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| dr shad j lewis (via google) 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
| For the record, I'm getting a little upset every time I hear from a
patient, "I hate the dentist."
It sometimes makes me think that I've chosen the wrong profession.
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| dr shad j lewis (via google) 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
| My thoughts are more in order about this. Correct me if I'm wrong in
any way.
The other week, I had a patient in my office and he was from Africa -
some 3rd world country. He had a tooth ache, and the tooth needed to
come out.
After I removed the tooth, he thanked me and I asked him if it hurt at
all (as I was doing through the procedure). He said, Yes, but it was
berable. He continued, any amount of tolerable pain was worth it to
rid me of weeks to months of pain. We don't have dentists where I'm
from, and this tooth would have continued to cause me grief.
It got me thinking. When people tell me, "I hate the dentist" I really
take offense to that. I spent years in school, thousands of dollars to
help people in a way I enjoy helping them.
It really makes one feel unappreciated.
Which takes me to the point, that some people here just don't know how
good they have it.
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| Mark & Steven Bornfeld 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
| dr shad j lewis (via google) wrote:
> For the record, I'm getting a little upset every time I hear from a
> patient, "I hate the dentist."
>
> It sometimes makes me think that I've chosen the wrong profession.
>
You must be joking!
When I was young and single, I only noticed when young attractive women
would say "Nothing personal, but..."
I used to check my breath a lot.
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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| Mark & Steven Bornfeld 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
| dr shad j lewis (via google) wrote:
> My thoughts are more in order about this. Correct me if I'm wrong in
> any way.
>
> The other week, I had a patient in my office and he was from Africa -
> some 3rd world country. He had a tooth ache, and the tooth needed to
> come out.
>
> After I removed the tooth, he thanked me and I asked him if it hurt at
> all (as I was doing through the procedure). He said, Yes, but it was
> berable. He continued, any amount of tolerable pain was worth it to
> rid me of weeks to months of pain. We don't have dentists where I'm
> from, and this tooth would have continued to cause me grief.
>
> It got me thinking. When people tell me, "I hate the dentist" I really
> take offense to that. I spent years in school, thousands of dollars to
> help people in a way I enjoy helping them.
>
> It really makes one feel unappreciated.
>
> Which takes me to the point, that some people here just don't know how
> good they have it.
>
That's a given. Probably you have it good too. Difference is, you
probably know it.
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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| Jorge Bonilla 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
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dr shad j lewis (via google) wrote:
> For the record, I'm getting a little upset every time I hear from a
> patient, "I hate the dentist."
>
> It sometimes makes me think that I've chosen the wrong profession.
Put up a small sign that says "People who hate dentists will be charged
extra". That should be the end of the problem.
Jorge Bonilla DMD
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| carabelli 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
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"dr shad j lewis (via google)" <shadlewis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> For the record, I'm getting a little upset every time I hear from a
> patient, "I hate the dentist."
>
> It sometimes makes me think that I've chosen the wrong profession.
>
Most of the time it means "I'm scared of the dentist"
And that is because of what someone has told them, or they had a crummy,
uncaring dentist. Then they avoid visits until there's a problem that could
have been treated comfortably if they had come in sooner.
carabelli
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| Vaughn 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
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"carabelli" <huerter@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Most of the time it means "I'm scared of the dentist"
>
> And that is because of what someone has told them, or they had a crummy,
> uncaring dentist. Then they avoid visits until there's a problem that could
> have been treated comfortably if they had come in sooner.
Well, I have never run into a proctoligist that I would classify as
"crummy" or "uncaring", and they certainly don't scare me, but still...
Vaughn
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| Vaughn 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
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"Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote in message
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> Well, I have never run into a proctoligist that I would classify as
> "crummy" or "uncaring", and they certainly don't scare me, but still...
Omigosh! I just took another look at the title of this thread.
>
> Vaughn
>
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| LadyLollipop 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
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"dr shad j lewis (via google)" <shadlewis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126567363.724408.325320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> My thoughts are more in order about this. Correct me if I'm wrong in
> any way.
>
> The other week, I had a patient in my office and he was from Africa -
> some 3rd world country. He had a tooth ache, and the tooth needed to
> come out.
>
> After I removed the tooth, he thanked me and I asked him if it hurt at
> all (as I was doing through the procedure). He said, Yes, but it was
> berable. He continued, any amount of tolerable pain was worth it to
> rid me of weeks to months of pain. We don't have dentists where I'm
> from, and this tooth would have continued to cause me grief.
>
> It got me thinking. When people tell me, "I hate the dentist" I really
> take offense to that. I spent years in school, thousands of dollars to
> help people in a way I enjoy helping them.
>
> It really makes one feel unappreciated.
>
> Which takes me to the point, that some people here just don't know how
> good they have it.
"billkatz" <billthekat@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> It could be some of those new fangled Faradic tomatoes you know...
>
> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15621102.200.html
It could be that the dentists here could care less if anyone suffers with:
Trigeminal neuralgia
http://www.tna-support.org/newlook/definition.htm
Trigeminal neuralgia (TN) is not fatal, but it is universally considered to
be the most painful affliction known to medical practice.
Their response is jokes and
yawn.
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| For the record, I'm getting a little upset every time I hear from a
patient, "I hate the dentist."
It sometimes makes me think that I've chosen the wrong profession.
Flap's Reply:
Cheer up Shad.
They don't really hate YOU.
Damn, I even hate to go to the dentist and mine is an
attractive/personable/reassuring (and very good operator, BTW) woman.
Flap
http://flapsblog.com
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| carabelli 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
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"Flap" <fullosseousflap@gmail.com> wrote .,.............\
> Damn, I even hate to go to the dentist and mine is an
> attractive/personable/reassuring (and very good operator, BTW) woman.
>
> Flap
>
So I guess she charges too much?
carabelli
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| Peter Bowditch 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
| "LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote:
>Trigeminal neuralgia (TN) is not fatal, but it is universally considered to
>be the most painful affliction known to medical practice.
Bullshit!
Some evidence please, and not from some anti-dentist whacko.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
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Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
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| On 12 Sep 2005 15:59:17 -0700, "dr shad j lewis (via google)" <shadlewis@gmail.com> wrote:
>For the record, I'm getting a little upset every time I hear from a
>patient, "I hate the dentist."
>
>It sometimes makes me think that I've chosen the wrong profession.
Make a simple adjustment, when you hear that...
raise the fee.
--
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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| On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:26:16 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
>dr shad j lewis (via google) wrote:
>
>
> You must be joking!
> When I was young and single, I only noticed when young attractive women
>would say "Nothing personal, but..."
> I used to check my breath a lot.
>
>Steve
Used to say that if I had a dollar for every time I heard that, I wouldn't have to work.
--
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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| Mark & Steven Bornfeld 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
| W_B wrote:
>
>
>
> Used to say that if I had a dollar for every time I heard that, I wouldn't have to work.
You too? I thought I heard it because I look like Woody Allen.
Steve
> --
>
> W_B
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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| On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:43:11 GMT, "Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote:
>
>"Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote in message
>news:UepVe.236060$5N3.101775@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> Omigosh! I just took another look at the title of this thread.
>
Seems to me you were just staying 'on topic'.
--
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
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| On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:41:24 GMT, "Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote:
>
>"carabelli" <huerter@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:t4pVe.36419$qY1.28133@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> Well, I have never run into a proctoligist that I would classify as
>"crummy" or "uncaring", and they certainly don't scare me, but still...
>
>Vaughn
>
Thought that you had to *back* into a proctologist...
--
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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| Steven Fawks 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
|
dr shad j lewis (via google) wrote:
> For the record, I'm getting a little upset every time I hear from a
> patient, "I hate the dentist."
>
> It sometimes makes me think that I've chosen the wrong profession.
>
One of the toughest things about this job is dealing with
the negativity associated with dentistry by the general
public.
Like Dan says, many times that statement is made instead of:
"I'm afraid" "The last dentist *hurt* me" "You are going
to be gentle, aren't you?" "I don't tolerate dental treatment
very well"
Several ways to respond:
"I'll do my best to keep you as comfortable as possible"
"Have you had bad experiences with dental treatment in the past?"
"I haven't found a way to make dental treatment *fun*, but
I will be as gentle as possible"
"If you really *enjoyed* dental treatment, I'd have to refer you to a
psychiatrist (ha, ha)"
"Hmmmmm...I've never heard anyone say that before (ha,ha)"
Talking about it may uncover a need for some type of sedation or
other concern relating to anesthesia. I'd rather a patient be up
front about their fears and anxieties than to hide them. One of
the most unpleasant experiences that I've had recently was trying to
start a root canal on a lady who completely fooled me about having
any concerns regarding treatment and then just fell apart at the seams
before I got within 3 feet of the pulp! After added anesthesia and
turning on the nitrous, I was able to finish. If I would have known
that she was uptight and hadn't even been able to sleep the night before
treatment, I would not have entered into the appointment casually.
She had arrived smiling and bubbly. I didn't see it coming at all.
Work on being as gentle and painless as possible while being kind and
understanding. You will get more "thank you"s and even an occasional
hug. That helps out weigh some of the negative stuff we have to deal
with. Being able to forget things quickly also helps (gets easier as
you get older for some reason <G> ).
JME,
Fawks
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| On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:09:00 GMT, Peter Bowditch <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote:
>"LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>
>Bullshit!
>
>Some evidence please, and not from some anti-dentist whacko.
Tic Dolereau
Rx: Tegretol
--
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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| On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:12:06 GMT, Steven Fawks <tuthjockey@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Being able to forget things quickly also helps (gets easier as
>you get older for some reason <G> ).
>
>JME,
>Fawks
Was gonna respond, just can't remember what I was going to say now.
--
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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| LadyLollipop 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
|
"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
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> "LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>
> Bullshit!
>
> Some evidence please, and not from some anti-dentist whacko.
> --
> Peter Bowditch
This wasn't from what you call an *anti-dentist-wacko*
Take your Bullshit! and apologize!
http://www.tna-support.org/newlook/definition.htm
I will be waiting.
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| LadyLollipop 2005-09-23, 7:09 pm |
|
"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
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> "LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>
> Bullshit!
>
> Some evidence please,
> --
> Peter Bowditch
Do a search, evidence is PLENTIFUL
http://www.google Trigeminal neuralgia
Web Results 1 - 10 of about 539,000 for Trigeminal neuralgia
[definition]. (0.19 seconds)
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| Stovepipe 2005-09-23, 7:10 pm |
| Mark & Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
> W_B wrote:
>
> You too? I thought I heard it because I look like Woody Allen.
>
> Steve
OH THAT POOR MAN!!!!
(Woody, I mean....) ;-)
SP
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| Stovepipe 2005-09-23, 7:10 pm |
| Jorge Bonilla <yoyobon@msn.com> wrote:
> dr shad j lewis (via google) wrote:
>
> Put up a small sign that says "People who hate dentists will be charged
> extra". That should be the end of the problem.
> Jorge Bonilla DMD
Excellent idea!
SP
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| Stovepipe 2005-09-23, 7:10 pm |
| Steven Fawks <tuthjockey@earthlink.net> wrote:
> dr shad j lewis (via google) wrote:
>
> One of the toughest things about this job is dealing with
> the negativity associated with dentistry by the general
> public.
>
<snip>
>
> Several ways to respond:
>
> "I'll do my best to keep you as comfortable as possible"
> "Have you had bad experiences with dental treatment in the past?"
This is curious: we were told repeatedly NOT to ask this question, as it
tend to transfer the association between the dentist/unpleasant
situation onto _your_ shoulders, as the patient relives the agony as
s/he describes it. I guess there's a way to ask for just the general
jist of the problem without getting them down to the gory details...
> Work on being as gentle and painless as possible while being kind and
> understanding. You will get more "thank you"s and even an occasional
> hug. That helps out weigh some of the negative stuff we have to deal
> with. Being able to forget things quickly also helps (gets easier as
> you get older for some reason <G> ).
>
> JME,
> Fawks
Thanks for these reminders
SP
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| Stovepipe 2005-09-23, 7:10 pm |
| W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:12:06 GMT, Steven Fawks <tuthjockey@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Was gonna respond, just can't remember what I was going to say now.
> --
>
> W_B
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Oh, come on... you're only seventy-four....
SP
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| On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:55:17 -0400, stove99pipe@yahoo.ca (Stovepipe) wrote:
>W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>wrote:
>
>Oh, come on... you're only seventy-four....
>
>SP
Will you still need me
Will you still feed me...
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
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| Tim Dixon 2005-09-23, 7:10 pm |
|
"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:55:17 -0400, stove99pipe@yahoo.ca (Stovepipe)
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Will you still need me
> Will you still feed me...when i'm 64
Thats 64, not 74
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| Stovepipe 2005-09-23, 7:10 pm |
| W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:55:17 -0400, stove99pipe@yahoo.ca (Stovepipe) wrote:
>
>
>
> Will you still need me
> Will you still feed me...
> --
>
> W_B
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Hmmm ... You should've had your answer to that ten year'n ago...
SP
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| Stormin Mormon 2005-09-23, 7:11 pm |
| I'm glad I'm not a police officer. Or a plumber.
Though, I admit I've done plenty of plumbing work for friends.
--
Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..
"dr shad j lewis (via google)" <shadlewis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126565957.104852.235360@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
For the record, I'm getting a little upset every time I hear from a
patient, "I hate the dentist."
It sometimes makes me think that I've chosen the wrong profession.
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| s.c.madden@comcast.net 2005-09-23, 7:11 pm |
| You said:
Some here just do not know how good they have it.
So true Shad. We are spoiled and we do not even realize it.
Don't get dicsouraged. Pts are just scared.
If you have many patients who are fearful of the dentist, maybe you
could invest in some of the painless sorts of procedures that are
offerred now... and promote your office as one of those Comfort types
of offices...Conscious Sedation types...
Use the injectionless anesthetic .. Oragix or whatever it is called...
Or get some of those books by Mac Lee... to put in your waiting room.
Actually maybe you need a really sweet assistant or hygienist ... a
calm and mature-type who comes across very reassuring...
Don't take this wrong, but sometimes people are put at ease by a calm
woman
....then you can do your stuff...
I hope these suggestions make sense ...
Dentists PLEASE help me out here.
Thanks,
Sue
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| letsconnect 2005-09-23, 7:11 pm |
| s.c.mad...@comcast.net wrote:
> Don't get dicsouraged. Pts are just scared.
>
> If you have many patients who are fearful of the dentist, maybe you
> could invest in some of the painless sorts of procedures that are
> offerred now... and promote your office as one of those Comfort types
> of offices...Conscious Sedation types...
I find it weird that painless would be equated to conscious sedation
(and, by implication, DOCS)... just another hype. Not saying that it
doesn't work for some, but IMHO it's being overpromoted as it is. But:
it entirely depends on your market. Works for some folks.
> Use the injectionless anesthetic .. Oragix or whatever it is called...
Only good for soft tissues. Can work for root planing&scaling. No use
for much else, as far as I'm aware.
> Or get some of those books by Mac Lee... to put in your waiting room.
I'm not saying the book isn't good, but you can bet your life that it
won't do much to alleviate anxiety unless you're talking about someone
who's mildly anxious about a specific procedure. In which case a more
personable option would be to explain the procedure, rather than have
your patient sit down with a book. But I understand that the system in
the US is such that dentists rush around between patients and don't
actually get the chance to do that. So a book might be better than
nothing.
> Actually maybe you need a really sweet assistant or hygienist ... a
> calm and mature-type who comes across very reassuring...
Might work for some of the guys :-P
Dunno, maybe I'm just not in tune with what's going on...
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| s.c.madden@comcast.net 2005-09-23, 7:11 pm |
| Letsconnect,
I am the one who is out of tune. I was just trying to think of some
stuff (any stuff). You deal with patient anxieties on your website.
What would you suggest for Shad as the dentist.
What can he do to help patients feel less anxious?
Thanks,
Sue
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|
| Letsconnect,
I am the one who is out of tune. I was just trying to think of some
stuff (any stuff). You deal with patient anxieties on your website.
What would you suggest for Shad as the dentist.
What can he do to help patients feel less anxious?
Thanks,
Sue
Flap's Reply:
Breath Mints? :oD~~~~~~~~~
Flap
http://flapsblog.com
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| s.c.madden@comcast.net 2005-09-23, 7:11 pm |
| Falp (I mean Flap),
Now that is really b-a-a-a-a-h-h-
b-a-a-a-a-a-d.... but funny :-)
Once you haev spent a few nights sleeping
with sheep, somehow the ridiculous seems to makes sense after awhile.
-Sue
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| On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:36:47 GMT, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I'm glad I'm not a police officer. Or a plumber.
>
>Though, I admit I've done plenty of plumbing work for friends.
Plumbing the bum, no doubt.
--
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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| On 18 Sep 2005 12:49:01 -0700, "letsconnect" <letsconnect@myway.com> wrote:
>If my memory serves me correctly, Suzanne Boswell summed up the lowest
>common denominator in two words: "Loosen up". After that... depends.
Incontinent ?
--
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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| Vaughn 2005-09-23, 7:12 pm |
|
"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> On 18 Sep 2005 12:49:01 -0700, "letsconnect" <letsconnect@myway.com> wrote:
>
>
> Incontinent ?
I was wondering also, "depends" or "Depends"? Is this thread still about
bumms?
Vaughn
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| On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:29:46 GMT, "Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote:
>
>"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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>
> I was wondering also, "depends" or "Depends"? Is this thread still about
>bumms?
>
>Vaughn
>
Um. well, that Depends <g>
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
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| Amatus Cremona 2005-09-23, 7:12 pm |
| >
> I was wondering also, "depends" or "Depends"? Is this thread still
> about bumms?
>
Reminds me of the survey question they asked Joel at the clothing store.
They asked if he was wearing briefs or boxers. His response was "well,
depends".
Sorry Joel (I could not resist)
--
/
Amatus
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"Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote in message
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>
> "W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:5f3ui157nvl01hevj5qcdn2gidkrpi03ah@4ax.com...
>
> I was wondering also, "depends" or "Depends"? Is this thread still
> about bumms?
>
> Vaughn
>
>
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| letsconnect 2005-09-23, 7:14 pm |
| If my memory serves me correctly, Suzanne Boswell summed up the lowest
common denominator in two words: "Loosen up". After that... depends.
s.c.madden@comcast.net wrote:
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> I am the one who is out of tune. I was just trying to think of some
> stuff (any stuff). You deal with patient anxieties on your website.
> What would you suggest for Shad as the dentist.
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> What can he do to help patients feel less anxious?
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> Thanks,
> Sue
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