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| jim@xtern.com 2004-08-03, 8:22 pm |
| what are the possible risks of eating raw fish, and in particular raw tuna?
how likely are these problems? what are symptoms? Thanks in advance!
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| Graham Shepherd 2004-08-03, 8:22 pm |
| <jim@xtern.com> wrote in message
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> what are the possible risks of eating raw fish, and in particular raw
tuna?
> how likely are these problems? what are symptoms? Thanks in advance!
There are some bacterial pathogens you could encounter - Vibrio
(parahaemolyticus I think) and I believe there's a type of botulism (type
E?) associated with fish - although you're more likely to envcounter that
with improperly treated canned fish. Filter feeding shellfish may have
interesting viruses that do them no harm but make your life uncomfortable
for a while. Just don't eat anything that's downstream of a sewage outlet...
GS
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| Jonathan E. \(NZ\) 2004-08-03, 8:22 pm |
| If the fish is fresh then go for it.
Fish should not smell "fishy" when it is fresh.
Good sushi/sashimi bars will have their fish delivered a number of times a
day in chill packs and it will be very fresh. If there is not a noticeable
number of Japanese customers frequenting the place then most likely it ain't
serving good fresh fish.
If preparing raw fish at home then buy WHOLE fish (where practical - a whole
tuna might be a bit much !!) and make sure the eyes are bulbous and not
sunken in. Sunken eyes = unfresh.
Gut and fillet the fish yourself and voila... you have real fresh fish.
Get some info on preparing sushi so that you can learn how to cut the fish
in the correct direction (across the grain) so that the fish "melts in your
mouth" when you eat it. Cut the wrong way and it will seem tougher and more
chewy.
Raw fish is great. It's the only way I will eat fish generally.
Be mindful that farmed salmon is not particularly good for you (loads of
antibiotics and other toxic crap in it)... best to buy certified organic
salmon or WILD salmon.
Regards,
Jonathan
www.inspirednutritionals.com
www.thyroidhealthsolutions.com
<jim@xtern.com> wrote in message
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> what are the possible risks of eating raw fish, and in particular raw
tuna?
> how likely are these problems? what are symptoms? Thanks in advance!
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| Alf Christophersen 2004-08-03, 8:22 pm |
| On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:32:08 +0000 (UTC), "Graham Shepherd"
<muhero.nospam@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>There are some bacterial pathogens you could encounter - Vibrio
>(parahaemolyticus I think) and I believe there's a type of botulism (type
>E?) associated with fish - although you're more likely to envcounter that
>with improperly treated canned fish. Filter feeding shellfish may have
>interesting viruses that do them no harm but make your life uncomfortable
>for a while. Just don't eat anything that's downstream of a sewage outlet...
Mackerel often contain parasites that invade your muscles and give you
a longlasting pain. But they are killed by freezing the fish for at
least one day, so if you prepare a raw dish of mackerel, always store
it in the freezer for at least one day before preparing like cured
mackerel.
Mussels may filter some kind of algae that may produce toxins. One of
them are quite lethal. So almost whole year, mussel picking is banned
here in Norway :-( (When I was a child 45 years ago people never
heard about such problems, but now Kattegat/Skagerak is filled up with
sewage and toxic waste products from German industry, and also from
other countries (our nearest poison-spewing fiord is the Frier Fjord
outside Porsgrunn/Skien where Norsk Hydro has had many industrial
plants spewing out mercury, PCB's and many other waiste products,
poisoning fish, at least in the Frier fjord, but also giving toxic
problems along the Sørlandet coast :-( And lot of phosphor in water
and other organical nutrients gives blowups of algaes, some of them
lethal to fish, and if mussels eat these algaes, they become deadly
toxic to us. Fortunately, the whole coast is monitored on a daily
basis, and all fiords has their own report perhaps weekly in local
newspapers stating whether it is safe or unsafe to eat freeliving
mussels. Industrial production happen in basins where algae is
filtered away and all batches are monitored and toxic batches are all
thrown, so conserved mussels should be safe to eat.
I have experienced one poisoning episode being not lethal, but gave
the worst aching intestines pain I ever have experienced, far worse
than appendicites :-(
After 5 or 6 enemas the pain started to decline :-)
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| Rodney Kelp 2004-08-03, 8:22 pm |
| You have to be a complete idiot to eat raw fish. You could screw up your
body for life with worms and parasites.
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> what are the possible risks of eating raw fish, and in particular raw
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> how likely are these problems? what are symptoms? Thanks in advance!
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| John de Hoog 2004-08-03, 8:22 pm |
| "Rodney Kelp" <rodneykelp605@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You have to be a complete idiot to eat raw fish. You could screw up your
> body for life with worms and parasites.
110 million Japanese would be interested to hear more about this, I'm sure.
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| Pizza Gurl 2004-08-03, 8:22 pm |
| I think the acid levels in my stomache doesn't allow too many micro
organisms to live too long.
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> "Rodney Kelp" <rodneykelp605@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> 110 million Japanese would be interested to hear more about this, I'm
sure.
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| Robert 2004-08-03, 8:22 pm |
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"Pizza Gurl" <gbusey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I think the acid levels in my stomache doesn't allow too many micro
> organisms to live too long.
A lot of parasites are transmitted via the oral route. The Giant fish
tapeworm is a good example and is known as the largest of the tape worms.
People with altered immune status such as those with liver disease etc
should not eat raw shellfish as the bacteria can be deadly. Stomach acid has
got zero to do with it.
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> "John de Hoog" <dehoog@nifty.com> wrote in message
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| Rodney Kelp 2004-08-03, 8:22 pm |
| It's mainly the Japs that get the stomach worms and other intestine eating
parasites.
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> "Rodney Kelp" <rodneykelp605@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> 110 million Japanese would be interested to hear more about this, I'm
sure.
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| Rodney Kelp 2004-08-03, 8:22 pm |
| It's not the microorganisms, it's the little animals.
"Pizza Gurl" <gbusey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I think the acid levels in my stomache doesn't allow too many micro
> organisms to live too long.
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> "John de Hoog" <dehoog@nifty.com> wrote in message
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| Pizza Gurl 2004-08-03, 8:22 pm |
| Is that why their hair never greys?
"Rodney Kelp" <rodneykelp605@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It's mainly the Japs that get the stomach worms and other intestine eating
> parasites.
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> "John de Hoog" <dehoog@nifty.com> wrote in message
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| Tim Tyler 2004-08-03, 8:22 pm |
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E.g. Anisakis anaphylaxis:
``Fewer than 10 cases are diagnosed in the U.S. annually.
However, it is suspected that many other cases go undetected.
The disease is transmitted by raw, undercooked or insufficiently
frozen fish and shellfish, and its incidence is expected to increase
with the increasing popularity of sushi and sashimi bars.''
- http://www.somersetmedicalcenter.com/15133.cfm
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