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| Mark Probert 2005-02-12, 1:32 pm |
| Re: Rosenthal
Let's start this letter with a little quiz:
Why doesn't Mrs. Ilena Rosenthal point a critical finger at herself for a
change?
Why aren't our children being warned about Mrs. Rosenthal in school?
Essay: Compare and contrast Mrs. Rosenthal's shenanigans to those of
pernicious, refractory extortionists, focusing especially on who is more
likely to mold the mind of virtually every citizen -- young or old, rich or
poor, simple or sophisticated.
Don't worry; I'll give you all the answers throughout the course of this
letter as well as a wealth of other information about Mrs. Rosenthal. In the
text that follows, I won't bother discussing the flaws in Mrs. Rosenthal's
logic, because she definitely doesn't use any logic. She coins polysyllabic
neologisms to make her plaints sound like they're actually important. In
fact, her treatises are filled to the brim with words that have yet to
appear in any accepted dictionary.
Her blatant indifference towards the feelings of others is due to intense
misunderstanding, suspicion, and fear. Period, finis, and Q.E.D. Unlike Mrs.
Rosenthal, when I make a mistake I'm willing to admit it. Consequently,
if -- and I'm bending over backwards to maintain the illusion of "innocent
until proven guilty" -- she were not actually responsible for trying to fill
our children's minds with bloodthirsty and debasing superstitions, then I'd
stop saying that Mrs. Rosenthal is careless with data, makes all sorts of
causal interpretations of things without any real justification, has a way
of combining disparate ideas that don't seem to hang together, seems to show
a sort of pride in her own biases, gets into all sorts of churlish
speculation, and then makes no effort to test out her speculations -- and
that's just the short list!
She thinks that her ideologies can give us deeper insights into the nature
of reality. Of course, thinking so doesn't make it so. In asserting that the
average working-class person can't see through her chicanery, she
demonstrates an astounding narrowness of vision. I may not believe that the
Queen of England heads up the international drug cartel, but I really do
think that she has lost what little credibility she once had. Regular
readers of my letters probably take that for granted, but if I am to make
this world a better place in which to live, I must explain to the population
at large that I, not being one of the many combative, pusillanimous pop
psychologists of this world, unquestionably hope that the truth will prevail
and that justice will be served before Mrs. Rosenthal does any real damage.
Or is it already too late? Well, I'm sure Mrs. Rosenthal would rather
slander those who are most systematically undervalued, underpaid,
underemployed, underfinanced, underinsured, underrated, and otherwise
underserved and undermined as undeserving and underclass than answer that
particular question. By exploiting social discontent and promising a golden
age of "human brotherhood", she will be successful in her attempts to rely
on the psychological effects of terror to magnify the localized effects of
her ramblings so that, like a stone hurled into a pool of water, shock waves
ripple from the epicenter of Mrs. Rosenthal's attacks to the furthest
reaches of the Earth. But let's not lose sight of the larger, more important
issue here: Mrs. Rosenthal's lewd maneuvers. Yellow-bellied publicity stunts
have unbridled consequences. Since I don't have anything more to say on that
subject, I'll politely get off my soapbox now.
Re: Humantics Foundation:
This letter is not a memoir. Nor is it a policy memorandum issued by the
government or by a local think tank. Rather, it is an assessment of how
Humantics Foundation's spin doctors employ carefully developed psychological
techniques to institutionalize sex discrimination by requiring different
standards of protection and behavior for men and women. Let's get down to
business: I, hardheaded cynic that I am, want nothing more -- or less --
than to justify condemnation, constructive criticism, and ridicule of
Humantics Foundation and its wretched sophistries. To that task I have
consecrated my life, and I invite you to do likewise. No one -- except
Humantics Foundation, so high on its own hallucinations that it believes
them to be real -- can seriously believe that its beliefs (as I would
certainly not call them logically reasoned arguments) enhance performance
standards, productivity, and competitiveness, and besides, its advocates all
have serious personal problems. In fact, the way Humantics Foundation keeps
them loyal to it is by encouraging and exacerbating these problems rather
than by helping to overcome them.
To most people, the idea that before bothering us with its next batch of
irritable, obstreperous machinations, Humantics Foundation should review the
rules of writing a persuasive essay, most notably the one about sticking to
the topic the writer establishes is so endemic, so long ingrained, that when
others conclude that the cure for corruption, conspiracy, and treason must
start by exposing the problem to people who care and are not themselves
corrupted, this merely seems to be affirming an obvious truth. Humantics
Foundation's idea of yawping cronyism is no political belief. It is a fierce
and burning gospel of hatred and intolerance, of murder and destruction, and
the unloosing of a nerdy blood-lust. It is, in every literal sense, a
counter-productive and pagan religion that incites its worshippers to an
overbearing frenzy and then prompts them to invade every private corner and
force every thought into an anti-democratic mold. Humantics Foundation makes
no sense at all. I'm not going to say why; we all know the reason.
In spite of the fact that I trust Humantics Foundation about as far as I can
throw it, it turns its back on our most heartfelt pleas for mercy. I mean,
think about it. Let's look at the facts. First, Humantics Foundation has
studiously avoided being contaminated by the facts. Second, I still wish
briefly to take a position on the question as to what extent society should
recognize that alcoholism appears to have triumphed. And finally, my purpose
here is not to anneal discourse with honesty, clear thinking, and a sense of
moral good. Well, okay, it is. But I should point out that every time
Humantics Foundation tries, it gets increasingly successful in its attempts
to quash other people's opinions. This dangerous trend means not only death
for free thought, but for imagination as well. Now for some parting advice:
Look at the facts. Analyze the arguments. Think about the motives of the
people who are telling you that Humantics Foundation has been robbed of all
it does not possess. And have confidence in yourself. Remember, Humantics
Foundation is unfit to hold any responsible position in government or
anywhere else.
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| Mark Probert 2005-02-12, 1:32 pm |
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"Ilena Rose" WHO IS UTTERLY DEVOID OF A SENSE OF HUMOR <ilena@san.rr.com>
wrote in message news:c56s015947ncg4llsa1s7pe7splehi1lua@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:47:23 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
>
> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Bait and switch to a .com site.
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| Mark Probert 2005-02-12, 1:32 pm |
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"Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5v8s01d1dduv5n1jad9bdnfgj0i8j05aiq@4ax.com...
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> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Bait and switch to a .com site.
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Mark Probert wrote:
> Re: Rosenthal
>
>
> Let's start this letter with a little quiz:
>
> Why doesn't Mrs. Ilena Rosenthal point a critical finger at herself
for a
> change?
Right back at ya Mark. Why done't you????
> Why aren't our children being warned about Mrs. Rosenthal in school?
> Essay: Compare and contrast Mrs. Rosenthal's shenanigans to those of
> pernicious, refractory extortionists, focusing especially on who is
more
> likely to mold the mind of virtually every citizen -- young or old,
rich or
> poor, simple or sophisticated.
> Don't worry; I'll give you all the answers throughout the course of
this
> letter as well as a wealth of other information about Mrs. Rosenthal.
In the
> text that follows, I won't bother discussing the flaws in Mrs.
Rosenthal's
> logic, because she definitely doesn't use any logic. She coins
polysyllabic
> neologisms to make her plaints sound like they're actually important.
In
> fact, her treatises are filled to the brim with words that have yet
to
> appear in any accepted dictionary.
>
> Her blatant indifference towards the feelings of others is due to
intense
> misunderstanding, suspicion, and fear. Period, finis, and Q.E.D.
Unlike Mrs.
> Rosenthal, when I make a mistake I'm willing to admit it.
Wrong. You continually lie and then deny it, even when it is plain as
day, and you KNOW it is a lie.
Consequently,
> if -- and I'm bending over backwards to maintain the illusion of
"innocent
> until proven guilty" -- she were not actually responsible for trying
to fill
> our children's minds with bloodthirsty and debasing superstitions,
then I'd
> stop saying that Mrs. Rosenthal is careless with data,
OMG!!!! How careful were you when you called you lies a fact, then the
history of the asbestos cover up was posted, you stil did not retract
you lie, you told another one.
makes all sorts of
> causal interpretations of things without any real justification, has
a way
> of combining disparate ideas that don't seem to hang together, seems
to show
> a sort of pride in her own biases, gets into all sorts of churlish
> speculation, and then makes no effort to test out her speculations --
and
> that's just the short list!
>
> She thinks that her ideologies can give us deeper insights into the
nature
> of reality. Of course, thinking so doesn't make it so. In asserting
that the
> average working-class person can't see through her chicanery, she
> demonstrates an astounding narrowness of vision. I may not believe
that the
> Queen of England heads up the international drug cartel, but I really
do
> think that she has lost what little credibility she once had. Regular
> readers of my letters probably take that for granted, but if I am to
make
> this world a better place in which to live, I must explain to the
population
> at large that I, not being one of the many combative, pusillanimous
pop
> psychologists of this world, unquestionably hope that the truth will
prevail
> and that justice will be served before Mrs. Rosenthal does any real
damage.
> Or is it already too late? Well, I'm sure Mrs. Rosenthal would rather
> slander those who are most systematically undervalued, underpaid,
> underemployed, underfinanced, underinsured, underrated, and otherwise
> underserved and undermined as undeserving and underclass than answer
that
> particular question. By exploiting social discontent and promising a
golden
> age of "human brotherhood", she will be successful in her attempts to
rely
> on the psychological effects of terror to magnify the localized
effects of
> her ramblings so that, like a stone hurled into a pool of water,
shock waves
> ripple from the epicenter of Mrs. Rosenthal's attacks to the furthest
> reaches of the Earth. But let's not lose sight of the larger, more
important
> issue here: Mrs. Rosenthal's lewd maneuvers. Yellow-bellied publicity
stunts
> have unbridled consequences. Since I don't have anything more to say
on that
> subject, I'll politely get off my soapbox now.
Why did you just be polite to start with?????
Can't ceasefire!
>
>
> Re: Humantics Foundation:
I though you was getting off you soapbox???? You had nothing more to
say.
As proven below, YOU LIED AGAIN!!!
>
> This letter is not a memoir. Nor is it a policy memorandum issued by
the
> government or by a local think tank. Rather, it is an assessment of
how
> Humantics Foundation's spin doctors employ carefully developed
psychological
> techniques to institutionalize sex discrimination by requiring
different
> standards of protection and behavior for men and women. Let's get
down to
> business: I, hardheaded cynic that I am, want nothing more -- or less
--
> than to justify condemnation, constructive criticism, and ridicule of
> Humantics Foundation and its wretched sophistries. To that task I
have
> consecrated my life, and I invite you to do likewise. No one --
except
> Humantics Foundation, so high on its own hallucinations that it
believes
> them to be real -- can seriously believe that its beliefs (as I would
> certainly not call them logically reasoned arguments) enhance
performance
> standards, productivity, and competitiveness, and besides, its
advocates all
> have serious personal problems. In fact, the way Humantics Foundation
keeps
> them loyal to it is by encouraging and exacerbating these problems
rather
> than by helping to overcome them.
>
> To most people, the idea that before bothering us with its next batch
of
> irritable, obstreperous machinations, Humantics Foundation should
review the
> rules of writing a persuasive essay, most notably the one about
sticking to
> the topic the writer establishes is so endemic, so long ingrained,
that when
> others conclude that the cure for corruption, conspiracy, and treason
must
> start by exposing the problem to people who care and are not
themselves
> corrupted, this merely seems to be affirming an obvious truth.
Humantics
> Foundation's idea of yawping cronyism is no political belief. It is a
fierce
> and burning gospel of hatred and intolerance, of murder and
destruction, and
> the unloosing of a nerdy blood-lust. It is, in every literal sense, a
> counter-productive and pagan religion that incites its worshippers to
an
> overbearing frenzy and then prompts them to invade every private
corner and
> force every thought into an anti-democratic mold. Humantics
Foundation makes
> no sense at all. I'm not going to say why; we all know the reason.
>
> In spite of the fact that I trust Humantics Foundation about as far
as I can
> throw it, it turns its back on our most heartfelt pleas for mercy. I
mean,
> think about it. Let's look at the facts. First, Humantics Foundation
has
> studiously avoided being contaminated by the facts. Second, I still
wish
> briefly to take a position on the question as to what extent society
should
> recognize that alcoholism appears to have triumphed. And finally, my
purpose
> here is not to anneal discourse with honesty, clear thinking, and a
sense of
> moral good. Well, okay, it is. But I should point out that every time
> Humantics Foundation tries, it gets increasingly successful in its
attempts
> to quash other people's opinions. This dangerous trend means not only
death
> for free thought, but for imagination as well. Now for some parting
advice:
> Look at the facts. Analyze the arguments. Think about the motives of
the
> people who are telling you that Humantics Foundation has been robbed
of all
> it does not possess. And have confidence in yourself. Remember,
Humantics
> Foundation is unfit to hold any responsible position in government or
> anywhere else.
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| Rich.@. 2005-02-12, 1:32 pm |
| On 12 Feb 2005 09:40:48 -0800, "Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:
>Wrong. You continually lie and then deny it, even when it is plain as
>day, and you KNOW it is a lie.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>On 02 Apr 2004 02:45:24 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
>
>
>
A week after Jan had eight amalgams removed she states that she is
feeling much better because she is not receiving a new dose of mercury
each day. But on June 17-18, 1999 (a week earlier) she had eight
amalgams removed and according to Jan the removal resulted in an
INCREASE in her mercury level.
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
So if Jan's mercury level was even higher on June 26,1999 than it was
on June 16, 1999 when she says she was bedridden and close to death
from mercury poisoning, how does Jan Drew explain feeling much
better?? She cannot. All she can do is divert attention away from
*her* lie and then bear false witness by accusing the messenger of
lying. Sad that.
Aloha,
Rich
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| Coleah 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
|
"Mark Probert" <Mark Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:KapPd.914$Oe4.619@fe11.lga...
>
> "Ilena Rose" WHO IS UTTERLY DEVOID OF A SENSE OF HUMOR <ilena@san.rr.com>
> wrote in message news:c56s015947ncg4llsa1s7pe7splehi1lua@4ax.com...
>
> Bait and switch to a .com site.
Say....why would someone want to have multiple Domain names
for the same Non-profit activities? Divert responsibility?
Or hide the ownership of other Domain names?
Hide from taxes? Hoodwink people?
Love those 'up front' and accountable professionals!
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| Mark Probert 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
|
"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108230048.918672.293340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mark Probert wrote:
> for a
>
> Right back at ya Mark. Why done't you????
I admit my real flaws, not the ones you conjure up.
Do realize that this post mocks Ilena's use of a joke website.
> more
> rich or
> this
> In the
> Rosenthal's
> polysyllabic
> In
> to
> intense
> Unlike Mrs.
>
> Wrong. You continually lie and then deny it, even when it is plain as
> day, and you KNOW it is a lie.
>
>
> Consequently,
> "innocent
> to fill
> then I'd
>
> OMG!!!! How careful were you when you called you lies a fact, then the
> history of the asbestos cover up was posted, you stil did not retract
> you lie, you told another one.
>
>
> makes all sorts of
> a way
> to show
> and
> nature
> that the
> that the
> do
> make
> population
> pop
> prevail
> damage.
> that
> golden
> rely
> effects of
> shock waves
> important
> stunts
> on that
>
>
> Why did you just be polite to start with?????
>
> Can't ceasefire!
>
> I though you was getting off you soapbox???? You had nothing more to
> say.
>
> As proven below, YOU LIED AGAIN!!!
>
>
>
> the
> how
> psychological
> different
> down to
> --
> have
> except
> believes
> performance
> advocates all
> keeps
> rather
> of
> review the
> sticking to
> that when
> must
> themselves
> Humantics
> fierce
> destruction, and
> an
> corner and
> Foundation makes
> as I can
> mean,
> has
> wish
> should
> purpose
> sense of
> attempts
> death
> advice:
> the
> of all
> Humantics
>
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| Fredric L. Rice 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
| "Mark Probert" <Mark Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>Re: Rosenthal
>Let's start this letter with a little quiz:
Why don't you just ignore the insane kooks of the world? They're only
rooking, swindling, maiming, and killing people who deserve it. Let them
do so in peace. It makes the rest of the world that much nicer for the
rest of us.
Also what's the URL to the new web site?
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
FRice Antiwar: http://www.skeptictank.org/antiwar.htm
Another Scientology murder: http://PerkinsTragedy.org
"An atheist who sucks at the teet of GW Bush is like a
chicken rallying for support of Colonel Sanders." -- Turk
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| james.drew 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
|
"Mark Probert" <Mark Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:UxuPd.1009$Sv.313@fe11.lga...
>
> "Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1108230048.918672.293340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> I admit my real flaws,
There's another lie, you did't admiy you lied, in fact you called them
facts.
not the ones you conjure up.
Never hass happened.
> Do realize that this post mocks Ilena's use of a joke website.
>
No admission from Mark is noted
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>
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| james.drew 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
|
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:110sus5kdifu7ee@corp.supernews.com...
> "Mark Probert" <Mark Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
>
> Why don't you just ignore the insane kooks of the world?
Like Rev. Fred
<snip rest of Kook's kook>
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| Mark Probert 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
|
"Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:k20t01lmuslj2envinjufcf7dg393r664f@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:55:07 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L.
> Rice) wrote:
>
>
>
> www.humanticsfoundation.com/QuackbustersVsIlena.htm
You have way too much time on your hands. Perhaps an adult ed course in
non-fiction writing would help.
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| jdrew63929@aol.com 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
| Mark,
Why are you posting this on the dental group?
Thanks for proving yet again that your sole purpose is to stalk and
harass
Mark Probert wrote:
> "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:k20t01lmuslj2envinjufcf7dg393r664f@4ax.com...
>
> You have way too much time on your hands. Perhaps an adult ed course
in
> non-fiction writing would help.
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| Joel M. Eichen 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
| On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:05:44 GMT, "james.drew"
<james.drew@insightbb.com> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>"Mark Probert" <Mark Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>news:UxuPd.1009$Sv.313@fe11.lga...
Jan may lose two accounts for pretending to be james.drew.
Joel
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| Joel M. Eichen 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
| On 12 Feb 2005 16:28:40 -0800, "jdrew63929@aol.com"
<jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:
>Mark,
>
>Why are you posting this on the dental group?
Same reason some people post toxicology stuff on the dental group
......
>
>
>Thanks for proving yet again that your sole purpose is to stalk and
>harass
>
>
>
>
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| Jan-
When you go back to the dental group with your mercury amalgam
problems, instead of stalking us on ASBI, then you may have the right
to express that!
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| Joel M. Eichen 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
| On 12 Feb 2005 18:50:08 -0800, "Myrl" <myrlj@jps.net> wrote:
>Jan-
>When you go back to the dental group with your mercury amalgam
>problems, instead of stalking us on ASBI, then you may have the right
>to express that!
I was thinking that when Jan went back to her ASBI group with her
mercury problems then she would stop stalking us!
Joel
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|
| I'm sorry Joel - What can I say! I was hoping that Jan would start her
own newsgroup, and leave us ALL in peace!
Jan hasn't had breast implants, she really doesn't belong on ASBI. She
was brought to our newsgroup, by "our" self-promoting advocate, Ilena
Rosenthal, who hoped Jan would work her agenda of disrupting, and
dividing the community over here!
It doesn't seem to matter whether Jan has two brain cells communicating
and firing, or not! Whatever her problem, I'm thinking it's
significantly more serious than any mercury amalgams she may be
suffering from.
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| Joel M. Eichen 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
| On 13 Feb 2005 06:11:56 -0800, "Myrl" <myrlj@jps.net> wrote:
>I'm sorry Joel - What can I say! I was hoping that Jan would start her
>own newsgroup, and leave us ALL in peace!
>
>Jan hasn't had breast implants, she really doesn't belong on ASBI. She
>was brought to our newsgroup, by "our" self-promoting advocate, Ilena
>Rosenthal, who hoped Jan would work her agenda of disrupting, and
>dividing the community over here!
Live and learn.
I thought ASBI WAS Ilena's group!
How come you guys do not like Ilena?
Joel
>
>It doesn't seem to matter whether Jan has two brain cells communicating
>and firing, or not! Whatever her problem, I'm thinking it's
>significantly more serious than any mercury amalgams she may be
>suffering from.
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| Joel M. Eichen 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
| On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:25:01 -0600, Ilena Rose <ilena@san.rr.com>
wrote:
>On 13 Feb 2005 06:11:56 -0800, "Myrl" <myrlj@jps.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>Yes Myrlie ... we all are very aware that all of your 'girlfriends'
>that you welcome with open arms all have breast implants ... and you
>get to decide who 'should' post where and when:
Hi Ilena,
Is there a subliminal message somewhere in there
for sci.med.dentistry?
Are you saying that there is some nefarious motive when
the dentists welcome the dental hygienists with breast
implants with open arms, instead of simply shaking hands?
Joel
>
>Myrlie's Girls"
>
>"Marla Maples"
>www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html
>
>"Willa Cathy Credulous Nidiffer"
>www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#yahoo
>3 versions of his identity that Myrlie welcomes
>
>"Vera Teasdale"
>www.humanticsfoundation.com/Quackbu...m#PolevoyInDrag
>
>~~~~~~~~~
>
>www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
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| Mark Probert 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
|
<jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108254520.086265.214900@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Mark,
>
> Why are you posting this on the dental group?
This message is crossposted to:
alt.support.breast-implant,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.
dentistry,talk.politics.medicine
which is obvious to you since you areposting from GoogleGroups.
> Thanks for proving yet again that your sole purpose is to stalk and
> harass
Nope. Just giving Ilena back what she so richly deserves. It is stalking and
harassing in your prejudiced lexicon where Ilena can do no wrong, and
Probert can do no right.
> Mark Probert wrote:
> in
>
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| Ilena Rose 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
| On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:33:28 -0500, Joel M. Eichen
<joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Live and learn.
>
>I thought ASBI WAS Ilena's group!
LOL ... I created it ... then Polevoy and the rest of the Rag-tag
Posse moved on in with silicone manufacturers and their moles.
>
>How come you guys do not like Ilena?
>
>Joel
I think one of the reasons is because I trounced head Quack Barrett
and his Malicious Prosecutor Grell in court and now they owe dozens of
thousands of dollars to me ...
Check this out:
www.humaniticsfoundation.com/QuackbustersVsIlena.htm
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| Mark Probert 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
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"Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:33:28 -0500, Joel M. Eichen
> <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I think one of the reasons is because I trounced
NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
I keep telling you that YOU did nothing of the sort. What "trounced" them is
the First Amendment and the Rule of Law.
All you did was to provide the obnoxious behavior that the First Amendment
was designed to protect, and anyone can do that.
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| Ilena Rose 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
| On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:49:38 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
Probert@lumbercartel.com> in denial frantic blatherings deleted:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
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| Mark Probert 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
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"Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:49:38 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> Probert@lumbercartel.com> in denial frantic blatherings deleted:
>
> www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Yikes! Click on that .org and you are switched to a .COM asking for
donations.
Classic bait and switch.
Here is what Ilena snipped since she cannot refute it:
> I think one of the reasons is because I trounced
NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
I keep telling you that YOU did nothing of the sort. What "trounced" them is
the First Amendment and the Rule of Law.
All you did was to provide the obnoxious behavior that the First Amendment
was designed to protect, and anyone can do that.
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| Joel M. Eichen 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
| On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:33:11 -0600, Ilena Rose <ilena@san.rr.com>
wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:33:28 -0500, Joel M. Eichen
><joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>LOL ... I created it ... then Polevoy and the rest of the Rag-tag
>Posse moved on in with silicone manufacturers and their moles.
>
>
Yup , we are all against silicone, except in dental composites.
For dental implants, we prefer the natural look of course!
Joel
>
>I think one of the reasons is because I trounced head Quack Barrett
>and his Malicious Prosecutor Grell in court and now they owe dozens of
>thousands of dollars to me ...
>
>Check this out:
>
>www.humaniticsfoundation.com/QuackbustersVsIlena.htm
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| Joel M. Eichen 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
| On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:05:30 -0600, Ilena Rose <ilena@san.rr.com>
wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:49:38 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
>Probert@lumbercartel.com> in denial frantic blatherings deleted:
What are bladderings anyway?
>
>www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
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| On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:05:30 -0600, Ilena Rose <ilena@san.rr.com>
wrote:
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>From: Ilena Rose <ilena@san.rr.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.dentistry,talk.politics.medicine
>Subject: Re: New Website Exposes Ilena Rosenthal and the Humantics Foundation
>Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:05:30 -0600
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>On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:49:38 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> in denial frantic blatherings deleted:
>
Multiple complaints sent, I urge the regs to do the same.
abuse@supernews.com
abuse@san.rr.com
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| Joel M. Eichen 2005-02-15, 8:21 am |
| On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:43:50 GMT, W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
>Multiple complaints sent, I urge the regs to do the same.
>
>abuse@supernews.com
>abuse@san.rr.com
>abuse@rr.com
Where are the complaints about bladderings?
Joel
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"Mark Probert" <Mark Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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> "Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:k20t01lmuslj2envinjufcf7dg393r664f@4ax.com...
>
> You have way too much time on your hands. Perhaps an adult ed course in
> non-fiction writing would help.
Good idea. She apparently passed the fiction one with flying colors.
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In article <mt7v011nqq2ip8eddt3tvj1ohnq7t3bpmo@4ax.com>,
Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:05:30 -0600, Ilena Rose <ilena@san.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> What are bladderings anyway?
>
posts by Joel M. Eichen
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| Joel M. Eichen 2005-02-15, 8:22 am |
| On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:51:43 -0800, Robert Morien
<PhD_failure@nousefulinfo.com> wrote:
>In article <mt7v011nqq2ip8eddt3tvj1ohnq7t3bpmo@4ax.com>,
> Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>posts by Joel M. Eichen
OK, thanks.
Joel M. Eichen
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| John Que 2005-02-15, 8:22 am |
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"Myrl" <myrlj@jps.net> wrote in message
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> I'm sorry Joel - What can I say! I was hoping that Jan would start her
> own newsgroup, and leave us ALL in peace!
>
> Jan hasn't had breast implants, she really doesn't belong on ASBI. She
> was brought to our newsgroup, by "our" self-promoting advocate, Ilena
That is a lie. Jan was in this newgroup years before Ilena showed
up. Google their names and you'll see.
> Rosenthal, who hoped Jan would work her agenda of disrupting, and
> dividing the community over here!
Rubbish. Jan serves as a core archor for those who have
made it their lifes purpose to debunk her.
If she left, her debunkers would have to reinvent her.
>
> It doesn't seem to matter whether Jan has two brain cells communicating
> and firing, or not! Whatever her problem, I'm thinking it's
> significantly more serious than any mercury amalgams she may be
> suffering from.
That you worry about Jan proves you also have two brain
cells plus a venom sac.
I've long ago (years ago) blocked Jan and Ilena. I've
also blocked many who do little else
that attack their posting. Apparently, they
think no else can understand either them
without help.
>
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| Gee, these links certainly will make those who are interested in helping
women think twice about teaming up with Ms Rose.
What a shame she didn't use her time and energy for doing good.
Very sad.
Jeff
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| Mark Probert 2005-02-15, 8:22 am |
|
"John Que" <123456789travelguide@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Myrl" <myrlj@jps.net> wrote in message
> news:1108303915.996564.174480@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> That is a lie. Jan was in this newgroup years before Ilena showed
> up. Google their names and you'll see.
Since this thread is crossposted to:
alt.support.breast-implant,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.
dentistry,talk.politics.medicine
you should be more clear.
I believe that you wanted to say that Jan infested mha before Ilena did. If
so, no argument.
>
> Rubbish. Jan serves as a core archor for those who have
> made it their lifes purpose to debunk her.
> If she left, her debunkers would have to reinvent her.
Nope. Jan serves as an enabler of Ilena, who, in turn, enables Jan. Sort of
like a symbiotic relationship. Jan is Ilena's #1 apologist on usenet, and,
no matter how egregious Ilena's behavior is, will not criticize her when
Ilena targets a Jew, Atheist, Gay or Catholic, or anyone with whom Jan
disagrees.
>
> That you worry about Jan proves you also have two brain
> cells plus a venom sac.
Hmmm...
According to Jan's standards, you are a troll.
Google search:
Results 1 - 10 of 166 for author:123456789travelguide@hotmail.com
However, when one attempts to see some of the older posts, one gets:
Searched all groups Results 0 - 0 of 116 for
author:123456789travelguide@hotmail.com. (0.51 seconds)
Your search - author:123456789travelguide@hotmail.com - did not match any
documents
Most curious. Perhaps you nuked your old posts?
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| Mark Probert 2005-02-15, 8:22 am |
|
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark Probert" <Mark Probert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:RzvPd.1051$bE1.944@fe11.lga...
>
> Good idea. She apparently passed the fiction one with flying colors.
I am sure she was the star student, surpassing even the instructor.
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| Joel M. Eichen 2005-02-15, 8:22 am |
| On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:25:28 -0800, "John Que"
<123456789travelguide@hotmail.com> wrote:
>That is a lie. Jan was in this newgroup years before Ilena showed
>up. Google their names and you'll see.
I would but whenever I google Jan, all's
that comes up are meaningless links .......
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| Ilena Rose 2005-02-15, 8:22 am |
| On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:22:00 -0500, Joel M. Eichen
<joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:25:28 -0800, "John Que"
><123456789travelguide@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I would but whenever I google Jan, all's
>that comes up are meaningless links .......
it's valentines' day joelie ... let's all be nice to each other.
we are all human beings here with lives and feelings ...
www.humanticsfoundation.com/QuackbustersVsIlena.htm
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| Mark Probert 2005-02-15, 8:22 am |
|
"Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:22:00 -0500, Joel M. Eichen
> <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> it's valentines' day joelie ... let's all be nice to each other.
>
> we are all human beings here with lives and feelings ...
nice sentiment...and then you post:
www.humanticsfoundation.com/QuackbustersVsIlena.htm
which means it was empty.
How sad.
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| John Que 2005-02-15, 8:22 am |
| "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Gee, these links certainly will make those who are interested in helping
> women think twice about teaming up with Ms Rose.
>
> What a shame she didn't use her time and energy for doing good.
>
> Very sad.
>
> Jeff
>
>
For good or ill, the Usenet is just a waste of time
for Ilena. It got her sued. Court fights cost the
bucks. Lower more local profile would
have served her well. I make no judgement
on her merits of her case.
I think the Usenet has unleased a compulsion to
post for many here. I may even be guilty of
such posting compulsion myself as most of you are also
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| Ilena Rose 2005-02-15, 8:22 am |
| On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:16:30 -0800, "John Que"
<123456789travelguide@hotmail.com> wrote:
>It got her sued.
the Quack Team are sue happy ... and have been for several decades.
SLAPP suits are their specialty ...
Barrett and Grell have totally lost to me .. and it will cost them
thousands and thousands.
Polevoy is freaking out and sending out pathetic missives begging
lawyers close to my case to drop their backing of me ...
Seems he doesn't realize that they already know he wants to win and me
lose ...
His website shows he is in oblivion about what is going on ... he
blathers about me not "settling" ... and other nonsense.
Throught the internet I have connected with thousands of people harmed
by breast implants ... and have educated many.
That's why the Quack Team / Silicone Sellers dont' like me ... I put
my opinion on the very real harm of breast implants in the public eye.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackbustersVsIlena.htm
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| Joel M. Eichen 2005-02-15, 8:22 am |
| >On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:16:30 -0800, "John Que"
>For good or ill, the Usenet is just a waste of time
>for Ilena. It got her sued. Court fights cost the
>bucks. Lower more local profile would
>have served her well. I make no judgement
>on her merits of her case.
>
>I think the Usenet has unleased a compulsion to
>post for many here. I may even be guilty of
>such posting compulsion myself as most of you are also
>
>
Not really. Ilena is a clever lady.
Look at her 501c3 reports and
you will see an enterprising mind there.
Joel
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| Joel M. Eichen 2005-02-15, 8:22 am |
| On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:17:05 -0600, Ilena Rose <ilena@san.rr.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:57:15 -0500, Joel M. Eichen
><joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
Thanks for the information!
Joely
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