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| Ginny Remeika 2006-07-10, 9:21 pm |
| Anxiety: Recently I've found three supplements that really help, alone
or in combination depending on your situation. I do find Valerian to be
sedating but not as anti-anxiety as these.
Phosphatidylserine is an extract from soy. It suppresses ACTH and
cortisol spikes. It can be slightly sedating, but I took it at night
(my cortisol spikes at night and I wake up at 3 am with extreme anxiety).
Thiamine (vitamin B1), taken 500 mg three times per day, helps with
general anxiety, and is not sedating. It can also be used "as needed",
but is not as strongly effective as the above and below supplements, in
my experience. It does help, though, and there are no adverse effects
I've found in much research from these high doses. I have to special
order the 500 mg tablets through my health food store, but it's not
expensive.
The herb extract Magnolia officinalis. This has been extremely helpful
for me, and actually would be my first recommendation if it was more
available. I did find it at my health food store under the trade name
"Relora" (available from several manufacturers, produced by Next
Pharmaceuticals) which includes Phellodendron. Magnolia is an old
Chinese herb and again I could find no adverse effects nor side effects
indicated anywhere (it is not sedating). The usual does is 300 mg three
times per day. It is often sold as an "appetite control" supplement for
those who tend to overeat when anxious; I can't vouch for that benefit.
It can also be taken as needed when severe anxiety strikes (in a higher
dose of 1000 mg all at once) and I have found this to work very well,
although I've only tried it twice.
Massage:
I too find massage to be extra tiring. I do not have pain/fibromyalgia,
but sometimes I feel much worse fatigue after a massage, especially if
I'm in a crash. My next-door neighbor and good friend is my (very
experienced) massage therapist, and she has worked to find ways around
this, but in the end she says that massage is really much better at
relaxing than energizing. However, she is also a yoga instructor and
gave me some energizing yoga postures (chest-openers) that did seem to
help counteract the fatigue from the massage. Now when I'm in a crash I
just cancel any massage and wait until I'm better. In general I think
it helps, if only psychologically. And it definitely helps my
headaches, depression and anxiety.
Sun:
I feel much worse fatigue-wise when the temperature goes over 75
(luckily I live in Maine). Even sitting in front of a sunny window can
make me feel suddenly weak and sick-all-over, exhausted. But in my case
I think it's the temperature rather than the sun exposure per se, as the
sun doesn't bother me in the cooler weather.
Neurontin:
I took Neurontin for years for nocturnal anxiety. It did help and has
few side effects for most people. However, it can be sedating and I
felt better energy-wise when I was able to go off it. For a while,
though, it was a life-saver. I took it all at night. I now think that
the above supplements work as well or better, though, and with less
sedation. Of course Neurontin is also prescribed for many other things,
including pain, and I have no experience with its effect on that.
SSRIs:
I took three months to reduce Lexapro from 20 mg (highest usually
prescribed) to 10 mg. Reducing it was great - my night time anxiety
went away almost entirely and I feel much better, less fatigued, during
the day. I had to stop reducing at 10 mg as I was starting to get
depressed again (which for me is worse than any side effect), but
otherwise I had no withdrawal problems from it. I did reduce it very,
very slowly - mine were tabs so I used a razor blade to shave tiny bits off.
Arginine:
Finally I just have to agree with Bobbie on taking UWP (Undenatured Whey
Protein) as a balanced source for amino acids. I have tried separate
and various combinations of amino acids, including arginine, but none
have helped me as much as UWP. After taking it for a year (and I don't
take it as you're supposed to, with plain water on empty stomach) I have
gradually felt much better (after being sick for 12 years), and I
attribute most of the improvement to UWP. I don't know if in my case it
was the extra amino acids or the extra protein (I was a vegetarian) but
it has definitely helped.
Sorry to go on. Just wanted to share my experience with these things,
in case some little thing might help someone else.
Cheers,
Ginny
Maine usa
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| Vickijo0403@AOL.COM 2006-07-10, 9:21 pm |
| How do you take the UWP??? Do you use it in a fruit smoothie???
just curious. thanks, vicki jo
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| Hi Ginny,
Thanks for all your input. It's nice reading what has helped
others..and nice hearing that I am not the only one that has
trouble with the heat. I also feel my best below 75 degrees. I
know others say that too. Yet the sun (which I used to love!)
has become my enemy unless it is cooler..then I do okay. So I
think you're right..it must be the higher temperatures that make
me feel so sick.
Thanks again..for sharing. We've brought out alot of ideas on
what helps and doesn't help others..which is always a good thing.
I agree with Rebecca (yellerdog), it's very helpful reading what
helps others here.
Shea
Southern California..
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:16:21 -0400
From: Ginny Remeika <remeika@MEGALINK.NET>
Subject: MED: anxiety, massage, sun, Neurontin, ssri's, arginine
Anxiety: Recently I've found three supplements that really help, alone
or in combination depending on your situation. I do find Valerian to be
sedating but not as anti-anxiety as these.
Phosphatidylserine is an extract from soy. It suppresses ACTH and
cortisol spikes. It can be slightly sedating, but I took it at night
(my cortisol spikes at night and I wake up at 3 am with extreme anxiety).
Thiamine (vitamin B1), taken 500 mg three times per day, helps with
general anxiety, and is not sedating. It can also be used "as needed",
but is not as strongly effective as the above and below supplements, in
my experience. It does help, though, and there are no adverse effects
I've found in much research from these high doses. I have to special
order the 500 mg tablets through my health food store, but it's not
expensive.
The herb extract Magnolia officinalis. This has been extremely helpful
for me, and actually would be my first recommendation if it was more
available. I did find it at my health food store under the trade name
"Relora" (available from several manufacturers, produced by Next
Pharmaceuticals) which includes Phellodendron. Magnolia is an old
Chinese herb and again I could find no adverse effects nor side effects
indicated anywhere (it is not sedating). The usual does is 300 mg three
times per day. It is often sold as an "appetite control" supplement for
those who tend to overeat when anxious; I can't vouch for that benefit.
It can also be taken as needed when severe anxiety strikes (in a higher
dose of 1000 mg all at once) and I have found this to work very well,
although I've only tried it twice.
Massage:
I too find massage to be extra tiring. I do not have pain/fibromyalgia,
but sometimes I feel much worse fatigue after a massage, especially if
I'm in a crash. My next-door neighbor and good friend is my (very
experienced) massage therapist, and she has worked to find ways around
this, but in the end she says that massage is really much better at
relaxing than energizing. However, she is also a yoga instructor and
gave me some energizing yoga postures (chest-openers) that did seem to
help counteract the fatigue from the massage. Now when I'm in a crash I
just cancel any massage and wait until I'm better. In general I think
it helps, if only psychologically. And it definitely helps my
headaches, depression and anxiety.
Sun:
I feel much worse fatigue-wise when the temperature goes over 75
(luckily I live in Maine). Even sitting in front of a sunny window can
make me feel suddenly weak and sick-all-over, exhausted. But in my case
I think it's the temperature rather than the sun exposure per se, as the
sun doesn't bother me in the cooler weather.
Neurontin:
I took Neurontin for years for nocturnal anxiety. It did help and has
few side effects for most people. However, it can be sedating and I
felt better energy-wise when I was able to go off it. For a while,
though, it was a life-saver. I took it all at night. I now think that
the above supplements work as well or better, though, and with less
sedation. Of course Neurontin is also prescribed for many other things,
including pain, and I have no experience with its effect on that.
SSRIs:
I took three months to reduce Lexapro from 20 mg (highest usually
prescribed) to 10 mg. Reducing it was great - my night time anxiety
went away almost entirely and I feel much better, less fatigued, during
the day. I had to stop reducing at 10 mg as I was starting to get
depressed again (which for me is worse than any side effect), but
otherwise I had no withdrawal problems from it. I did reduce it very,
very slowly - mine were tabs so I used a razor blade to shave tiny bits off.
Arginine:
Finally I just have to agree with Bobbie on taking UWP (Undenatured Whey
Protein) as a balanced source for amino acids. I have tried separate
and various combinations of amino acids, including arginine, but none
have helped me as much as UWP. After taking it for a year (and I don't
take it as you're supposed to, with plain water on empty stomach) I have
gradually felt much better (after being sick for 12 years), and I
attribute most of the improvement to UWP. I don't know if in my case it
was the extra amino acids or the extra protein (I was a vegetarian) but
it has definitely helped.
Sorry to go on. Just wanted to share my experience with these things,
in case some little thing might help someone else.
Cheers,
Ginny
Maine usa
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