest. What is infinitely more
painful is the minimally invasive surgery where they go
through the side. That sometimes takes months to go away
and even then we sometimes have to refer them to the pain
clinic.
Marsha/Ohio
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| Jeannie H Wilson 2004-10-27, 10:09 pm |
| >Remember back when he had his knee surgery, a very evasive procedure that
>was general only, but he requested a spinal cause he wanted to be awake to
>watch the surgery.
>
Well, women are awake all the time during their C-sections. I know of many
women who were never knocked out the way they used to do them. I think it is
about time a man started staying awake for something LOL!
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| Phyllis 2004-10-28, 4:06 am |
| Our pastor's wife was with her husband as a missionary in Africa when
she became pregnant. For whatever reason, she had a C-section without
anesthetic (until the baby was removed). I just looked at her with my
mouth hanging open when she mentioned it. I can't imagine the pain.
Jeannie H Wilson wrote:
>
> Well, women are awake all the time during their C-sections. I know of many
> women who were never knocked out the way they used to do them. I think it is
> about time a man started staying awake for something LOL!
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| Sassie 2004-10-28, 11:07 am |
| >>
>
>
My hubby is getting a vasectomy the week of Thanksgiving and during his
consult
they told him to be there 30 minutes early and they gave him a script
for a couple
Valium to take when he walks into the office. He said "I am going to
get anesthesia
right? I'm not going to have this done with just a couple of Valium for
pain right?"
Of course they assured him that the Valium was just to relax him before
they give him
the local. He said "LOCAL??? You mean I will be awake while you cut on
my testicles?"
LMAO He told him, again, that they are not going to cut his testicles.
He said "I want
to be knocked out." The Dr. said "We only do that to remove both
testicles." (He was
joking.) My husband paused and said "I'll give you one testicle if you
knock me out."
What a weenie!!!!! I've had 2 c-sections, a gastric bypass, a small
bowel obstruction
repair and an open cholecystectomy and he is complaining about a 2 inch
incision on his
scrotum. MEN! LOL
Sassie
--
American by birth.
Southern by the grace of God.
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| RaeMorrill 2004-10-28, 11:07 am |
| >Our pastor's wife was with her husband as a missionary in Africa when
>she became pregnant. For whatever reason, she had a C-section without
>anesthetic (until the baby wa
I hope it wasn't some wacky reason like God means women to suffer in
childbirth. My mother told me a German friend of hers felt that way (though it
wasn't a C/S).
Rae Morrill in Maine
"Ya can't get theyuh from heeah"
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| Becky Young 2004-10-28, 11:07 am |
| >he is complaining about a 2 inch
>incision on his
>scrotum. MEN! LOL
My husband and I went to the office of a urologist who was the best friend of
my boss, somebody we saw all the time here and there but had never before had
occasion to use as a doctor.
DH said the worst part of the whole day was seeing that goofy b****** heading
toward his boy stuff with a huge needle.
He had the procedure, went home and cut a load of wood that afternoon - I, on
the other hand, lay down on the couch with a cool cloth on my head.
Becky Young
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| Phyllis 2004-10-28, 11:07 am |
| No, I think it was because they were in a very isolated place and I
don't think they had anyone who knew how to administer it properly. I
know it was very isolated and they lived with the natives. Knowing my
pastor's wife (we worked at the same hospital), she probably felt that
if God had wanted us to continue to suffer, He wouldn't have allowed
anesthesia to be invented.
RaeMorrill wrote:
> I hope it wasn't some wacky reason like God means women to suffer in
> childbirth. My mother told me a German friend of hers felt that way (though it
> wasn't a C/S).
>
> Rae Morrill in Maine
> "Ya can't get theyuh from heeah"
> _______________________________
> Spam mailers WILL be reported to their respective postmasters and AOL TOSSPAM!
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| Marsha 2004-10-31, 2:08 am |
| djgordon wrote:
> My mom had hers in October of '96 and it still hurts and she (at the time)
> was in very good shape with no problems (that we knew of at the time). She
> also had the leg incision and she said it only hurt for a few days.
>
> Dani
Not knowing her specific circumstances or what her doctors
have already told her, I can't tell you why she still hurts
after eight years, but that's definitely not normal.
Marsha/Ohio
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| Marsha 2004-10-31, 4:08 am |
| djgordon wrote:
> 'Cause she gets defensive every time she's proven wrong--oh wait a minute,
> she's always defensive, what does that mean? Yes, I know I'm being petty,
> some days I just can't help myself.
>
> Dani
In defense of Gisele (don't know why), she's a good sparring
partner. She knows her stuff and doesn't go off on the deep
end. And she doesn't change her mind based on popular
opinion. Wow, sounds like Bush (VBG)
Marsha/Ohio
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| Gdubson 2004-10-31, 4:08 am |
| >In defense of Gisele (don't know why), she's a good sparring
>partner. She knows her stuff and doesn't go off on the deep
>end. And she doesn't change her mind based on popular
>opinion. Wow, sounds like Bush (VBG)
>
>Marsha/Ohio
Unlike Bush, however, I know how to say the word "nuclear." (Sorry, I couldn't
resist!)
Gisele
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| Marsha 2004-10-31, 4:08 am |
| Gdubson wrote:
> Unlike Bush, however, I know how to say the word "nuclear." (Sorry, I couldn't
> resist!)
Repeat after me...nucular, nucular, nucular, nucular. You
are getting verrrryyy sleeepppyy....
Marsha/Ohio
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| Marsha 2004-10-31, 4:08 am |
| Gdubson wrote:
>
>
> I know this is a personal question, but have you ever had your chest cracked?
>
> Gisele
No. I work for a group of cardiothoracic surgeons. I do
all their transcription, maintain their national database,
and do research for our PhD for articles to be written in
journals. Median sternotomy incisions are almost never a
problem with pain, unless you are very young and very muscular.
Marsha/Ohio
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| Gdubson 2004-10-31, 4:08 am |
| >Now hold that zzzzzz until after the elections! I'll get
>all of you evil demcratic people eventually.
>
>Marsha/Ohio
>
Nope!
Gisele (putting on a pot of coffee now)
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| Marsha 2004-10-31, 4:08 am |
| RaeMorrill wrote:
>
>
> I can't imagine that having your rib cage cut wide open doesn't leave some
> discomfort for some time even just with breathing.
That's what pain meds are for, but a lot of our patients
don't even take those. Most patients don't remember the
first day or so. Sometimes it is painful if the surgeon
uses the LIMA and RIMA, because they have to cut down on
both sides once they're in. And, as I said before, it's
usually only painful if you are young and male (more muscle)
and/or have a large barrel chest. What is infinitely more
painful is the minimally invasive surgery where they go
through the side. That sometimes takes months to go away
and even then we sometimes have to refer them to the pain
clinic.
Marsha/Ohio
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