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Exposing the many lies told here
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| >Subject: Re: KMEWA
>From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com
>Date: 11/12/2004 1:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <rfaap09sv0gp2i0j0npd488v4nmd4t4pid@4ax.com>
>
>For the sake of any new readers to this newsgroup. Jan is a retired
>day care worker (owner according to her) who makes a lot of noise
>about amalgam toxicity.
Correction:
Posts *facts*of mercury toxicity, because she had mercury poisoning from
amalgams.
>However, she flat out refuses to engage in any discussion about this issue
The is a lie as proven many times.
Dr Steve got caught in his own tap of lies and is now acting like a brat.
Because of his pride he keeps telling bigger and bigger lies. Everything has
been tried to run me off, everything has failed.
Proof here.
http://tinyurl.com/46jef
>Recognize that her views do Not reflect those of modern dentistry.
They are not my views, and Dr Steve knows it. By modern dentistry, he means the
lies told by *organized dentistry*
>Her views minor those of dishonest people who survive by preying on the
>innocent.
That also is a lie and the dishonest people here are ALL of the dentists except
Dr Steve Bornfeld.
This is my message and those who I have helped, and will continue until the day
I die. Even one dentists here says it is a shame I didn't, so that's an example
of the dentists here, with the exception of Dr. Stecve Bornfeld who is the only
gentleman dentists here.
*IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH!
NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS the dangers of metal
in the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol.
I did, it saved my life.
Mercury is Poisonous.
There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue.
The mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the
other sources together.
U151 identifies mercury as a toxic waste.
Mercury is also recovered from discarded products and wastes such as
chlor-alkali wastes, dental amalgams, fluorescent light tubes, electronic
devices, and others. The mercury is vaporized in a retort and collected by
condensation. Condensed mercury is then distilled to remove impurities.
***The Environmental Protection Agency is working to reduce the amount of
mercury
in the environment *****
http://www.ehs.ucsf.edu/Manuals/CSM/Csm_Chapter9.htm
17. DENTAL AMALGAM
Dental amalgams are mixtures of mercury with silver tin alloy. Cal-EPA
regulates them as ***chemical waste.*** Submit Chemical Waste Removal Form for
its disposal.
Jan
>Subject: Thanks to Jan,,,,
>From: "Rod" deniecerod@hotmail.com
>Date: 7/31/02 7:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <00S19.49685$Hj3.148558@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>
>
>Hi to all,
>
>I wish to express gratitude to Jan for making me aware of Dental issues.
>I suffer from Rheumatoid Arthritis and have done so since 1994. Having this
>degenerative disease has forced changes on my lifestyle to a great extent
>since not being able to tolerate the medications that are often prescribed,
>My Doctor and Rheumatologist recommended that I find alternatives to
>medications which is why I frequent this Ng as well as others.
>Well I am happy to report that since early 1999 have I have not had to
>endure the agony of the previous five years and continue to make
>improvement. One of the major improvements was the taking of CMO (Cetyl
>Myristoleate)
>I found that this "Alternative" returned my knees to normal and allowed me
>to continue working.
>The matter of Dental Health was also addressed during the past year and I,
>with consent of my Dentist, changed over a three month period. the majority
>of my fillings to what is called "Composites"
>
>I am happy to report that since that change that my feet and hands have
>improved noticeably and that I suffer less with the morning stiffness so
>often associated with Rheumatoid Arthritis.
>I still maintain mercury fillings however they have been reduced by over 50%
>WITH THE DENTAL CHANGES.
>Strangely other people that I correspond with have also noted an improvement
>in their well being since changing their amalgams to composites.
>
>So a sincere "Thank you Jan" for making me look at the issues regarding
>Dental Health. Believe me I have implemented these things "Aussie" Style
>and have enjoyed the benefit despite the "she'll be right" attitude of my
>Dentist. (Amalgam flying everywhere)
>
>Deniece and I are to shortly visit Canada and the US during the next eight
>weeks and I am most thankful of being able to make this trip, due to
>improved health.
>
>Incidentally I won the trip in a competition and it included the Canadian
>Rockies tour as well as the Alaskan cruise. Wow! so we extend it all to
>include Hawaii , North West USA and Hong Kong.
>
>So good things still happen which makes it all so much worthwhile.
>
>Many thanks Jan,
>
>Sincerely, Rod
>============================
>
>Jan - don't let them get you down. You never know how many people you
>reach who don't say anything.
>You are so right - amalgams and root canals. The cancer of
>dentistry. Keep up the good work. My
>compliments to you on your even tempered and thorough response. Some
>people just don't want to
>learn because they know they will have to radically change their dental
>practice if they are convinced
>of the error of their ways. And some people like bbb just scream about
>anything. They will never learn.
>But others will - and you are reaching them.
>
>Good Work!
>=============================
>
>I have read a lot of your postings with great interest. From other sources
>on
>the internet that I read, what you say is correct. I am 58 years and have
>had
>4 root canals and about 6 crowns done on my teeth. Now, one of the root
>canal/crowns is flaring up with an infection at the tip of the root. First
>time in my life, something like this has happened.
>
>At my age, my teeth have started cracking. In light of what has been
>researched and written, I see no reason to continue on with modern dentistry.
>
>I will get the tooth pulled. The idea is to not have any more root canals or
>crowns. Just start pulling and in the years ahead, get false teeth. When I
>run out of enough natural teeth.
>
>You were very brave to do your postings on the internet. I commend you for
>them.
>
>===========================
>Subject: Kudos to Jan Drew
>From: "Lance Mannion" lancemannion@nospam.net
>Date: 11/12/02 9:57 AM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <7F8A9.27789$y45.97195204@news.primus.ca>
>
>Long time lurker, first time poster.
>
>I have watched with amusement the idiocy of the dentists here on
>this NG, especially Joel, who attack Jan, and ignore her postings.
>The power of "groupthink" is quite amazing when viewing it from
>the outside as an unbiased observer.
>
>It is particularly amusing how powerful bias can be, when a group
>cannot recognize that something that is hazardous waste by the
>EPA's definition, is ok in the mouth. This should at least open
>one's mind to the *possibility* that amalgams are hazardous in
>*some* (not all) people. But noooooooo, the supposedly educated
>dental professionals here are all-knowing.
>
>I am a well educated, reasonable person, with a background in
>statistics. I had my amalgams out, and yes, it did cure several
>lifelong, chronic health conditions. It was *not* easy, and in
>fact, is probably a risky procedure, since you do expose yourself
>to lots of Hg upon removal. The detox has taken a long time, and
>has been extremely unpleasant.
>
>Re: Rich's postings - it is possible that some of Jan's improvement
>was due to placebo. Heck, I felt better immediately after my amalgam
>removal. That quickly changed as the Hg flooded into my body. Even
>if Jan had some improvement due to placebo, that doesn't preclude
>her from having Hg poisoning.
>
>Re: Joel - this guy is an idiot. His posts do nothing for the credibility
>of the "pro amalgam" side. I don't think he could handle a real debate.
>All he does is post stupid articles and one-liners - what a dolt !
>
>So Jan, keep up the good work, fight the good fight. Time will prove
>us correct. Don't give up. It's tough, and usually lonely, being on the
>cutting edge, and going against the conventional wisdom
>
>===============================
>
>P.S. And of course Kudos to Jan Drew. She did more service to
>============================
>Hi Jan
>
>Ive been reading some of your posts on alternative med support and now the
>dental site. I'll spare you my long story but ive had horrendous bilateral
>leg
>neuropathy from what I believe is Hg poisoning. Have had amalgams removed
>and
>done DMPS chelation with much improvement. Still have a ways to go but im
>getting there. Keep up the fight!
>
>And I have received a few others, and was asked not to post them as the
>poster
>didn't wish to be harassed by the dentists here.
>
>This one I received recently.
>
>
>
>The people on the NG seem very hostile. Chances are my dentist is dead, so
>I can't sue him, even if I wanted to. I have been suffering from something
>that the doctors can't explain. I had this filling put in 30 years
>ago. It seems to be corroding. Anyway, I've had this problem for 9
>years. I stumbled across a site that seemed to mimic exactly what my
>symptoms are. Can you tell me what your symptoms were. I feel like I'm
>dying but the doctors can't find out what's going on. Thanks for the web
>site address. Couldn't get on. I'll try later.
> thanx 4
>
> help
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| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:24 pm |
| If you have not been called a liar by "Jan Drew", what exactly does that
make you? Hmmmmm.
TW
In article <20041112194308.06545.00000448@mb-m15.aol.com>,
jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
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| On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:52:08 GMT, The Webby
<nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
>If you have not been called a liar by "Jan Drew", what exactly does that
>make you? Hmmmmm.
>TW
Someone not trying hard enough ?
--
W_B
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
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| Adenosine 2004-11-16, 4:24 pm |
| On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:11:14 GMT, W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:52:08 GMT, The Webby
><nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>Someone not trying hard enough ?
I don't think I've been accused of lying yet.
She won't play with me....
--
Adenosine
Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
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| On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:10:34 GMT, Adenosine <adeno@nospam4u.org>
wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:11:14 GMT, W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>
>I don't think I've been accused of lying yet.
>
>She won't play with me....
You haven't punched the right buttons yet.
Keep trying if you wish to achieve liar status
in the 'book of j**D.
Getting killfiled is the ultimate.
More on that later.
Good luck Grasshopper.
--
W_B
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
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| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:24 pm |
| Why won't she play with you?
TW
In article <fqnap0l5p381pb6rgqlnvmjbh7gq0adsdq@4ax.com>,
Adenosine <adeno@nospam4u.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:11:14 GMT, W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>
> I don't think I've been accused of lying yet.
>
> She won't play with me....
>
> --
> Adenosine
> Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
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| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:24 pm |
| In article <25vap0pro2jngj5ul6m0v079r7693gfvhe@4ax.com>,
W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:52:08 GMT, The Webby
> <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Someone not trying hard enough ?
>
> --
> W_B
>
>
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
> Take out the G'RBAGE
Good answer!
TW
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| >Subject: Re: Exposing the many lies told here[vbcol=seagreen]
>From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net
>Date: 11/12/2004 5:11 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <25vap0pro2jngj5ul6m0v079r7693gfvhe@4ax.com>
>
>On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:52:08 GMT, The Webby
><nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
It means you haven't lied, if you do, count on me to catch it, correct it and
prove it, as always.
Like I did yours, that's why you remain in my killfile.
You are a danger to innocent people.
Jan
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| >Subject: Re: Exposing the many lies told here
>From: Adenosine adeno@nospam4u.org
>Date: 11/12/2004 5:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <fqnap0l5p381pb6rgqlnvmjbh7gq0adsdq@4ax.com>
>
>On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:11:14 GMT, W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>
>I don't think I've been accused of lying yet.
>
>She won't play with me....
>
>--
>Adenosine
>Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
I haven't seen you lie, just do quite a bit of belittling.
I don't play here, I am here to help others and will continue.
Jan
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| >Subject: Re: Exposing the many lies told here
>From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net
>Date: 11/12/2004 5:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <lbvap01rdakq3t6h7ej662gr9gvou9opqt@4ax.com>
>
>On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:10:34 GMT, Adenosine <adeno@nospam4u.org>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>You haven't punched the right buttons yet.
W_B's right buttons, include talking about the Salt Lake City Landfill, and
stating it's a damn shame I didn't die.
His lies have been posted and proven.
Dr Steve calls him a very nice guy.
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| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:24 pm |
| Yes.......... I see how I'm in your kill-file.
The Webby
In article <20041112205521.06545.00000457@mb-m15.aol.com>,
jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
> It means you haven't lied, if you do, count on me to catch it, correct it and
> prove it, as always.
>
> Like I did yours, that's why you remain in my killfile.
>
> You are a danger to innocent people.
>
> Jan
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| StovePipe 2004-11-16, 4:24 pm |
| [vbcol=seagreen]
<deep breath>
<crack knuckles>
<clear throat>
<Push up sleeves>
<ahem... remmmnhumm...>
The Far Side: Some Obscure Chess Moves;
Queen's Pawn to Albuquerque, New Mexico...
Your move, SWNMNBM
...
.... ;-)
SP
--
Not a real Addy, yet
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| Seeking Knowledge 2004-11-16, 4:24 pm |
| WOW - I have reached the ultimate accolade then - Jan never responds to my
posts anymore! I am blessed - believe me guys it's like being exorcised when
you get Jan out of your life!
Ian
"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:lbvap01rdakq3t6h7ej662gr9gvou9opqt@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:10:34 GMT, Adenosine <adeno@nospam4u.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> You haven't punched the right buttons yet.
> Keep trying if you wish to achieve liar status
> in the 'book of j**D.
> Getting killfiled is the ultimate.
>
> More on that later.
>
> Good luck Grasshopper.
>
> --
> W_B
>
>
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
> Take out the G'RBAGE
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Ten foot cyber pole.
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:47:52 GMT, The Webby
<nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Why won't she play with you?
>TW
>
>In article <fqnap0l5p381pb6rgqlnvmjbh7gq0adsdq@4ax.com>,
> Adenosine <adeno@nospam4u.org> wrote:
>
--
W_B
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
| |
|
| On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:49:06 GMT, The Webby
<nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
>In article <25vap0pro2jngj5ul6m0v079r7693gfvhe@4ax.com>,
> W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>
>Good answer!
>
>TW
Glad to be of service.
--
W_B
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
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| On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 02:04:17 GMT, The Webby
<nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
>Yes.......... I see how I'm in your kill-file.
>
>The Webby
That kf seems a little dodgy to me.
Must be an AOHell thingy.
--
W_B
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
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| >
>
>Correction:
>
>Posts *facts*of mercury toxicity, because she had mercury poisoning from
>amalgams.
>
>
>
>The is a lie as proven many times.
>
>Dr Steve got caught in his own tap of lies and is now acting like a brat.
>Because of his pride he keeps telling bigger and bigger lies. Everything has
>been tried to run me off, everything has failed.
>
>Proof here.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/46jef
>
>
>They are not my views, and Dr Steve knows it. By modern dentistry, he means
>the
>lies told by *organized dentistry*
>
>
>That also is a lie and the dishonest people here are ALL of the dentists
>except
>Dr Steve Bornfeld.
>
>This is my message and those who I have helped, and will continue until the
>day
>I die. Even one dentists here says it is a shame I didn't, so that's an
>example
>of the dentists here, with the exception of Dr. Stecve Bornfeld who is the
>only
>gentleman dentists here.
>
>*IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH!
>
>NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS the dangers of
>metal
>in the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol.
>
>I did, it saved my life.
>
>Mercury is Poisonous.
>
>There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue.
>
>The mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the
>other sources together.
>
>U151 identifies mercury as a toxic waste.
>
>Mercury is also recovered from discarded products and wastes such as
>chlor-alkali wastes, dental amalgams, fluorescent light tubes, electronic
>devices, and others. The mercury is vaporized in a retort and collected by
>condensation. Condensed mercury is then distilled to remove impurities.
>
>
>***The Environmental Protection Agency is working to reduce the amount of
>mercury
>in the environment *****
>
>http://www.ehs.ucsf.edu/Manuals/CSM/Csm_Chapter9.htm
>
>17. DENTAL AMALGAM
>
>Dental amalgams are mixtures of mercury with silver tin alloy. Cal-EPA
>regulates them as ***chemical waste.*** Submit Chemical Waste Removal Form
>for
>its disposal.
>
>Jan
>
>dentistry.
>or
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Roy Brown 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
|
"Adenosine" <adeno@nospam4u.org> wrote in message
news:fqnap0l5p381pb6rgqlnvmjbh7gq0adsdq@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:11:14 GMT, W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
|
| >On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:52:08 GMT, The Webby
| ><nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
| >
| >>If you have not been called a liar by "Jan Drew", what exactly does that
| >>make you? Hmmmmm.
| >>TW
| >
| >Someone not trying hard enough ?
|
| I don't think I've been accused of lying yet.
|
| She won't play with me....
|
| --
| Adenosine
| Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
I don't know whether or not I've been accused of lying. I'm not sure how to
remove a block, nor do I want to. Has she labelled me?
--
RB.ca
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| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| In article <NiCld.53175$Z7.1590785@news20.bellglobal.com>,
"Roy Brown" <roybrown@sympatico.DotSeaEh> wrote:
> "Adenosine" <adeno@nospam4u.org> wrote in message
> news:fqnap0l5p381pb6rgqlnvmjbh7gq0adsdq@4ax.com...
> | On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:11:14 GMT, W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
> |
> | >On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:52:08 GMT, The Webby
> | ><nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
> | >
> | >>If you have not been called a liar by "Jan Drew", what exactly does that
> | >>make you? Hmmmmm.
> | >>TW
> | >
> | >Someone not trying hard enough ?
> |
> | I don't think I've been accused of lying yet.
> |
> | She won't play with me....
> |
> | --
> | Adenosine
> | Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
>
> I don't know whether or not I've been accused of lying. I'm not sure how to
> remove a block, nor do I want to. Has she labelled me?
> --
> RB.ca
Just in:
>
> Diversion.
>
> Now, back to the subject.
I see you've been accused of "diversion" tactics... that is very close
to being accused of that other little something ... (watch out, Roy,
because it's very, very contagious)
TW
| |
| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| Look to last entry:
In article
<nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-3E88D0.22483813112004@orngca-news03.soca
l.rr.com>,
The Webby <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
> In article <NiCld.53175$Z7.1590785@news20.bellglobal.com>,
> "Roy Brown" <roybrown@sympatico.DotSeaEh> wrote:
>
>
> Just in:
Posted by Jan Drew:
>
And J** wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
And TW wrote with regards to the above matter:[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I see you've been accused of "diversion" tactics... that is very close
> to being accused of that other little something ... (watch out, Roy,
> because it's very, very contagious)
>
> TW
TW
| |
|
| >Subject: Re: Exposing the many lies told here
>From: "Roy Brown" roybrown@sympatico.DotSeaEh
>Date: 11/13/2004 9:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <NiCld.53175$Z7.1590785@news20.bellglobal.com>
>
>
>"Adenosine" <adeno@nospam4u.org> wrote in message
>news:fqnap0l5p381pb6rgqlnvmjbh7gq0adsdq@4ax.com...
>| On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:11:14 GMT, W_B <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote:
>|
>| >On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:52:08 GMT, The Webby
>| ><nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
>| >
>| >>If you have not been called a liar by "Jan Drew", what exactly does that
>| >>make you? Hmmmmm.
>| >>TW
#1.
>On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:28:31 GMT, The Webby
[vbcol=seagreen]
>"Jan Drew" does not believe in science.
>TW
http://www.algonet.se/~leif/FUSCIFCT.html
Scientifically Proven Facts
About Mercury & Dental Amalgam
#2.
Subject: Re: KMEWA
From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net
Date: 11/12/2004 2:48 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <drmap01aafnpe0mnnusi00pqm67nrulb5o@4ax.com>
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:32:54 GMT, Rich.@. wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:28:31 GMT, The Webby
><nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>Not true. Jan believes in ANYTHING if it happens to support her
>preconceived ideas (PI). When science supports her PI then she is a
>believer. When science contradicts her PI then she calls it evil
>organized medicine/dentistry.
>
>Aloha,
>
>Rich
Another astute analysis.
Would emend PI to MTP.
Magical Thinking Preconceptions.
You may wish to tweak that phrase.
--
W_B
Rich H Jacobson is a proven liar many times over and all here have seen it.
He also has a pattern of cyberstalking and has nuked his posts, all here have
seen it.
He even uses ill and even dead parents to belittle, all here have seen it.
He has accused every person to be a liar, who has used alternative medicine and
dentistry with success, all here have seen it.
He never could answer Bubba's questions, all here have seen it.
W_B speaks of The Salt Lake City Landfill.
W-B made a bet and is not man of his word, all here have seen it.
W_B stated , it was a damn shame I didn't die, all here have seen it.
Richard H Jacobson is a proven liar.
Rich ,@. wrote in news:khcbeusflte8j1bpsr6ltdva9r1s4jd8o8@4ax.com:> On Sat,
18May 2002 01:29:42 GMT, >ilena@san.rr.com (Ilena Rose) wrote:
Inarticle4t8beu4ufu8n24vblsrpdkubhoj93ttjn6@4ax.com>, Rich ,@. wrote: >Are you
sure my name is Richard Jacobson??
cease and desist?? Of course her request presumes that I have been stalking
and harassing her.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>I am grateful for one thing; that Richard Jacobson is not my real
name.Unfortunately the Richard Jacobson that DOES live in Hawaii may not be too
appy with my assuming his name for purposes of the internet especially given
the recent events. He happens to live on a different island from me. I do
plan to contact him to let him know that someone may try to harass him since
heis listed in the phone book.
===
Hiking The Kalalau Trail Richard Jacobson (richj@cris.com)Sat, 16 Mar 1996
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>Se 'Ya" >Hawaii's premier backpacking trail, the Kalalau Trail on the island
of
Kauai still remains closed past Hanakoa due to the reconstruction ofthe trail
near "crawler's ridge". Estimated date of completion is Mid May.Until then,
camping will only be permitted in Hanakapiai and Hanakoa Valleys. I for one am
anxious to have Kalalau open again. It has to be one of the finest trails in
the world.
Aloha,
Rich------------------------------------------------
Richard H. Jacobson
Always remember to put Horace before Descarte
>Subject: Re: KMEWA
>From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com
>Date: 11/12/2004 1:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <rfaap09sv0gp2i0j0npd488v4nmd4t4pid@4ax.com>
>
>For the sake of any new readers to this newsgroup. Jan is a retired
>day care worker (owner according to her) who makes a lot of noise
>about amalgam toxicity.
Correction:
Posts *facts*of mercury toxicity, because she had mercury poisoning from
amalgams.
>However, she flat out refuses to engage in any discussion about this issue
The is a lie as proven many times.
Dr Steve got caught in his own tap of lies and is now acting like a brat.
Because of his pride he keeps telling bigger and bigger lies. Everything has
been tried to run me off, everything has failed.
Proof here.
http://tinyurl.com/46jef
>Recognize that her views do Not reflect those of modern dentistry.
They are not my views, and Dr Steve knows it. By modern dentistry, he means the
lies told by *organized dentistry*
>Her views minor those of dishonest people who survive by preying on the
>innocent.
That also is a lie and the dishonest people here are ALL of the dentists except
Dr Steve Bornfeld.
She won't play with me....
>
>--
>Adenosine
>Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
I haven't seen you lie, just do quite a bit of belittling.
I don't play here, I am here to help others and will continue.
Jan
It means you haven't lied, if you do, count on me to catch it, correct it and
prove it, as always.
Like I did yours, that's why you remain in my killfile.
You are a danger to innocent people.
Jan
| |
| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| Who is?
TW
In article <20041114015340.05904.00000290@mb-m19.aol.com>,
jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
[cut]
>
> You are a danger to innocent people.
>
> Jan
| |
| Roy Brown 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
|
"The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote
snip
RB wrote:
| >
| > I don't know whether or not I've been accused of lying. I'm not sure
how to
| > remove a block, nor do I want to. Has she labelled me?
| > --
| > RB.ca
|
| Just in:
|
| > >Subject: Re: Health Improvements From Removal Of Amalgams STUDIES
| > >From: "Roy Brown" roybrown@sympatico.DotSeaEh
| > >Date: 11/13/2004 9:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
| > >Message-id: <aHBld.53146$Z7.1584567@news20.bellglobal.com>
| > >
| > >There have been anecdotal suggestions that there is a direct inverse
| > >proportional relationship between a man's ability to dance and their
ability
| > >to sexually satisfy their partner
| >
| > Diversion.
| >
| > Now, back to the subject.
|
| I see you've been accused of "diversion" tactics... that is very close
| to being accused of that other little something ... (watch out, Roy,
| because it's very, very contagious)
|
| TW
Thanks TW,
You are faster than Google groups.
Would you recommend that I don latex or take up dancing? I would not want to
be questioned at the border about something so contagious.
Strange thing, on the last Xrossing to visit SM, it was OK to bring dog food
created from pisces rather than from rudiments which were definitively
banned. I wonder if the guards knew that I was inadvertently importing such
a deadly substance back into the USA satisfying their governments effort to
keep a few prions out. I further wonder if certain possible A.I.B's (invoked
by the 5th) even know what I am referring to. Hint: The dental terms for
Aechh Gee and a cusp.
--
RB.SeaEh
| |
|
| >Subject: Re: Exposing the many lies told here
>From: "Roy Brown" roybrown@sympatico.DotSeaEh
>Date: 11/13/2004 11:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <zVDld.53217$Z7.1602905@news20.bellglobal.com>
>
>
>"The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote
>
>snip
>
>RB wrote:
>| >
>| > I don't know whether or not I've been accused of lying. I'm not sure
>how to
>| > remove a block, nor do I want to. Has she labelled me?
>| > --
>| > RB.ca
>|
>| Just in:
>|
>| > >Subject: Re: Health Improvements From Removal Of Amalgams STUDIES
>| > >From: "Roy Brown" roybrown@sympatico.DotSeaEh
>| > >Date: 11/13/2004 9:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
>| > >Message-id: <aHBld.53146$Z7.1584567@news20.bellglobal.com>
>| > >
>| > >There have been anecdotal suggestions that there is a direct inverse
>| > >proportional relationship between a man's ability to dance and their
>ability
>| > >to sexually satisfy their partner
>| >
>| > Diversion.
>| >
>| > Now, back to the subject.
>|
>| I see you've been accused of "diversion" tactics..
Indeed.
It is what you are doing right now.
>that is very close
>| to being accused of that other little something ... (watch out, Roy,
>| because it's very, very contagious)
>|
>| TW
Sabra sucking up again.
Lying is rampant here.
Sabra is a *proven* liar.
She forgot to mention that.
#1.
>
>
>
>
>http://www.algonet.se/~leif/FUSCIFCT.html
>
>Scientifically Proven Facts
>About Mercury & Dental Amalgam
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------
>1. Dental Amalgam contains about 50% Mercury.
>2. Mercury has been scientifically demonstrated to be more toxic than Lead,
>Cadmium, or even Arsenic.
>3. Mercury leaves dental amalgam continuously throughout the lifetime of the
>filing.(7)
>4. Mercury vapour is the main way that mercury comes out of amalgam.(31)
>5. Mercury vapour is absorbed at a rate of 80% through the lungs into the
>arterial blood. (31, 55)
>6. Mercury is cytotoxic. Ie. It kills cells
>7. There is NO harmless level of Mercury Vapour Exposure. (63)
>8. Mercury from amalgam binds to -SH (sulphydryl) groups. These exist in
>almost
>every enzymatic process in the body. Mercury from amalgam will thus have the
>potential of disturbing all metabolic processes. ( 25, 33,60).
>9. Mercury from amalgam is transported freely via the blood.(19,34,35,)
>10. Mercury vapour is absorbed directly into the brain. (34, 55a)
>11. Mercury from amalgam will result in a slow build up of mercury in body
>tissues. (20,26, 34)
>12. Mercury crosses the blood brain barrier. (34,55a)
>13. Mercury is implicated in the pathogenesis of Alzheimer's Disease. (67,68)
>
>14. Mercury from amalgam is stored in the foetus and infant before the
>mother.
>(20,61)
>15. Mercury from amalgam is stored in the breast milk and the foetus up to 8
>times more than the mother's tissues. (18,19)
>16. Mercury (Mercury Vapour / Methylmercury) crosses the placenta.(18, 31)
>17. Mercury Crosses into breast milk.(18,31,61)
>18. Mercury will severely reduce reproductive function.(2, 3, 4, 20, 22, 24,
>31, 37,38, 39, 40, 41, 49)
>19. Mercury rapidly depletes the immune
>system.(27,34,35,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,60)
>20. Mercury will induce a number of Auto Immune
>Diseases.(27,34,35,42,43,44,60)
>
>21. Mercury will cause an increase in number and severity of
>allergies.(1,34,60)
>22. Mercury from amalgam is stored principally in the kidneys, liver and
>brain.
>(1,20,31)
>23. Mercury from amalgam (shown in animal experiments) causes kidney
>damage.(59)
>24. Mercury from will cause a 50% reduction in Kidney filtration as shown in
>a
>study of sheep after amalgam placement.(59)
>25. Methyl Mercury is more toxic than elemental Mercury.
>26. Mercury from amalgam is methylated in the mouth.(51,53,54,)
>27. After chewing, Mercury Vapour levels will remain raised for at least
>another 90 minutes. (1,15,16,18,47)
>28. Mercury from amalgam will migrate through the tooth.(25,27,30)
>29. This rate of migration is increased if a gold crown is placed over a
>tooth
>filled with amalgam. (27,30)
>30. Teeth are living tissue and are a part of our bodies.
>31. Teeth have a massive communication via blood, lymph and nerves with the
>rest of the body.(34)
>32. Mercury from amalgam is absorbed into the body at a rate of 3 to 17 mcg /
>day. ( WHO 1991 Criteria 118)
>33. Mercury release is increased by; increases in temperature, friction &
>increase in electrical currents.(28,31,56)
>34. Mercury from amalgam will enter the body as;
>Elemental Mercury, Inorganic Mercury, Vapour, charged Mercury ions.
>35. In the Brain, Mercury from amalgam is stored preferentially in the
>Pituitary Gland and Hypothalamus. (20,34)
>36. Micro-Mercurialism is principally characterised by Neurological
>symptoms.(34)
>37. Mercury is transported along the axons of nerve fibres.(33,34,50)
>38. Mercury from amalgam may be stored in every other cell in the body. Each
>area affected will produce its own set of symptoms.
>39. Mercury binds to haemoglobin in the red blood cell thus reducing oxygen
>carrying capacity.(1,16,17,21,26,35)
>40. Mercury damages blood vessel reducing blood supply to the tissues
>(micro-angiopathies).(34)
>41. Amalgam fillings produce electrical currents which might be injurious to
>health. These currents are measurable in Micro Amps. The Central Nervous
>System
>(Brain) operates in the range of Nano-Amps this is One Thousand times less
>than
>a Micro Amp.(28)
>41A. Dissimilar metals in the mouth [eg Gold & Amalgam] will produce higher
>electrical currents.(19,30)
>42. Mercury from amalgam (shown in animal experiments) will induce Antibiotic
>Resistance and Mercury resistance in bacteria in the mouth and
>Gastrointestinal
>tract.(58)
>43. Brain levels of mercury are in a direct linear proportion to the number
>of
>Surfaces of amalgam fillings in the mouth.(1,19,25)
>43A? The level of Mercury, in brain tissue of foetus's, new born, and young
>children, is proportional to the number of amalgams in the mother's
>mouth.(61)
>44. Mercury will cause single strand breaks in DNA.(41,42)
>45. Mercury levels in the body can not be assessed by either blood or urine
>levels. (26)
>46. Mercury from amalgam fillings is the single
>greatest source of dietary mercury for the general population. (W.H.O.
>Criteria
>118., 1991).
>47. Dental personnel are severely effected by exposure to mercury. (3,13,49)
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------
>
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>University of Sydney 1991
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>
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>------
>
>Authorised by the Australasian Society of Oral Medicine and Toxicology. Phone
>+64 2 867-1111
>Mercury is Poisonous.
>There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue.
>
>
>
>
>
>
| |
| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| In article <20041114121230.06675.00000472@mb-m15.aol.com>,
jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
> Sabra sucking up again.
>
> Lying is rampant here.
>
> Sabra is a *proven* liar.
>
> She forgot to mention that.
>
Observation:
Why does she need to be "sucking up" in the NG, Jan? If that's what you
think she's doing, deal with it and get over it because what does it
have to do with you???
Why would she need to be lying in smd, Jan? If that's what you think,
you are entitled to think it, of course. If that's what other's think,
they need to take it up with her!
What does smd think? (Mostly a rhetorical question.)
TW
| |
| Joel M. Eichen 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| On 14 Nov 2004 17:12:30 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>Indeed.
>
>It is what you are doing right now.
de-NILE?
| |
|
| On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 00:45:51 -0500, "Roy Brown"
<roybrown@sympatico.DotSeaEh> wrote:
>I don't know whether or not I've been accused of lying. I'm not sure how to
>remove a block, nor do I want to. Has she labelled me?
>--
>RB.ca
Not yet.
--
W_B
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
| |
| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| I think the possible A.I.B.'s do not and have not been planned (word
substitution) to recognize such content.
TW
In article <zVDld.53217$Z7.1602905@news20.bellglobal.com>,
"Roy Brown" <roybrown@sympatico.DotSeaEh> wrote:
[clip]
> I further wonder if certain possible A.I.B's (invoked
> by the 5th) even know what I am referring to.
> RB.SeaEh
| |
| Dr. Steve 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| [vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
...
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
| |
| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| In article <6aofp0d8e32b3epn6ddoh54t6kupjd947k@4ax.com>,
Dr. Steve <drsteve@no-spam.com> wrote:
>
>
> ..
> Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
> Troy, Michigan, USA
>
> Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
Dr. Steve, did you mean to write "minor"??? Or did you mean "mirror"???
TW
| |
| Dr. Steve 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
|
>W_B's right buttons, include talking about the Salt Lake City Landfill, and
>stating it's a damn shame I didn't die.
>
>His lies have been posted and proven.
>
>Dr Steve calls him a very nice guy.
>
He has been to my house & I consider it a privilege to be with him or
any of his family.
...
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
| |
|
| >From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com
>Date: 11/12/2004 1:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <rfaap09sv0gp2i0j0npd488v4nmd4t4pid@4ax.com>
>
>For the sake of any new readers to this newsgroup. Jan is a retired
>day care worker (owner according to her) who makes a lot of noise
>about amalgam toxicity.
Correction:
Posts *facts*of mercury toxicity, because she had mercury poisoning from
amalgams.
>However, she flat out refuses to engage in any discussion about this issue
The is a lie as proven many times.
Dr Steve got caught in his own tap of lies and is now acting like a brat.
Because of his pride he keeps telling bigger and bigger lies. Everything has
been tried to run me off, everything has failed.
Proof here.
http://tinyurl.com/46jef
>Recognize that her views do Not reflect those of modern dentistry.
They are not my views, and Dr Steve knows it. By modern dentistry, he means the
lies told by *organized dentistry*
>Her views minor those of dishonest people who survive by preying on the
>innocent.
That also is a lie and the dishonest people here are ALL of the dentists except
Dr Steve Bornfeld.
This is my message and those who I have helped, and will continue until the day
I die. Even one dentists here says it is a shame I didn't, so that's an example
of the dentists here, with the exception of Dr. Stecve Bornfeld who is the only
gentleman dentists here.
*IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH!
NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS the dangers of metal
in the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol.
I did, it saved my life.
Mercury is Poisonous.
There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue.
The mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the
other sources together.
U151 identifies mercury as a toxic waste.
Mercury is also recovered from discarded products and wastes such as
chlor-alkali wastes, dental amalgams, fluorescent light tubes, electronic
devices, and others. The mercury is vaporized in a retort and collected by
condensation. Condensed mercury is then distilled to remove impurities.
***The Environmental Protection Agency is working to reduce the amount of
mercury
in the environment *****
http://www.ehs.ucsf.edu/Manuals/CSM/Csm_Chapter9.htm
17. DENTAL AMALGAM
Dental amalgams are mixtures of mercury with silver tin alloy. Cal-EPA
regulates them as ***chemical waste.*** Submit Chemical Waste Removal Form for
its disposal.
Jan
>Subject: Thanks to Jan,,,,
>From: "Rod" deniecerod@hotmail.com
>Date: 7/31/02 7:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <00S19.49685$Hj3.148558@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>
>
>Hi to all,
>
>I wish to express gratitude to Jan for making me aware of Dental issues.
>I suffer from Rheumatoid Arthritis and have done so since 1994. Having this
>degenerative disease has forced changes on my lifestyle to a great extent
>since not being able to tolerate the medications that are often prescribed,
>My Doctor and Rheumatologist recommended that I find alternatives to
>medications which is why I frequent this Ng as well as others.
>Well I am happy to report that since early 1999 have I have not had to
>endure the agony of the previous five years and continue to make
>improvement. One of the major improvements was the taking of CMO (Cetyl
>Myristoleate)
>I found that this "Alternative" returned my knees to normal and allowed me
>to continue working.
>The matter of Dental Health was also addressed during the past year and I,
>with consent of my Dentist, changed over a three month period. the majority
>of my fillings to what is called "Composites"
>
>I am happy to report that since that change that my feet and hands have
>improved noticeably and that I suffer less with the morning stiffness so
>often associated with Rheumatoid Arthritis.
>I still maintain mercury fillings however they have been reduced by over 50%
>WITH THE DENTAL CHANGES.
>Strangely other people that I correspond with have also noted an improvement
>in their well being since changing their amalgams to composites.
>
>So a sincere "Thank you Jan" for making me look at the issues regarding
>Dental Health. Believe me I have implemented these things "Aussie" Style
>and have enjoyed the benefit despite the "she'll be right" attitude of my
>Dentist. (Amalgam flying everywhere)
>
>Deniece and I are to shortly visit Canada and the US during the next eight
>weeks and I am most thankful of being able to make this trip, due to
>improved health.
>
>Incidentally I won the trip in a competition and it included the Canadian
>Rockies tour as well as the Alaskan cruise. Wow! so we extend it all to
>include Hawaii , North West USA and Hong Kong.
>
>So good things still happen which makes it all so much worthwhile.
>
>Many thanks Jan,
>
>Sincerely, Rod
>============================
>
>Jan - don't let them get you down. You never know how many people you
>reach who don't say anything.
>You are so right - amalgams and root canals. The cancer of
>dentistry. Keep up the good work. My
>compliments to you on your even tempered and thorough response. Some
>people just don't want to
>learn because they know they will have to radically change their dental
>practice if they are convinced
>of the error of their ways. And some people like bbb just scream about
>anything. They will never learn.
>But others will - and you are reaching them.
>
>Good Work!
>=============================
>
>I have read a lot of your postings with great interest. From other sources
>on
>the internet that I read, what you say is correct. I am 58 years and have
>had
>4 root canals and about 6 crowns done on my teeth. Now, one of the root
>canal/crowns is flaring up with an infection at the tip of the root. First
>time in my life, something like this has happened.
>
>At my age, my teeth have started cracking. In light of what has been
>researched and written, I see no reason to continue on with modern dentistry.
>
>I will get the tooth pulled. The idea is to not have any more root canals or
>crowns. Just start pulling and in the years ahead, get false teeth. When I
>run out of enough natural teeth.
>
>You were very brave to do your postings on the internet. I commend you for
>them.
>
>===========================
>Subject: Kudos to Jan Drew
>From: "Lance Mannion" lancemannion@nospam.net
>Date: 11/12/02 9:57 AM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <7F8A9.27789$y45.97195204@news.primus.ca>
>
>Long time lurker, first time poster.
>
>I have watched with amusement the idiocy of the dentists here on
>this NG, especially Joel, who attack Jan, and ignore her postings.
>The power of "groupthink" is quite amazing when viewing it from
>the outside as an unbiased observer.
>
>It is particularly amusing how powerful bias can be, when a group
>cannot recognize that something that is hazardous waste by the
>EPA's definition, is ok in the mouth. This should at least open
>one's mind to the *possibility* that amalgams are hazardous in
>*some* (not all) people. But noooooooo, the supposedly educated
>dental professionals here are all-knowing.
>
>I am a well educated, reasonable person, with a background in
>statistics. I had my amalgams out, and yes, it did cure several
>lifelong, chronic health conditions. It was *not* easy, and in
>fact, is probably a risky procedure, since you do expose yourself
>to lots of Hg upon removal. The detox has taken a long time, and
>has been extremely unpleasant.
>
>Re: Rich's postings - it is possible that some of Jan's improvement
>was due to placebo. Heck, I felt better immediately after my amalgam
>removal. That quickly changed as the Hg flooded into my body. Even
>if Jan had some improvement due to placebo, that doesn't preclude
>her from having Hg poisoning.
>
>Re: Joel - this guy is an idiot. His posts do nothing for the credibility
>of the "pro amalgam" side. I don't think he could handle a real debate.
>All he does is post stupid articles and one-liners - what a dolt !
>
>So Jan, keep up the good work, fight the good fight. Time will prove
>us correct. Don't give up. It's tough, and usually lonely, being on the
>cutting edge, and going against the conventional wisdom
>
>===============================
>
>P.S. And of course Kudos to Jan Drew. She did more service to
>============================
>Hi Jan
>
>Ive been reading some of your posts on alternative med support and now the
>dental site. I'll spare you my long story but ive had horrendous bilateral
>leg
>neuropathy from what I believe is Hg poisoning. Have had amalgams removed
>and
>done DMPS chelation with much improvement. Still have a ways to go but im
>getting there. Keep up the fight!
>
>And I have received a few others, and was asked not to post them as the
>poster
>didn't wish to be harassed by the dentists here.
>
>This one I received recently.
>
>
>
>The people on the NG seem very hostile. Chances are my dentist is dead, so
>I can't sue him, even if I wanted to. I have been suffering from something
>that the doctors can't explain. I had this filling put in 30 years
>ago. It seems to be corroding. Anyway, I've had this problem for 9
>years. I stumbled across a site that seemed to mimic exactly what my
>symptoms are. Can you tell me what your symptoms were. I feel like I'm
>dying but the doctors can't find out what's going on. Thanks for the web
>site address. Couldn't get on. I'll try later.
> thanx 4
>
> help
| |
|
| >Subject: Re: Exposing the many lies told here
>From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com
>Date: 11/14/2004 3:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <nrofp01jupogqs3jpa83v4ugjeheg26fcl@4ax.com>
>
>
>
>He has been to my house & I consider it a privilege to be with him or
>any of his family.
Perhaps, you wish to overlook his despicable posts, made here.
No wonder you think he is nice.
[vbcol=seagreen]
| |
| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| Posting again. A little server trouble ...
TW
In article
<nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-2CA72C.15010914112004@orngca-news03.soca
l.rr.com>,
The Webby <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
> In article <6aofp0d8e32b3epn6ddoh54t6kupjd947k@4ax.com>,
> Dr. Steve <drsteve@no-spam.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Steve, did you mean to write "minor"??? Or did you mean "mirror"???
>
> TW
| |
| Joel M. Eichen 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| On 14 Nov 2004 23:28:10 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
>Perhaps, you wish to overlook his despicable posts, made here.
>
>No wonder you think he is nice.
This is because Steve is always a gentleman ......
| |
| Joel M. Eichen 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| On 14 Nov 2004 23:12:12 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>Correction:
>
>Posts *facts*of mercury toxicity, because she had mercury poisoning from
>amalgams.
..... and had trouble Break Dancing until she recovered six days later.
| |
| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| In article <8k3gp09ku66tetgi20j83m2gnq1dmfhu8t@4ax.com>,
Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 14 Nov 2004 23:28:10 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
>
> This is because Steve is always a gentleman ......
Yes, he truly is.
| |
| Dr. Steve 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:59:29 GMT, The Webby
<nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
>In article <6aofp0d8e32b3epn6ddoh54t6kupjd947k@4ax.com>,
> Dr. Steve <drsteve@no-spam.com> wrote:
>
>
>Dr. Steve, did you mean to write "minor"??? Or did you mean "mirror"???
>
>TW
I meant to write mirror. This tablet PC allows me to post without the
use of keyboard. I just write on the surface of the screen with the
"pen". I have the spell checker turned on with the handwriting
recognition, and sometimes is mis-reads my cursive handwriting and
writes either a very similar word, or something completely off the
wall. I am learning to double check prior to posting, but old habits
do not die off easily.
...
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
| |
| Dr. Steve 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| [vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
n any discussion beyond the pasted quotations stolen from some other >>internet source.
...
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
| |
| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| Because I knew that, I thought I could guess! ;-)
TW
In article <2j9gp011cqn6gaob2lmrnma2olihpv740j@4ax.com>,
Dr. Steve <drsteve@no-spam.com> wrote:
>This tablet PC allows me to post without the
> use of keyboard.
> Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
> Troy, Michigan, USA
>
> Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
| |
|
| >Subject: Re: Exposing the many lies told here
>From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com
>Date: 11/14/2004 7:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <cn9gp09je5feuf956682emr5o158clnsu7@4ax.com>
>
>
>For the sake of any new readers to this newsgroup. Jan is a retired
>day care worker (owner according to her) who makes a lot of noise
>about amalgam toxicity.
Correction:
Posts *facts*of mercury toxicity, because she had mercury poisoning from
amalgams.
Since Dr Steve is repeating ihmself, it is noted he says nothing about this
correction.
>However, she flat out refuses to engage in any discussion about this issue
The is a lie as proven many times. In fact it is exactly what Dt Steve is
guilty of. He neither dicsussed or answered my questons.
Proof here.
http://tinyurl.com/46jef
>Her views mirror those of dishonest people who survive by preying on the
>innocent.
..
Lie #1 They are not my views, and the liar knows it.
Lie #2 No oe is preying in the innocent, if fact my measseges starts with *IF*
you have an unanswered health problem,,,,check the teeth.
>Please do not blindly accept anything posted under that "sender" as truth
Do read the scientific proof I have posted.
<snip insults>
[vbcol=seagreen]
>much >>effort has been made, especially in the past two months,to engage in a
>refusal to >>participate in any discussion beyond the pasted quotations
>stolen from some other >>internet source.
There was no refusal, neither was my reply stolen from any other internet
source.
So to show you what a liar Dr Steve is. I will except him to prove that
accusation.
My proof of this lie here.
http://tinyurl.com/3rly6
These are MY words, not stolen.
Dr Steve caught himself in a trap, now he is lying further because he can't in
truth answer my questions, and in fact I asked him to please discuss several
times.
A pity he tells fruther lies.
We can all wait for his proof of his accusation.
Jan
A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie
was believed…When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the
masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its
speaker, a raving lunatic. -Dresden James
| |
| Rich.@. 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| On 15 Nov 2004 05:04:41 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
>Correction:
>
>Posts *facts*of mercury toxicity, because she had mercury poisoning from
>amalgams.
If the regulars in this group would continue to repost Jan's own words
which contradict her assertion, whenever she asserts that she had
mercury poisoning it would be very helpful with respect to possible
lurkers who might believe her lies *and* would be the best way to
finally break through her denial.
Jan Drew relies on diversion away from her lies about having mercury
poisoning. She is largely successful with her tactics. But there are
enough regulars here who can repost her words and I believe this would
be a good strategy.
Of course Jan Drew is very likely to respond by saying that *I* am a
liar to divert attention from her own lies. The response to her
diversion is to repost her own words. Don't try to argue with her. It
is pointless. Don't get caught up with her attempts at diversion. It
only emboldens her.
Aloha,
Rich
| |
| Joel M. Eichen 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| On 15 Nov 2004 05:04:41 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>Correction:
>
>Posts *facts*of mercury toxicity, because she had mercury poisoning from
>amalgams.
.... and nearly died ... from amalgamitis ......
| |
| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| In article <41983f3c.5011000@news-server.hawaii.rr.com>, Rich.@. wrote:
> On 15 Nov 2004 05:04:41 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
>
> If the regulars in this group would continue to repost Jan's own words
> which contradict her assertion, whenever she asserts that she had
> mercury poisoning it would be very helpful with respect to possible
> lurkers who might believe her lies *and* would be the best way to
> finally break through her denial.
>
> Jan Drew relies on diversion away from her lies about having mercury
> poisoning. She is largely successful with her tactics. But there are
> enough regulars here who can repost her words and I believe this would
> be a good strategy.
>
> Of course Jan Drew is very likely to respond by saying that *I* am a
> liar to divert attention from her own lies. The response to her
> diversion is to repost her own words. Don't try to argue with her. It
> is pointless. Don't get caught up with her attempts at diversion. It
> only emboldens her.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Rich
Hi RIch,
How do you determine that Jan Drew's tactics are largely successful? It
just seems to me that the problem is that of the profession's. Jan
Drew, as far as I know, does not have a dental practice. Whoever
decides to take her "advice" will then need to find a practitioner who
practices according to Jan Drew's ways. Either this sort of practice is
acceptable or it isn't. I think there must be bigger fish in the sea
than JD who should be caught.
If JD is an actual person, I have yet to see any hard evidence to prove
this to be the case.
I know you stand firmly that you have the correct approach to what to do
about Jan... but ... maybe Jan Drew is the diversion ...
TW
| |
| Rich.@. 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:03:41 GMT, The Webby
<nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
>In article <41983f3c.5011000@news-server.hawaii.rr.com>, Rich.@. wrote:
>
>
>Hi RIch,
>
>How do you determine that Jan Drew's tactics are largely successful?
Her tactics are successful to the extent that people allow her to
divert attention away from her lies. This frequently happens when
instead of answering a specific question about her claim that she had
mercury poisoning.
> It
>just seems to me that the problem is that of the profession's. Jan
>Drew, as far as I know, does not have a dental practice.
No, but she never claimed that she did. Jan Drew is asserting that she
had mercury poisoning from amalgams and that removal of amalgams saved
her life. That claim has been debunked but Jan persists on making it.
> Whoever
>decides to take her "advice" will then need to find a practitioner who
>practices according to Jan Drew's ways. Either this sort of practice is
>acceptable or it isn't. I think there must be bigger fish in the sea
>than JD who should be caught.
It is not about catching someone. It is about warning scientifically
naive people that Jan Drew is lying about having mercury poisoning and
that if they have unanswered health problems it would NOT be a good
idea to seek out a dentist who preys upon the somatically
hypervigilant and those who believe these amalgam scare tactics.
>
>If JD is an actual person, I have yet to see any hard evidence to prove
>this to be the case.
I am not sure why you doubt she is an actual person. But I have heard
her voice when she called into an internet radio station several years
ago.
>
>I know you stand firmly that you have the correct approach to what to do
>about Jan... but ... maybe Jan Drew is the diversion ...
The reality is that Jan Drew is a pathologic liar who obsessively
posts lies about having mercury poisoning.
The reality is that since this is an open unmoderated group that
there is nothing that can be done to stop her from posting these lies.
And finally the reality is that if her lies and whacko links go
unconfronted that it is more likely that unsuspecting lurkers will act
on her advice and unnecessarily have their amalgams removed by some
unscrupulous dentist.
I am personally interested in reducing that possibility. I think the
best way to do that is to show how Jan Drew deliberately lied about
her history to falsely convince others that if they have amalgams that
the amalgams may be causing them health problems. And toward that end
I think the best strategy is to repeatedly post the lies that Jan Drew
has told wrt her amalgam history and not allow her to divert attention
away from these lies.
Aloha,
Rich
>
>TW
| |
| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:25 pm |
| In article <4198d869.860343@news-server.hawaii.rr.com>, Rich.@. wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:03:41 GMT, The Webby
> <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Her tactics are successful to the extent that people allow her to
> divert attention away from her lies. This frequently happens when
> instead of answering a specific question about her claim that she had
> mercury poisoning.
>
>
>
> No, but she never claimed that she did. Jan Drew is asserting that she
> had mercury poisoning from amalgams and that removal of amalgams saved
> her life. That claim has been debunked but Jan persists on making it.
>
>
>
> It is not about catching someone. It is about warning scientifically
> naive people that Jan Drew is lying about having mercury poisoning and
> that if they have unanswered health problems it would NOT be a good
> idea to seek out a dentist who preys upon the somatically
> hypervigilant and those who believe these amalgam scare tactics.
>
> I am not sure why you doubt she is an actual person. But I have heard
> her voice when she called into an internet radio station several years
> ago.
>
> The reality is that Jan Drew is a pathologic liar who obsessively
> posts lies about having mercury poisoning.
>
> The reality is that since this is an open unmoderated group that
> there is nothing that can be done to stop her from posting these lies.
>
> And finally the reality is that if her lies and whacko links go
> unconfronted that it is more likely that unsuspecting lurkers will act
> on her advice and unnecessarily have their amalgams removed by some
> unscrupulous dentist.
>
> I am personally interested in reducing that possibility. I think the
> best way to do that is to show how Jan Drew deliberately lied about
> her history to falsely convince others that if they have amalgams that
> the amalgams may be causing them health problems. And toward that end
> I think the best strategy is to repeatedly post the lies that Jan Drew
> has told wrt her amalgam history and not allow her to divert attention
> away from these lies.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Rich
I'm thinking. And there is also a reason why I'm burying my replies
lately (at the bottom). ~TW
| |
| The Webby 2004-11-16, 4:26 pm |
| Yes.......... I see how I'm in your kill-file.
The Webby
In article <20041112205521.06545.00000457@mb-m15.aol.com>,
jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
> It means you haven't lied, if you do, count on me to catch it, correct it and
> prove it, as always.
>
> Like I did yours, that's why you remain in my killfile.
>
> You are a danger to innocent people.
>
> Jan
| |
| Dr Steve 2004-11-16, 4:26 pm |
| I was going to ask "what trap?", but remembered I was trying to get a
response from a software program.
--
~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
.....................................................
This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
| |
| Dr Steve 2004-11-16, 4:26 pm |
| I know this man, and fully confident in his abilities as a dentist and in
his compassion as a human being. And,,,,,,,,,,, he has the cutest little
dog.
--
~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
.....................................................
This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
.......................
"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message[vbcol=seagreen]
| |
| Dr Steve 2004-11-16, 4:26 pm |
| ATTENTION ! ! !
For the sake of any new readers to this newsgroup. Jan is a retired
day care worker (owner according to her) who makes a lot of noise
about amalgam toxicity. She is not a dentist, has no training in dentistry,
and does not really understand scientific methods. In addition, she flat
out
refuses to engage in any discussion about this issue even when the specific
point of discussion
does not contradict her own point of view. She cannot communicate much
beyond
pasting the words of other people to responses, even when the quotes
do not apply to what is being said. She, also, does not give any credit
to the person from which she takes these quotations. Her behavior is
very similar to a software program designed to post specific remarks
to key words. Please be cautious if you choose to follow any advice
presented by her.
Recognize that her views do NOT reflect those of modern dentistry. Her
views mirror those of dishonest people who survive by preying on the
innocent.
If you read exactly what her claims are in regard to amalgam toxicity, you
will find that her claims do not make scientific sense. She claims to have
been healed of neurological defects during the time that her bodily mercury
levels would have been at their highest. If she really had mercury
toxicity,
she should have been more ill during this time, not feeling better than she
had in many years.
Even those individuals who would like to see amalgam banned from use, find
her posting methods and refusal to discuss any topics despicable.
..
--
~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
.....................................................
This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
.......................
"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
[repetitive cut and paste deleted]
| |
| Dr Steve 2004-11-16, 4:26 pm |
| ATTENTION ! ! !
For the sake of any new readers to this newsgroup. Jan is a retired
day care worker (owner according to her) who makes a lot of noise
about amalgam toxicity. She is not a dentist, has no training in dentistry,
and does not really understand scientific methods. In addition, she flat
out
refuses to engage in any discussion about this issue even when the specific
point of discussion
does not contradict her own point of view. She cannot communicate much
beyond
pasting the words of other people to responses, even when the quotes
do not apply to what is being said. She, also, does not give any credit
to the person from which she takes these quotations. Her behavior is
very similar to a software program designed to post specific remarks
to key words. Please be cautious if you choose to follow any advice
presented by her.
Recognize that her views do NOT reflect those of modern dentistry. Her
views mirror those of dishonest people who survive by preying on the
innocent.
If you read exactly what her claims are in regard to amalgam toxicity, you
will find that her claims do not make scientific sense. She claims to have
been healed of neurological defects during the time that her bodily mercury
levels would have been at their highest. If she really had mercury
toxicity,
she should have been more ill during this time, not feeling better than she
had in many years.
Even those individuals who would like to see amalgam banned from use, find
her posting methods and refusal to discuss any topics despicable.
..
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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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Thanks, check is in the mail.
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:11:31 GMT, "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote:
>I know this man, and fully confident in his abilities as a dentist and in
>his compassion as a human being. And,,,,,,,,,,, he has the cutest little
>dog.
>
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>Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
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>"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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| >From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com
>Date: 11/12/2004 1:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <rfaap09sv0gp2i0j0npd488v4nmd4t4pid@4ax.com>
>
>For the sake of any new readers to this newsgroup. Jan is a retired
>day care worker (owner according to her) who makes a lot of noise
>about amalgam toxicity.
Correction:
Posts *facts*of mercury toxicity, because she had mercury poisoning from
amalgams.
>However, she flat out refuses to engage in any discussion about this issue
The is a lie as proven many times.
Dr Steve got caught in his own tap of lies and is now acting like a brat.
Because of his pride he keeps telling bigger and bigger lies. Everything has
been tried to run me off, everything has failed.
Proof here.
http://tinyurl.com/46jef
>Recognize that her views do Not reflect those of modern dentistry.
They are not my views, and Dr Steve knows it. By modern dentistry, he means the
lies told by *organized dentistry*
>Her views minor those of dishonest people who survive by preying on the
>innocent.
That also is a lie and the dishonest people here are ALL of the dentists except
Dr Steve Bornfeld.
This is my message and those who I have helped, and will continue until the day
I die. Even one dentists here says it is a shame I didn't, so that's an example
of the dentists here, with the exception of Dr. Stecve Bornfeld who is the only
gentleman dentists here.
*IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH!
NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS the dangers of metal
in the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol.
I did, it saved my life.
Mercury is Poisonous.
There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue.
The mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the
other sources together.
U151 identifies mercury as a toxic waste.
Mercury is also recovered from discarded products and wastes such as
chlor-alkali wastes, dental amalgams, fluorescent light tubes, electronic
devices, and others. The mercury is vaporized in a retort and collected by
condensation. Condensed mercury is then distilled to remove impurities.
***The Environmental Protection Agency is working to reduce the amount of
mercury
in the environment *****
http://www.ehs.ucsf.edu/Manuals/CSM/Csm_Chapter9.htm
17. DENTAL AMALGAM
Dental amalgams are mixtures of mercury with silver tin alloy. Cal-EPA
regulates them as ***chemical waste.*** Submit Chemical Waste Removal Form for
its disposal.
Jan
>Subject: Thanks to Jan,,,,
>From: "Rod" deniecerod@hotmail.com
>Date: 7/31/02 7:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <00S19.49685$Hj3.148558@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>
>
>Hi to all,
>
>I wish to express gratitude to Jan for making me aware of Dental issues.
>I suffer from Rheumatoid Arthritis and have done so since 1994. Having this
>degenerative disease has forced changes on my lifestyle to a great extent
>since not being able to tolerate the medications that are often prescribed,
>My Doctor and Rheumatologist recommended that I find alternatives to
>medications which is why I frequent this Ng as well as others.
>Well I am happy to report that since early 1999 have I have not had to
>endure the agony of the previous five years and continue to make
>improvement. One of the major improvements was the taking of CMO (Cetyl
>Myristoleate)
>I found that this "Alternative" returned my knees to normal and allowed me
>to continue working.
>The matter of Dental Health was also addressed during the past year and I,
>with consent of my Dentist, changed over a three month period. the majority
>of my fillings to what is called "Composites"
>
>I am happy to report that since that change that my feet and hands have
>improved noticeably and that I suffer less with the morning stiffness so
>often associated with Rheumatoid Arthritis.
>I still maintain mercury fillings however they have been reduced by over 50%
>WITH THE DENTAL CHANGES.
>Strangely other people that I correspond with have also noted an improvement
>in their well being since changing their amalgams to composites.
>
>So a sincere "Thank you Jan" for making me look at the issues regarding
>Dental Health. Believe me I have implemented these things "Aussie" Style
>and have enjoyed the benefit despite the "she'll be right" attitude of my
>Dentist. (Amalgam flying everywhere)
>
>Deniece and I are to shortly visit Canada and the US during the next eight
>weeks and I am most thankful of being able to make this trip, due to
>improved health.
>
>Incidentally I won the trip in a competition and it included the Canadian
>Rockies tour as well as the Alaskan cruise. Wow! so we extend it all to
>include Hawaii , North West USA and Hong Kong.
>
>So good things still happen which makes it all so much worthwhile.
>
>Many thanks Jan,
>
>Sincerely, Rod
>============================
>
>Jan - don't let them get you down. You never know how many people you
>reach who don't say anything.
>You are so right - amalgams and root canals. The cancer of
>dentistry. Keep up the good work. My
>compliments to you on your even tempered and thorough response. Some
>people just don't want to
>learn because they know they will have to radically change their dental
>practice if they are convinced
>of the error of their ways. And some people like bbb just scream about
>anything. They will never learn.
>But others will - and you are reaching them.
>
>Good Work!
>=============================
>
>I have read a lot of your postings with great interest. From other sources
>on
>the internet that I read, what you say is correct. I am 58 years and have
>had
>4 root canals and about 6 crowns done on my teeth. Now, one of the root
>canal/crowns is flaring up with an infection at the tip of the root. First
>time in my life, something like this has happened.
>
>At my age, my teeth have started cracking. In light of what has been
>researched and written, I see no reason to continue on with modern dentistry.
>
>I will get the tooth pulled. The idea is to not have any more root canals or
>crowns. Just start pulling and in the years ahead, get false teeth. When I
>run out of enough natural teeth.
>
>You were very brave to do your postings on the internet. I commend you for
>them.
>
>===========================
>Subject: Kudos to Jan Drew
>From: "Lance Mannion" lancemannion@nospam.net
>Date: 11/12/02 9:57 AM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <7F8A9.27789$y45.97195204@news.primus.ca>
>
>Long time lurker, first time poster.
>
>I have watched with amusement the idiocy of the dentists here on
>this NG, especially Joel, who attack Jan, and ignore her postings.
>The power of "groupthink" is quite amazing when viewing it from
>the outside as an unbiased observer.
>
>It is particularly amusing how powerful bias can be, when a group
>cannot recognize that something that is hazardous waste by the
>EPA's definition, is ok in the mouth. This should at least open
>one's mind to the *possibility* that amalgams are hazardous in
>*some* (not all) people. But noooooooo, the supposedly educated
>dental professionals here are all-knowing.
>
>I am a well educated, reasonable person, with a background in
>statistics. I had my amalgams out, and yes, it did cure several
>lifelong, chronic health conditions. It was *not* easy, and in
>fact, is probably a risky procedure, since you do expose yourself
>to lots of Hg upon removal. The detox has taken a long time, and
>has been extremely unpleasant.
>
>Re: Rich's postings - it is possible that some of Jan's improvement
>was due to placebo. Heck, I felt better immediately after my amalgam
>removal. That quickly changed as the Hg flooded into my body. Even
>if Jan had some improvement due to placebo, that doesn't preclude
>her from having Hg poisoning.
>
>Re: Joel - this guy is an idiot. His posts do nothing for the credibility
>of the "pro amalgam" side. I don't think he could handle a real debate.
>All he does is post stupid articles and one-liners - what a dolt !
>
>So Jan, keep up the good work, fight the good fight. Time will prove
>us correct. Don't give up. It's tough, and usually lonely, being on the
>cutting edge, and going against the conventional wisdom
>
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>
>P.S. And of course Kudos to Jan Drew. She did more service to
>============================
>Hi Jan
>
>Ive been reading some of your posts on alternative med support and now the
>dental site. I'll spare you my long story but ive had horrendous bilateral
>leg
>neuropathy from what I believe is Hg poisoning. Have had amalgams removed
>and
>done DMPS chelation with much improvement. Still have a ways to go but im
>getting there. Keep up the fight!
>
>And I have received a few others, and was asked not to post them as the
>poster
>didn't wish to be harassed by the dentists here.
>
>This one I received recently.
>
>
>
>The people on the NG seem very hostile. Chances are my dentist is dead, so
>I can't sue him, even if I wanted to. I have been suffering from something
>that the doctors can't explain. I had this filling put in 30 years
>ago. It seems to be corroding. Anyway, I've had this problem for 9
>years. I stumbled across a site that seemed to mimic exactly what my
>symptoms are. Can you tell me what your symptoms were. I feel like I'm
>dying but the doctors can't find out what's going on. Thanks for the web
>site address. Couldn't get on. I'll try later.
> thanx 4
>
> help
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| >Subject: Re: Exposing the many lies told here
>From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com
>Date: 11/14/2004 3:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <nrofp01jupogqs3jpa83v4ugjeheg26fcl@4ax.com>
>
>
>
>He has been to my house & I consider it a privilege to be with him or
>any of his family.
Perhaps, you wish to overlook his despicable posts, made here.
No wonder you think he is nice.
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| The Webby 2004-11-20, 11:23 am |
| If you have not been called a liar by "Jan Drew", what exactly does that
make you? Hmmmmm.
TW
In article <20041112194308.06545.00000448@mb-m15.aol.com>,
jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
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| >Subject: Re: Exposing the many lies told here
>From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net
>Date: 11/12/2004 5:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <lbvap01rdakq3t6h7ej662gr9gvou9opqt@4ax.com>
>
>On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:10:34 GMT, Adenosine <adeno@nospam4u.org>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>You haven't punched the right buttons yet.
W_B's right buttons, include talking about the Salt Lake City Landfill, and
stating it's a damn shame I didn't die.
His lies have been posted and proven.
Dr Steve calls him a very nice guy.
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| StovePipe 2004-11-20, 11:23 am |
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<deep breath>
<crack knuckles>
<clear throat>
<Push up sleeves>
<ahem... remmmnhumm...>
The Far Side: Some Obscure Chess Moves;
Queen's Pawn to Albuquerque, New Mexico...
Your move, SWNMNBM
...
.... ;-)
SP
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