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carabelli

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

As of 1/31/05 my staff has used 26% of their personal/sick days.

I get zero.

carabelli

Dr Steve

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

They figure they *have* to use them or "lose them",,,, right?

--
~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
.....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
.......................
"carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> wrote in message
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> As of 1/31/05 my staff has used 26% of their personal/sick days.
>
> I get zero.
>
> carabelli
>
>

carabelli

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

"Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote in message
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> They figure they *have* to use them or "lose them",,,, right?
>
> --
> ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
> Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
> Troy, Michigan, USA

They don't lose them until 12/31/05, and this year's rate of use is typical.
Nobody has ever left some unused. Usually there is whining by the end of
April because they're all gone already.

carabelli

Advocate147

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

Carabelli,

Sounds like your staff have a problem.
I hate to be such a dud as to say it might be mercury? in respect to Jan, or
crohns symptoms, without respect to me. Crohns has very insidious symptoms, a
back ache, and many others. Oh well, not such good insight? I know you think
this has no place in dentistry newsgroup, but it has a place in everyday life
anywhere.

Gail

W_B

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:55:42 GMT, "carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> wrote:

>As of 1/31/05 my staff has used 26% of their personal/sick days.
>
>I get zero.
>
>carabelli

My staff gets 0 sick days.
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

carabelli

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

"Advocate147" <advocate147@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Carabelli,
>
> Sounds like your staff have a problem.

Yeah, it's called an employer that gives employees 6 paid personal/sick days
a year and they go through it like a kid in a candy store and are upset
when they're all gone.

> I hate to be such a dud as to say it might be mercury? in respect to Jan,

Jan who?

If you want to be a dud that's fine with us. Mercury? I'm an
orthodontist - they didn't get any at our office

> or
> crohns symptoms, without respect to me. Crohns has very insidious
symptoms, a
> back ache, and many others. Oh well, not such good insight?

considering the estimate of 1.2 to 15 cases per 100,000 in the US I'm
doubtful.

> I know you think
> this has no place in dentistry newsgroup, but it has a place in everyday
life
> anywhere.
>
> Gail

carabelli

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:55:42 GMT, "carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not>
wrote:
>
>
>
> My staff gets 0 sick days.
> --
>
> W_B

That's another option - I should probably limit them quarterly.

carabelli

W_B

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:27:09 GMT, "carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> wrote:

>
>"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>news:pa1701tdoor2ooq4lkefa14hacgtna5cto@4ax.com...
>wrote:
>
>That's another option - I should probably limit them quarterly.
>
>carabelli
>
It would be a start.

6 / 4 = ?

How would you dole them out ?
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

Advocate147

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

"Considering the estimate of 1.2 to 15 cases per l00,000in the US I'M
doubtful."

Those represent the numbers known or diagnosed. Dr. Jonathon Rosenberg MD
and Jay Goldstein MD professor of medicine, Univ of Illinois at Chicago,
College of Medicine says IBS costs the US healthcare system $8 billion annually
to put it briefly. That would hardly be the cost for 1.2 to 15 cases per
100,000.
That is only what is known.
To put if frankly, I KNOW it is more like 8 percent of the population and
growing.
A simple extension of a cold or flu, backache, extreme tiredness, depression,
are the least serious symptoms. Surgery to remove the colon, (as Marvin Bush
has had) removing involved gut, etc etc are the more advanced symptoms. The
Crohns-colitis foundation has adopted a "Got Guts" slogan for a bracelet they
are selling. They should use a "still got your guts" slogan to be more
accurate. Enough for today. More than anyone wants to know. Not to scare
anyone.
Some of the dentists are the recipient of dental work due to crohns.
And now pres Bush has appointed a committee to look into this growing problem.
We could finance SS with what is being spent on this research with the results
to be more disastrous to the cause of crohns than can be imagined.
Not meaning this to be directed to you, it is a problem for everyone, I could
bet anything on it.
Research is world wide.
Gail

Vaughn

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

"carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> wrote in message
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> As of 1/31/05 my staff has used 26% of their personal/sick days.

Interesting subject! On possibility would be to adjust your policy to
reward the desired behavior from your staff.

Perhaps one problem is that you made them "personal/sick" days rather than
just "sick" days, which makes it OK to use them. Where I work, you are not
entitled to a sick day unless you are sick. They have a couple of carrots to
entice employees to only use sick days for their proper purpose. The result is
a win-win situation. (there is also a "stick" or two for employees who abuse
sick time) After 30++ years with that employer, my "carrots" now number in the
5 figures.

The dental lab where my wife works takes a far different approach that
seems quite rational for a small employer. They have no sick days at all.
Occasionally, when an employee has lost serious time due to a known-real
illness, the lab owners have been known to pay sick time out of the goodness of
their heart, but this is never done routinely. Vacation pay is also a bit
strange. Around April, they hand each employee an envelope containing their
vacation pay and that is the end of it.

Vaughn

> I get zero.
>
> carabelli
>
>

Joel M. Eichen

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:08:57 GMT, "Vaughn"
<vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote:

>
>"carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> wrote in message
>news:ibpMd.142338$w62.89695@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> Interesting subject! On possibility would be to adjust your policy to
>reward the desired behavior from your staff.

Yup, 150 sick days .......

>
> Perhaps one problem is that you made them "personal/sick" days rather than
>just "sick" days, which makes it OK to use them. Where I work, you are not
>entitled to a sick day unless you are sick. They have a couple of carrots to
>entice employees to only use sick days for their proper purpose. The result is
>a win-win situation. (there is also a "stick" or two for employees who abuse
>sick time) After 30++ years with that employer, my "carrots" now number in the
>5 figures.
>
> The dental lab where my wife works takes a far different approach that
>seems quite rational for a small employer. They have no sick days at all.
>Occasionally, when an employee has lost serious time due to a known-real
>illness, the lab owners have been known to pay sick time out of the goodness of
>their heart, but this is never done routinely. Vacation pay is also a bit
>strange. Around April, they hand each employee an envelope containing their
>vacation pay and that is the end of it.
>
>Vaughn
>
>
>

silverblue001@hotmail.com

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

Joel M. Eichen wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:08:57 GMT, "Vaughn"
> <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote:
>
policy to[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Yup, 150 sick days .......
>

Hahahaha ...that's how my dad's work does it. Instead of losing sick
days you don't use, they just keep adding up year after year. As it
stands right now, my dad could take almost a full year off. =p

Vaughn

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

<silverblue001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Hahahaha ...that's how my dad's work does it. Instead of losing sick
> days you don't use, they just keep adding up year after year. As it
> stands right now, my dad could take almost a full year off.

Me too, but I understand why a small employer can't do that. When you have
lots of employees, you can play the odds. I always have at least 120 sick days
available. If I had to use them to weather a major illness, I would still be
earning sick days, vacation days, and holidays while I was out sick; so those
120 days would stretch out for most of a year. Those days are worth real money
to me because they are just as good as disability insurance, and I get paid for
a % of them when I retire.

Also, I game the system a bit to keep my accruals as high as possible.
High accruals give me a bit of immunity from mid-budget year layoffs.

Vaughn

>

Dr Steve

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

I give full time help one week vacation after twelve months full time
employment. They get the average of the preceding 6 weeks for their week's
vacation. If they took time off during that period, their vacation pay is
smaller. Personal/sick days accumulate one for every 4 months of full time
work. Therefore, they only get one paid day off a quarter unless they save
them up.

--
~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
.....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
.......................
"carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> wrote in message
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>
> "W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:pa1701tdoor2ooq4lkefa14hacgtna5cto@4ax.com...
> wrote:
>
> That's another option - I should probably limit them quarterly.
>
> carabelli
>
>

Roy Brown

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

Consider changing the rules.

Give them 1/2 day a month worked (prorated for P/T) paid sick leave that they
can accumulate.

Then offer them a choice -

1: @ Y/E offer to pay 1/2 unused in cash bonus
and carry forward remaining for next year letting them accumulate a few weeks
maximum. (remind them of Xmas bills)
(The abusers would only have used up 4.2% as of Jan 31 and it would have cost
them 1/2 a day in lost wages to do so)

or 2: carry it all forward.

or change the sick day name to PPH or GTH days
PPH = Paid Personal Holiday
GTH = Go To Heaven (not)

The way your employees see it is you are paying them anyways, changing the name
might save YOU some SLHM (Stomach Lining and Heart Muscle) if you start looking
at your generosity differently.

--
Roy
rem NADA to reply

"carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> wrote in message
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|
| Yeah, it's called an employer that gives employees 6 paid personal/sick days
| a year and they go through it like a kid in a candy store and are upset
| when they're all gone.
|
|

Roy Brown

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

If you think about it those 120 days are probably the same amount of time it
takes for your LTD or long term disability policy to kick in. A conscientious
employee can safely know they can have a serious illness or become disabled and
not lose everything they have worked for.

--
Roy
rem NADA to reply

"Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote in message
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|
| <silverblue001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:1107469296.495133.189650@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
| >
| >
| > Hahahaha ...that's how my dad's work does it. Instead of losing sick
| > days you don't use, they just keep adding up year after year. As it
| > stands right now, my dad could take almost a full year off.
|
| Me too, but I understand why a small employer can't do that. When you
have
| lots of employees, you can play the odds. I always have at least 120 sick
days
| available. If I had to use them to weather a major illness, I would still be
| earning sick days, vacation days, and holidays while I was out sick; so those
| 120 days would stretch out for most of a year. Those days are worth real
money
| to me because they are just as good as disability insurance, and I get paid
for
| a % of them when I retire.
|
| Also, I game the system a bit to keep my accruals as high as possible.
| High accruals give me a bit of immunity from mid-budget year layoffs.
|
| Vaughn
|
|
|
|
| >
|
|

Vaughn

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

"Roy Brown" <roybrown@sympatico.caNADA> wrote in message
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> If you think about it those 120 days are probably the same amount of time it
> takes for your LTD or long term disability policy to kick in.

Is that a Canadian thing?

In the US of A a very few people have commercial LTD insurance, which
typically takes 30 days before it starts paying. Some pension plans have LTD,
but there are only a few of those defined benefit plans left around. Otherwise,
we only have Social Security disability, which can take 6 or more months, and
qualification is so difficult that it often takes an attorney.

Vaughn

Roy Brown

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

"Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote in message
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|
| "Roy Brown" <roybrown@sympatico.caNADA> wrote in message
| news:J5zMd.3981$lw4.805085@news20.bellglobal.com...
| > If you think about it those 120 days are probably the same amount of time it
| > takes for your LTD or long term disability policy to kick in.
|
| Is that a Canadian thing?
|
| In the US of A a very few people have commercial LTD insurance, which
| typically takes 30 days before it starts paying. Some pension plans have LTD,
| but there are only a few of those defined benefit plans left around.
Otherwise,
| we only have Social Security disability, which can take 6 or more months, and
| qualification is so difficult that it often takes an attorney.
|
| Vaughn
|

It could be. I've always seen it with health benefit packages from employers. My
association offers an option to purchase this in their insurance package. They
even have an option for specific critical illnesses that kick in after 30
days.(Read as expensive).
My wife's LTD package is based on the unionized employees negotiated health
insurance package, which lets them accumulate up to 120 days sick leave paid for
by the employer and then the LTD kicks in. If the employee has not accumulated
the sick days and something happens where they are unable to work for medical
reasons - they are SOL until the LTD kicks in. I can imagine qualifying for the
LTD will be as difficult as qualifying for your Social Security disability since
we all know how the insurance industry likes to pay out on it's policies. The
LTD packages are over and above our equivalent of Social Security with no claw
backs.

--
Roy

Vaughn

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

"Roy Brown" <roybrown@sympatico.caNADA> wrote in message
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> | Is that a Canadian thing?
> |
> | In the US of A a very few people have commercial LTD insurance, which
> | typically takes 30 days before it starts paying. Some pension plans have
> LTD,
> | but there are only a few of those defined benefit plans left around.
> Otherwise,
> | we only have Social Security disability, which can take 6 or more months,
> and
> | qualification is so difficult that it often takes an attorney.
> |
> | Vaughn
> |
>
> It could be. I've always seen it with health benefit packages from employers.

My employer offers LTD, and a bunch of specific-illness insurance ripoffs,
but I doubt if many buy it. I don't. I do pay extra (a lot extra) to get PPO
rather than HMO health insurance.

Vaughn

Roy Brown

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

"Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote in message
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|
| "Roy Brown" <roybrown@sympatico.caNADA> wrote in message
| news:S5AMd.4028$lw4.818214@news20.bellglobal.com...
| > | Is that a Canadian thing?
| > |
| > | In the US of A a very few people have commercial LTD insurance, which
| > | typically takes 30 days before it starts paying. Some pension plans have
| > LTD,
| > | but there are only a few of those defined benefit plans left around.
| > Otherwise,
| > | we only have Social Security disability, which can take 6 or more months,
| > and
| > | qualification is so difficult that it often takes an attorney.
| > |
| > | Vaughn
| > |
| >
| > It could be. I've always seen it with health benefit packages from
employers.
|
| My employer offers LTD, and a bunch of specific-illness insurance ripoffs,
| but I doubt if many buy it. I don't. I do pay extra (a lot extra) to get PPO
| rather than HMO health insurance.
|
| Vaughn
|

Since we have a quasi socialized health insurance up here, I don't understand
the differences between PPO and HMO. Care to give a basic explanation? And how
does a 401 K work?

--
Roy
rem NADA to reply

Vaughn

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

"Roy Brown" <roybrown@sympatico.caNADA> wrote in message
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> Since we have a quasi socialized health insurance up here, I don't understand
> the differences between PPO and HMO. Care to give a basic explanation? And how
> does a 401 K work?

An HMO (Health Maintenance Organization) is a deal where your provider
supplies you with a limited pool of physicians to choose from, strictly limits
you to certain hospitals, limits your access to specialists, and makes many
decisions regarding your health care. You typically have no benefits outside of
the network.

A PPO (Preferred Provider Organization) generally gives you a very good
deal if you are willing to use one of the "pool" physicians and /or certain
designated hospitals, but also provides benefits if you go outside the network.

A 401K is an incentive to save for your retirement. It allows you to put
money in an investment account and allows it to grow (or shrink as the case may
be) tax-advantaged if you do not touch it until you reach a certain age. It has
become perhaps the most common type of private retirement plan these days. An
advantage is that you can go from employer to employer and never lose benefits.
A disadvantage is that nothing is guaranteed. You can have a bad day on the
stock exchange and end up working many extra years before you can afford to
retire. Once retired, you can also run out of money before you run out of
heartbeats. Our President would like to convert at least part of Social
Security to this type of deal.

Vaughn

>
> --
> Roy
> rem NADA to reply
>
>

carabelli

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

"Joel M. Eichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:08:57 GMT, "Vaughn"
> <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote:
>
>
> Yup, 150 sick days .......
>
What was I thinking??? I need a 12 step program Joel. Just when I'm
certain I have my mind right I backslide like this. Nobody should come to
work if they don't feel like it. You can't have a happy village otherwise.

Sorry

carabelli

W_B

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:57:53 GMT, "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote:

>I give full time help one week vacation after twelve months full time
>employment. They get the average of the preceding 6 weeks for their week's
>vacation. If they took time off during that period, their vacation pay is
>smaller. Personal/sick days accumulate one for every 4 months of full time
>work. Therefore, they only get one paid day off a quarter unless they save
>them up.
>
>--
>~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
>Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.

Excellent.

That's a keeper boyz...

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE

W_B

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:06:12 -0500, "Roy Brown"
<roybrown@sympatico.caNADA> wrote:

>Then offer them a choice -

>Roy

Good ideas for a bigger clinic.
Complicated.

I offer this choice:
Work and get paid;
--or--
No work, no pay.

(not asking for anything that I haven't done myself)

Pick yer poison.

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE

Jan

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

>Subject: YTD
>From: "carabelli" redslaz3@att.net.not
>Date: 2/3/2005 4:55 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <ibpMd.142338$w62.89695@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>
>As of 1/31/05 my staff has used 26% of their personal/sick days.
>
>I get zero.
>
>carabelli

Just a part of being a business owner.

Look at you income compared to theirs.

Jan

Jan

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

>Subject: Re: YTD
>From: "carabelli" redslaz3@att.net.not
>Date: 2/3/2005 8:25 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <6gsMd.644$Th1.96@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>
>
>"Advocate147" <advocate147@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20050203101141.13716.00000269@mb-m23.aol.com...
>
>Yeah, it's called an employer that gives employees 6 paid personal/sick days
>a year and they go through it like a kid in a candy store and are upset
>when they're all gone.

We live in a very spoiled society, the more you give, it soon becomes expected.

>If you want to be a dud that's fine with us.

As in mentioning the name *Jan*

> Mercury? I'm an
>orthodontist - they didn't get any at our office

What do they get??

Metal???

> Crohns has very insidious
>symptoms, a
>
>considering the estimate of 1.2 to 15 cases per 100,000 in the US I'm
>doubtful.

OMG!!!!!!

Is there ANY limit to the LIES told here?????

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/med...hp?newsid=19501

Crohn's disease is a serious chronic and inflammatory disease of the
gastrointestinal tract that affects approximately 500,000 Americans and is
typically diagnosed before age 30. Common symptoms of the disease include
diarrhea, cramping, abdominal pain, weight loss, fever and in some cases rectal
bleeding. There is no cure for Crohn's disease.

Jan

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

>Subject: Re: YTD
>From: advocate147@aol.com (Advocate147)
>Date: 2/3/2005 10:52 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <20050203135239.01984.00000388@mb-m14.aol.com>
>
>"Considering the estimate of 1.2 to 15 cases per l00,000in the US I'M
>doubtful."
>
>Those represent the numbers known or diagnosed. Dr. Jonathon Rosenberg MD
>and Jay Goldstein MD professor of medicine, Univ of Illinois at Chicago,
>College of Medicine says IBS costs the US healthcare system $8 billion
>annually
>to put it briefly. That would hardly be the cost for 1.2 to 15 cases per
>100,000.
>That is only what is known.
>To put if frankly, I KNOW it is more like 8 percent of the population and
>growing.
>A simple extension of a cold or flu, backache, extreme tiredness, depression,
>are the least serious symptoms. Surgery to remove the colon, (as Marvin
>Bush
>has had) removing involved gut, etc etc are the more advanced symptoms. The
>Crohns-colitis foundation has adopted a "Got Guts" slogan for a bracelet they
>are selling. They should use a "still got your guts" slogan to be more
>accurate. Enough for today. More than anyone wants to know. Not to scare
>anyone.
>Some of the dentists are the recipient of dental work due to crohns.
>And now pres Bush has appointed a committee to look into this growing
>problem.
>We could finance SS with what is being spent on this research with the
>results
>to be more disastrous to the cause of crohns than can be imagined.
>Not meaning this to be directed to you, it is a problem for everyone, I could
>bet anything on it.
>Research is world wide.
>Gail

Such a pity th non compassion and LIES that flow here.

DESPICABLE.

Jan

Jan

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

>Subject: Re: YTD
>From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net
>Date: 2/3/2005 8:46 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <he6601t7o31pct6ddn68bnhfrql08qn129@4ax.com>
>
>On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:06:12 -0500, "Roy Brown"
><roybrown@sympatico.caNADA> wrote:
>
>
>
>Good ideas for a bigger clinic.
>Complicated.
>
>I offer this choice:
> Work and get paid;
> --or--
> No work, no pay.
>
>(not asking for anything that I haven't done myself)
>
>Pick yer poison.
>
>--
>W_B

This comes from the guy who liar Dr Steve thinks is a find upstanding
gentleman.

He needs a reality check.

Jan

Jan

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

>Subject: Re: YTD
>From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net
>Date: 2/3/2005 8:16 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <pa1701tdoor2ooq4lkefa14hacgtna5cto@4ax.com>
>
>On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:55:42 GMT, "carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> wrote:
>
>
>
>My staff gets 0 sick days.
>--
>
>W_B

Is anyone surprised??

Nice guy, selfish lying filthy mouth non compassion JERK.

Jan

Jan

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

>Subject: Re: YTD
>From: "carabelli" huerter@worldnet.att.net
>Date: 2/3/2005 8:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <nBCMd.2341$Th1.1841@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>
>
>"Joel M. Eichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:7t7501ttc3auqu072lfp4caackcfi8hi52@4ax.com...
>What was I thinking??? I need a 12 step program Joel. Just when I'm
>certain I have my mind right I backslide like this. Nobody should come to
>work if they don't feel like it. You can't have a happy village otherwise.
>
>Sorry
>
>carabelli

Thank you.

Joel is an IDIOT and a VERY SICK JERK. with not one iota of feeling or decency

Jan

Vaughn

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:6b6601d063vp75dsv8vadj5nm3hfcm4v39@4ax.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:57:53 GMT, "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote:
>

That is an excellent example of a policy written to elicit a desired
behavior.

Vaughn

Vaughn

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:he6601t7o31pct6ddn68bnhfrql08qn129@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:06:12 -0500, "Roy Brown"
>
> Good ideas for a bigger clinic.
> Complicated.
>
> I offer this choice:
> Work and get paid;
> --or--
> No work, no pay.

Not an uncommon deal at a small employer, pretty much the same as my wife's
dental lab.

Vaughn

Dr. Steve

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:15:48 GMT, "Vaughn"
<vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote:

>
>"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>news:6b6601d063vp75dsv8vadj5nm3hfcm4v39@4ax.com...
>
> That is an excellent example of a policy written to elicit a desired
>behavior.
>
>Vaughn
>

I have also connected vacation pay to the December Holidays. Every
year I had 2-4 employees asking for the time between Dec. 25th and
Jan. 1st as time off. We now allow them to take that week off, but
they lose their vacation pay for the year.
...
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.

Dr. Steve

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On 04 Feb 2005 06:17:01 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
[snip]

I have been to W_B's dental office. in person. Don't believe the
Troll. He has a happy devoted staff. And, he treats them very well.
...
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.

W_B

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:11:58 GMT, Dr. Steve <drsteve@no-spam.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:15:48 GMT, "Vaughn"
><vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote:
>
>
>I have also connected vacation pay to the December Holidays. Every
>year I had 2-4 employees asking for the time between Dec. 25th and
>Jan. 1st as time off. We now allow them to take that week off, but
>they lose their vacation pay for the year.
>..
>Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.

I take that week off so it doesn't really matter to me.
One does have to answer the phone and that can
be a telephone transfer so it can be done from home.

--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

W_B

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:15:04 GMT, Dr. Steve <drsteve@no-spam.com> wrote:

>[snip]
>
>
> I have been to W_B's dental office. in person. Don't believe the
>Troll. He has a happy devoted staff. And, he treats them very well.
>..

They get plenty of time off and get paid well.
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

Dr. Steve

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:38:33 GMT, W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:11:58 GMT, Dr. Steve <drsteve@no-spam.com> wrote:
>
>
>I take that week off so it doesn't really matter to me.
>One does have to answer the phone and that can
>be a telephone transfer so it can be done from home.

We always work that week, as a lot of patients find it convenient to
come in those days. That week is usually booked quite full and for a
long time ahead. Then, the week before, I would get all these requests
for time off. Since I would have to hire temporary help and get a
"sitter" for our kid, I did not appreciate the last minute notice. So,
I figured that. if they want the time off that badly, they can share
the higher cost to me of taking that week off
...
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.

W_B

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:53:23 GMT, Dr. Steve <drsteve@no-spam.com> wrote:

>
>
>We always work that week, as a lot of patients find it convenient to
>come in those days. That week is usually booked quite full and for a
>long time ahead. Then, the week before, I would get all these requests
>for time off. Since I would have to hire temporary help and get a
>"sitter" for our kid, I did not appreciate the last minute notice. So,
>I figured that. if they want the time off that badly, they can share
>the higher cost to me of taking that week off
>..
>Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.

Slave driver. <hehe>

My past experience was that the week would get booked solid
and most would no show.

Haven't worked that week in well over a decade.

Good time to spend with the family.
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

W_B

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:18:06 GMT, "Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@att.fake.net> wrote:

>
>"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>news:he6601t7o31pct6ddn68bnhfrql08qn129@4ax.com...
>
> Not an uncommon deal at a small employer, pretty much the same as my wife's
>dental lab.
>
>Vaughn
>
The girls get plenty of time off, 4 1/2 day work week and off when
I am. It's not a bad deal.
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

Dr. Steve

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:48:33 GMT, W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:53:23 GMT, Dr. Steve <drsteve@no-spam.com> wrote:
>
>
>Slave driver. <hehe>
>
>My past experience was that the week would get booked solid
>and most would no show.
>
>Haven't worked that week in well over a decade.
>
>Good time to spend with the family.

We have not had the no-show problem for that week.
...
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.

MC60614

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

Oh We Do Know Gail, We Know. MC

MC60614

2005-02-07, 8:28 am

They must work sick all the time..AIF..MC

Vaughn

2005-02-07, 8:28 am

"MC60614" <mc60614@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20050206221458.02159.00000326@mb-m14.aol.com...
> They must work sick all the time..AIF..MC

Please work on your posting style. All of your posts are out of context because
we have no idea what you are referring to.

Vaughn

Dr Steve

2005-02-12, 1:30 pm

carabelli

2005-02-12, 1:30 pm