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Using teeth from corpses ???
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| Gerard Mindstep 2005-12-19, 10:55 am |
| There are so many dead people every day with teeth which are still in
perfect condition.
Why don't we remove the teeth from corpses and sell them to people who
don't have teeth anymore ???
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Gerard Mindstep wrote:
> There are so many dead people every day with teeth which are still in
> perfect condition.
>
> Why don't we remove the teeth from corpses and sell them to people who
> don't have teeth anymore ???
Because it is a bad idea.
-Sue
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| Dr.Braces 2005-12-20, 10:53 am |
| On 2005-12-19 11:54:49 -0800, "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> said:
>
> Gerard Mindstep wrote:
>
> Because it is a bad idea.
>
> -Sue
It's the whole antigen/antibody thing again, you know like any organ
transplant, the body will reject the donor with out powerful drugs, In
the end dental implants, will be cheaper and easier.
Dr. Braces
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| Dr.Braces wrote:
> On 2005-12-19 11:54:49 -0800, "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> said:
>
>
>
> It's the whole antigen/antibody thing again, you know like any organ
> transplant, the body will reject the donor with out powerful drugs, In
> the end dental implants, will be cheaper and easier.
>
>
> Dr. Braces
Dr Braces,
Thanks. That is a much more diplomatic answer than mine. It is a nice
idea, but not practical.
Implants vs Cadaver teeth are:
-Safer: As you mentioned host vs graft and graft vs host rejection
-More efficacious: a custom-made fit is more functional as far as bite
relations go (IMO) than trying to fit someone else's teeth into an
individual's jaw. How many of us have the same jaw dimensions?
-And possibly even more aestheically appealing than some dead person's
old teeth, IMO.
***************************************************************************************
BTW, There was someone on another forum that asked whether it is
possible to safely whiten (or bleach) teeth while wearing braces.
There were no dentists around to answer his question. Do you have any
comments? I will not paste your comments over there unless you permit
me to do so.
And FYI the link is:
http://www.dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2979
Thank you,
-Sue (nondentist)
(to the forum)
PS My intentions are not to start a flame war, try to "look"
important, or to solicit SMDers to join another forum. I am just
trying to get an answer to someone's question (just in case this person
is real).
PSS I am not sending this person over here because I do not know
whether this person is considered litter here. I do not want to be
held repsonsible for anyone coming over here and getting flamebroiled.
If this post is not acceptable, please just tell me why (nicely)
instead of having a spasm. I am not cutting and pasting.... so in my
extimation this should be ok.
Thanks for your understanding.
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| Tim Dixon 2005-12-20, 12:51 pm |
| CROSS POSTING AGAIN.
"Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135098816.741973.175590@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Dr.Braces wrote:
>
> Dr Braces,
>
> Thanks. That is a much more diplomatic answer than mine. It is a nice
> idea, but not practical.
>
> Implants vs Cadaver teeth are:
>
> -Safer: As you mentioned host vs graft and graft vs host rejection
>
> -More efficacious: a custom-made fit is more functional as far as bite
> relations go (IMO) than trying to fit someone else's teeth into an
> individual's jaw. How many of us have the same jaw dimensions?
>
> -And possibly even more aestheically appealing than some dead person's
> old teeth, IMO.
>
> ***************************************************************************************
> BTW, There was someone on another forum that asked whether it is
> possible to safely whiten (or bleach) teeth while wearing braces.
>
> There were no dentists around to answer his question. Do you have any
> comments? I will not paste your comments over there unless you permit
> me to do so.
>
> And FYI the link is:
> http://www.dentalcom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2979
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Sue (nondentist)
>
> (to the forum)
>
> PS My intentions are not to start a flame war, try to "look"
> important, or to solicit SMDers to join another forum. I am just
> trying to get an answer to someone's question (just in case this person
> is real).
>
> PSS I am not sending this person over here because I do not know
> whether this person is considered litter here. I do not want to be
> held repsonsible for anyone coming over here and getting flamebroiled.
>
> If this post is not acceptable, please just tell me why (nicely)
> instead of having a spasm. I am not cutting and pasting.... so in my
> extimation this should be ok.
>
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
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| Tim Dixon wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> CROSS POSTING AGAIN.
>
>
> "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1135098816.741973.175590@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Tim,
Come on. I have not cross-posted.
I paraphrased this person's question in my own words, as Webby asked me
to do. Isn't it more honest to say this question comes from someone
else... not me? I could have just pretended that I wore braces and
asked the question.... but why should I lie?
I am also curious myself. I would think that bleaching should not be
done while wearing braces... as this might cause some unexpected
results when the braces are removed... but I really do not know.
I would love to hear the answer.
-Sue
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| The Webby 2005-12-20, 5:53 pm |
| In article <1135104625.101420.199680@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Tim Dixon wrote:
[cut][vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Tim,
>
> Come on. I have not cross-posted.
>
> I paraphrased this person's question in my own words, as Webby asked me
> to do. Isn't it more honest to say this question comes from someone
> else... not me? I could have just pretended that I wore braces and
> asked the question.... but why should I lie?
>
> I am also curious myself. I would think that bleaching should not be
> done while wearing braces... as this might cause some unexpected
> results when the braces are removed... but I really do not know.
>
> I would love to hear the answer.
>
> -Sue
Sue, at the top of your page where the newsgroup and subject line
appear, you will see which groups are involved in the post. In order
not to cross-post inadvertently, you need to remove all groups except
this one otherwise it will go out the same way it came in.
It's an easy oversight even when you understand this.
Hopefully you can see the info now. You should only see
sci.med.dentistry after the word "Newsgroups:"
Webby
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| The Webby wrote:
> In article <1135104625.101420.199680@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> Sue, at the top of your page where the newsgroup and subject line
> appear, you will see which groups are involved in the post. In order
> not to cross-post inadvertently, you need to remove all groups except
> this one otherwise it will go out the same way it came in.
>
> It's an easy oversight even when you understand this.
> Hopefully you can see the info now. You should only see
> sci.med.dentistry after the word "Newsgroups:"
>
> Webby
Webby,
I do not know who or what is.vedur is (as noted in the groups listed on
my earlier post). I don't know how that got there.
I am replying to your post and I do not see any other group but
sci.med.dentistry listed.
If this gets cross-posted then I am not sure how it is happening.
-Sue
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| The Webby 2005-12-20, 5:53 pm |
| In article <1135105914.836006.242060@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Webby wrote:
>
> Webby,
>
> I do not know who or what is.vedur is (as noted in the groups listed on
> my earlier post). I don't know how that got there.
>
> I am replying to your post and I do not see any other group but
> sci.med.dentistry listed.
>
> If this gets cross-posted then I am not sure how it is happening.
>
> -Sue
It got here with the very first post. Here is a copy of the header
information:
Path:
g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-f
or-mail
From: "Gerard Mindstep" <piano_ne...@yahoo.fr>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry,is.vedur
Subject: Using teeth from corpses ???
Date: 19 Dec 2005 00:36:41 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com
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Message-ID: <1134981401.490006.143970@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 222.100.95.238
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1134981406 5431 127.0.0.1 (19 Dec 2005
08:36:46 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:36:46 +0000 (UTC)
User-Agent: G2/0.2
X-HTTP-UserAgent: ERROR ! ERROR ! ERROR !,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com;
posting-host=222.100.95.238;
posting-account=-fMO7g0AAAAdN7xNAcRqRhQUPtBytI12
Now you know to just take a look at the distribution of any given post.
Eliminate the groups other than the one you're reading and you have
contained the spread, so to speak.
Webby
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| The Webby 2005-12-20, 5:53 pm |
| In article <1135105914.836006.242060@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote:
[cut]
> -Sue
Also, you can do an author profile (at Google Groups) on the person who
started this thread. You may decide that the address owner is not a
poster you wish to reply to. You can perform an author profile search
on anyone, for that matter.
Webby
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| The Webby 2005-12-20, 5:53 pm |
| In article
<tmjiatroepidemic-2DBEC6.11203220122005@news-lb-02.socal.rr.com>,
The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic@san.rr.com> wrote:
> In article <1135105914.836006.242060@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [cut]
>
> Also, you can do an author profile (at Google Groups) on the person who
> started this thread. You may decide that the address owner is not a
> poster you wish to reply to. You can perform an author profile search
> on anyone, for that matter.
>
> Webby
P.S. You may not get any results or complete results for all authors
though.
Webby
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The Webby wrote:
> In article
> <tmjiatroepidemic-2DBEC6.11203220122005@news-lb-02.socal.rr.com>,
> The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> P.S. You may not get any results or complete results for all authors
> though.
>
> Webby
Webby,
Thanks for your patience and for the user information. I will catch on
eventually. (I hope)
Sue
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| I just checked out is.dur. Now THAT is a very weird usenet group.
Nothing here can compare to the posts over there.... not even the
flames thrown back and forth ..... at and coming from our local mercury
gal.
-Sue
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| The Webby 2005-12-20, 5:53 pm |
| In article <1135109619.997961.172680@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I just checked out is.dur. Now THAT is a very weird usenet group.
>
> Nothing here can compare to the posts over there.... not even the
> flames thrown back and forth ..... at and coming from our local mercury
> gal.
>
> -Sue
I think you meant to type is.vedur ... When "we" show up "posting"
(intentionally or unintentionally) to that sort of newsgroup, it leaves
the intention up to the imagination of the reader. It's all to easy to
find yourself in places you didn't intend to be ...
Word to the wise, watch for oncoming traffic if you're going to step
into the street. Failure to look both ways could be hazardous to your
image.
Webby
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| Tim Dixon 2005-12-20, 5:53 pm |
|
"Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135109119.268128.109640@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> The Webby wrote:
>
> Webby,
>
> Thanks for your patience and for the user information. I will catch on
> eventually. (I hope)
>
> Sue
No need for me to say anything as Webby pointed it out to you. Just take a
look at what your doing before you do it, we say "look/lurk before you
leap/post".
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| Tim Dixon 2005-12-20, 5:53 pm |
|
"Tim Dixon" <timgdixon-no-spam@cox.net> wrote in message
news:CSZpf.3433$LB5.3297@fed1read04...
>
> "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1135109119.268128.109640@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> No need for me to say anything as Webby pointed it out to you. Just take
> a look at what your doing before you do it, we say "look/lurk before you
> leap/post".
I meant to add that you are obviously catching on, but don't let idle
strangers lead you down the wrong path by their bad habits KWIM?
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Tim Dixon wrote:
> "Tim Dixon" <timgdixon-no-spam@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:CSZpf.3433$LB5.3297@fed1read04...
>
> I meant to add that you are obviously catching on, but don't let idle
> strangers lead you down the wrong path by their bad habits KWIM?
Thank you for the advice Tim.
What is KWIM?
-Sue "keep whamatus in mind"? ...isn't he the "school marm" here? (I
think that is what joel said)
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| Tim Dixon 2005-12-20, 5:53 pm |
|
"Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135111982.487896.305600@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Tim Dixon wrote:
>
> Thank you for the advice Tim.
>
> What is KWIM?
know what i mean
> -Sue "keep whamatus in mind"? ...isn't he the "school marm" here? (I
> think that is what joel said)
>
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| Whamatus 2005-12-20, 5:53 pm |
| On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:34:34 -0800, "Tim Dixon" <timgdixon-no-spam@cox.net> wrote:
>I meant to add that you are obviously catching on, but don't let idle
>strangers lead you down the wrong path by their bad habits KWIM?
Thought it was spelled QUIM.
--
Whamatus
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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Whamatus wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:34:34 -0800, "Tim Dixon" <timgdixon-no-spam@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> Thought it was spelled QUIM.
> --
>
> Whamatus
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
I think that is the French spelling. It is pronounced KIM
*******************************************************************
After thought: Or else this is something derogatory ... in your
secret language.
W_B, Do you believe that I have a genuine interest in dentistry? I
know that may be difficult to fathom, but everything I have said is
true. Some think I am making it up.
I can get my posts to www.dentistry.com and paste them here if you do
not believe me.
I made them in 2003. The dentists there were helpful, kind and gave
advice online for FREE.
I thought that was a great service. I gave back by donating my time to
the MDA. Since then I have held an interest in dentistry (from a
public health education standpoint).
Do I need to keep trying to prove that I am not a troll here?
Thanks,
-Sue
I will be much more civil once I know that people are not trying to
scrutinize me. I will also post less as I will no longer feel a need to
"prove" that I am not here to annoy or to create chaos. ... but Maybe I
am speaking to air... this may be a killed file.
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| Whamatus 2005-12-20, 5:53 pm |
| On 20 Dec 2005 13:49:21 -0800, "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Whamatus wrote:
>
>I think that is the French spelling. It is pronounced KIM
>*******************************************************************
>After thought: Or else this is something derogatory ... in your
>secret language.
>
>W_B, Do you believe that I have a genuine interest in dentistry?
No I don't.
> I
>know that may be difficult to fathom, but everything I have said is
>true.
Don't believe you.
>Some think I am making it up.
Yep, that's what we think.
>
>I can get my posts to www.dimwit.com and paste them here if you do
>not believe me.
Please don't add your clutter to SMD.
>
>I made them in 2003. The dentists there were helpful, kind and gave
>advice online for FREE.
>
>I thought that was a great service. I gave back by donating my time to
>the MDA. Since then I have held an interest in dentistry (from a
>public health education standpoint).
>
What's Muscular Distrophy have to do with teeth ?
>Do I need to keep trying to prove that I am not a troll here?
>
Nope, you've already proven that you are a troll.
>Thanks,
>
>-Sue
>I will be much more civil once I know that people are not trying to
>scrutinize me. I will also post less as I will no longer feel a need to
>"prove" that I am not here to annoy or to create chaos. ... but Maybe I
>am speaking to air... this may be a killed file.
--
Whamatus
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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Whamatus wrote:
> On 20 Dec 2005 13:49:21 -0800, "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> No I don't.
>
>
> Don't believe you.
>
>
> Yep, that's what we think.
>
>
> Please don't add your clutter to SMD.
>
> What's Muscular Distrophy have to do with teeth ?
>
>
> Nope, you've already proven that you are a troll.
>
>
> --
>
> Whamatus
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Whatever.
MDA = Minnesota Dental Association
-Sue
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| It is not only a bad idea, it is an impossible idea. If it were possible
to use teeth from dead people, crime would escalate. One would kill to
get a set of teeth. But common sense says that there is no way to
integrate them into one's bone structure. I think I read the Egyptians
tried it way back.
Gail
"Dr.Braces" <Dr.Braces@Orthodontics.com> wrote in message
news:2005122008113916807%DrBraces@Orthodonticscom...
> On 2005-12-19 11:54:49 -0800, "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> said:
>
>
>
> It's the whole antigen/antibody thing again, you know like any organ
> transplant, the body will reject the donor with out powerful drugs, In
> the end dental implants, will be cheaper and easier.
>
>
> Dr. Braces
>
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<kureforcro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> It is not only a bad idea, it is an impossible idea. If it were possible
> to use teeth from dead people, crime would escalate. One would kill to
> get a set of teeth. But common sense says that there is no way to
> integrate them into one's bone structure. I think I read the Egyptians
> tried it way back.
> Gail
>
> "Dr.Braces" <Dr.Braces@Orthodontics.com> wrote in message
> news:2005122008113916807%DrBraces@Orthodonticscom...
Gail,
I agree that it is a bad idea, but I think we have the technology in
place today to do this if we really wanted to do this.
We could conceivably place a doubled-threaded titantium screw (or peg),
in the cadaver teeth anchoring this with adhesive.
Then these cadaver teeth may be placed in the patient in the same
manner that today's prosthetic implants are placed.
(We have come a long way since the Egyptian days).
Respectfully,
-Sue
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|
|
Sue wrote:
> <kureforcro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Gail,
>
> I agree that it is a bad idea, but I think we have the technology in
> place today to do this if we really wanted to do this.
>
> We could conceivably place a doubled-threaded titantium screw (or peg),
> in the cadaver teeth anchoring this with adhesive.
>
> Then these cadaver teeth may be placed in the patient in the same
> manner that today's prosthetic implants are placed.
>
> (We have come a long way since the Egyptian days).
>
> Respectfully,
> -Sue
Shoot I accidentally cross-posted again. Sorry.
-Sue
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| But what will give the teeth vitality. Come to think of it, why does a
pulled tooth not kept in any liquid to keep it recognizable, deteriorate
very quickly and can be broken like a straw almost, yet root canalled teeth
can remain as in life almost. Never gave that any thought.
The root canalled tooth is still connected to the nerves and gets it
circulation that
way?
Gail
"Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135119888.042966.102160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Gail,
>
> I agree that it is a bad idea, but I think we have the technology in
> place today to do this if we really wanted to do this.
>
> We could conceivably place a doubled-threaded titantium screw (or peg),
> in the cadaver teeth anchoring this with adhesive.
>
> Then these cadaver teeth may be placed in the patient in the same
> manner that today's prosthetic implants are placed.
>
> (We have come a long way since the Egyptian days).
>
> Respectfully,
> -Sue
>
| |
|
|
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> But what will give the teeth vitality. Come to think of it, why does a
> pulled tooth not kept in any liquid to keep it recognizable, deteriorate
> very quickly and can be broken like a straw almost, yet root canalled teeth
> can remain as in life almost. Never gave that any thought.
> The root canalled tooth is still connected to the nerves and gets it
> circulation that
> way?
>
> Gail
>
> "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1135119888.042966.102160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Excellent point Gail!
Why am I even entertaining the possibility?
These teeth would become brittle and weak, just like root canaled
teeth.
Thanks for the slap upside the head.
:-)
Sue
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| Whamatus_B 2005-12-21, 10:57 am |
| On 20 Dec 2005 14:51:10 -0800, "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Whatever.
>
Clever response.
>MDA = Minnesota Dental Association
>
>-Sue
Again exhibiting 'saviour syndrome'...
Get a life.
--
Whamatus
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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| Dr.Braces 2005-12-27, 5:55 pm |
| sorry, I don't usually follow the newsgroups, as this is a late reply,
You CAN, bleach teeth under braces, but the results vary, people are
afraid of when they get them off there will be a dark area, this is
ture to some extent. It all depends on what kind of bleach, how long
of application, what activation methods, and what kind of resin and
methods the braces were applied to the teeth.
For me to suggest it, I ussually wait until after I take off the
braces, but I have done it during treatment. it's harder becuaes it
may interfer with treatment, but I wouldn't recommend the fast in
office tx for a banded patient,. The patient must have exceptional
perfect oral heath also, I don't want to see any demineralization or
white spot lesions.
Dr. Braces
On 2005-12-20 09:13:36 -0800, "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> said:
> BTW, There was someone on another forum that asked whether it is
> possible to safely whiten (or bleach) teeth while wearing braces.
>
> There were no dentists around to answer his question. Do you have any
> comments? I will not paste your comments over there unless you permit
> me to do so.
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| Amatus Cremona 2005-12-27, 5:55 pm |
| Dr. Braces, please ignore the new resident troll. She harvests what you
say here, re-phrases it, and posts it somewhere else. Who knows what the
wording will be by the time it gets to the other location. OR, she may
quote you and paste part of what you say into another discussion completely
out of context. Better to leave her to her sheep.
--
/
Amatus
/
"Dr.Braces" <Dr.Braces@Orthodontics.com> wrote in message
news:2005122714275116807%DrBraces@Orthodonticscom...
> sorry, I don't usually follow the newsgroups, as this is a late reply,
>
> You CAN, bleach teeth under braces, but the results vary, people are
> afraid of when they get them off there will be a dark area, this is ture
> to some extent. It all depends on what kind of bleach, how long of
> application, what activation methods, and what kind of resin and methods
> the braces were applied to the teeth.
> For me to suggest it, I ussually wait until after I take off the braces,
> but I have done it during treatment. it's harder becuaes it may interfer
> with treatment, but I wouldn't recommend the fast in office tx for a
> banded patient,. The patient must have exceptional perfect oral heath
> also, I don't want to see any demineralization or white spot lesions.
>
> Dr. Braces
>
>
> On 2005-12-20 09:13:36 -0800, "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> said:
>
>
>
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Dr.Braces wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> sorry, I don't usually follow the newsgroups, as this is a late reply,
>
> You CAN, bleach teeth under braces, but the results vary, people are
> afraid of when they get them off there will be a dark area, this is
> ture to some extent. It all depends on what kind of bleach, how long
> of application, what activation methods, and what kind of resin and
> methods the braces were applied to the teeth.
> For me to suggest it, I ussually wait until after I take off the
> braces, but I have done it during treatment. it's harder becuaes it
> may interfer with treatment, but I wouldn't recommend the fast in
> office tx for a banded patient,. The patient must have exceptional
> perfect oral heath also, I don't want to see any demineralization or
> white spot lesions.
>
> Dr. Braces
>
>
> On 2005-12-20 09:13:36 -0800, "Sue" <chrlie699@yahoo.com> said:
>
Dr Braces,
This is helpful information for those who wear braces. Thank you for
sharing your expertise.
-Sue
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