Dentistry - Government extorting money from dentists.

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Government extorting money from dentists.

Alexander Vasserman DDS

2005-01-17, 7:08 pm

The City of Los Angeles has resorted to extortion.

In August some woman from the City of Los Angeles Department of Public
Works Showed up at my office while I was out on personal business.
She handed an application for an Industrial Waste Permit which involved
a registration fee and a video on proper handling of amalgam waste
dually created by the ADA/CDA. This woman did not examine this office
and was ademant about convincing my staff that we are in violation of
the city ordinance just because they met with The ADA/CDA and it was
determined that all dentists are.
I am in a medical building where we have centralized air and suction
system.
Appearently this fee is supposed to allow you to dispose of
gluteraldehyde, ketones, alcohols, and elemental amalgam particles plus
other similar materials into the public sewage system by providing you
with a permit to do so. GO FIGURE THE LOGIC?????
It also is supposed to supervise the collection of fixer developer and
amalgam and precious metal scrap and lead foils from x-ray film but
nobody ever shows up to check this.
At this point I am not ever sure that this foil is actually lead
probably aluminum since the film is so sensitive now a days but only
KODAK knows for sure and that's another discussion and doesn't apply to
my case since i have digital x-rays.
NOw I do not place any Amalgam nor have I for many years, I have
digital x-rays which I invested in earlier this year. I also do not
remove amalgam I'm mostly a veneer practice. And the rare occasion that
I run into a silver filling I have an independent suction system
separate from the city and we have the waste picked up when enough of
it accumulated. Also we do not dump gluteraldehyde into the drain it is
used for wiping down equiptment only. The ultrasonic cleaner we use is
biodegradable enzymatic and is not on the city's forbidden list.
Extacted teeth are soacked on bleach and given to their respected
owners enamel, amalgam and all. And they can either store these teeth
in their mouths as recommended by the FDA or in class jars under
mineral oil.
So where you may ask this is going??? Last week I recieve an
invoice/violation notice from the city with a fine for $350 for being
in violation of illegally discharging condemened mercury into the city
sewage system. this invoice contains further threats of this being
punishable by a misdemeanor jail time and an additional $1000.00 fine.
They can test for these acts by taking a sample or photograph. What if
my patient had too much sushi and rinsed their mouth in my cuspidor? or
what if there is something in the lines from the previous dentists who
practiced in my office before I bought it??
And the piss of the whole thing is I am not guilty of any of this stuff
this woman just walks by picks up a business card with DDS or DMD
behind it and all of a sudden I am accused of being guilty.
I am begining to suffer anxiety attacks and mental anguish as a result
of these threats. Where is the ADA/CDA on this harassment?

This amalgam thing is like a nightmare you can't escape it, you try not
not put it in and yet it still haunts you. Since I am not contributing
to it's placement I feel it is unethical for me to pay for the actions
of others. Dentists that refused to place it had their licences revoked
in the past now they are being penalized for what everybody else is
doing with these HMO games. The dental boards still have the amalgam as
past of their licensure exam. What the hell is this system coming to,
makes you just want to hang up the handpiece.

carabelli

2005-01-17, 7:08 pm

"Alexander Vasserman DDS" <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1106003881.733618.109830@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> The City of Los Angeles has resorted to extortion.
>
> In August some woman from the City of Los Angeles Department of Public
> Works Showed up at my office while I was out on personal business.
> She handed an application for an Industrial Waste Permit ..........

Well if this were happening to me I would be more than a little PO'd.

I would rewrite a draft of your post, send it to "Letters to the Editor" for
every LA newspaper. Then I would send a copy (certified mail) to the mayor,
every city council member and the head of Public Works, along with a letter
stating that they better check up on liability coverage because you are
going to sue their sorry butts if this is not resolved immediately.

I suppose (sigh) it would be wise to give your attorney a heads up before
you do it, but that would take all the fun out of it.
carabelli

Joel M. Eichen

2005-01-17, 7:08 pm

Unbelievable. Thanks for sharing with us.

Joel

On 17 Jan 2005 15:18:01 -0800, "Alexander Vasserman DDS"
<purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>The City of Los Angeles has resorted to extortion.
>
>In August some woman from the City of Los Angeles Department of Public
>Works Showed up at my office while I was out on personal business.
>She handed an application for an Industrial Waste Permit which involved
>a registration fee and a video on proper handling of amalgam waste
>dually created by the ADA/CDA. This woman did not examine this office
>and was ademant about convincing my staff that we are in violation of
>the city ordinance just because they met with The ADA/CDA and it was
>determined that all dentists are.
>I am in a medical building where we have centralized air and suction
>system.
>Appearently this fee is supposed to allow you to dispose of
>gluteraldehyde, ketones, alcohols, and elemental amalgam particles plus
>other similar materials into the public sewage system by providing you
>with a permit to do so. GO FIGURE THE LOGIC?????
>It also is supposed to supervise the collection of fixer developer and
>amalgam and precious metal scrap and lead foils from x-ray film but
>nobody ever shows up to check this.
>At this point I am not ever sure that this foil is actually lead
>probably aluminum since the film is so sensitive now a days but only
>KODAK knows for sure and that's another discussion and doesn't apply to
>my case since i have digital x-rays.
>NOw I do not place any Amalgam nor have I for many years, I have
>digital x-rays which I invested in earlier this year. I also do not
>remove amalgam I'm mostly a veneer practice. And the rare occasion that
>I run into a silver filling I have an independent suction system
>separate from the city and we have the waste picked up when enough of
>it accumulated. Also we do not dump gluteraldehyde into the drain it is
>used for wiping down equiptment only. The ultrasonic cleaner we use is
>biodegradable enzymatic and is not on the city's forbidden list.
>Extacted teeth are soacked on bleach and given to their respected
>owners enamel, amalgam and all. And they can either store these teeth
>in their mouths as recommended by the FDA or in class jars under
>mineral oil.
>So where you may ask this is going??? Last week I recieve an
>invoice/violation notice from the city with a fine for $350 for being
>in violation of illegally discharging condemened mercury into the city
>sewage system. this invoice contains further threats of this being
>punishable by a misdemeanor jail time and an additional $1000.00 fine.
>They can test for these acts by taking a sample or photograph. What if
>my patient had too much sushi and rinsed their mouth in my cuspidor? or
>what if there is something in the lines from the previous dentists who
>practiced in my office before I bought it??
>And the piss of the whole thing is I am not guilty of any of this stuff
>this woman just walks by picks up a business card with DDS or DMD
>behind it and all of a sudden I am accused of being guilty.
>I am begining to suffer anxiety attacks and mental anguish as a result
>of these threats. Where is the ADA/CDA on this harassment?
>
>This amalgam thing is like a nightmare you can't escape it, you try not
>not put it in and yet it still haunts you. Since I am not contributing
>to it's placement I feel it is unethical for me to pay for the actions
>of others. Dentists that refused to place it had their licences revoked
>in the past now they are being penalized for what everybody else is
>doing with these HMO games. The dental boards still have the amalgam as
>past of their licensure exam. What the hell is this system coming to,
>makes you just want to hang up the handpiece.

Alexander Vasserman DDS

2005-01-17, 7:08 pm

So you think I should do a press release?

carabelli

2005-01-17, 10:07 pm

"Alexander Vasserman DDS" <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1106009575.671781.154580@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> So you think I should do a press release?
>

I think a letter to the editor would suffice, but that is your call. The
point is to be certain the powers that be have their bell rung at the same
time.

carabelli

Steven Fawks

2005-01-18, 11:07 am

Local 'extortion' so far, has been limited to having an 'anti suck
back' valve installed at the office and paying an annual fee to have
it inspected.

The stupidity here is that my dental units are not even hooked up to
city water.

Like Alex, I don't use amalgam in my practice (2005 marks 20 years
since my last trituration), but I do cut a lot of it out of teeth
in the normal course of treatment. I could understand a separater
being a good idea.

If Alex is an ADA member, he should contact them also.

JMO,
Fawks

>
>
>
> Well if this were happening to me I would be more than a little PO'd.
>
> I would rewrite a draft of your post, send it to "Letters to the Editor" for
> every LA newspaper. Then I would send a copy (certified mail) to the mayor,
> every city council member and the head of Public Works, along with a letter
> stating that they better check up on liability coverage because you are
> going to sue their sorry butts if this is not resolved immediately.
>
> I suppose (sigh) it would be wise to give your attorney a heads up before
> you do it, but that would take all the fun out of it.
> carabelli
>
>

Roy Brown

2005-01-18, 11:07 am

"carabelli" <huerter@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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|
| "Alexander Vasserman DDS" <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
| news:1106009575.671781.154580@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| > So you think I should do a press release?
| >
|
| I think a letter to the editor would suffice, but that is your call. The
| point is to be certain the powers that be have their bell rung at the same
| time.
|
| carabelli
|

Did the inspector leave their card back in August? You might want to check with
the office of your local councillor first. See what they can do and verify that
this is not a scam. If it's not a scam and your councillor can do nothing, then
it is letter time. What about the other people in the building? If it is a
centralized system which is part of your rent or condo fees, then only the
property management should be paying the fee. Got a local dental association
that might want to help out with everyone in your area?
--
Roy
rem NADA to reply

Joel M. Eichen

2005-01-18, 11:07 am

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:53:22 -0500, "Roy Brown"
<roybrown@sympatico.caNADA> wrote:

>"carabelli" <huerter@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:1M_Gd.19235$S11.555@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>|
>| "Alexander Vasserman DDS" <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>| news:1106009575.671781.154580@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>| > So you think I should do a press release?
>| >
>|
>| I think a letter to the editor would suffice, but that is your call. The
>| point is to be certain the powers that be have their bell rung at the same
>| time.
>|
>| carabelli
>|
>
>
>Did the inspector leave their card back in August? You might want to check with
>the office of your local councillor first. See what they can do and verify that
>this is not a scam. If it's not a scam and your councillor can do nothing, then
>it is letter time.

Or make sure that the councillor is not in charge of the entire scam
.......

It is a great idea for Philadelphia though. We have almost every other
scam known to mankind already going on here. We have federal trials
going on right now!

Joel

> What about the other people in the building? If it is a
>centralized system which is part of your rent or condo fees, then only the
>property management should be paying the fee. Got a local dental association
>that might want to help out with everyone in your area?

Joel M. Eichen

2005-01-18, 7:09 pm

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:35:43 -0500, Joel M. Eichen
<joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:53:22 -0500, "Roy Brown"
><roybrown@sympatico.caNADA> wrote:
>
>
>Or make sure that the councillor is not in charge of the entire scam
>......
>
>It is a great idea for Philadelphia though. We have almost every other
>scam known to mankind already going on here. We have federal trials
>going on right now!
>
>Joel
>
>
>

Here is one for people who are bored.

Its a Sheriff's Sale of worthless properties ..........

Posted on Tue, Jan. 18, 2005

Jill Porter | Buyer beware, too late

Woman thought she bid on a house. Instead she paid a $1,700 down
payment for a crumbling water tower.

DENISE Berry is standing in an auditorium filled with other
dream-seekers. Her heart pounds as she bids again and again and then
realizes: everyone who was competing against her has sat down.

Tears sting her eyes. She's done it.

Years of drug addiction, prison and homelessness can be put behind her
now.

With her daughter's help, she's bought a house at sheriff's sale.

"I was crying, I was saying, 'Thank you, Jesus, I got me a home,' "
Berry recalled of that moment last June 24. "I had to get out of the
seat and run to the bathroom, because I was crying."

Berry paid the $1,700 down payment with money her daughter gave her.
And the two of them drove to Overbrook to see the house again and
marvel at their good fortune.

It was then that Berry learned the agonizing truth: She hadn't bought
a house at all.

She'd bought a crumbling stone water tower behind a house that once
belonged to a steam-heat company.

And the new life she envisioned for herself was still an elusive
dream.

"I can't understand why they didn't let people know," said Berry, who
I've identified by a pseudonym because she's embarrassed about her
past - and by this latest setback.

"Why would a homeless person be getting a water tower?"

Naive and unsuspecting people often buy properties at sheriff's sale
that aren't what they'd hoped. The house is uninhabitable, say, or
they mistakenly bought an empty lot.

But this isn't just about the unforgiving world of sheriff's sales,
where "buyer beware" is the motto - and there are no refunds.

This is worse.

This is about worthless property that should never be for sale to
begin with.

This is about old water towers, drainage ditches, access roads and
other unusable land that remain on city books and end up at sheriff's
sale.

It's about the people who discover it's there - in this case, a law
firm foreclosing on tax liens - and do nothing about it but recycle
the properties, allowing other unwitting buyers to be duped.

These properties amount to a trap, however unintentional, that
victimizes unsophisticated people who buy properties that no savvy
investor would.

Fortunately, in Berry's case there's a chance of a happy ending.

But how many similar stories are out there?

This property is one of thousands foreclosed on as part of a
complicated tax lien sale the city conducted seven years ago.

Berry, 58, thought she was buying a single home in Overbrook. The
official description in the sheriff's notice of sale didn't identify
it as a water tower.

The clue that Berry missed - as could anyone unfamiliar with the
process - was the letter "R" after the street address.

That meant "rear."

Not that Berry didn't check things out.

Sure, she was a recovering addict who'd been in prison and had made a
lifetime of mistakes, she said. But she was determined to do this
right.

"I did some things in my life I'm not too proud of, and I was trying
to get myself together. I know that the first thing you need is
somewhere to stay."

"People were saying that with sheriff's sales, you can get a house for
little or nothing and do a little work and fix it up," Berry said.

Even a dilapidated house she could fix up room by room would be better
than the way she lives now - paying a friend rent for a place to
sleep.

Her 31-year-old daughter has a corporate job out of state and she
wanted to help her mother start a new life.

She's not wealthy, but she was willing to borrow from her retirement
account to buy the house.

"She's a completely different person," the daughter said. "It was a
chance to start over."

So Denise Berry traveled the city, looking at properties on the
sheriff's sale list.

The house at 5860 Woodbine Ave. seemed to be all she hoped for: a big
house on a decent block in seemingly good repair.

Still determined to avoid a mistake, Berry knocked on the door and a
young woman answered.

"I asked her was this the address, and I told her it was a sheriff's
sale," Berry said.

"I think I'm helping them out, letting them know the house is on the
list."

Unfortunately, the wrong person answered Berry's knock that morning.
If Gislaine Michel would have answered - the way she did when I
knocked on a recent morning - she'd have told Berry the facts:

The house wasn't for sale. The eyesore in the back yard was.

The two-story stone tower has been there since the 1920s, when it was
built by the Overbrook Steam Heating Co. The company, which provided
water and steam heat to customers in Overbrook, went bankrupt in 1973.

The medieval-looking tower remained and is now so deteriorated that
it's been declared dangerous by the Department of Licenses and
Inspections. It would cost a fortune to demolish.

And that's what Berry had bought, as she and her daughter discovered
to their shock immediately after the sheriff's sale.

City Consumer Advocate Lance Haver - no fan of sheriff's sales for
inexperienced buyers to begin with - interceded on Berry's behalf.

"It's such a gut-wrenching thing to need a place to live," he said,
"and, under the auspices of government, to be offered a bargain - only
to find out this is not something that's appropriate."

Haver asked the law firm handling the foreclosures to refund Denise
Berry's money.

But managing attorney Sharon Humble, of Linebarger, Goggan, Blair &
Sampson - which is executing the foreclosures on behalf of Wachovia
Bank, the trustee for the bond sales - replied with a three-page
letter on July 2 that basically said: Not a chance.

Humble claimed that the sheriff's notice for the sale, which described
the property as an "irregular lot" in the "rear" owned by the
Overbrook Steam Heat Co., "should give any average citizen pause to
believe that the subject property is not a residence and that research
should be conducted before bidding on the property."

When I called the lawyer last week, at first she continued to insist
there was nothing she was legally required to do, or could do, about
the travesty.

"We have no duty to sell a property that's developable or habitable,"
she said. "It's simply foreclosing a tax lien and putting it up for
sale for whatever purpose somebody might buy it for."

And moral responsibility? To help out a hapless buyer who got stuck
with a property she can't use?

To spare other unwitting buyers from the same fate?

Because that's exactly what could happen. Berry forfeited her down
payment, which means the water tower now can be reslated for sheriff's
sale.

Eventually, Humble agreed that she could and - what do you know -
would ask the city solicitor's office to declare the tax liens
defective. "And if they will, then I can set aside the sales," she
said.

And so city officials will meet this week with all the parties
involved to to see what can be done, mayoral spokesman Dan Fee said.

Perhaps the story of Denise Berry's broken dream may have a happy
ending after all.

But it's appalling that she had to endure this much heartbreak.

And it makes me wonder: who else has fallen victim?

Joel M. Eichen

2005-01-18, 7:09 pm

On 17 Jan 2005 15:18:01 -0800, "Alexander Vasserman DDS"
<purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>The City of Los Angeles has resorted to extortion

Well they extort from everyone else, why not the dentists?

Joel

Alexander Vasserman DDS

2005-01-18, 7:09 pm

The other people got hit with the notices as well in fact there were 2
people with their government id's that showed up.

this was later followed by the fine notice which was sent by certified
mail ie I had to sign that I recieved it.

The medical buildings can be classified as 2 types.

1 one central suction for the whole bulding going into one public waste
drain

2 each suite having a suction pump and compressor which eventually goes
into the public drain.

My building is that of type 1 plus I have an independent portable
suction unit not connected to the city.

Although when I signed the lease the selling point was that I did not
need to have my own suction compressor nor deal with its maintenance or
its waste that was part of my rent and it was alwaYS TAKEN CARE OF BY
THE BUILDING.
The Government wants every business in that building to have a permit
regardless of who owns and maintains the vacuum. They are saying that
it is not the building that needs the permit thaty individual dentists
need to have it.
Basicly the only way they new i existed was they sent their people up
and down business streets and if they encountered a DDS or DMD they got
the notice regardless of what is actually done there.

I got out of the ADA and CDA since I did not get any results or the
slightest bit of action from them in the past. I was a member for 14
years paid my dues and got nothing worth while out of it. As far as I'm
concerned they are part of the reason I'm in this mess because they
helped to convince the city that every DDS/DMD deals with amalgam
including all the specialists, hygiene only practices as well.
You know when I applied for my business licence the government was
trying to convince me that I needed a retail licence and I should be
charging my patients sales tax on the crowns, fillings etc.... I had to
fight with them to get my money back after I realized what this extra
licence was for.

Roy Brown wrote:
> "carabelli" <huerter@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:1M_Gd.19235$S11.555@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> |
> | "Alexander Vasserman DDS" <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> | news:1106009575.671781.154580@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> | > So you think I should do a press release?
> | >
> |
> | I think a letter to the editor would suffice, but that is your
call. The
> | point is to be certain the powers that be have their bell rung at
the same
> | time.
> |
> | carabelli
> |
>
>
> Did the inspector leave their card back in August? You might want to
check with
> the office of your local councillor first. See what they can do and
verify that
> this is not a scam. If it's not a scam and your councillor can do
nothing, then
> it is letter time. What about the other people in the building? If it
is a
> centralized system which is part of your rent or condo fees, then
only the
> property management should be paying the fee. Got a local dental
association
> that might want to help out with everyone in your area?
> --
> Roy
> rem NADA to reply

StovePipe

2005-01-19, 2:08 am

Alexander Vasserman DDS <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> I got out of the ADA and CDA since I did not get any results or the
> slightest bit of action from them in the past. I was a member for 14
> years paid my dues and got nothing worth while out of it. As far as I'm
> concerned they are part of the reason I'm in this mess because they
> helped to convince the city that every DDS/DMD deals with amalgam
> including all the specialists, hygiene only practices as well.

I also think that your LOCAL dental association is the best bet to fight
this thing. If it goes to lawyers, etc, then I'd want them to represent
the totality of the local profession, and that way you have some clout,
perhaps a bit of newsworthiness, and you spread the fees out.
Just an idea..
SP

--
Not a real Addy, yet

W_B

2005-01-19, 7:08 pm

On 17 Jan 2005 16:52:55 -0800, "Alexander Vasserman DDS" <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>So you think I should do a press release?

Why not.
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

carabelli

2005-01-19, 7:09 pm

Steven Fawks

2005-01-27, 7:16 am

Joel M. Eichen

2005-01-27, 7:16 am

Joel M. Eichen

2005-01-27, 7:16 am

Joel M. Eichen

2005-01-27, 7:16 am

Joel M. Eichen

2005-01-27, 7:17 am

Alexander Vasserman DDS

2005-01-27, 7:17 am

So you think I should do a press release?

ares

2005-01-27, 7:17 am

Wouldn't it be a better idea to call someone in the ADA or local dental
associations and see what they're saying first? What are your peers saying
about it? Are they being harassed too? It's not a scam then?
ares

"Alexander Vasserman DDS" <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1106009575.671781.154580@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> So you think I should do a press release?
>

ares

2005-01-27, 7:17 am

Why do they have to write this in a way that they say the same thing over
and over and over; get to the dang point already........
ares

"Joel M. Eichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:t6gqu0tffha1pmftei2ef5l2fgat890fjn@4ax.com...
>
>
> Posted on Tue, Jan. 18, 2005
>
>
> Jill Porter | Buyer beware, too late
>
> Woman thought she bid on a house. Instead she paid a $1,700 down
> payment for a crumbling water tower.
>
>
> DENISE Berry is standing in an auditorium filled with other
> dream-seekers. Her heart pounds as she bids again and again and then
> realizes: everyone who was competing against her has sat down.
>
> Tears sting her eyes. She's done it.
>
> Years of drug addiction, prison and homelessness can be put behind her
> now.
>
> With her daughter's help, she's bought a house at sheriff's sale.
>
> "I was crying, I was saying, 'Thank you, Jesus, I got me a home,' "
> Berry recalled of that moment last June 24. "I had to get out of the
> seat and run to the bathroom, because I was crying."
>
> Berry paid the $1,700 down payment with money her daughter gave her.
> And the two of them drove to Overbrook to see the house again and
> marvel at their good fortune.
>
> It was then that Berry learned the agonizing truth: She hadn't bought
> a house at all.
>
> She'd bought a crumbling stone water tower behind a house that once
> belonged to a steam-heat company.
>
> And the new life she envisioned for herself was still an elusive
> dream.
>
> "I can't understand why they didn't let people know," said Berry, who
> I've identified by a pseudonym because she's embarrassed about her
> past - and by this latest setback.
>
> "Why would a homeless person be getting a water tower?"
>
> Naive and unsuspecting people often buy properties at sheriff's sale
> that aren't what they'd hoped. The house is uninhabitable, say, or
> they mistakenly bought an empty lot.
>
> But this isn't just about the unforgiving world of sheriff's sales,
> where "buyer beware" is the motto - and there are no refunds.
>
> This is worse.
>
> This is about worthless property that should never be for sale to
> begin with.
>
> This is about old water towers, drainage ditches, access roads and
> other unusable land that remain on city books and end up at sheriff's
> sale.
>
> It's about the people who discover it's there - in this case, a law
> firm foreclosing on tax liens - and do nothing about it but recycle
> the properties, allowing other unwitting buyers to be duped.
>
> These properties amount to a trap, however unintentional, that
> victimizes unsophisticated people who buy properties that no savvy
> investor would.
>
> Fortunately, in Berry's case there's a chance of a happy ending.
>
> But how many similar stories are out there?
>
> This property is one of thousands foreclosed on as part of a
> complicated tax lien sale the city conducted seven years ago.
>
> Berry, 58, thought she was buying a single home in Overbrook. The
> official description in the sheriff's notice of sale didn't identify
> it as a water tower.
>
> The clue that Berry missed - as could anyone unfamiliar with the
> process - was the letter "R" after the street address.
>
> That meant "rear."
>
> Not that Berry didn't check things out.
>
> Sure, she was a recovering addict who'd been in prison and had made a
> lifetime of mistakes, she said. But she was determined to do this
> right.
>
> "I did some things in my life I'm not too proud of, and I was trying
> to get myself together. I know that the first thing you need is
> somewhere to stay."
>
> "People were saying that with sheriff's sales, you can get a house for
> little or nothing and do a little work and fix it up," Berry said.
>
> Even a dilapidated house she could fix up room by room would be better
> than the way she lives now - paying a friend rent for a place to
> sleep.
>
> Her 31-year-old daughter has a corporate job out of state and she
> wanted to help her mother start a new life.
>
> She's not wealthy, but she was willing to borrow from her retirement
> account to buy the house.
>
> "She's a completely different person," the daughter said. "It was a
> chance to start over."
>
> So Denise Berry traveled the city, looking at properties on the
> sheriff's sale list.
>
> The house at 5860 Woodbine Ave. seemed to be all she hoped for: a big
> house on a decent block in seemingly good repair.
>
> Still determined to avoid a mistake, Berry knocked on the door and a
> young woman answered.
>
> "I asked her was this the address, and I told her it was a sheriff's
> sale," Berry said.
>
> "I think I'm helping them out, letting them know the house is on the
> list."
>
> Unfortunately, the wrong person answered Berry's knock that morning.
> If Gislaine Michel would have answered - the way she did when I
> knocked on a recent morning - she'd have told Berry the facts:
>
> The house wasn't for sale. The eyesore in the back yard was.
>
> The two-story stone tower has been there since the 1920s, when it was
> built by the Overbrook Steam Heating Co. The company, which provided
> water and steam heat to customers in Overbrook, went bankrupt in 1973.
>
> The medieval-looking tower remained and is now so deteriorated that
> it's been declared dangerous by the Department of Licenses and
> Inspections. It would cost a fortune to demolish.
>
> And that's what Berry had bought, as she and her daughter discovered
> to their shock immediately after the sheriff's sale.
>
> City Consumer Advocate Lance Haver - no fan of sheriff's sales for
> inexperienced buyers to begin with - interceded on Berry's behalf.
>
> "It's such a gut-wrenching thing to need a place to live," he said,
> "and, under the auspices of government, to be offered a bargain - only
> to find out this is not something that's appropriate."
>
> Haver asked the law firm handling the foreclosures to refund Denise
> Berry's money.
>
> But managing attorney Sharon Humble, of Linebarger, Goggan, Blair &
> Sampson - which is executing the foreclosures on behalf of Wachovia
> Bank, the trustee for the bond sales - replied with a three-page
> letter on July 2 that basically said: Not a chance.
>
> Humble claimed that the sheriff's notice for the sale, which described
> the property as an "irregular lot" in the "rear" owned by the
> Overbrook Steam Heat Co., "should give any average citizen pause to
> believe that the subject property is not a residence and that research
> should be conducted before bidding on the property."
>
> When I called the lawyer last week, at first she continued to insist
> there was nothing she was legally required to do, or could do, about
> the travesty.
>
> "We have no duty to sell a property that's developable or habitable,"
> she said. "It's simply foreclosing a tax lien and putting it up for
> sale for whatever purpose somebody might buy it for."
>
> And moral responsibility? To help out a hapless buyer who got stuck
> with a property she can't use?
>
> To spare other unwitting buyers from the same fate?
>
> Because that's exactly what could happen. Berry forfeited her down
> payment, which means the water tower now can be reslated for sheriff's
> sale.
>
> Eventually, Humble agreed that she could and - what do you know -
> would ask the city solicitor's office to declare the tax liens
> defective. "And if they will, then I can set aside the sales," she
> said.
>
> And so city officials will meet this week with all the parties
> involved to to see what can be done, mayoral spokesman Dan Fee said.
>
> Perhaps the story of Denise Berry's broken dream may have a happy
> ending after all.
>
> But it's appalling that she had to endure this much heartbreak.
>
> And it makes me wonder: who else has fallen victim?

carabelli

2005-01-27, 7:18 am

Roy Brown

2005-01-27, 7:18 am

W_B

2005-01-27, 7:18 am

On 17 Jan 2005 16:52:55 -0800, "Alexander Vasserman DDS" <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>So you think I should do a press release?

Why not.
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

Alexander Vasserman DDS

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

UPDATE

Monday I got a call from somebody at the CDA.
The woman did not really have an answer for me but was trying to
convince me that i needed this permit despite the fact that i told her
that I am not dumping anything in the drain that is on the ban list.
She was trying to say that the ultasonic liquid is part of the ban.
I explained that only ultrasonic liquid and cold sterile solutions that
contain Aldehydes or Gluteraldehyde are a no no. In my office we use an
enzymatic biodegradable tablet for the ultrasonic solution. The stuff
we wipe our cequiptment down in not gluteraldehyde and is not entering
the sewer system.
This woman then tried to explain that this is a difficult issue and
that dentists are required to obtain this permit because they were
classified as an industry requiring one. In other words even if all i
do is consultations in my office if I have athe word dentist on my
front door then I am required to get this permit because this is what
was negociated. Which I think is a bunch of crap and is not
constitutional. The Government is not supposed to decriminate based on
classification "dentist". Either you are doing something that requires
this permit and you get it or if you are not then you should not need
it.

so the question here is I never called the CDA, how did she know I was
having this problem? She also mentioned that there is another dentist
in San Francisco in the same situation but she did not give me his name
and when I asked for it she said he was in court over this.
I do not believe that i am alone on this and that most people are just
giving in to avoid the headache.
As far as environment, having this permit does nothing for the
environment since the permit allows you to dump gluteraldehyde and
mercury particles. So I am very confused.
Her you try to do something better for the environment by taking
measures to prevent polution and you get penalized for it.
At the same time there is an exemption if the discharge is 200
gallons/day or less which i fall under since I do not own the suction
it is maintained by the building.

I would imagine a sushi restaurant will produce more free mercury into
the toilet by it's customers then what is produced in a dental office.
Soon every resident will be required to have an industrial waste
disposal permit.

Alexander Vasserman DDS

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

My theory on this.

Fact - City of Los Angeles implemented a sewage recycling program to
convert raw sewage back to tap water in an effort to conserve water
somewhere 2003-2004.
Now they need $$$$ for this, the original plan was to come up with
these permits as an excuse to generate these $$$$. Dentists were part
of this list because people like Jan Drew misinform the general public
about amalgam and dentists using mercury.
In reality what has happened is that they did not realize that fewer
and fewer dentitsts are using amalgam because of the new materials and
patients wishes to have tooth coloured fillings. They are now in a
panic to collect $$$ because dentists are not calling them to obtain
these permits and hence the harrassment and the extortion.
The ADA and CDA were approched somewhere in the negotiation process and
because of the insurance companies wanting to minimize expenses on
claims there is a general desire to keep amalgam since tooth coloured
fillings cost more. The insurance industry does not want dentists to
use composites because it would cost them much more. And although
insurance companies can build this into the cost of the premiums there
is pressure from the compitition to keep prices down for the employers.
4 composite fillings will eat up the $1000 annual max very easilly
which means the employees would complain to the employers that their
plan sucks and the employers will complain to the insurance companies
or switch to a cheaper plan from a different insurance carrier.
So the solution would be to force dentists to get the permit and pass
the buck to the consumer or eat it because of the pressure from the
insurance contracts. In the next revision of the ADA codes I would not
be surprised to see a code for waste disposal permit. Once this code is
released managed care insurance plans will add it to their fee schedule
with a fee of $0 and dentists who are in contract with them will end up
eating this cost because the contract will prevent them from passing
the buck to the patient.
This is a very dirty business.
And as Joel would say it stinks too.

Jan

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

>money from dentists.
>From: "Alexander Vasserman DDS" purple543210@yahoo.ca

> Dentists were part
>of this list because people like Jan Drew misinform the general public
>about amalgam and dentists using mercury.

It is the ADA and detists here who misinform.

http://www.floridalcv.org/FLCVEdFun...of_dental_a.htm

Have you any concern about amalgam ruining the environment??_??

Naaa,

You would rather talk about fish.

Let me remind you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Source Average Human Dail_y Dose of
MercuryDental Amalgam 3_.0 - 17.0 ug/day
(hgvapor)Fish and Seafood _ 2.3 ug/day
(methylmercury)Other Food _ 0.3
ug/day (inorganichg)Air &Water _
Negligible traces(World Health Organization, Environmental H_ealth Criteria
118:
InorganicMercury, Geneva, 1991.)

http://www.lichtenberg.dk/mercury_v..._oral_cavit.htm

Mercury from amalgams is the number one source in people.

"Mercury has been demonstrated as one possible cause of
Alzheimer's Disease, and the World Health Organization says __that people with
amalgams get more mercury from their fillings than from all __other sources
combined.

http://es.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/sb...er/roberts.html

Cleanup of Dental Amalgam Waste To Meet Sewer Regulation

Awarding Agency: National Institutes of Health
SBIR Contract Number: R43ES507886
Title: Cleanup of Dental Amalgam Waste To Meet Sewer Regulat__ion
Principal Investigator: Daryl L. Roberts
Company Name:
ADA Technologies, Inc.
Honeywell Center, Suite 110
Englewood, CO 80112
Telephone Number:
Business Representative:
Project Period:
Project Amount: $93,662
Research Category: Water
Description:

In the United States and abroad, there has been a great deal__ of concern by
the

public and health officials over the detrimental health effe__cts caused by
bioaccumulation of mercury in lakes and streams, resulting i__n regulatory
limits
for a variety of sources. Dental amalgam waste is attracting__ substantial
attention as a major contributor to the mercury burden of mu__nicipal water
treatment plants. In response, local authorities are impleme__nting ordinances
requiring dental offices to recover waste dental amalgam. Co__nventional
technologies for removing waste amalgam from operatory disch__arge water have
proven insufficient to meet stringent discharge limits (typi__cally 50 pg/L).
In

some cases, dental clinics have been forced to disconnect fr__om the sewer
systems and have incurred expensive hazardous waste disposal__ charges. ADA
Technologies proposes to develop and test a novel system to __reduce mercury
below 50 pg/L that will be comprised of a patented novel sor__bent for removing

dissolved mercury, membrane filtration technology for removi__ng fine amalgam
particles, and conventional technology for recovering the la__rge amalgam
particles. The ADA sorbent has demonstrated the ability to r__emove ionic and
elemental mercury from wastewater to levels below 1 g/L. Thi__s system will be
available to thousands of commercial dental offices.

http://www.toxicteeth.org/pressRoom...3_polluters.cfm

THE NATION
Dentists Biggest Mercury Polluters, New Study Finds
Health: The metal is widely used in fillings and ends up in _the nation's waste

water.

By ELIZABETH SHOGREN
TIMES STAFF WRITER June 6, 2002 WASHINGTON - Coal-fired powe_r plants are
notorious for being the biggest source of mercury pollution _in the air. But
now, new attention is being directed at another, much less k_nown source of
mercury contamination in water--dentists. A new report shows_ that dentists are

the largest single source of mercury pollution in waste wate_r funneled into
the
nation's treatment plants. Mercury is a potent toxin that ca_n damage the human

brain, spinal cord, kidney and liver, and is especially dang_erous for unborn
children. While many other sources of mercury pollution have_ drastically cut
their use of the heavy metal, dentists continue to use it wi_dely in fillings.
"Pretty much all the mercury they're using gets released int_o the environment.

Why aren't they doing more to reduce that use?" said Michael_ Bender, director
of the Mercury Policy Project, a foundation-funded group tha_t was one of the
authors of the study. Power plants emit mercury into the air_ and it falls into

streams and rivers. Many dentists flush it down their drains_ and it goes
directly into waste-water treatment plants, which do not eff_ectively filter it

from the water. In a statement responding to the report, the_ American Dental
Assn. said it was aware that some particles from fillings en_d up in waste
water, and it urges dentists to follow proper procedures for_ handling and
recycling the composite used for fillings, which they refer _to as "amalgam."
But the association argued that the mercury from their filli_ngs remains in a
form that is not harmful to humans. "However, a 1996 study f_ound that when
amalgam particles were subjected to simulated waste-water tr_eatment processes,

no soluble mercury was detected, even at a concentration of _1 part per
billion," according to the statement. The group stressed tha_t it was currently

implementing a new plan to address the problem. The new repo_rt's authors said
that dentists, through voluntary or mandatory measures, shou_ld trap their
waste
mercury before it flows into plumbing fixtures that have bee_n contaminated
with
mercury for years. The report referred to a 2001 study by th_e Assn. of
Metropolitan Sewerage Agencies that evaluated seven major mu_nicipal
waste-water
treatment plants and determined that dental uses were "by fa_r" the greatest
contributors to the mercury reaching their facilities. They _were responsible
for 40% of the load, three times more than the next largest _contributor.
Several other countries regulate releases of dental mercury._ In Canada, a new
standard requires dentists to trap the pieces of filling bef_ore they go down
the drain. The goal is to reduce releases by 95% by 2005. In_ May, the New
Hampshire Legislature became the first in the nation to pass_ legislation
governing disposal methods for dental mercury. The Californi_a Assembly
considered a measure to phase out the use of mercury in fill_ings but did not
adopt it. The report suggests that mercury in dentistry has _become the
exception while other major users of mercury have changed th_eir practices. In
1985 dental facilities used 3% of all the mercury used natio_nwide. Last year,
although dentists used less mercury, their use accounted for_ 20% of all uses.
Only two other industries--wiring devices and switches and c_hloralkali--used
more. Gina Solomon, a physician who focuses on the health ef_fects of mercury
for the Natural Resources Defense Council, said that there w_as still
controversy about whether the fillings put dental patients a_t risk. And she
stressed that those who have such fillings should not get th_em removed,
because
taking them out heightens the chance of exposure. However, s_he said the
science
is clear that the mercury that goes down the drain can end u_p in the food
chain. "There is scientific consensus that mercury that ends_ up in the waste
water and water bodies will accumulate in the fish and pose _a direct human
health problem to people who eat the fish; that is uncontrov_ersial and is
something that can be fixed,"

http://www.toxicteeth.org/pressRoom...3_polluters.cfm

THE NATION
Dentists Biggest Mercury Polluters, New Study Finds
Health: The metal is widely used in fillings and ends up in the nation's waste
water.

By ELIZABETH SHOGREN
TIMES STAFF WRITER June 6, 2002 WASHINGTON - Coal-fired power plants are
notorious for being the biggest source of mercury pollution in the air. But
now, new attention is being directed at another, much less known source of
mercury contamination in water--dentists. A new report shows that dentists are
the largest single source of mercury pollution in waste water funneled into the
nation's treatment plants. Mercury is a potent toxin that can damage the human
brain, spinal cord, kidney and liver, and is especially dangerous for unborn
children. While many other sources of mercury pollution have drastically cut
their use of the heavy metal, dentists continue to use it widely in fillings.
"Pretty much all the mercury they're using gets released into the environment.
Why aren't they doing more to reduce that use?" said Michael Bender, director
of the Mercury Policy Project, a foundation-funded group that was one of the
authors of the study. Power plants emit mercury into the air and it falls into
streams and rivers. Many dentists flush it down their drains and it goes
directly into waste-water treatment plants, which do not effectively filter it
from the water. In a statement responding to the report, the American Dental
Assn. said it was aware that some particles from fillings end up in waste
water, and it urges dentists to follow proper procedures for handling and
recycling the composite used for fillings, which they refer to as "amalgam."
But the association argued that the mercury from their fillings remains in a
form that is not harmful to humans. "However, a 1996 study found that when
amalgam particles were subjected to simulated waste-water treatment processes,
no soluble mercury was detected, even at a concentration of 1 part per
billion," according to the statement. The group stressed that it was currently
implementing a new plan to address the problem. The new report's authors said
that dentists, through voluntary or mandatory measures, should trap their waste
mercury before it flows into plumbing fixtures that have been contaminated with
mercury for years. The report referred to a 2001 study by the Assn. of
Metropolitan Sewerage Agencies that evaluated seven major municipal waste-water
treatment plants and determined that dental uses were "by far" the greatest
contributors to the mercury reaching their facilities. They were responsible
for 40% of the load, three times more than the next largest contributor.
Several other countries regulate releases of dental mercury. In Canada, a new
standard requires dentists to trap the pieces of filling before they go down
the drain. The goal is to reduce releases by 95% by 2005. In May, the New
Hampshire Legislature became the first in the nation to pass legislation
governing disposal methods for dental mercury. The California Assembly
considered a measure to phase out the use of mercury in fillings but did not
adopt it. The report suggests that mercury in dentistry has become the
exception while other major users of mercury have changed their practices. In
1985 dental facilities used 3% of all the mercury used nationwide. Last year,
although dentists used less mercury, their use accounted for 20% of all uses.
Only two other industries--wiring devices and switches and chloralkali--used
more. Gina Solomon, a physician who focuses on the health effects of mercury
for the Natural Resources Defense Council, said that there was still
controversy about whether the fillings put dental patients at risk. And she
stressed that those who have such fillings should not get them removed, because
taking them out heightens the chance of exposure. However, she said the science
is clear that the mercury that goes down the drain can end up in the food
chain. "There is scientific consensus that mercury that ends up in the waste
water and water bodies will accumulate in the fish and pose a direct human
health problem to people who eat the fish; that is uncontroversial and is
something that can be fixed," Solomon said. If you want other stories on this
topic, search the Archives at www.latimes.com/archive. For information about
reprinting this article, go to www.lats.com/rights. Copyright 2002 Los Angeles
Times

http://www.epa.gov/epr/products/mintern.html

Mercury in Products

International Initiatives

Canada

Under its Canada Wide Standards (CWS) program, Canada has s_elected a number
of
products and industry sectors for targeted mercury reduction_. Products covered

by the CWS for Mercury include mercury-containing lamps and _dental amalgams.

http://www.solmetex.com

SolmeteX is a developer and manufacturer of products and sys_tems that perform
targeted, upstream heavy-metal binding and recovery.

Our patent-pending separation technology allows clients to p_reempt the need
for
costly cleanups and avoid expensive litigation.

SolmeteX clients include manufacturing and processing plants_,
biopharmaceutical
companies, municipalities, environmental consulting firms as_ well as dental
practices ranging from US Navy and teaching hospital clinics_ to one - chair
offices.

http://es.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/sb...er/roberts.html

Cleanup of Dental Amalgam Waste To Meet Sewer Regulation

Awarding Agency: National Institutes of Health
SBIR Contract Number: R43ES507886
Title: Cleanup of Dental Amalgam Waste To Meet Sewer Regulat_ion
Principal Investigator: Daryl L. Roberts
Company Name:
ADA Technologies, Inc.
Honeywell Center, Suite 110
Englewood, CO 80112
Telephone Number:
Business Representative:
Project Period:
Project Amount: $93,662
Research Category: Water
Description:

In the United States and abroad, there has been a great deal_ of concern by the

public and health officials over the detrimental health effe_cts caused by
bioaccumulation of mercury in lakes and streams, resulting i_n regulatory
limits
for a variety of sources. Dental amalgam waste is attracting_ substantial
attention as a major contributor to the mercury burden of mu_nicipal water
treatment plants. In response, local authorities are impleme_nting ordinances
requiring dental offices to recover waste dental amalgam. Co_nventional
technologies for removing waste amalgam from operatory disch_arge water have
proven insufficient to meet stringent discharge limits (typi_cally 50 pg/L). In

some cases, dental clinics have been forced to disconnect fr_om the sewer
systems and have incurred expensive hazardous waste disposal_ charges. ADA
Technologies proposes to develop and test a novel system to _reduce mercury
below 50 pg/L that will be comprised of a patented novel sor_bent for removing
dissolved mercury, membrane filtration technology for removi_ng fine amalgam
particles, and conventional technology for recovering the la_rge amalgam
particles. The ADA sorbent has demonstrated the ability to r_emove ionic and
elemental mercury from wastewater to levels below 1 g/L. Thi_s system will be
available to thousands of commercial dental offices.

clintonz@prodigy.net

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

..
>

> I would imagine a sushi restaurant will produce more free mercury
into
> the toilet by it's customers then what is produced in a dental
office.
> Soon every resident will be required to have an industrial waste
> disposal permit.

Imagine is a good word.

Joel M. Eichen

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

On 2 Feb 2005 20:16:58 -0800, "Alexander Vasserman DDS"
<purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>Fact - City of Los Angeles implemented a sewage recycling program to
>convert raw sewage back to tap water in an effort to conserve water
>somewhere 2003-2004.
>Now they need $$$$ for this,

Yup, that is the philosophy of
every governmental unit in this country.

Does your water bill pay for only
water and not pay for patronage? Doubtful.

Joel

Joel M. Eichen

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

On 03 Feb 2005 09:09:48 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

>
>
>It is the ADA and detists here who misinform.

When Jan eats sushi she imitates the bear in the woods to avoid
discharging into the sewer system.

>
>http://www.floridalcv.org/FLCVEdFun...of_dental_a.htm
>
>Have you any concern about amalgam ruining the environment??_??

Vaughn Simon

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

"Alexander Vasserman DDS" <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1107402459.542535.23650@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> so the question here is I never called the CDA, how did she know I was
> having this problem? She also mentioned that there is another dentist
> in San Francisco in the same situation but she did not give me his name
> and when I asked for it she said he was in court over this.
..

Does California have a Public Information "Sunshine" law? If so,
getting whatever information you demand (or even direct access to their
files) is a simple process...and will drive them crazy!

Vaughn

W_B

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 07:15:20 -0500, Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:

>When Jan eats sushi she imitates the bear in the woods to avoid
>discharging into the sewer system.

She goes to see the pope ?
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

Alexander Vasserman DDS

2005-02-03, 10:48 am

Jan wrote:
>
public[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> It is the ADA and detists here who misinform.
>
>
http://www.floridalcv.org/FLCVEdFun...of_dental_a.htm
>
> Have you any concern about amalgam ruining the environment??=AD??
>
>
> Naaa,
>
>
> You would rather talk about fish.
>
>
> Let me remind you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
>
>
> Source Average Human Dail=ADy Dose
of
> MercuryDental Amalgam 3=AD.0 -
17.0 ug/day
> (hgvapor)Fish and Seafood =AD 2.3
ug/day
> (methylmercury)Other Food =AD
0.3
> ug/day (inorganichg)Air &Water =AD

> Negligible traces(World Health Organization, Environmental H=ADealth
Criteria
> 118:
> InorganicMercury, Geneva, 1991.)
Even if those numbers were true or relevant which they are not , People
do not ingest amalgam for breakfest/lunch/dinner. I do not put it in so
they do not get their average daily dose from me.
Also the question here is not the quantity in the mouths but what is
not absorbed and goes out the other end. According to your logic anyone
with amalgam in their mouth needs to obtain an industrial waste
disposal permit.

Joel M. Eichen

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:29:40 GMT, W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 07:15:20 -0500, Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>She goes to see the pope ?

Yup, and prays with the bear too ,,,,,,, you remember the bear is
Catholic ......

Joel M. Eichen

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On 3 Feb 2005 08:07:11 -0800, "Alexander Vasserman DDS"
<purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>
>Jan wrote:
>public
>http://www.floridalcv.org/FLCVEdFun...of_dental_a.htm
>of
>17.0 ug/day
>ug/day
> 0.3
>
>Criteria
>Even if those numbers were true or relevant which they are not , People
>do not ingest amalgam for breakfest/lunch/dinner. I do not put it in so
>they do not get their average daily dose from me.
>Also the question here is not the quantity in the mouths but what is
>not absorbed and goes out the other end.

Don't start with that, you know
what Jan recommends, don't you?

Joel

According to your logic anyone
>with amalgam in their mouth needs to obtain an industrial waste
>disposal permit.

CWatters

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

"Alexander Vasserman DDS" <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1107402459.542535.23650@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

> I am required to get this permit because this is what
> was negociated.

Did you agree to a third party negotiating on your behalf? Perhaps through
membership of an organisation like a union or licensing authority? If not
how can a third party commit you to this? They can't unless you either a)
agreed or b) there is a law that give this third party legal rights to
negotiate on your behalf.

By the way my brother says you owe me $100. He thinks you need better
quality paper clips and we agreed a good deal for you. I'll send a woman
round to collect the money later this week. OK?

MC60614

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

Thanks for the reminder, I have Salmon awaiting me. MC

clintonz@prodigy.net

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

> Even if those numbers were true or relevant which they are not ,
People

Don't post that garbage about fish being mehtyl. The
ADA doesn't even STUDY the maximum methyl uptake from
amalgam. considering that I'm sure the toxic load due
to some amalgam is 100-1000 times greater than 17 ug

WHAT are the RANGES for mehtyl and elemental Hg expoure
from amalgam. WHAT are the upper and lower bounds.
How can you have read this list for a year and say that.Your
either full of it or retarded.

You people don't give a living darn about if amalgam
harms people do you. As long as your business expenses
don't go any higher and no one subpeona's you to testify
about it or throws you in jail. To heck with you.

> do not ingest amalgam for breakfest/lunch/dinner. I do not put

Elememtal Hg vapor is probably much greater than 17 ug per day in
many cases and is inhaled every second of every day.

it in so
> they do not get their average daily dose from me.

You are part of an organization which STill UNEQUIVACOLY
endorses it's use and openly lies to the media about it's
stability and other properties.

> Also the question here is not the quantity in the mouths but what is
> not absorbed and goes out the other end.

Apparently most of what you read comes in one end
and goes out the other.

According to your logic anyone
> with amalgam in their mouth needs to obtain an industrial waste
> disposal permit.

Is amalgam the largest source of Hg in the human population?

clintonz@prodigy.net

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

Joel M. Eichen

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On 3 Feb 2005 15:48:24 -0800, clintonz@prodigy.net wrote:

>Don't post that garbage about fish being mehtyl

Fish is not mehtyl although the outside looks mehtyllic sometimes in
strong sunshine.

Joel M. Eichen

2005-02-07, 8:26 am

On 03 Feb 2005 23:20:35 GMT, mc60614@aol.com (MC60614) wrote:

>Thanks for the reminder, I have Salmon awaiting me. MC

Would that be Mr. Rushdie?

StovePipe

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

Alexander Vasserman DDS <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> The woman did not really have an answer for me but was trying to
> convince me that i needed this permit despite the fact that i told her
> that I am not dumping anything in the drain that is on the ban list.
> She was trying to say that the ultasonic liquid is part of the ban.
> I explained that only ultrasonic liquid and cold sterile solutions that
> contain Aldehydes or Gluteraldehyde are a no no. In my office we use an
> enzymatic biodegradable tablet for the ultrasonic solution. The stuff
> we wipe our cequiptment down in not gluteraldehyde and is not entering
> the sewer system.

Al: What are you using to wipe down your keyboard?
SP
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Not a real Addy, yet

Alexander Vasserman DDS

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

We try not to touch the keyboard with the gloves or it's the pinky
finger which was not in the mouth, but when we do we use a
tuburcullocidal spray can't remember the name off hand. I usually clean
the keyboard myself because it's my laptop that I take home with me. I
spay on a guaze and then wipe. I'm thinking about getting those peel
away sticky plastic wrappers.

MC60614

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

Reminds me of Elizabeth Taylor's Parfume which I called I Do Toilets...MC

StovePipe

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

Alexander Vasserman DDS <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> We try not to touch the keyboard with the gloves or it's the pinky
> finger which was not in the mouth, but when we do we use a
> tuburcullocidal spray can't remember the name off hand. I usually clean
> the keyboard myself because it's my laptop that I take home with me. I
> spay on a guaze and then wipe. I'm thinking about getting those peel
> away sticky plastic wrappers.

That's what DrS uses. I think you'll find you make less errors.
Cheers
SP
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Not a real Addy, yet

Roy Brown

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

"StovePipe" <StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet> wrote in message
news:1grjm4s.sjevonfmq8mrN%StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet...
| Alexander Vasserman DDS <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:
|
| > We try not to touch the keyboard with the gloves or it's the pinky
| > finger which was not in the mouth, but when we do we use a
| > tuburcullocidal spray can't remember the name off hand. I usually clean
| > the keyboard myself because it's my laptop that I take home with me. I
| > spay on a guaze and then wipe. I'm thinking about getting those peel
| > away sticky plastic wrappers.
|
| That's what DrS uses. I think you'll find you make less errors.
| Cheers
| SP

What about Saran Wrap as a barrier?

Joel M. Eichen

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

On 5 Feb 2005 19:33:07 -0800, "Alexander Vasserman DDS"
<purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>We try not to touch the keyboard with the gloves or it's the pinky
>finger which was not in the mouth, but when we do we use a
>tuburcullocidal spray can't remember the name off hand. I usually clean
>the keyboard myself because it's my laptop that I take home with me. I
>spay on a guaze and then wipe. I'm thinking about getting those peel
>away sticky plastic wrappers.

Some of my best posts were when I was spraying on the gauze, wiping,
and then realizing I was still connected to sci.med.dentistry.

So what did I do next?

I hit SEND.

Joel

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

On 2 Feb 2005 20:16:58 -0800, "Alexander Vasserman DDS"
<purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>In reality what has happened is that they did not realize that fewer
>and fewer dentitsts are using amalgam because of the new materials and
>patients wishes to have tooth coloured fillings.

You take them out, even if you don't install them.

> They are now in a
>panic to collect $$$ because dentists are not calling them to obtain
>these permits and hence the harrassment and the extortion.

harrassment, extortion??

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

On 2 Feb 2005 19:47:39 -0800, "Alexander Vasserman DDS"
<purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>UPDATE

>that dentists are required to obtain this permit because they were
>classified as an industry requiring one.

Yes. so?

> In other words even if all i
>do is consultations in my office if I have athe word dentist on my
>front door then I am required to get this permit because this is what
>was negociated. Which I think is a bunch of crap and is not
>constitutional. The Government is not supposed to decriminate based on
>classification "dentist". Either you are doing something that requires
>this permit and you get it or if you are not then you should not need
>it.

oh yeah, unconstitional heh discrimination hhhaaaa.

>so the question here is I never called the CDA, how did she know I was
>having this problem?

Public utilites and cda together getting dentists to comply?

> She also mentioned that there is another dentist
>in San Francisco in the same situation but she did not give me his name
>and when I asked for it she said he was in court over this.
>I do not believe that i am alone on this and that most people are just
>giving in to avoid the headache.
>As far as environment, having this permit does nothing for the
>environment since the permit allows you to dump gluteraldehyde and
>mercury particles. So I am very confused.

Is this simply a permit for a seperator device on the drain?
IF SO, bfd, just do it. What's the big deal? bfd!

>Here you try to do something better for the environment by taking
>measures to prevent polution and you get penalized for it.

>At the same time there is an exemption if the discharge is 200
>gallons/day or less which i fall under since I do not own the suction
>it is maintained by the building.

Dr. Steve

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

On 5 Feb 2005 19:33:07 -0800, "Alexander Vasserman DDS"
<purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>We try not to touch the keyboard with the gloves or it's the pinky
>finger which was not in the mouth, but when we do we use a
>tuburcullocidal spray can't remember the name off hand. I usually clean
>the keyboard myself because it's my laptop that I take home with me. I
>spay on a guaze and then wipe. I'm thinking about getting those peel
>away sticky plastic wrappers.

A laptop in the treatment room ? get with the program
...
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.

Dr. Steve

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:50:45 -0500, StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet
(StovePipe) wrote:

>Alexander Vasserman DDS <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
>That's what DrS uses. I think you'll find you make less errors.
>Cheers
>SP

No Lap-Top in treatment rooms. Hard wired network with Desktop PC's.
Keyboards are sealed under a clear vinyl cover.

...
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.

W_B

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

W_B

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:54:05 -0500, "Roy Brown"
<roybrown@sympatico.caNADA> wrote:

>
>
>
>"StovePipe" <StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet> wrote in message
>news:1grjm4s.sjevonfmq8mrN%StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet...
>| Alexander Vasserman DDS <purple543210@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>|
>| > We try not to touch the keyboard with the gloves or it's the pinky
>| > finger which was not in the mouth, but when we do we use a
>| > tuburcullocidal spray can't remember the name off hand. I usually clean
>| > the keyboard myself because it's my laptop that I take home with me. I
>| > spay on a guaze and then wipe. I'm thinking about getting those peel
>| > away sticky plastic wrappers.
>|
>| That's what DrS uses. I think you'll find you make less errors.
>| Cheers
>| SP
>
>What about Saran Wrap as a barrier?
>
Works great when tightly wrapped around the head.

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE

Alexander Vasserman DDS

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

mercury particles. So I am very confused.
>
> Is this simply a permit for a seperator device on the drain?
> IF SO, bfd, just do it. What's the big deal? bfd!
>

The permit is for allowing you to dump mercury, gluteraldehyde,
alcohol, precious metals, acetone,plus other chemicals on the list in
any form or small quantities into the drain has nothing to do with
separators.
Fixer and developer still need to be picked up.

The BFD is I am not dumping these substances and so I should not be
threatened with $1000/day/violation fines and 6 months jail time for
not getting a permit I do not need. All this because CDA has negociated
some deal on behalf of all dentists including those who are not even
members of their organization and those who are not even contributing
waste into the sewage system such as oral surgeons,perio surgeons,
orthodontists, and other dentists like myself who do not have amalgam
and mercury in the office.

StovePipe

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:

> Works great when tightly wrapped around the head.
>
> --
> W_B

...... ???? !... OK, lessee...
<rrrriiittt> <tear> <crinkle>
<sfloof> <sfloof> <sfloof> <sfloof> <sfloof> <sfloof> <sfloof> <sfloof>
<sfloof> <sfloof> <sfloof> <sfloof>....
<plock!>....

<Rummhhhmm!>

<mmmfftmmf!> <lmdfmnnpprm??> <umm!!!> <Umm!> <UUMMM!!!>
<UUURRRRMMMMHHH!>
<boom!> <shlik!> <shlik!> <shlik!>
<babballmaddmn...!>

<plork!> <plork!!> <PLORK!!> <PLORK!!>

<Ummmhhmmmrmm!...>
<snif!> <snif!> <snif!>
<scritch...> <crink..> <tttiiirrrr> <crinkle...>
<Ufffmfmmhhrmmf-blllaatt!!>
.....'s a real good thing I had a BIC pen handy!
<whew!>...
I hadda shove the BIC pen up my nostrils... the pen with a thousand and
one uses!
<honk!> <snif> <brawahwahwah!!!> <snif>

.... So tell me... <snif> <brawahwahwah!!!>

....<hack!> <hork...> <snif>

..... Who won the football game? <snifff..>

....................... ;-)
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Not a real Addy, yet

StovePipe

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

Roy Brown <roybrown@sympatico.caNADA> wrote:

> |
> | That's what DrS uses. I think you'll find you make less errors.
> | Cheers
> | SP
>
> What about Saran Wrap as a barrier?

....'s OK, I guess... I'd like to see BIG BILL get off his XXX and make a
sterilizable key board... would be good for the Mad Dogs in the
operating rooms as well...
JMO
SP
--
Not a real Addy, yet

StovePipe

2005-02-07, 8:27 am

W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:

>
> Dr. Suess ?
>
> --
> W_B

..... I do not like them on a train
I do not like them on a plane
I do not like them on a boat
I do not like them on a float
I do not like Green Eggs and Ham
I do not like them, Sam-I-Am....

..... great literature...
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Not a real Addy, yet

Dr Steve

2005-02-09, 3:08 pm

There is a flat, roll-up keyboard available with PS