Dentistry - Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning From Amalgams

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Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning From Amalgams

Rich.@.

2005-02-09, 3:08 pm

On 08 Feb 2005 20:38:06 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

>
>
>There's the lie, in fact I post it.

Jan Drew has NEVER posted her understanding of the scientific method.
She mindlessly posts links to sites that she does not understand and
refuses to discuss anything other than to call anyone a liar or
brainwashed who disagrees with her.

The truth is that Jan Drew is NOT a dentist, has NO training in
dentistry and is clueless about the scientific method. Jan Drew
endorses *anything* that agrees with her point of view/agenda and
demonizes anything that does not. That alone proves that Jan is
clueless about the scientific method.

Jan Drew is a sick individual who obsessively posts links which she
believes proves that amalgams cause mercury poisoning. She does this
even though she obviously realizes that she never had mercury
poisoning as proved by her deliberately changing her history to make
it look like she really did have mercury poisoning.

After Jan Drew said that she went from near death to line dancing a
week later, she was told that her improvement was not consistent with
mercury poisoning as her mercury level would have been even higher
when she said that she felt much better.

> http://tinyurl.com/674oy
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Then Jan claimed that the reason that she knew it was the mercury was
because she did not *begin* to regain her health until *after* her
mercury level dropped. That is a lie and Jan Drew knows it.
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>How do I know it was the metal? Because my mercury level was monitored by my
>
>http://tinyurl.com/6n3ax

Jan Drew even admitted that removal of amalgams results in increase
level of mercury in the body.

On 30 Aug 2004 06:44:36 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

>Removing amalgam is a destabilizing process that
>forces metals in ionic and molecular form through the dentine into the pulp,
>and thence into the body;

Agreed.

>that's a hypothesis, and I intend to get someone
>more competent than I am to look at it.

Are you not aware that people know about the increase of mercury
during
removal?

There's never been any arguement about the fact that removing amalgams
puts
more mercury in the body.
Jan

If there is no argument that removing amalgams puts more mercury in
the body how was it that on June 16,1999 Jan was dying of mercury
poisoning, on June 18,1999 after having her eighth amalgam removed
(over two day period) she felt better than she had in two years and a
week later (June 16, 1999) her foot pain went away and she went out
line dancing?????

Jan Drew deals with the exposure of her lie by accusing the messenger
(me) of being the liar. Sad that.

Aloha,

Rich

PS: Cue Jan to not deal with ANY of her contradictory statements and
to make a personal attack against me by repeating her lie that I am
stalking her. Sad that.

Joel M. Eichen

2005-02-09, 3:09 pm

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:53:52 GMT, Rich.@. wrote:
The title says it all.

Jan Drew knows nothing about toxicology.

Joel

Dr Steve

2005-02-09, 3:09 pm

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"Joel M. Eichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:53:52 GMT, Rich.@. wrote:
> The title says it all.
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> Jan Drew knows nothing about toxicology.
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>
> Joel

And,,,,,,,,,,,,, sadly,,,,,,,,,,,,, no desire to learn.

Rich.@.

2005-02-09, 3:09 pm

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:04:07 GMT, "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote:

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>"Joel M. Eichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>And,,,,,,,,,,,,, sadly,,,,,,,,,,,,, no desire to learn.

Cue Jan to now make a gratuitous attack against me, most likely by
starting a new thread. Just watch. Jan cannot rebut my exposure of her
lies so she tries to divert attention by attacking and discrediting
the messenger.

Aloha,

Rich
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Best defense to logic is ignorance

W_B

2005-02-09, 3:09 pm

Dr Steve

2005-02-09, 3:09 pm

Of course she will. I am sure she has done the same to me by now. I may
never know though.

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Troy, Michigan, USA
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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:04:07 GMT, "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote:
>
>
> Cue Jan to now make a gratuitous attack against me, most likely by
> starting a new thread. Just watch. Jan cannot rebut my exposure of her
> lies so she tries to divert attention by attacking and discrediting
> the messenger.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Rich
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> Best defense to logic is ignorance

W_B

2005-02-09, 3:09 pm

Rumor has it that AOL will be dropping usenet today Feb. 9th.

Time will tell.

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:12:38 GMT, "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote:

>Of course she will. I am sure she has done the same to me by now. I may
>never know though.

>Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
>Troy, Michigan, USA
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W_B
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Joel M. Eichen

2005-02-12, 1:30 pm

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:20:11 GMT, Rich.@. wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:04:07 GMT, "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote:
>

I cannot imagine someone listening to the patient dentists around here
and learning nothing over a period of five years!

Joel

[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>Cue Jan to now make a gratuitous attack against me, most likely by
>starting a new thread. Just watch. Jan cannot rebut my exposure of her
>lies so she tries to divert attention by attacking and discrediting
>the messenger.
>
>Aloha,
>
>Rich
>
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>
>Best defense to logic is ignorance

Joel M. Eichen

2005-02-12, 1:30 pm

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:28:18 GMT, W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:

>
>Rumor has it that AOL will be dropping usenet today Feb. 9th.
>
>Time will tell.

I heard that they are tossing a coin ........ considering dropping
usenet or dropping Jan!

Joel

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>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:12:38 GMT, "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote:
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jdrew63929@aol.com

2005-02-12, 1:31 pm

Subject: Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning From Amalgams

Kelly lied, Connie lied ec., etc.,

Richard H Jacobson LIES repeatedly:

Proof:

>Are you sure my name is Richard Jacobson??
to
cease and desist?? Of course her request presumes that I have been
stalking
and harassing her.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>I am grateful for one thing; that Richard Jacobson is not my real
name.

Unfortunately the Richard Jacobson that DOES live in Hawaii may not be
too
happy with my assuming his name for purposes of the internet especially
given
the recent events. He happens to live on a different island from me. I
do plan
to contact him to let him know that someone may try to harass him since
he is
listed in the phone book.
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Hiking The Kalalau Trail

Richard Jacobson (richj@cris.com)
Sat, 16 Mar 1996 00:27:34 -0500 (EST)

>Hawaii's premier backpacking trail, the Kalalau Trail on the island of
Kauai still remains closed past Hanakoa due to the reconstruction of
the trail near "crawler's ridge". Estimated date of completion is Mid
May.
Until then, camping will only be permitted in Hanakapiai and Hanakoa
Valleys. I for one am anxious to have Kalalau open again. It has to
be one of the finest trails in the world.

Aloha,
Rich
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Richard H. Jacobson
Always remember to put Horace before Descarte

(Rich doesn't lie does he Kirk???)

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From: Richard Jacobson (richj@cris.com) Subject: Re: Skeptics on
MHANewsgroups:
misc.health.alternativeView complete thread (Date: 1996/04/15On 15 Apr
1996
02:06:31 -0400,

talena90@aol.com (Talena90) wrote:>In article
<3162e207.238819996@news.concentric.net

>, richj@cris.com>(Richard Jacobson) writes:
usedPycnogenol AND i.v. chelation treatment to cure their breast
cancer, in
response to someone who said, i.e. "Pycnogenol has no usefulness."

Then another person screaming all over the place...

"***She's lying, she won't tell me the story of her diagnosis****

... she just wants to sell pycnogenol and that is what she says cured it
all...

***She's a liar, she's a liar,she's a liar.***

She read research, ***but doesn't mail it to me*** so she didn't do the
research either.

***She's a liar she's a liar.***

She makes up stuff about pycnogenol curing cancer she didn't have."
RICHARD!!!!! SHE ALSO USED CHELATION TREATMENT. DID YOU READ THAT
PART?
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Calm down Talena or YOUR blood pressure is going to go through ther
oof. Yes I
heard Kelly say that it was BOTH chelation AND pycnogenolthat cured her
breast
cancer. I ALSO heard her say that she was NEVERspecifically told she
had breast
cancer. I ALSO heard her say that she NEVER knew she had a breast
biopsy. I
ALSO heard her say that the pycnogenol was for "prevention" and not the
"cure"
of her cancer. Ih eard Kelly say a lot of things.

And IMO she, and I am being VERYkind, is not being

**completely honest**

about it. Or did not YOU readTHOSE things??? Seems like you have
selective
reading.

I> am sorry. Don't mean to misquote people. But if you say I did then
it MUST
be true.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>IT ALSO BOTHERS ME THAT KELLY SAID THAT SHE OPTED FOR ALTERNATIVE
TREATMENT,
BUT IN NO WAY WOULD ADVISE SOMEONE ELSE TO IGNORE TRADITIONAL
TREATMENT, OR
THEIR DOCTOR... BUT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO CONFUSE RICHARD WITH
THEFACTS...

***HE HAS HIS OWN SET OF PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS HE LIKES TO PRETEND ARE
FACTS.***

>You are quite correct Talena. Kelly DID say that. But she also is
promoting a
tape (Dead Doctor's Don't Lie) that tells people not to trust their
doctor. She
also made many posts discrediting doctors in one way or another. In
fact she
did not have a good thing to say about most of the doctors she has had
experience with. But she would NEVER tell anyone to ignore conventional
doctors
:-) But she sure can talk out of both sides of her mouth real well.
NOSTUDIES, NO INFORMATION TO DISPROVE ANYTHING.****
[vbcol=seagreen]
>You are right. I have my opinion. I DO also have access to manystudies
demonstrating efficacies for different treatment modalities.

ALTERNATIVEMEDICAL
TREATMENT, LIKE YOUR *FRIEND*, and still you refuse to tell us what did
him/her
in. Is your friend imaginary? If you don't produce name and social
security
number, we don't believe you.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>I don't blame you Talena. Actually it is irrelevant to you who my
friend is,
whether she existed or not. Its importance is to me and my motivation
to inform
others about the risks of taking seemingly "low risk" therapies. So
whether you
believe me or not is insignifigant to me. But if it makes you feel good
to keep
bringing it up then by all means do so.

***It does more to indicate what kind of person you are than
anything.**

***It is truet hat I accused Kelly of lying about having breast cancer
and
being cured by chelation and pycnogenol.*****

This is a quite remarkable claim and her response were vague, evasive,
and
contradictory. If it is difficult for you to believe that someone died
as a
result of rejecting conventional care since it seems like such
***an
outrageous claim*** (I mean NO ONE dies from doing this do they)then I
don't
know what to tell you.

I mean... you don't believe Kelly had breast cancer, or I am married,

No I believe you are married. I also believe that your husband has
hypertension. And I also think I have some insigh tinto why he has
hypertension. High stress can cause high blood pressure. Somehow I have
a
feeling that your husband has stress in his life. I don't know from
where
because

****it is clear that it is not coming from you since you have
demonstrated
suchempathy, compassion and caring for your fellow human being. His
stress must
be from elsewhere.***

Aloha,Rich...

you are REALLY OUT THERE, Richard.... someone please lasso himand try
to get
him back to reality.....

***It is frustrating isn't it Talena to not have others believe inYOUR
reality***

***Just a suggestion. Let your husband have HIS reality and don't
impose YOURS
on him. That may lead to stress. But Iimagine you NEVER do that :-)***

Aloha,Rich

There are some people who just are totally unable to communicate.I
think that
the least that they could do is to shut the hell up.Tom Lehrer

=============================================================

From: J. Michael Seawright (seawrigh@vitro.com)
Subject: Re: My own view on ADD (yes I have it)
Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit, misc.education,
misc.health.alternative,
alt.parents-teens, alt.parenting.solutions
Date: 1996/04/04

richj@cris.com (Richard Jacobson) wrote:>On Tue, 02 Apr 1996 19:13:26
GMT,
seawrigh@vitro.com

(J. Michael>Seawright) wrote:

lebval58@mail.erols.com> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
It is
called pycnogenol. E mail an address for tape by parents who use it on
their
kids and love it. ______(In the interest of conserving bandwidth and
readers
time, some, very likely most, of the above message has been snipped.)
Your
message does not belong in this newsgroup.For this reason, you may have
been
reported to the Blacklist of Internet Advertisers. >

What are we talking about here? I am a newbee and I don't
understandthis
"blacklist" thing. This Dorothy just seems to offer some help. I see no
reason
to "blacklist" someone for offering help. This type of thing happened
back in
the 1930's. It was called Hitler and the Nazis.
[vbcol=seagreen]
camps during the Hitler regime I find your analogy quiteoffensive.
While I will
certainly protect your right to make these kinds of statements I will
NOT sit
idly by without responding to it. If you are a newbee then perhaps it
would
behoove you torefer to the usenet newusers group to understand the
protocol for
making posts here. And as far as this person trying to "help" others
perhaps we
could agree to disagree.This person is trying to help "herself" by
attempting>to sell a product in a group where advertising is
prohibited.This is
a discussion group for alternative health care issues and not for
selling
things.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Aloha,
>Rich
>Richard Jacobson
>Better to be unsure about somethingthan to be certain and be wrong

From: Steve C. (gelfud@cpcnet.com)
Subject: Re: Fat content of 2% milk
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, sci.med, sci.med.immunology,
sci.med.pharmacy, misc.kids, misc.kids.health, alt.activism.children,
misc.kids.pregnancy
Date: 1996/03/22

Were talking like a truck of milk right?
[vbcol=seagreen]
>richj@cris.com (Richard Jacobson) wrote:>On 12 Mar 1996 14:25:15
-0500,
amcspi@aol.com (AMCSPI) wrote:

>This is true. But of course it would have to be a REALLY>
BIG glass.

>Aloha, >Rich>
>Richard Jacobson
>Better to be unsure about something>than to be certain and be wrong

From: Marc Gray (datacat@globalone.net)
Subject: Re: Question about FIBS invite and join
Newsgroups: rec.games.backgammon
Date: 1996/03/20

In article 314676b8.17009338@news.cris.co
[vbcol=seagreen]
>, richj@cris.com (RichardJacobson) wrote:

* On 13 Mar 1996 02:57:19 GMT, mwest@sprynet.com (Mike West) wrote:

* >Just recently I signed on to my first FIBS session. I was invited to
a
match. I * typed who is followed by the name of the other player to see
something about them. When I immediately typed join (name) nothing
happened. So
my question is when one is invited must one reply immediately? How long
does an
invitation last?* Generally, what has happened is that the the inviter
has not
waited for your response and has joined another game. I customarily
wait no
morthan about 15 seconds for a response to an invite.*Also possible, is
an
impatient newbie attempting to gang-invite binviting numerous players
in rapid
sequence. This is an error as eacinvite deletes the previous
invitation,
leaving a trail of "did notinvite you" to all those who attempt to join
that
inviter.FlashGammon

Richard Jacobson

Better to be unsure about something* than to be certain and be wrong

Always remember to put Horace before Descarte--

From: Jerry (gmcclurg@ids2.idsonline.com)
Subject: Re: My own view on ADD (yes I have it)
Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit, misc.education,
misc.health.alternative,
alt.parents-teens, alt.parenting.solutions
Date: 1996/04/07

Richard Jacobson wrote:> On Sat, 06 Apr 1996 12:32:04 GMT,
todd_horton@compuserve.com (Todd> Horton) wrote

posts.
This post suggests that I made the: above comment. I did NOT. Just
wanted to
make sure: that ANOTHER rumor did not start up about me. I realize:
that it is
signed Mike but that won't stop someone: from spreading a rumor that I
am going
by two different: names.:

Aloha,:

Rich

Don't worry richard, No one will ever mistake an actual contribution to
the
newsgroup for sonmething you wrote. We could tell it wasn't yours
since it
asked a question and another shared an experience. If it had been
snide,
snotty, and put down THEN we miht have thought it was yours.

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p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>: >For Patient A, not so lucky. Antibiotic therapy, having no Boosting
effect,> >fails, and the patient is left with the most abysmal form of
folk:
medicine on the planet: conventional medicine's brand of folk:
herbalism (have
some chicken >soup and take two or three OTC drugs: but read the label
first,
and eventually >you'll be sick enough to: see us for a real disease).

>: >: >This simple case displays some of the differences between
healing: and
medicine, >\and between isolating therapies and holistic therapies. >:
>:
>Ciao!>: >: That is a nice anecdotal story which has little meaning to
me. I
could: tell you that a person with burning comes to someone and they:
give him
mineral water and he leaves feeling much energy and the: pain goes
away. What
does that prove??? Not much to me.

>Well, perhaps that someone needs to develop Rich Jacobson Mineral
Water
Therapy.But that is hardly the point.

>You are quite right that Mineral Water Therapy is beside the point.
Iam not
sure what point you were making putting

****my name****

in front of a bogus therapy. I guess you missed MY point which was tha
tanyone
could claim anything about healing peoples illnesses withno validity to
their
claims such as a claim for mineral water healingan infection. The
problem is
that those who claim that theremethods are *more* effective ALSO state
that not
only is any kind of proof not necessary but are not at all interested
in
subjectin the treatments to any kind of objective study to demonstate
their
efficacy. Instead they are relying on observations which may not be
valid and
may be based upon superstitions. How does one separate reality from
superstition? I guess each of us decides for ourself. One persons
reality is
anothers superstition.The one way I know to separate the two is through
a well
designed placebo controlled double blind study. Perhaps thereis another
valid
way but I have not seen one to date.For the nth time: healing is
concerned with
and directly involved with correcting health imbalances before they
rise to
illness, and correcting imbalances that affect those aspects of health
that
CANNOT be adequatelyquantified by the most stringent of conventional
methodsI
agree with you completely that preventative health care
(correctingproblems
before they arise) is a VERY important part of staying wel land
preventing
disease and that conventional medicine does a quite poor job in this
area. This
is a major problem in which people really need to take responsibility
for
maintaining their good health through good diet, exercise and avoiding
unhealthy things.The mixture of two or more pharmaceuticals produces a
state
that has NEVER been studied or validated. As a system, conventional
therapy
validates>ISOLATES, and then freely mixes and matches them, unconcerned
that
this resulting therapy is not validated. So validation counts for
fairly
little, outside of those isolated entities that can be so tested. You
are quite
right that using multiple medications may be very dangerous and that
frequenty
people suffer bad consequences from harmful interactions between
medications.
There are book written about medication interactions and the importance
of not
using medications together if they are not compatible. Medication
interactions
ARE studied and good clinicians DO NOTmix them freely. Perhaps you
could share
with us how specifically you would like to validate the mixture of two
or more
pharmaceuticalsin terms of safety. Which leaves us staring at the
traditional
basis for validation: longstanding, careful observation and stringent
empiricism. Hard to beat two thousand years of very sophisticated
formula
development. They weren't exactly apes throwing stones at the moon.

Yes Paul I realize that you have been really impressed by this long
standing
tradition and base much of your belief on the number ofyears that it
has been
around and the validation based upon all these clinicians observing
billions of
patients over thousands of years. My point is that this does not
constitute
validity in my mind. In your mind it does, in my mind it does not
..Perhaps
wecould agree to disagree.

Aloha,Rich

---------------
Richard Jacobson
Better to be uncertain about something than to be
sure and be wrong about it

jdrew63929@aol.com

2005-02-12, 1:31 pm