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| Jake Blues 2005-09-23, 6:53 pm |
| What is a vaporizer, and how is it different than a waterpipe/bong?
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| I believe it was "Jake Blues" <5htp@bellsouth.net>
who thought we would be interested in the following:
-> What is a vaporizer, and how is it different than a waterpipe/bong?
Instead of burning all the weed a vaporizor heats it just hot
enough for the psychoactive compounds vaporize but not hot
enough for the plant materal to burn.
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| Jake Blues 2005-09-23, 6:53 pm |
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"SATAN" <satan@NOSPAM-altdrugspot.cjb.net> wrote in message
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> I believe it was "Jake Blues" <5htp@bellsouth.net>
> who thought we would be interested in the following:
>
> -> What is a vaporizer, and how is it different than a
waterpipe/bong?
>
> Instead of burning all the weed a vaporizor heats it just hot
> enough for the psychoactive compounds vaporize but not hot
> enough for the plant materal to burn.
Sorry could you elaborate on that a bit? Or give me a link to
somewhere that does?
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| I believe it was "Jake Blues" <5htp@bellsouth.net>
who thought we would be interested in the following:
-> > -> What is a vaporizer, and how is it different than a
-> waterpipe/bong?
-> >
-> > Instead of burning all the weed a vaporizor heats it just hot
-> > enough for the psychoactive compounds vaporize but not hot
-> > enough for the plant materal to burn.
->
-> Sorry could you elaborate on that a bit? Or give me a link to
-> somewhere that does?
Try Google for a link but to put it more simply: The THC burns
at a lower temperature than the plant materal itself.
The vaporizor heats the weed just hot enough to burn (vaporize)
the THC leaving everything else (more or less) intact.
--
, ,
/ |\___/| \ you are a net.god! -BaZerk
/| / \ |\
/' | |, /\__/| | `\ Who the XXXX are you? Just
/' \ ||\ <o><o> / `\ another usenet XXXXXXX is
/' \ |(_ > ) / `\ what. -Harry
/C \ \ /---- / C\
OC | `\ | -\/ /' | CO ok who thinks satan
OC / | __\_/ ',/__ | \ CO may be an artifical
Oo | \/' ` ' ' `\/ | oO intellegence? -dozr
OC | | : | | CO
oOC /~~~\_ | ;,__,',__,; | _/~~~\ COo Jessus your stipid
oOC | \\ '\ _|_ /` // | COo -Kaazmann
oOC | ~\ | _|_ | /~ | COo
oOC \ , \ \_______/ / , / COo Hehehe. You're so
OC `\ \ \ \_____/ / / /' CO cute. -LiZzY
O `\ \, \ \ / / ,/ /' O
O /~~\\ \\_\ |___| /_// /~~\ O I like Satan's big
\ | `\, \ | | | | / ,/ | / sig. it's like an old
\ | / / ''' ``` \ \ | / friend! -Ian
\| / / \ | |/
`\ VVV~ _ ~VVV /' I just think your a bit
________ _| |_ __ _ _ __ of a wanker, for having
/ ____/ _` | _|/ _` | `_ \ such a big sig -Arclight
__\__ \/ (_| | |_/ (_| | | | |
\_____/\___,_|\__\___,_|_| |_| Someone want to explain to
AT ALTDRUGSPOT DOT CJB DOT NET me why he's considered a
http://satan.altdrugspot.cjb.net hero in this group?..what
================================ did SATAN do to achieve
ADP FAQ: http://adpfaq.cjb.net this kind of status?
================================ -Lawrence 'Link' Lanahan
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| x1134x 2005-09-23, 6:54 pm |
| THC vaporizes (another word for vaporize is boils) @ 392 degrees, this
is below the flashpoint (when something gets hot enought to catch on
fire) of the plant material. Most "vaporizers" are hot-plates or
soldering irons that heat the material inside of a chamber where the
vaporized THC is contained, then it is inhaled through a tube.
vaporizers can also be made out of your standard "bong" (waterpipe).
The stem part is usually much bigger to accomodate the cone end of an
industrial heat gun. (reducers can also be obtained for the heat guns
that fit smaller stems) Industrial heat guns are used for thawing
pipes, removing paint etc, and are usually adjustable. Using a candy
thermometer you can set the heat coming out of the gun to 392 degrees F
or 200 C and you are ready to go. This is IMO the cheapest AND BEST
method of vaporization, because its more what poeple are used/addicted
to: using a bong. You may want to put a screen on TOP of the load, to
keep the gun from blowing it out of the stem when you start. You will
inhale an almost transparent, whitish vapor which is much less harsh
that lighting the material on fire. Also when you light it on fire, at
these temperatures (1000+ degrees) the THC is annihilated and is no
longer thc. With a vaporizer you get 100 percent of the thc if you
grind your stuff down. The taste is usually compared to smoking hash
which makes sense since hash is ultra concentrated THC. THe high is
much "brighter" in your head, and your body does not seem to tire or
become as lethargic or "stoned". It is also way better for your lungs.
A bong that is smoked out of will soon collect resins and look nasty,
so will your lungs. A bong that is used as a vaporizer remains as
cleanas the day you bought it, other than the pure thc that
re-crytalizes in the stem from cooling. THis can be scraped out and
re-vaporized. Which brings up a point: if you're going to use your
existing bong, CLEAN IT first. The cheapest, most effective way to
clean your piece as clean as it was the day you bought it is rubbing
alcohol and salt. THe resin dissolves in the alchohol and the sand
acts as an abraisive because it does not dissolve in alcohol. A few
q-tips and rubbing alcohol can also clean your stem brand new too.
Another advantage of the heatgun/waterpipe combination is that you can
load a hit, and get it almost instanly, the guns heat up to 392 very
quickly. Other vaporizers you have to wait around a while for them to
fill up. I would recommend getting one that is FULLY variable
temperature wise (not just a low, high, med setting, because you want
to dial it in with a candy thermometer to as close to 392 as you can
get.) Also one with an adjustable fan is helpfull because some of them
blow too hard if they aren't adjustable, then you have to plug them
into a dimmer switch, set the speed using the dimmer, then reset the
temperature @ that speed.
Sears makes probably the best gun, but their reducer goes down to the
size of a pencil, so you have to dremmel it to the size of your stem.
any other questions?
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| davon96720 2005-09-23, 6:54 pm |
| OK, all these replies are a bit weak other than mearly stating that it
vaporizes the desired product.
Vaporizer do just that, vaporize the desired volitiles; but what everyone
left out is the benefits of this methods vs. burning.
Vaporizers release and activate the product and without buring, there are no
products of combustion. Now, does that mean. Well, pyrolysis, burning any
chemical, all things are of course, takes 1 by itself or in combination,
creates the products of combustion, one thing can become 10s of thousands of
chemical a real soup of unknowns. Vaporizing avoids this and you don't
inhale all the harmful crap that burning something produces.
You won't get all the desired substances to volitize though, so a
substansial amount goes to waste, unless one would extract it one way or
another as oil, probably be off taste unless it's isomerized and that's
pretty bland. So, it does cost more to consume; however, the heatlt
benefits are substantial as you are avoiding "smoke soup".
That's the gist, you inhale the good stuff and not the nasties done with
smoking a substance.
aloha
davon96720
"Jake Blues" <5htp@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:v3FVe.4580$XZ1.1899@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> What is a vaporizer, and how is it different than a waterpipe/bong?
>
> --
>
>
> The song of the Sirens is irresistible. Those who hear it and have not
> been tied
> to the mast like Odysseus will perish among the rocks (c.f. - The
> Odyssey).
>
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| Michael 2005-09-23, 6:54 pm |
| davon96720 wrote:
> OK, all these replies are a bit weak other than mearly stating that it
> vaporizes the desired product.
>
> Vaporizer do just that, vaporize the desired volitiles;
.... although there are probably a few volatiles involved that would be
better left behind.
> but what
> everyone left out is the benefits of this methods vs. burning.
Bingo.
> Vaporizers release and activate the product and without buring, there
> are no products of combustion. Now, does that mean. Well,
> pyrolysis, burning any chemical, all things are of course, takes 1 by
> itself or in combination, creates the products of combustion, one
> thing can become 10s of thousands of chemical a real soup of
> unknowns. Vaporizing avoids this and you don't inhale all the
> harmful crap that burning something produces.
.... most of the aforementioned "harmful crap" being the combustion products
of the proteins and complex carbohydrates that make up the cell-structures
of the plant. Few (if any) of them do the smoker any good at all, and some
are quite toxic. Carbon monoxide is abundant in plant smoke, it's
especially toxic, and its effects begin almost instantly.
> You won't get all the desired substances to volitize though, so a
> substansial amount goes to waste, unless one would extract it one way
> or another as oil,
A friend of mine drips honey oil on ashes and puts *that* in his vaporizer.
Practically no waste that way, but the taste could sure be improved upon.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> probably be off taste unless it's isomerized and
> that's pretty bland. So, it does cost more to consume; however, the
> heatlt benefits are substantial as you are avoiding "smoke soup".
>
> That's the gist, you inhale the good stuff and not the nasties done
> with smoking a substance.
>
> aloha
> davon96720
> "Jake Blues" <5htp@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:v3FVe.4580$XZ1.1899@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
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| Jake Blues 2005-09-23, 6:54 pm |
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"x1134x" <x1134x@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1126677997.869222.150770@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> THC vaporizes (another word for vaporize is boils) @ 392 degrees,
this
> is below the flashpoint (when something gets hot enought to catch on
> fire) of the plant material. Most "vaporizers" are hot-plates or
> soldering irons that heat the material inside of a chamber where the
> vaporized THC is contained, then it is inhaled through a tube.
> vaporizers can also be made out of your standard "bong" (waterpipe).
> The stem part is usually much bigger to accomodate the cone end of
an
> industrial heat gun. (reducers can also be obtained for the heat
guns
> that fit smaller stems) Industrial heat guns are used for thawing
> pipes, removing paint etc, and are usually adjustable. Using a
candy
> thermometer you can set the heat coming out of the gun to 392
degrees F
> or 200 C and you are ready to go. This is IMO the cheapest AND BEST
> method of vaporization, because its more what poeple are
used/addicted
> to: using a bong. You may want to put a screen on TOP of the load,
to
> keep the gun from blowing it out of the stem when you start. You
will
> inhale an almost transparent, whitish vapor which is much less harsh
> that lighting the material on fire. Also when you light it on fire,
at
> these temperatures (1000+ degrees) the THC is annihilated and is no
> longer thc. With a vaporizer you get 100 percent of the thc if you
> grind your stuff down. The taste is usually compared to smoking
hash
> which makes sense since hash is ultra concentrated THC. THe high is
> much "brighter" in your head, and your body does not seem to tire or
> become as lethargic or "stoned". It is also way better for your
lungs.
> A bong that is smoked out of will soon collect resins and look
nasty,
> so will your lungs. A bong that is used as a vaporizer remains as
> cleanas the day you bought it, other than the pure thc that
> re-crytalizes in the stem from cooling. THis can be scraped out and
> re-vaporized. Which brings up a point: if you're going to use your
> existing bong, CLEAN IT first. The cheapest, most effective way to
> clean your piece as clean as it was the day you bought it is rubbing
> alcohol and salt. THe resin dissolves in the alchohol and the sand
> acts as an abraisive because it does not dissolve in alcohol. A few
> q-tips and rubbing alcohol can also clean your stem brand new too.
> Another advantage of the heatgun/waterpipe combination is that you
can
> load a hit, and get it almost instanly, the guns heat up to 392 very
> quickly. Other vaporizers you have to wait around a while for them
to
> fill up. I would recommend getting one that is FULLY variable
> temperature wise (not just a low, high, med setting, because you
want
> to dial it in with a candy thermometer to as close to 392 as you can
> get.) Also one with an adjustable fan is helpfull because some of
them
> blow too hard if they aren't adjustable, then you have to plug them
> into a dimmer switch, set the speed using the dimmer, then reset the
> temperature @ that speed.
>
> Sears makes probably the best gun, but their reducer goes down to
the
> size of a pencil, so you have to dremmel it to the size of your
stem.
> any other questions?
>
Yeah. Your description was very helpful. But surely there are
self-contained and fully functional vaporizers out there?
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| x1134x 2005-09-23, 6:54 pm |
| > A friend of mine drips honey oil on ashes and puts *that* in his vaporizer.
> Practically no waste that way, but the taste could sure be improved upon.
you can get a "crack pipe" that is bent to be affixed to your bong
stem. then you can put the honey oil in it, then just heat the bottom
of the glass with a heat gun. You may want to crank the heat up a
LITTLE.
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| x1134x 2005-09-23, 6:54 pm |
| I guess by saying it vaporizes only the THC and does not cumbust the
plant, I figured the benefits would be obvious.
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| Jay Kaner 2005-09-23, 6:54 pm |
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"x1134x" <x1134x@hotmail.com> wrote
>I guess by saying it vaporizes only the THC and does not cumbust the
> plant, I figured the benefits would be obvious.
But...and I ask this having never tried a vaporizer before...What does it
taste like?
Half the enjoyment I get from having a smoke is the gorgeous taste you get
from a big fat dooby full of nice weed.
How does a vape compare to that?
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| Shaun aRe 2005-09-23, 6:54 pm |
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"Jay Kaner" <skinup@will.com> wrote in message
news:YPbWe.20017$Aa1.7127@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
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> "x1134x" <x1134x@hotmail.com> wrote
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> But...and I ask this having never tried a vaporizer before...What does it
> taste like?
>
> Half the enjoyment I get from having a smoke is the gorgeous taste you get
> from a big fat dooby full of nice weed.
>
> How does a vape compare to that?
Depends on the weed - good tasting weed tastes bloody great mate! Doesn't
taste smokey at all to me, just very spicy and aromatic... hmmmmm... !
',;~}~
Shaun aRe
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| x1134x 2005-09-23, 6:54 pm |
| Did you read my post? Were you smoking at the time and your short term
memory is gone?
I said:
>The taste is usually compared to smoking hash
>which makes sense since hash is ultra concentrated THC
It is definately different tasting than smoking it. if you vaporize
too much, it lets you know, because it starts to taste like popcorn.
Or at least that's how i'd describe it after you've already vaped off
all the good stuff.
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| x1134x 2005-09-23, 6:54 pm |
| And BTW a bong hit tastes much better than smoking PAPER! YUCK!
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| Jay Kaner 2005-09-23, 6:55 pm |
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"x1134x" <x1134x@hotmail.com> wrote
> Did you read my post? Were you smoking at the time and your short term
> memory is gone?
> I said:
Do you always come across as a tempermental git, or is it just in that
particular post?
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| Jay Kaner 2005-09-23, 6:55 pm |
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"Shaun aRe" <shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk> wrote
> "Jay Kaner" <skinup@will.com> wrote
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> Depends on the weed - good tasting weed tastes bloody great mate! Doesn't
> taste smokey at all to me, just very spicy and aromatic... hmmmmm... !
I'm tempted for the healthy lungs side of it but am put off by the thought
that it could be the weed equivalent of smoking silk cut. Sorta thing...
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| x1134x 2005-09-23, 6:56 pm |
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Jay Kaner wrote:
> "x1134x" <x1134x@hotmail.com> wrote
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> Do you always come across as a tempermental git, or is it just in that
> particular post?
Just that one, Wondering why you missed me already answering your
question in my previous post. (and because STEREOTYPICALLY smoking
makes you lose your short term memory)
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| Jay Kaner 2005-09-25, 10:23 am |
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"x1134x" <x1134x@hotmail.com> wrote
> Jay Kaner wrote:
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> Just that one,
Cool. Sadly, the chances that *I* won't do it again, are pretty slim
> Wondering why you missed me already answering your
> question in my previous post.
Ok. So there i was, reading your post in ADP.
A bit stoned...and possibly not giving it as much attention
as i probably should've, and.......well...there y' go. That's it.
> (and because STEREOTYPICALLY smoking
> makes you lose your short term memory)
There was another reason i posted the post, but i'm XXXXed if i can be arsed
to remember what it was.
It was, I seem to recall, a very good reason tho'.
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