| Wendi Carrillo 2005-11-13, 5:44 pm |
| Glad you are feeling better, Rika!
Thanks for this article. This is interesting information. I, by years and years of self-research, have been taking selenium, although not in high doses. I currently take a liver cleanse formula that has selenium as "selenomax"; this is probably their supe
r formulation of selenium. I wish it was a wonder vitamin, but I think it has just kept me from becoming more sick. I have taken it, along with C, E, Fe, CoQ10(only when on sale), B12, and other herbs. I fear this illness is forever.  I try and try on m
y own to see what would get me back to normalcy, but I haven't found anything that reverses this. I even used to see a homeopathic lady in the early 90's, but nothing..
Perhaps if habitation on another planet ever comes to pass, than we'd be released from these chains!
Rika Kageyama <rkageyama@dol.hi-ho.ne.jp> wrote:
My cold seems to be better (with a little elevated
fever but, symptoms were gone! ) Still behind to
catch up but, am trying.
Hi Bobbie,
Thank you !
As a Japanese, let me add one concerning.
> RK> Regarding "Omega 3" (works for blood flow and as anti-
> RK> inflammatory), I read (in Vitamin Bible) "flux seed oil
> RK> contains Omega 3 as well as cod liver oil, but cod liver
> RK> oil works more effective in our body".
> RK> I considered cod liver oil for myself but, I am Japanese
> RK> and I considered about mercury toxic level in cod.
> RK> After all, and I chose flux seed oil for the Omega 3...
>
> Well it depends on where the fish are caught and deep
> cold water fish should be much less polluted with mercury.
I understand your desperate feeling for "cod oil" very well.
I started to have the same feeling for beta carotene (I have
no clear reasons. Probably, I am guessing because of my
steroid which must generate huge amounts of free-radical)
and, I finally decided to take the nutrition from the supplements
of Broccoli and cruciferous vegetables.
I have done my best to eat the fresh veggies but, all of the
vegetables and fruit, generally, that we buy in Tokyo have
too poor nutrition (poor soil and picked up earlier for the
market. We could buy rich-nutritious veggies/fruits but
they are expensive).
This is only my second day of adding the above supplement
but, I started wonder if taking it "between meals" (with banana
for example) works better than taking this with other supplements.
This is Beta Carotene and it is sure tat this is strong antioxidant.
(I take lots of beta carotene as long as I have still multi vitamin
bottles left. I hope my understanding is "ok": Beta Carotene
does not have toxic when we take high dose).
> Well it depends on where the fish are caught and deep
> cold water fish should be much less polluted with mercury.
Talking about mercury toxic level, I mentioned before.
Our government told us "depending on the size of the fish".
(Just they told me "Think about food-chain. The bigger the
fish are, the more they have mercury.)
This is official warning of our government warning
(for pregnant, means for infant). So, I concerned.
I do know the timing of our government.
(They are usually "late").
Two days ago, I happened to read the printed out and
saved article from Co-Cure. I was in a chaotic condition
and I did not read one immediately.
That was from Rich Van Konynenburg and following
caught my attention.
.......
"Recently I learned of the work of Prof. Harold D. Foster of the University
of Victoria in Canada (http://www.hdfoster.com). Among other things, Prof.
Foster has advanced a recommendation for the treatment of AIDS that is based
on supplementing selenium and three of the amino acids (tryptophan, cysteine
and glutamine). The basis for this treatment is his theory that the HIV
virus produces full-blown AIDS by depleting the body of these nutrients. In
his view, the virus does this by expressing the enzyme glutathione
peroxidase, which is encoded in its genome. This enzyme requires these
nutrients for its synthesis. I think this is a very promising approach to
the treatment of AIDS, as his initial testing has shown (Journal of
Orthomolecular Medicine 20(2), pp. 67-69 (2005))".
.......
"This is not to say that selenium deficiencies are not also present in PWCs
in North America. In fact, it is known that mercury forms stable complexes
with selenium in the body, taking it out of bioavailability. When
glutathione depletion occurs, as it does in many PWCs, the body is not able
to rid itself of mercury with normal efficiency. PWCs who are exposed to
mercury from dental fillings, fish consumption, or nearby environmental
sources such as coal-fired power plants, therefore experience a buildup of
mercury in their bodies, and this can deplete the bioavailable selenium,
impacting not only the activity of the glutathione peroxidase enzymes, but
also those that convert the thyroid hormone T4 to the more active hormone
T3, as well as the other selenoenzymes."
By reading the entire article, my concerning became deeper
so, I found the original post and I got the permission from
Co-Cure to repost the article here.
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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:22:15 -0400
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Subject: MED: Coxsackie B3, selenium and chronic fatigue syndrome
[Resent for proper distribution.]
From Rich Van Konynenburg <[log in to unmask]>:
It is well-known that people with chronic fatigue syndrome (PWCs) often test
positively for various viral infections. In the U.S., these commonly
include the herpes family viruses Epstein--Barr, cytomegalovirus and HHV-6A.
There are reports in the literature of Coxsackie B3 viral infections being
found in PWCs as well, but these reports appear to originate primarily from
the U.K. and from other European countries, not from North America. I have
been puzzling over this apparent difference for some years.
Recently I learned of the work of Prof. Harold D. Foster of the University
of Victoria in Canada (http://www.hdfoster.com). Among other things, Prof.
Foster has advanced a recommendation for the treatment of AIDS that is based
on supplementing selenium and three of the amino acids (tryptophan, cysteine
and glutamine). The basis for this treatment is his theory that the HIV
virus produces full-blown AIDS by depleting the body of these nutrients. In
his view, the virus does this by expressing the enzyme glutathione
peroxidase, which is encoded in its genome. This enzyme requires these
nutrients for its synthesis. I think this is a very promising approach to
the treatment of AIDS, as his initial testing has shown (Journal of
Orthomolecular Medicine 20(2), pp. 67-69 (2005)).
Prof. Foster notes, based on the work of E.W. Taylor (Journal of
Orthomolecular Medicine 12(4), pp. 227-239 (1997)) that not only the HIV
virus, but also several other viruses are known to encode for selenoproteins
in their genomes, and he suggests that these viruses may produce infections
by depleting their hosts of selenium, also. These viruses include Coxsackie
B3, Ebola Zaire, Molloscum contagiosum, and hepatitis C.
It is known that the intake of selenium by the populations of the U.K. and
other European countries has been dropping in recent years since the
formation of the European Union and the consequent greater proportion of the
wheat consumed in these countries coming from Europe rather than North
America. Wheat from Europe is known to be significantly lower in selenium
content than that from Canada and the U.S., because of differences in the
soil contents in these areas (Rayman, M.P., British Medical Journal 314, p.
387 (1997)).
Putting these propositions together, it occurs to me that perhaps the reason
for the occurrence of Coxsackie B3 infections in PWCs in the U.K. and other
European countries, but for the most part not in the PWCs in North America,
may be a result of greater selenium deficiency in the populations of the
former countries as a result of differences in food sources. Coxsackie B3
may be more prevalent in general in these populations because of the
generally lower levels of selenium in them.
This is not to say that selenium deficiencies are not also present in PWCs
in North America. In fact, it is known that mercury forms stable complexes
with selenium in the body, taking it out of bioavailability. When
glutathione depletion occurs, as it does in many PWCs, the body is not able
to rid itself of mercury with normal efficiency. PWCs who are exposed to
mercury from dental fillings, fish consumption, or nearby environmental
sources such as coal-fired power plants, therefore experience a buildup of
mercury in their bodies, and this can deplete the bioavailable selenium,
impacting not only the activity of the glutathione peroxidase enzymes, but
also those that convert the thyroid hormone T4 to the more active hormone
T3, as well as the other selenoenzymes.
Nevertheless, Coxsackie B3 appears to be much less prevalent among PWCs in
North America. Again, perhaps this is a result of a smaller general
prevalence of this virus in this population because of its generally higher
selenium levels.
As I noted in my poster paper at the most recent AACFS meeting last October
http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/rese...reatment/15.htm
the herpes family viruses that are found to be producing infections in PWCs
are highly prevalent in their latent state in the general U.S. population,
and they are reactivated at the onset of CFS. It appears, based on work at
the university of Rome which I cited in that paper (Palamara, A.T. et al.,
Antiviral Research 27, pp. 237-253 (1995)), that the reactivation of these
viruses in PWCs is a direct result of glutathione depletion.
I would appreciate receiving comments on these hypotheses.
Rich Van Konynenburg. Ph.D.
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Returning to the subject topic, Mercury,
CFS does not mean pregnant (LOL) but as far as we "could"
have depletion of glutathione, then, any slight risk for mercury
could be a big problem for PWC....
I understand "Cod liver" (or "fish oil" "Omega 3") are important
to cope with CFS. So, as a solution, how about to take the
glutathione.
Also, concerning about adding "selenium"?
(I am taking selenium as long as my original protocol was
Bill's one. I' ve just added L-glutathione for my "arranged
version".)
NOTE: Bill's one : Web page of Bill Patternson (GWS sufferer)
http://www.bphata.com/vitaminlist.htm
http://www.bphata.com/medprobs.htm
>Better would be fatty tuna belly though you would not
>have a good idea as to how much of the Omega 3 oils
>you would betaking.
Tuna is the wost one poluted by mercury and I personally
don't want to avoid it.... (Well, I admit that I take the
Sushi (tuna) some times. Because I take tuna in my
daily life more often than you, I am more sensitive about
mercury toxic.)
Sorry if this offensive to you. This does not mean.
I simply care about you.
Together with the article, my concerning grew...
I also clearly remember when I was invited by the party
of entomologists: they serve the grass hoppers. They
expected me to eat, so I ate (they counted down).
The taste was like "shrimp" so, I told them so.
One of them told me "Oh! Grass Hopper is MUCH
cleaner than shrimps!" (Because of the water pollution).
That was in Univ of Tsukuba, Japan in 1995.
The members there were all reliable and one of them who
told me the above was the one from the National Academy
in the US, professor at UW). Now is 2005 (10 years past)
and we now have the government warning. But we did not
have it in 1995. -- these are not boasting. This is serious
sharing for my strong concerning about mercerise. --
> Can you say sashimi and sushi I know you can and
>with a better accent than I. But since you are ill more
> likely you can no more afford it than I can.
Oh! Thank you very much for knowing sashimi and sushi!
Yes. I can pronounce it but, without rice, we don't care
fish/seafood for sashimi or sushi. as you pointed
out. LOL!
Bobbie. Thank you very much for your sharing, all the time!
>You are welcome and thank you for your continuing
>communications which make the group a lot more
>interesting.
Bobbie. Thank you to say so :-)
BUT! this must be wrong.
After all, sharing seems to be for myself. LOLOL
Big Hugs,
Rika
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